Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (1 Viewer)

[SIDA!]

At the end of the day, I am not standing up for Peterson. I think he crossed the line. But, I don't think the line he crossed is the same as punching your wife in the face. Some people say, but it is a child, it is worse. I don't think that that is the case and I respect the opinion of those who disagree.

I think there are a lot of people who share your opinion. But I'd ask the following:

1) Have you seen the photos of the injury?

2) Do you realize that those were taken a full week after the incident? If they look that bad at that point, imagine how bad it looked before a week's worth of healing.

3) Did you know that the photos don't depict the worst of the injuries, namely the laceration on the front of the four-year-olds thigh, and the injury to his genitalia?

4) Did you know that this wasn't a couple strikes, but many of them? AP himself estimates 10-15, but says he didn't keep count.

5) Did you know that the boy's body still bore marks from prior physical punishment?

6) Have you imagined what a video of this "punishment" would look like? A father stripping down his four-year-old and lashing him 10, 15 or more times, causing lacerations and drawing blood, bruises across the back and cuts on his butt, legs, hands and genitals, so bad that the welts and scabs would still be visible a week later. I've imagined what that video would look like, and I'd be willing to bet it is absolutely horrifying.

Is it worse than punching your wife? I don't know, both things are pretty darn heinous.

And this is all the undisputed stuff. It doesn't even take into account the boy's statement that AP threatened to hit him in the face, stuffed leaves in his mouth, "has lots of belts" and has a "whooping room." Even if you don't consider that stuff, it still seems pretty horrible, and at least in the same neighborhood as punching an adult female.

BB

I want to be delicate with my words lest the lynch mob come after me. Let me first reiterate, if I haven't already made it clear, I don't find what he did to be acceptable behavior. And I do think it needs to be condemned.

I have seen the pictures and am aware of just about everything you noted in the numbered list. I am a little fuzzy on the marks from prior punishment and don't know all the details on that. I am also not in the loop as to what sort of relationship he has with his ex, why she hasn't reported this stuff in the past, why she waited a week to have pictures taken, or if she is bitterly feeding info to her kid to get him to say things that will make AP look even worse. There is a lot of stuff I have questions and concerns about.

I am sure the video would be horrific.

I am a little hesitant to put myself out there because of the collective holier than thou self-righteousness that manifests itself from time to time on these boards, but I know that when I look back on some of the spankings I doled out and play it in my mind's eye, I cringe. There were a couple of times when my boy was fighting me, twisting and turning, trying to block the belt that I ended up getting him in the lower back, on the side of his hip and in one particular hand strike I thought I might have broke a finger because he slipped his wrist out from my left hand right as my right hand was coming down. This is with my college age son who I was much harder on. FWIW, we have a great relationship.

With my younger son who is a pre-teen, I have probably spanked him about a half dozen times (if that) and never with a belt or another object. Going through the growing pains of being a young father to my first child, I was sort of learning on the job. And I had an internal regulator that allowed me to see/feel when I had gone too far.

One of the scary things about the AP situation is not the corporal punishment of his child, it is the degree to which he went and apparent inability to recognize that he went too far...save for his expressing some remorse for accidentally getting his little guy in the genitals.

 

[Premier]

Would the Vikings really do this without running it past Rog first?

 

[Sammy3469]

Would the Vikings really do this without running it past Rog first?

Pretty sure Roger hasn't seen the video, so I'm guessing he's in the dark on this.

 

[jonessed]

Would the Vikings really do this without running it past Rog first?

No.

 

[otello]

Would the Vikings really do this without running it past Rog first?

no way.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Has anyone here posted Peterson's religious statement on this? I don't want to get attacked for doing so if somebody already has...

you are such a baby. No one attacked you about that.

 

[jonessed]

Has anyone here posted Peterson's religious statement on this? I don't want to get attacked for doing so if somebody already has...

There's always the option of reading what other people write.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Has anyone here posted Peterson's religious statement on this? I don't want to get attacked for doing so if somebody already has...

There's always the option of reading what other people write.

 

[trogg78]

Has anyone here posted Peterson's religious statement on this? I don't want to get attacked for doing so if somebody already has...

He learned everything about parenting from the bible and Pontius Pilate.

