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Adrian Peterson, retired (6 Viewers)

maf005 said:
I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.
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Objectively, he pleaded guilty (or actually no-contest) to a charge of recklessly assaulting a minor. Objectively, he shoved leaves in a 4 year old's mouth and beat him with a stick into a bruised and bloody mess.

It's subjective to call that " chose(ing) to discipline his son".

 
Rockchild said:
I wonder what kind of glass cleaner some posters in this thread use on their houses?
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I'm not hating on him. I just think he could waste another year if he doesn't own up to his own part in this thing.

And I'm baffled that AP seems to not get how at least a chunk of this is on him.

And another angle: how about the angle where Minny's looking like a pretty good club? How about just playing ball for a coach who is known as one of the playeriest of player's coaches?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
maf005 said:
I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.
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Objectively, he pleaded guilty (or actually no-contest) to a charge of recklessly assaulting a minor. Objectively, he shoved leaves in a 4 year old's mouth and beat him with a stick into a bruised and bloody mess.

It's subjective to call that " chose(ing) to discipline his son".
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Objectively, you cannot abide by the thread title and there is nothing objective about your post. :rolleyes:

 
B-Deep said:
maf005 said:
I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.
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both sides need to be objective

being objective does not mean assuming everyone should forget anything peterson did, that's being pro-peterson

objectively the vikings did not lie

he is under contract

he is a 30 year old running back

he was convicted of reckless assault on a 4 year old

I'd also argue this is an objective fact:

he was a PR disaster for a period of time when this broke last season - because even if you think he did nothing wrong the simple fact that so many fans and sponsors did feel he did somethign wrong qualifies as a pr nightmare, even if anyone thinks that was unfair.

saying he was mistreated is not objective, that is subjective

saying he's a child beating ##### is not objective, that is subjective

the problem is when you look at facts it is bad for him

all he has is he feels like he was treated unfairly. He can feel that way, but we can feel he's unrealistic and has no legs to stand on and we can say it.
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:goodposting:

 
And he's a hypocrite at that. It's the NFL that turned their back on him, not the Vikings. Following his logic he should find another league entirely.

 
Pots said:
Dr. Octopus said:
maf005 said:
I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.
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Objectively, he pleaded guilty (or actually no-contest) to a charge of recklessly assaulting a minor. Objectively, he shoved leaves in a 4 year old's mouth and beat him with a stick into a bruised and bloody mess.

It's subjective to call that " chose(ing) to discipline his son".
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Objectively, you cannot abide by the thread title and there is nothing objective about your post. :rolleyes:
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You may want to look up the word "objective". Which part is not fact?

I was responding to a post that mentioned child rearing, so forgive me if I broke the "thread title rule".

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Pots said:
Dr. Octopus said:
maf005 said:
I realize that many forum members were extremely offended by how Peterson chose to discipline his son, and that's fine. But please try to be objective when discussing the current situation.

It's obvious who will never be able to discuss this situation without letting emotions factor in.
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Objectively, he pleaded guilty (or actually no-contest) to a charge of recklessly assaulting a minor. Objectively, he shoved leaves in a 4 year old's mouth and beat him with a stick into a bruised and bloody mess.

It's subjective to call that " chose(ing) to discipline his son".
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Objectively, you cannot abide by the thread title and there is nothing objective about your post. :rolleyes:
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You may want to look up the word "objective". Which part is not fact?

I was responding to a post that mentioned child rearing, so forgive me if I broke the "thread title rule".
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No, you were proving the poster's point.

 
There is a direct correlation between the "Peterson should shut up and play" crowd and the "Peterson is a child abuse monster" crowd.

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Dallas confirms the Cowboys aren't expected to trade for Adrian Peterson.
The Cowboys would need to make major cutbacks to afford Peterson, who has a $12.75 million salary. Dallas currently has just $2.25M in cap space. The Cowboys also don't want to give up a premium pick to acquire Peterson. ESPN's Todd Archer expects Dallas to draft DeMarco Murray's replacement in the top three rounds.

Related: Cowboys

Source: ESPN Dallas
Mar 28 - 2:28 PM
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Bracie Smathers said:
Donnybrook said:
There were rumors that Arizona was offering a 2nd round pick last week and it was interesting listening to the Viking fans on twitter. They were saying stuff like "No way. It's a 1st or no deal". I was one of the few that said that I would take the 2nd round pick instantly.

