Adrian Peterson, retired (3 Viewers)

[tombonneau]

I'd think the fumbles are more concerning than his whipping his kids scrotum.  

This 1,000%.

If Belichick had needed a QB, he would have signed Vick the day he was paroled. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Be ashamed of this response. If your mother shoved me in the grocery store, should I break her face? Self defense is self defense. Am I right ladies?

How this is a thought of as a rational action in a mans eyes is confusing. Comparing hitting a woman who shoved you to a murder in self defense? 

Mixons actions are reprehensible, seems some are justifying it for their fantasy purposes. Regarding Peterson, the Patriots fake morals stance is embarrassing in itself too. The way they feel about Mixon and Peterson while they employ others is the hypocrisy we have come to love from them.

If a woman attacks you I would hope you would defend yourself with whatever force you deemed necessary to end the assault, no matter where the assault occurs: grocery store, your home, after bar close at a restaurant. Mixon used more force than he needed to. He approached it as if he was being attacked by a man of equal stature. Not defending his actions. Never did in any of the threads discussing the event. They had a verbal altercation. She made it physical. He ended it, albeit over the top, but she took it there to begin with. Talk radio here was discussing this a while ago and wanted to hear from women only. Every single woman that called in said she was an idiot for taking it physical when she was over-matched. Just because you have a ###### does not mean you can do whatever you want with no consequences. She learned the hard way. 

 

[Mavis]

If a woman attacks you I would hope you would defend yourself with whatever force you deemed necessary to end the assault, no matter where the assault occurs: grocery store, your home, after bar close at a restaurant. Mixon used more force than he needed to. He approached it as if he was being attacked by a man of equal stature. Not defending his actions. Never did in any of the threads discussing the event. They had a verbal altercation. She made it physical. He ended it, albeit over the top, but she took it there to begin with. Talk radio here was discussing this a while ago and wanted to hear from women only. Every single woman that called in said she was an idiot for taking it physical when she was over-matched. Just because you have a ###### does not mean you can do whatever you want with no consequences. She learned the hard way. 

Thanks for making the point. He approached it like he was being attacked by a man? He approached the woman willfully and there is no excuse for it. Self defense? 

I'm starting to forget this is the Peterson thread. 

 

[Saboo]

Not sure ADP would be any different than what Blount brought to the table, except older, more expensive, more frequently injured, and with a lot more wear and tear.

I agree...With all the talk of AP’s off the field issues, an equally big question is can Adrian Peterson still play? He’s 32 years old with bad knees and brings all kinds of bad baggage to the table...I’d rather have Blount.

 

[Faust]

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports free agent Adrian Peterson will visit the Saints.
The visit will take place next week. Thus far, Peterson has visited the Seahawks and Patriots. The Seahawks aren't an option with Eddie Lacy in tow, while Peterson's New England visit was reported to be a sham, as in mostly a favor for AD's agent. Peterson would be a redundant talent to Mark Ingram in New Orleans, though Ingram's relationship with coach Sean Payton hasn't always been the best. Nevertheless, it's hard to see Peterson to New Orleans happening.

Related: Saints
 
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 
Apr 6 - 2:59 PM

 

[JohnnyU]

I doubt visiting the Saints will amount to anything. 

 

[matttyl]

Considering he was in New England last week and lives in Texas (right?), maybe he's just passing through the New Orleans area on his way back home?

-Semi-concerned Ingram owner

 

[The Kerminator]

Hoping the Saints sign him and trade Ingram to a team that will use him

-Semi-concerned Ingram owner

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This would be pretty cool at the right price and in the right role.... but yeah seems unlikely.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The Saints do need another RB with Hightower now in San Francisco.  Plus, Ingram is never healthy for 16 games.  Doubt AP would be cool with 10 carries a game 

 

[dmac37]

The Saints do need another RB with Hightower now in San Francisco.  Plus, Ingram is never healthy for 16 games.  Doubt AP would be cool with 10 carries a game 

Just does not seem to be a great fit from either side but at this rate some teams may be starting to think we can get him at a bargain if nobody else plans on signing him.