 

[bigbottom]

At the end of the day, I am not standing up for Peterson. I think he crossed the line. But, I don't think the line he crossed is the same as punching your wife in the face. Some people say, but it is a child, it is worse. I don't think that that is the case and I respect the opinion of those who disagree.

I think there are a lot of people who share your opinion. But I'd ask the following:

1) Have you seen the photos of the injury?

2) Do you realize that those were taken a full week after the incident? If they look that bad at that point, imagine how bad it looked before a week's worth of healing.

3) Did you know that the photos don't depict the worst of the injuries, namely the laceration on the front of the four-year-olds thigh, and the injury to his genitalia?

4) Did you know that this wasn't a couple strikes, but many of them? AP himself estimates 10-15, but says he didn't keep count.

5) Did you know that the boy's body still bore marks from prior physical punishment?

6) Have you imagined what a video of this "punishment" would look like? A father stripping down his four-year-old and lashing him 10, 15 or more times, causing lacerations and drawing blood, bruises across the back and cuts on his butt, legs, hands and genitals, so bad that the welts and scabs would still be visible a week later. I've imagined what that video would look like, and I'd be willing to bet it is absolutely horrifying.

Is it worse than punching your wife? I don't know, both things are pretty darn heinous.

And this is all the undisputed stuff. It doesn't even take into account the boy's statement that AP threatened to hit him in the face, stuffed leaves in his mouth, "has lots of belts" and has a "whooping room." Even if you don't consider that stuff, it still seems pretty horrible, and at least in the same neighborhood as punching an adult female.

BB

I want to be delicate with my words lest the lynch mob come after me. Let me first reiterate, if I haven't already made it clear, I don't find what he did to be acceptable behavior. And I do think it needs to be condemned.

I have seen the pictures and am aware of just about everything you noted in the numbered list. I am a little fuzzy on the marks from prior punishment and don't know all the details on that. I am also not in the loop as to what sort of relationship he has with his ex, why she hasn't reported this stuff in the past, why she waited a week to have pictures taken, or if she is bitterly feeding info to her kid to get him to say things that will make AP look even worse. There is a lot of stuff I have questions and concerns about.

I am sure the video would be horrific.

I am a little hesitant to put myself out there because of the collective holier than thou self-righteousness that manifests itself from time to time on these boards, but I know that when I look back on some of the spankings I doled out and play it in my mind's eye, I cringe. There were a couple of times when my boy was fighting me, twisting and turning, trying to block the belt that I ended up getting him in the lower back, on the side of his hip and in one particular hand strike I thought I might have broke a finger because he slipped his wrist out from my left hand right as my right hand was coming down. This is with my college age son who I was much harder on. FWIW, we have a great relationship.

With my younger son who is a pre-teen, I have probably spanked him about a half dozen times (if that) and never with a belt or another object. Going through the growing pains of being a young father to my first child, I was sort of learning on the job. And I had an internal regulator that allowed me to see/feel when I had gone too far.

One of the scary things about the AP situation is not the corporal punishment of his child, it is the degree to which he went and apparent inability to recognize that he went too far...save for his expressing some remorse for accidentally getting his little guy in the genitals.

Based on the interview I heard this morning from the guy who broke the story (and has seen the photos and texts and listened to the entire 40 minute law investigatory interview with AP), here is what he had to say regarding your questions in bold. During a physical examination, marks from a prior punishment were visible, one of which was a loop mark. This is what led investigators to ask AP if he hit his child with an extension cord (doubled up to create a loop at the end). AP said he did not, that he had been hit with an extension cord as a child and he knows how much it hurts. As for the relationship with the ex, all indications are that it's pretty amicable (the texts appear to support this). This does not appear (at least at this point) to be a situation where a spurned ex is seeking revenge. As for the photos being taken a week after the fact, this apparently is because the kid had a doctor's appointment previously scheduled for some time after he returned home to his mom. It was during this appointment that the doctor saw the injuries and reported the incident.

 

[timschochet]

Well, if somebody already posted it, oh well. Peterson tweeted a photograph yesterday, of the following Bible verses (I have bolded the part he highlighted:

Come to me and rest. Give your mind a break from it's habitual judging. You form judgments about this situation, that situation, this person, that person, yourself, even the weather- as if judging were your main function in life. But I created you first and foremost to KNOW ME and to live in rich communication with Me. When you become preoccupied with passing judgment, you usurp My role.