Now I am thinking that a 2nd round pick is becoming unrealistic and I am expecting that he will get traded for a 4th.
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Isn't it mind blowing that Trent Richardson was traded for a 1st round pick two years ago and we seriously are stating its unlikely that Adrian Peterson could be traded for a 2nd round pick?
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Which was roundly described as one of the worst trades in history, and has proved how bad it was pretty conclusively. Most teams wont DRAFT a rb in the 1st round these days, much less hand over the pick for a 30 year old with baggage and a monster contract.
 
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Rich wasn't expected to be as terrible as he was and the Colts got a young RB on a cheap contract. AD is 30 and expects to be one of the highest paid RBs.

 
Faust said:
Rotoworld:

ESPN Dallas confirms the Cowboys aren't expected to trade for Adrian Peterson.
The Cowboys would need to make major cutbacks to afford Peterson, who has a $12.75 million salary. Dallas currently has just $2.25M in cap space. The Cowboys also don't want to give up a premium pick to acquire Peterson. ESPN's Todd Archer expects Dallas to draft DeMarco Murray's replacement in the top three rounds.

Related: Cowboys

Source: ESPN Dallas
Mar 28 - 2:28 PM
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Like this is news. More breaking news from Todd Archer: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/049/237/CAPTAINOBVIOUS.png

 
Sabertooth said:
workdog3 said:
Sabertooth said:
And he's a hypocrite at that. It's the NFL that turned their back on him, not the Vikings. Following his logic he should find another league entirely.
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Is now the time to sell fellas?
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I hope you sold when I told you to. Now is not the time. I wouldn't sell low in him. Hold now.
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Your selective memory amuses me: https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/606621-adrian-petersontime-to-sell-fellas/?p=13457906

 
I really have no dog in this fight, either as a fan or a fantasy owner (or non-owner).

I think he should be removed from the exempt list and then serve a suspension, which is what players do when things happen and which is something he has yet to do, and then he should go play ball and if that is with the Vikings, he AND the team should be professional about it and give their best efforts and if it isn't with the Vikings, then ...the same. And it should end there. A LOT of people are never going to emotionally forgive him for what they perceive he did. And he is probably never going to forgive feeling slighted, regardless to what degree truth there is in it. So it goes.

I'm sure some people will say he's already been held out and will call that a suspension but, IN RELATION TO HIS PEERS, he has not because he was on the exempt list and , unlike his peers, he was paid as if he suited up. The only people that got gipped are fantasy owners that didn't get points. But while his peers who were suspended lost income, he did not, and so that part is still deserved in order to be fair to others. Yes, there is an argument that careers are short and he lost a year he can't get back but you can also say he got full pay for no work and that's good at any employer. We would all take that. And by doing that, the league may have extended his career, helped him avoid mileage, saved him injury, bolstered perception around the league that he is worth another contract when he is older.

 
Shutout said:
I really have no dog in this fight, either as a fan or a fantasy owner (or non-owner).

I think he should be removed from the exempt list and then serve a suspension, which is what players do when things happen and which is something he has yet to do, and then he should go play ball and if that is with the Vikings, he AND the team should be professional about it and give their best efforts and if it isn't with the Vikings, then ...the same. And it should end there. A LOT of people are never going to emotionally forgive him for what they perceive he did. And he is probably never going to forgive feeling slighted, regardless to what degree truth there is in it. So it goes.

I'm sure some people will say he's already been held out and will call that a suspension but, IN RELATION TO HIS PEERS, he has not because he was on the exempt list and , unlike his peers, he was paid as if he suited up. The only people that got gipped are fantasy owners that didn't get points. But while his peers who were suspended lost income, he did not, and so that part is still deserved in order to be fair to others. Yes, there is an argument that careers are short and he lost a year he can't get back but you can also say he got full pay for no work and that's good at any employer. We would all take that. And by doing that, the league may have extended his career, helped him avoid mileage, saved him injury, bolstered perception around the league that he is worth another contract when he is older.
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The NFL DID suspend Peterson without pay, and he missed the final 6 games of the regular season. He didn't get that suspension overturned until after the regular season was over. I'm sure he is/will get that money paid back to him, but the fact is the NFL did suspend him without pay.

 
Chaos Commish said:
Routilla said:
Romo restructures to save $13M. Anyone ready for Peterson in the back field?
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They cleared 12.8M. Peterson is due 12.75 this year. Romo said he would have restructured to keep Murray. Apparently they had other plans.
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The above is from the Cowboys offseason thread. -Pretty interesting...

 
What if Romo wrecks his back? I don't know what happens to all that guaranteed money in that situation. I would assume Dallas gets the money back if he is forced to retire.