 

[Faust]

Adrian Peterson leaves Saints visit without contract

 

[matttyl]

Hoping the Saints sign him and trade Ingram to a team that will use him

-Semi-concerned Ingram owner

While as an Ingram owner as well, I'd love it - but who's trading anything for a 27 year old RB with injury history who's only on contract for 2 more years (one of which is voidable) for $3.5m and then $4.5m.  Especially with this incoming rookie class of RBs?

 

[Tool]

While as an Ingram owner as well, I'd love it - but who's trading anything for a 27 year old RB with injury history who's only on contract for 2 more years (one of which is voidable) for $3.5m and then $4.5m.  Especially with this incoming rookie class of RBs?

Ingram's only 27? Seems like he's been in the league forever

 

[Anarchy99]

While as an Ingram owner as well, I'd love it - but who's trading anything for a 27 year old RB with injury history who's only on contract for 2 more years (one of which is voidable) for $3.5m and then $4.5m.  Especially with this incoming rookie class of RBs?

I know the scuttlebutt is that this is a deep draft for RB's . . . to which I openly wonder if that's really the case. Going back to the 2000 draft, here are all the drafted RB's that posted a Career AV of 50 or more (there may be some undrafted guys that aren't included).

2000 Lewis, Alexander, TJones,
2001 LT, McAllister
2002 Portis, Westbrook
2003 McGahee, LJohnson
2004 SJackson, Turner
2005 Gore, Sproles
2006 MJD, Bush, DWilliams, Addai
2007 ADP, Lynch
2008 Forte, CJohnson, Rice, Charles
2009 McCoy (Moreno 33, RJennings 31, DBrown 25)
2010 None (RMathews 43, Spiller 34, Starks 27)
2011 Murray (Ingram 34, Ridley 24, Vereen 23)
2012 None (DMartin 33, LMiller 30, AMorris 30)
2013 None (Bell 43, Lacy 34, Bernard 29)
2014 None (Freeman 29, Hill 20, JWhite 13)
2015 None (DJohnson 24, Gordon 15, Gurley 12)
2016 None (Elliott 16, Howard 9, Booker 5)

Bottom line, over the past 15 years, I would say the hit rate for decent RBs has averaged about 2-3 per season. It didn't really seem to matter what year it was and whether the draft was considered strong or week. The 2005 draft had 3 running backs selected in the Top 5 . . . and they all bombed for the most part.Gore was the 6th back taken that year and Sproles went 15th.

That being said, are we expecting this year's incoming class of running backs to produce any differently? The league has morphed into a passing league . . . should we think that the rookies will stem the tide?

 

[Mingooch]

Ingram's only 27? Seems like he's been in the league forever

I think he came into the league at 20 or 21

 

[squistion]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 36m36 minutes ago

Barring a dramatic shift, Adrian Peterson is not expected to have a deal with prior to the draft.

Teams involved will continue to monitor.

 

[simsarge]

There's always a team that has a guy get hurt preseason or early regular season. I'm sure AP (and Charles, etc) know this. Now's the time to test the waters, collect the frequent flyer miles, do the interviews, do couple pushups in his Brooks Brothers in the owners office. That way when the time comes all that preliminary mish-mosh is done. All he has to do is stop at Modells for a new pair of the right colored cleats for his new team and he's ready to hit the field.

No mandatory mini camps, no mandatory two-a-days in Training Camp in August

 

[Anarchy99]

Two a days were eliminated in 2011. But the rest is still valid. Guys can take it easy instead of killing themselves. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Two a days were eliminated in 2011. But the rest is still valid. Guys can take it easy instead of killing themselves. 

2011???? Christ, time flies

 

[Biabreakable]

Two a days were eliminated in 2011. But the rest is still valid. Guys can take it easy instead of killing themselves. 

2011 is also the last time Peterson has played in preseason.

Not that I would be concerned at all about his conditioning.

 

[TheFanatic]

Any way, the Patriots still want Blount, have made him a contract offer, and are playing the negotiating game. I don't see more than a 1% chance they have even a remote interest in signing Peterson. They've been playing clips from when the Peterson story broke on the radio today, and the Krafts position was that what ADP did was pretty much inexcusable. 

Not sure what the end game was for having Peterson in for a visit, but it wasn't to sign him. By local accounts, he was not offered a contract and it doesn't even sound like the two sides talked much about money. 