Relate to me as creature to Creator, sheep to Shepherd, subject to King, clay to Potter. Allow Me to have My way in your life. Rather than evaluating My ways with you, accept them thankfully. The intimacy I offer you is not an invitation to act as if you were My equal. Worship me as KING OF KINGS while walking hand in hand with Me on the path of Life.

Matthew 7:1, John 17.3, Romans 9:20-21, Timothy 6:15

 

[Sinn Fein]

Boy what a dilemma for Goodell to be in this time. If he moves to suspend Peterson, people will say that he only did it to try to restore his image after Rice. If he lets the Vikings reinstate Peterson without comment, people will say he's weak. And let's not forget that Goodell suspended Big Ben prior to Ben being charged with a crime (and as it turns out, he never was.)

Goodell needs to stop suspending players before the legal process is finished. Teams are welcome to do whatever they want but the league should stay out of it until someone is found guilty.

Why not? The NFL is not a court of law. If public opinion is outraged by what they perceive to have been Peterson's behavior, why shouldn't the NFL step in?

What have they collectively bargained for?

 

[timschochet]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

Peterson admitted he beat his son.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Well, if somebody already posted it, oh well. Peterson tweeted a photograph yesterday, of the following Bible verses (I have bolded the part he highlighted:

Come to me and rest. Give your mind a break from it's habitual judging. You form judgments about this situation, that situation, this person, that person, yourself, even the weather- as if judging were your main function in life. But I created you first and foremost to KNOW ME and to live in rich communication with Me. When you become preoccupied with passing judgment, you usurp My role.

Relate to me as creature to Creator, sheep to Shepherd, subject to King, clay to Potter. Allow Me to have My way in your life. Rather than evaluating My ways with you, accept them thankfully. The intimacy I offer you is not an invitation to act as if you were My equal. Worship me as KING OF KINGS while walking hand in hand with Me on the path of Life.

Matthew 7:1, John 17.3, Romans 9:20-21, Timothy 6:15

 

[StrikeS2k]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

Peterson admitted he beat his son.

Link? And I specifically want to see him say he "beat" his son. AFAIK he has admitted to disciplining him. The worst word I've heard him use is "whoop" which, while not a great word, has a specific connotation that is not anything like beating.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

Peterson admitted he beat his son.

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sometimes actions need to be judged. Beating a child is one of those types of actions.

 

[bigbottom]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

Peterson admitted he beat his son.

I think his words were that he gave his son a whooping.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

AP has admitted to the act and there are photos, a doctors opinion, the child statements etc. if Goodell does not suspend him I would be both shocked and disappointed.

 

[timschochet]

That's fine. I don't care. Then change my statement by Goodell to read, "he admitted to disciplining his child." Because of those photos, I would still suspend him indefinitely.

 

[Disco Stu]

At the end of the day, I am not standing up for Peterson. I think he crossed the line. But, I don't think the line he crossed is the same as punching your wife in the face. Some people say, but it is a child, it is worse. I don't think that that is the case and I respect the opinion of those who disagree.

I think there are a lot of people who share your opinion. But I'd ask the following:

1) Have you seen the photos of the injury?

2) Do you realize that those were taken a full week after the incident? If they look that bad at that point, imagine how bad it looked before a week's worth of healing.

3) Did you know that the photos don't depict the worst of the injuries, namely the laceration on the front of the four-year-olds thigh, and the injury to his genitalia?

4) Did you know that this wasn't a couple strikes, but many of them? AP himself estimates 10-15, but says he didn't keep count.

5) Did you know that the boy's body still bore marks from prior physical punishment?

6) Have you imagined what a video of this "punishment" would look like? A father stripping down his four-year-old and lashing him 10, 15 or more times, causing lacerations and drawing blood, bruises across the back and cuts on his butt, legs, hands and genitals, so bad that the welts and scabs would still be visible a week later. I've imagined what that video would look like, and I'd be willing to bet it is absolutely horrifying.

Is it worse than punching your wife? I don't know, both things are pretty darn heinous.