 
Donnybrook said:
What if Romo wrecks his back? I don't know what happens to all that guaranteed money in that situation. I would assume Dallas gets the money back if he is forced to retire.
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guaranteed money is guaranteed

 
Donnybrook said:
What if Romo wrecks his back? I don't know what happens to all that guaranteed money in that situation. I would assume Dallas gets the money back if he is forced to retire.
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Teams can recover a pro-rated portion of the signing bonus. Not sure about restructure bonus - going to guess that is 'earned' money he wouldn't have to repay.

Assuming what I think about the restructure bonus is true (correct me if I'm wrong) then if Romo retired after the season he'd have to pay back $10M but the Cowboys would still have $21.9M dead money.

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
wtf are we even talking about?

there's no more guaranteed money --- why do I even listen to that dude?

all that dead money would be prorated bonuses accelerating

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/
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He would have to prove that he's too injured to play. Can't come in a say "Ow, my back hurts, I'm going to run off with the money you gave me, k thanks."

Borland retired and had to give back 3/4 of his signing bonus...Romo would have to give back $10M if he wasn't too injured to play and wanted to retire.

 
I had child rea when I was in school. That's why I never got recruited. Still don't like to talk about it. This thread makes me feel safe..

 
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cstu said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
wtf are we even talking about?

there's no more guaranteed money --- why do I even listen to that dude?

all that dead money would be prorated bonuses accelerating

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/
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He would have to prove that he's too injured to play. Can't come in a say "Ow, my back hurts, I'm going to run off with the money you gave me, k thanks."

Borland retired and had to give back 3/4 of his signing bonus...Romo would have to give back $10M if he wasn't too injured to play and wanted to retire.
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It's up to the team whether they want to go after bonus money or not. We can all understand SF wanting Borland's money back. With Romo his "bonus" money is really this year's salary being charged against the cap in future years. In those kinds of situations teams normally do not go after bonuses if a player doesn't play out the contract.
 
Dezbelief said:
cstu said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
wtf are we even talking about?

there's no more guaranteed money --- why do I even listen to that dude?

all that dead money would be prorated bonuses accelerating

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/
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He would have to prove that he's too injured to play. Can't come in a say "Ow, my back hurts, I'm going to run off with the money you gave me, k thanks."

Borland retired and had to give back 3/4 of his signing bonus...Romo would have to give back $10M if he wasn't too injured to play and wanted to retire.
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It's up to the team whether they want to go after bonus money or not. We can all understand SF wanting Borland's money back. With Romo his "bonus" money is really this year's salary being charged against the cap in future years. In those kinds of situations teams normally do not go after bonuses if a player doesn't play out the contract.
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That's his restructure bonus. However, he received a $25M signing bonus with $10M in pro-rated money left on it after the season. The Cowboys *could* get that back if they chose to.

 
cstu said:
Dezbelief said:
cstu said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
wtf are we even talking about?

there's no more guaranteed money --- why do I even listen to that dude?

all that dead money would be prorated bonuses accelerating

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/
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He would have to prove that he's too injured to play. Can't come in a say "Ow, my back hurts, I'm going to run off with the money you gave me, k thanks."

Borland retired and had to give back 3/4 of his signing bonus...Romo would have to give back $10M if he wasn't too injured to play and wanted to retire.
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It's up to the team whether they want to go after bonus money or not. We can all understand SF wanting Borland's money back. With Romo his "bonus" money is really this year's salary being charged against the cap in future years. In those kinds of situations teams normally do not go after bonuses if a player doesn't play out the contract.
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That's his restructure bonus. However, he received a $25M signing bonus with $10M in pro-rated money left on it after the season. The Cowboys *could* get that back if they chose to.
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gotcha
 
Bankerguy said:
Faust said:
Cowboys restructure Tony Romo's deal; could it pave way for Adrian Peterson?
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The media is so lazy and loves jumping to ill formed conclusions.

-Cowboys have 2M in space

-Need that for draft picks alone

-McClain signed for 3m

-Hardy will receive per game roster bonuses that are huge
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Agree completely.....don't believe this has anything to do with ADP. Of course, it is still Jerry's team, so despite recent prudent Cowboy moves you never know...

 
cstu said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
wtf are we even talking about?

there's no more guaranteed money --- why do I even listen to that dude?

all that dead money would be prorated bonuses accelerating

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/
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He would have to prove that he's too injured to play. Can't come in a say "Ow, my back hurts, I'm going to run off with the money you gave me, k thanks."

Borland retired and had to give back 3/4 of his signing bonus...Romo would have to give back $10M if he wasn't too injured to play and wanted to retire.
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then that's not exactly having a ####### wrecked back, is it?

did you see the ####### part in that voluminous 2 ####### line post about him wrecking his ####### back?

 
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