I think there is more to this than making the agent happy. I think this is also a ploy to get Blount to sign for the cheap before the draft. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Report: AP Willing to Accept $5m or Less for ‘Right Situation’… Are the Vikes that Situation?

I do not believe so.

 

[travdogg]

Report: AP Willing to Accept $5m or Less for ‘Right Situation’… Are the Vikes that Situation?

I do not believe so.

Honestly, instead of screwing around with Marshawn Lynch, the Raiders should be looking to sign Peterson. AP hasn't had an o-line as good as Oakland's is since 2009, if ever. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Honestly, instead of screwing around with Marshawn Lynch, the Raiders should be looking to sign Peterson. AP hasn't had an o-line as good as Oakland's is since 2009, if ever. 

It is my understanding that Oaklands offensive line is very good at pass protection, but perhaps not as good at run blocking compared to some other offensive lines last season.

It sounds like Peterson had reduced his asking price now. I don't see teams making a decision about him until post NFL draft. 

 

[travdogg]

It is my understanding that Oaklands offensive line is very good at pass protection, but perhaps not as good at run blocking compared to some other offensive lines last season.

It sounds like Peterson had reduced his asking price now. I don't see teams making a decision about him until post NFL draft. 

Well 2 of Oakland's top-3 RBs averaged over 5 YPC last season, and neither of those guys are particularly highly thought of. Murray had a good career average for them, and they seemingly didn't want him back at any price, I recall him saying they didn't even offer him a contract to stay. 

I agree its likely too late in the process for Peterson to get signed before the draft, but I hope he ends up somewhere. Its crazy to me that the guy won the rushing title in 2015, and by 2017 is having trouble getting a job. 

 

[zeeshan2]

Closing in on an deal with the saints per Rapoport 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Closing in on an deal with the saints per Rapoport 

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports the Saints are "closing in" on a deal with free agent Adrian Peterson.

Per Rapsheet, the deal would pay Peterson $3 million "plus." It's a very strange fit on paper, but coach Sean Payton has had friction with Mark Ingram. Peterson and Ingram are redundant talents, though Ingram has become much more of a pass catcher in recent years. Peterson is a zero in the passing game, but a better goal-line finisher than Ingram. The situation would make for fantasy headaches, and an always-tedious backfield even harder to figure.

 

 

[voiceofunreason]

Strange move except it's the saints so standard.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

A team that continues to place a premium on a position that they don't actually utilize well on the field...its like Payton and the FO are perpetually not on the same page. 

And by utilize well, I mean compared to the resources put into the individual players. I get that the Saints consistently have some of the most productive RB corps year after year, as a group...but they are spending their resources unwisely if they want to run such a ####show RBBC.

 

[dmac37]

Not where I was wanting him to land, hoping to get 1-2 more years of decent production out of AD. Unless the unlikely scenario of moving Ingram and drafting a young RB happens, not a great landing spot.

Maybe this was floated out there in hopes another team jumps in??? 

 

[Biabreakable]

Not where I was wanting him to land, hoping to get 1-2 more years of decent production out of AD. Unless the unlikely scenario of moving Ingram and drafting a young RB happens, not a great landing spot.

Maybe this was floated out there in hopes another team jumps in??? 

Always possible. Especially in silly season.

 

[dmac37]

Now that it is official, not looking too good for those of us that were hoping to squeeze a few more years of RB1 or RB2 production out of AD. Seems odd that the Saints do not like/trust Ingram, maybe they will try and move Ingram............

 

[mphtrilogy]

bizarre move

 

[Ack88]

So- knowing what we know right now, where do you see ADP?

Thinking he's a back end RB2, probably right outside the top 20.

 

[Miro Z]

If he had waited until after the draft I think the Giants would have signed him and he would have been the starter.

 

[Miro Z]

So- knowing what we know right now, where do you see ADP?

Thinking he's a back end RB2, probably right outside the top 20.

It's not the best place for him to end up but it's not the worst either. Even a considerably inferior player like Hightower had some pretty good outings in the last couple of years. I wouldn't say he was a RB1/2 but he's a nice flex, RB3 or bye-week starter.

 

[Warhogs]

So- knowing what we know right now, where do you see ADP?

Thinking he's a back end RB2, probably right outside the top 20.