And this is all the undisputed stuff. It doesn't even take into account the boy's statement that AP threatened to hit him in the face, stuffed leaves in his mouth, "has lots of belts" and has a "whooping room." Even if you don't consider that stuff, it still seems pretty horrible, and at least in the same neighborhood as punching an adult female.

BB

I want to be delicate with my words lest the lynch mob come after me. Let me first reiterate, if I haven't already made it clear, I don't find what he did to be acceptable behavior. And I do think it needs to be condemned.

I have seen the pictures and am aware of just about everything you noted in the numbered list. I am a little fuzzy on the marks from prior punishment and don't know all the details on that. I am also not in the loop as to what sort of relationship he has with his ex, why she hasn't reported this stuff in the past, why she waited a week to have pictures taken, or if she is bitterly feeding info to her kid to get him to say things that will make AP look even worse. There is a lot of stuff I have questions and concerns about.

I am sure the video would be horrific.

I am a little hesitant to put myself out there because of the collective holier than thou self-righteousness that manifests itself from time to time on these boards, but I know that when I look back on some of the spankings I doled out and play it in my mind's eye, I cringe. There were a couple of times when my boy was fighting me, twisting and turning, trying to block the belt that I ended up getting him in the lower back, on the side of his hip and in one particular hand strike I thought I might have broke a finger because he slipped his wrist out from my left hand right as my right hand was coming down. This is with my college age son who I was much harder on. FWIW, we have a great relationship.

With my younger son who is a pre-teen, I have probably spanked him about a half dozen times (if that) and never with a belt or another object. Going through the growing pains of being a young father to my first child, I was sort of learning on the job. And I had an internal regulator that allowed me to see/feel when I had gone too far.

One of the scary things about the AP situation is not the corporal punishment of his child, it is the degree to which he went and apparent inability to recognize that he went too far...save for his expressing some remorse for accidentally getting his little guy in the genitals.

Based on the interview I heard this morning from the guy who broke the story (and has seen the photos and texts and listened to the entire 40 minute law investigatory interview with AP), here is what he had to say regarding your questions in bold. During a physical examination, marks from a prior punishment were visible, one of which was a loop mark. This is what led investigators to ask AP if he hit his child with an extension cord (doubled up to create a loop at the end). AP said he did not, that he had been hit with an extension cord as a child and he knows how much it hurts. As for the relationship with the ex, all indications are that it's pretty amicable (the texts appear to support this). This does not appear (at least at this point) to be a situation where a spurned ex is seeking revenge. As for the photos being taken a week after the fact, this apparently is because the kid had a doctor's appointment previously scheduled for some time after he returned home to his mom. It was during this appointment that the doctor saw the injuries and reported the incident.

Yeah, if the ex wanted to get Peterson in trouble she would have taken pictures right when the child got home. And it's not like this is the first time Peterson used this type of discipline.

Do we know what the custody situation is?

 

[Sinn Fein]

That's fine. I don't care. Then change my statement by Goodell to read, "he admitted to disciplining his child." Because of those photos, I would still suspend him indefinitely.

On what basis - within the CBA, would you suspend indefinitely?

 

[SIDA!]

BB

Thanks for clearing that up. The last line about the doctor reporting it would obviously suggest that this isn't a case of a bitter ex seeking revenge. Further, it almost infers that the mother was in some ways approving of the punishment. I don't in any way want to see this turned into a scorched earth exercise where the mom, doctor, etc are crucified in the media.

Not sure how credible AP is on the electrical cord comment, however, it does seem that up to this point he has been pretty open and honest about what happened (in large part because he doesn't think he did anything wrong and is emulating behavior he learned/experienced as a kid).

It is definitely disconcerting to learn that a young child who is only 4 years old may already have a series of marks/scarring from punishment. But I guess I come back to the idea that I believe AP loves/cares for his child. I think I can wrap my head around the idea that in this instance he engaged in an act of child abuse however, I don't think that makes him a child abuser or a terrible father unworthy of ever seeing his kid again or playing in the NFL again.

Am I being insanely hypocritical or illogical here? I think we can find a middle ground between crucifying someone and stripping them of everything versus education/counseling.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I think I can wrap my head around the idea that in this instance he engaged in an act of child abuse however, I don't think that makes him a child abuser

Wait, what?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

it makes a difference to me.