It might depend on if you are talking PPR or no PPR.  In no PPR I could see him at around RB15 with a potential high upside.  He drops down in PPR.  The tougher question to answer is what sort of dynasty value do you put on him because he could be productive but for how long?

 

[Miro Z]

It might depend on if you are talking PPR or no PPR.  In no PPR I could see him at around RB15 with a potential high upside.  He drops down in PPR.  The tougher question to answer is what sort of dynasty value do you put on him because he could be productive but for how long?

Not longer than a year or two.

 

[Doug B]

So ... everyone outside of New Orleans is pretty certain AP just grabs the starting job from a lesser Ingram? Like it's nothing? I don't think Sean Payton is just making a poor pass-protecting AP the 3-down, 20+ carry-per-game starting RB.

 

[Anarchy99]

It might depend on if you are talking PPR or no PPR.  In no PPR I could see him at around RB15 with a potential high upside.  He drops down in PPR.  The tougher question to answer is what sort of dynasty value do you put on him because he could be productive but for how long?

I think there is some wishful thinking in this projection. At this stage, Ingram is better, younger, and a dual threat. The Saints pass more than any other team in the league and ADP doesn't pass protect or catch many passes. He mostly will take on Hightower's role and average 10 carries a game with limited TD potential. His value would go up in games Ingram didn't play, but a RB getting 40-50 yards rushing without any passing usage to speak of and not much opportunity to score is not going to end up as a RB15 with potential high upside.

Put another way, Ingram ranked RB 10, 15, and 15 the past three seasons in 0 ppr leagues. To accomplish that, he posted seasons of 1362/10, 1174/6, 1109/9. As a basis for comparison, Hightower put up 748/5 and ranked as RB 33 last year. I don't see Peterson approaching 1,000 yards and 8-10 TD. ADP is looking like a RB3 / flex this year and a decent RB2 if Ingram were to be out any given week. I think his name will make people think he will do better than his age, talent, and situation indicates.

 

[Miro Z]

So ... everyone outside of New Orleans is pretty certain AP just grabs the starting job from a lesser Ingram? Like it's nothing? I don't think Sean Payton is just making a poor pass-protecting AP the 3-down, 20+ carry-per-game starting RB.

No, he's clearly the #2 RB behind Ingram. But that position has had fantasy value in recent years.

 

[travdogg]

I think there is some wishful thinking in this projection. At this stage, Ingram is better, younger, and a dual threat. The Saints pass more than any other team in the league and ADP doesn't pass protect or catch many passes. He mostly will take on the Hightower's role and average 10 carries a game with limited TD potential. His value would go up in games Ingram didn't play, but a RB getting 40-50 yards rushing without any passing usage to speak of and not much opportunity to score is not going to end up as a RB15 with potential high upside.

Put another way, Ingram ranked RB 10, 15, and 15 the past three seasons in 0 ppr leagues. To accomplish that, he posted seasons of 1362/10, 1174/6, 1109/9. As a basis for comparison, Hightower put up 748/5 and ranked as RB 33 last year. I don't see Peterson approaching 1,000 yards and 8-10 TD. ADP is looking like a RB3 / flex this year and a decent RB2 if Ingram were to be out any given week. I think his name will make people think he will do better than his age, talent, and situation indicates.

Last year was also the only time Ingram ever played 16 games. Peterson at the very least is a big upgrade from Hightower. I think its entirely possible that Peterson becomes the GL back. 8-10 TD's is absolutely on the table, 1,000 yards isn't likely, but not impossible given Ingram's durability. 700-5 feels like a reasonable floor for Peterson. As is RB3 stats. 

Let's remember too, that Peterson has seen nothing but 8-man fronts for 90% of his career, he'll never see one again in New Orleans. His YPC is likely to be better than 4.5 just having an actual passing threat, and his % of hitting big plays should increase as well. 

Ingram should still hold the job, like you said he's a superior dual threat, but I'd argue Peterson is probably still a better runner. Hightower had 155 carries last year, Peterson should get more work than him, and be more effective with it. 

I think a fair estimate is Ingram in the 15-20 range and Peterson in the 25-30 range. Its also possible the Saints run more with Cooks gone.

 

[Warhogs]

So ... everyone outside of New Orleans is pretty certain AP just grabs the starting job from a lesser Ingram? Like it's nothing? I don't think Sean Payton is just making a poor pass-protecting AP the 3-down, 20+ carry-per-game starting RB.

That seems to be a bit of an overstatement.  I don't see people claiming AP is going to get 16*20=320 carries.  I think AP could be around 200 carries if he is healthy for 16 games and if he gets carries near the goal line double digit TD are possible in that offense.  Now, at his age and with the injury history AP could certainly fall off a cliff or get hurt again but he has always been a rare physical beast and with the way Ingram has always been used I wouldn't be at all surprised if AP lead that team in carries.

 

[Hankmoody]

So ... everyone outside of New Orleans is pretty certain AP just grabs the starting job from a lesser Ingram? Like it's nothing? I don't think Sean Payton is just making a poor pass-protecting AP the 3-down, 20+ carry-per-game starting RB.

Where in the world are you getting that from?

 

[Warhogs]

Note that only 2 RB averaged over 20 attempts per game in 2016.

Leveon Bell 21.75

Ezekiel Elliott 21.47

How the heck anyone got the everyone outside of New Orleans thinks AP will get 20+ carries per game though is baffling?

 

[TheFanatic]

Having a legit passing attack could lead to ADP having a field day against light fronts. If he can stay healthy and get 12-15 carries a game plus the goal line work, that could put him in line for some sick numbers IF HE CAN STAY HEALTHY. That last point is very problematic for me. 

 

[Faust]

Adrian Peterson to sign a two-year contract with the Saints: Four things to know

 

[branch0095]

I'm not an Ingram fan and have never been too interested in investing in the NO backfield,  but between he and AP, I'd say Ingram is now the "buy" here. 

 

[Anarchy99]

Last year was also the only time Ingram ever played 16 games. Peterson at the very least is a big upgrade from Hightower. I think its entirely possible that Peterson becomes the GL back. 8-10 TD's is absolutely on the table, 1,000 yards isn't likely, but not impossible given Ingram's durability. 700-5 feels like a reasonable floor for Peterson. As is RB3 stats. 

Let's remember too, that Peterson has seen nothing but 8-man fronts for 90% of his career, he'll never see one again in New Orleans. His YPC is likely to be better than 4.5 just having an actual passing threat, and his % of hitting big plays should increase as well. 

Ingram should still hold the job, like you said he's a superior dual threat, but I'd argue Peterson is probably still a better runner. Hightower had 155 carries last year, Peterson should get more work than him, and be more effective with it. 

I think a fair estimate is Ingram in the 15-20 range and Peterson in the 25-30 range. Its also possible the Saints run more with Cooks gone.

We'll have to wait and see. But Peterson has been effective working out of the I formation with a full back as a lead blocker. If the Saints line up like that, it's most likely a running play, and the Saints will lose any advantage of having a rush/pass on any given play. Peterson hasn't been anywhere near as effective working out of the shotgun. If the Saints expect him to consistently pick up blitzers in a shotgun formation, Brees is going to be leaving on a stretcher.

We also don't know what a 32 year old RB with multiple knee surgeries and 2,800 career touches has left in the tank (regular and post season combined). I doubt the Saints will take touches away from Ingram, so Peterson will get the leftovers (or a bigger workload if Ingram is out). Ingram has missed 7 games in 3 years, which isn't excessive. Sure, he could get hurt early with a serious injury, but so could the lead back on any other team.

In ADP's last 9 games played (end of 2015 and 2016), he accounted for 438 rushing yards on 150 carries. That's a 2.88 ypc average. Sure, some of that is probably injury related or poor QB play, but that still should be a bit of a red flag.

As for the assertion that "his YPC is likely to be better than 4.5," there have been 4 (FOUR) running backs in their age 32 season that have had 100 carries and averaged 4.5 ypc, so that might be a bit of a reach. The Saints have averaged 13.7 rushing TD by RB in the 11 years with Brees at QB, so 8-10 TD for ADP is probably a reach.

Factor in that the Saints defense has ranked in the Bottom 5 in points allowed 4 times in the past 5 years, and it is more probable than not the Saints will continue to air it out and have to air it out.

Add everything together, and IMO there is more to indicate Peterson will not be putting up big numbers in New Orleans, but maybe that's just how I see things and am missing the upside.