He did not rape the kid, he spanked the kid, with a switch. I understand that a majority of folks on here have never been spanked with a switch before - so it seems barbaric. It might even be barbaric. But, if that is how you grew up with discipline, then I think education, and not vilification, is the appropriate response here. We, as a society evolve, but not all at the same pace.

 

[Doug B]

Sometimes actions need to be judged. Beating a child is one of those types of actions.

This is a great point. A lot of people think the only two absolute, "flushing one's life down the drain" crimes are First-Degree Murder and Forcible Rape. IMHO, there are -- and well should be -- some others.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

it makes a difference to me.

He did not rape the kid, he spanked the kid, with a switch. I understand that a majority of folks on here have never been spanked with a switch before - so it seems barbaric. It might even be barbaric. But, if that is how you grew up with discipline, then I think education, and not vilification, is the appropriate response here. We, as a society evolve, but not all at the same pace.

Can't we educate and vilify?

 

[SIDA!]

I think I can wrap my head around the idea that in this instance he engaged in an act of child abuse however, I don't think that makes him a child abuser

Wait, what?

I knew this was coming.

Kind of like how a person can make a bad decision, but that doesn't make them a bad person.

 

[timschochet]

That's fine. I don't care. Then change my statement by Goodell to read, "he admitted to disciplining his child." Because of those photos, I would still suspend him indefinitely.

On what basis - within the CBA, would you suspend indefinitely?

let them take me to court if they want. I'd have the public on my side, which is all that counts in this situation. I don't think either the Owners or the players union would dare to challenge this , but if they did, Goodell would emerge the winner in the only court that matters .

 

[Disco Stu]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?

Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

it makes a difference to me.He did not rape the kid, he spanked the kid, with a switch. I understand that a majority of folks on here have never been spanked with a switch before - so it seems barbaric. It might even be barbaric. But, if that is how you grew up with discipline, then I think education, and not vilification, is the appropriate response here. We, as a society evolve, but not all at the same pace.

I wasn't saying he raped the kid, that was just a silly analogy.

I agree education is important. One way to educate people not to do this would be to suspend/ban a prominent football player from the NFL for doing it.

 

[SIDA!]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

 

[Sinn Fein]

That's fine. I don't care. Then change my statement by Goodell to read, "he admitted to disciplining his child." Because of those photos, I would still suspend him indefinitely.

On what basis - within the CBA, would you suspend indefinitely?

let them take me to court if they want. I'd have the public on my side, which is all that counts in this situation. I don't think either the Owners or the players union would dare to challenge this , but if they did, Goodell would emerge the winner in the only court that matters .

Rice is already challenging his "indefinite" suspension, and the commissioner arguably has better grounds to suspend Rice if he lied in the investigation...

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

I agree with Disco Stu. Child abuser has a definition. If you abuse a child, you are one.

If your point was just that maybe he's not a bad guy, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[Da Guru]

Here's what I would say, if I were Goodell:

"Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of any crime. But we have his admission that he beat the child, we have the testimony of the child, and we have these photographs, which are absolutely sickening. So I am overriding the Vikings and suspending Adrian Peterson indefinitely. When and if he has either been found not guilty or served his sentence, then I will reinstate him. Not before then."

So the NFL should lie re: AP's admissions? Wow.

Peterson admitted he beat his son.

Link? And I specifically want to see him say he "beat" his son. AFAIK he has admitted to disciplining him. The worst word I've heard him use is "whoop" which, while not a great word, has a specific connotation that is not anything like beating.

A 4 year old boy was hit multiple times until he bled, up to 15 times according to AP himself, and then had his nuts shredded by a tree branch and had leaves shoved into his mouth. Does it really matter what you call it??

 

[StrikeS2k]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

The problem was with Tim's statement. He wanted Goodell to say AP admitted beating the kid, which AP did not do. If he wants Goodell to make his own judgment of AP's actions that's fine, but putting words in AP's mouth is wrong.

 

[Annyong]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

That's Otis

 

[Da Guru]

Goodell just announced that he has hired 4 women to be in charge of the NFLs domestic abuse policy. All 4 were former heads of domestic violence organizations. Look out.....

 

[SIDA!]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

I agree with Disco Stu. Child abuser has a definition. If you abuse a child, you are one.

If your point was just that maybe he's not a bad guy, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

I think there are shades of grey. There is a difference between someone who murders another human being in cold blood and someone who got drunk and killed another person or persons in an accident. I think there is a difference between someone who abuses a child (e.g. child abuser) and someone who is heavy handed with punishment and discipline.

If you guys think that he is a child abuser, then should you not be calling for him to lose custody and visitation of his child, forever? Should the mom lose custody and the kid be put into the custody of another family member or adopted because she apparently condoned/enabled the abuse?

For the most part, I think he seems like a pretty good guy who cares about his family and needs to be educated with respect to better techniques for punishing a 4 year old child. I reserve judgment if some of these crazy reports about a whooping room are true.

 

[Disco Stu]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

Nah, I'm worse than Hitler.

Sorry your distinction makes no sense though.

 

[Native]

RIP NFL.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

The problem was with Tim's statement. He wanted Goodell to say AP admitted beating the kid, which AP did not do. If he wants Goodell to make his own judgment of AP's actions that's fine, but putting words in AP's mouth is wrong.

He admitted hitting the kid with a stick a bunch of times causing some pretty serious injuries. That's a beating, for those of us with knowledge of the English language. It doesn't matter what word he chose to describe it. A rose by any other name, blah, blah, blah.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Goodell just announced that he has hired 4 women to be in charge of the NFLs domestic abuse policy. All 4 were former heads of domestic violence organizations. Look out.....

Maybe Peterson will spend some time in the Whooping Room...

Hmm, how do you think that would go over in the next CBA - instead of suspensions, the players will get caned/whipped?

Maybe that is the imagery that Peterson needs to imagine when he wants to spank his kids...

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Kind of like how a person can commit murder, but not be a murderer. Wait.

Yes. Exactly black and white like that. You obviously win the title of being the most perfect human being in the world.

Nah, I'm worse than Hitler.

Sorry your distinction makes no sense though.

Actually true.

 

[Christo]

Well, if somebody already posted it, oh well. Peterson tweeted a photograph yesterday, of the following Bible verses (I have bolded the part he highlighted:

Come to me and rest. Give your mind a break from it's habitual judging. You form judgments about this situation, that situation, this person, that person, yourself, even the weather- as if judging were your main function in life. But I created you first and foremost to KNOW ME and to live in rich communication with Me. When you become preoccupied with passing judgment, you usurp My role.

Relate to me as creature to Creator, sheep to Shepherd, subject to King, clay to Potter. Allow Me to have My way in your life. Rather than evaluating My ways with you, accept them thankfully. The intimacy I offer you is not an invitation to act as if you were My equal. Worship me as KING OF KINGS while walking hand in hand with Me on the path of Life.

Matthew 7:1, John 17.3, Romans 9:20-21, Timothy 6:15

Curious that a guy who judged the hell out of a 4 year old would post this.

 

[StrikeS2k]

That's fine. I don't care. Then change my statement by Goodell to read, "he admitted to disciplining his child." Because of those photos, I would still suspend him indefinitely.

On what basis - within the CBA, would you suspend indefinitely?

let them take me to court if they want. I'd have the public on my side, which is all that counts in this situation. I don't think either the Owners or the players union would dare to challenge this , but if they did, Goodell would emerge the winner in the only court that matters .

Um, you are aware that the NFLPA is backing Ray Rice's appeal, aren't you?

 

[Christo]

BTW, it was posted almost 24 hours ago, timmy.

 

[timschochet]

I am not sure he would characterize it that way - I think he has acknowledged disciplining his child, and that in the process of discipling him with a switch he caused injuries such a bruising and broken skin.

Yeah, I'm not sure it matters what words he uses to characterize it. Is there any dispute about what he did?Nobody's gonna give me a lot of slack if I rape somebody and call it a hug. "That's how we did hugs when I was growing up."

The problem was with Tim's statement. He wanted Goodell to say AP admitted beating the kid, which AP did not do. If he wants Goodell to make his own judgment of AP's actions that's fine, but putting words in AP's mouth is wrong.

your distinction is irrelevant, absurd, and completely typical of you.