Drunken Poster
Footballguy
Just finished that shark pool monstrosity about this. Please tell me no one here has offered the "I was beat as a kid, complete with battle wounds worse than this kid so what's the big deal?" excuse?
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Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (1 Viewer)
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General Malaise
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timschochet
Footballguy
The tragic thing about this, beyond the story itself, is that Adrian Peterson is not just a star NFL running back. He may be the best running back ever. At the very least he has to be considered with the likes of Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, and Barry Sanders.
If he never plays another down of football because of this incident, he's already well worthy of the Hall of Fame, simply based on performance.
If he never plays another down of football because of this incident, he's already well worthy of the Hall of Fame, simply based on performance.
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
What offends you about this, Jackie?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Was traveling today and heard the story on Sirius. They described "open wounds" and said the kid was 11. Later I heard he was actually 4 years old. It's hard for me to imagine beating a kid of any age, but 4 strikes me as especially cruel. I don't think it teaches anything but to fear your parents from an early age, and probably plants a nice seed of rage that will start to manifest in the teens.
I was actually relieved to see the pics because I pictured huge bloody gashes, like from the canings in Singapore. It's still awful, I'm just glad for the kid that it wasn't what I pictured.
Haven't read threads here yet because I'm trying to just wrap my head around this...
I remember interviews with Peterson years ago and he's clearly not intelligent. Apparently this is how he was raised and finds nothing wrong with it. I can understand that up to a point, but if you're going to bring a kid into the world, there is an obligation to learn lots of things, including proper discipline. To think that beating a 4y.o. with a stick until he bleeds is somehow going to teach him something, or toughen him up...I don't know, there's something way beyond discipline there. It strikes me as sadistic. I don't know if he's really so dumb as to think he was doing good or if he's just a sick #### who enjoyed it. I guess I can see both scenarios. Either way I think he deserves some jail time.
As for this season, no doubt in my mind, he needs to sit out. He admitted doing this to the kid, so screw waiting for the legal process. One way or another he should not play, whether it's a suspension or being deactivated.
What I'm curious about and haven't heard/read yet:
Until there is a conviction, is Goodell "allowed" under the CBA to suspend him? In other words, would the players association have grounds to fight it.
Say there's no suspension, if the Vikings simply deactivate him every week and continue to pay him, I assume he has no recourse to fight that either?
I was actually relieved to see the pics because I pictured huge bloody gashes, like from the canings in Singapore. It's still awful, I'm just glad for the kid that it wasn't what I pictured.
Haven't read threads here yet because I'm trying to just wrap my head around this...
I remember interviews with Peterson years ago and he's clearly not intelligent. Apparently this is how he was raised and finds nothing wrong with it. I can understand that up to a point, but if you're going to bring a kid into the world, there is an obligation to learn lots of things, including proper discipline. To think that beating a 4y.o. with a stick until he bleeds is somehow going to teach him something, or toughen him up...I don't know, there's something way beyond discipline there. It strikes me as sadistic. I don't know if he's really so dumb as to think he was doing good or if he's just a sick #### who enjoyed it. I guess I can see both scenarios. Either way I think he deserves some jail time.
As for this season, no doubt in my mind, he needs to sit out. He admitted doing this to the kid, so screw waiting for the legal process. One way or another he should not play, whether it's a suspension or being deactivated.
What I'm curious about and haven't heard/read yet:
Until there is a conviction, is Goodell "allowed" under the CBA to suspend him? In other words, would the players association have grounds to fight it.
Say there's no suspension, if the Vikings simply deactivate him every week and continue to pay him, I assume he has no recourse to fight that either?
Drunken Poster
Footballguy
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I don't know if he makes the Hall or not now, and it's not the time to really be concerned with it. It's just really a huge bummer, if you're an NFL fan and you think about the true greats of this era, well, time to knock one way down the list because he's apparently a sadistic #### or barely above an animal in his cognitive function. What an ugly year for the league.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Nope.
The tragic thing about this is grow a man needed to impose his will on a 4 year old by beating him with a stick.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Yeah, no.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Now we know how these things keep happening.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
People do this crap all the time.........it is just not football players...........if this is opening your eyes....well that is good but it also says you are truly ignorant and know nothing about the world we live in.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
it is not a human trait to beat kids multiple times with sticks. evidently you and i are living in different worlds then.
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
We are in different worlds........yours is better......I see people killing them often.......yours is much nicer.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Again all this stuff sucks but to peg it as "new" and "something needs to be done" is BS. It has been problem for decades and only superficial steps will be taken. Rice beats his wife and AP beats his kid and lets get on the message board and ##### about it when the same thing is most likely happening a few doors down from where you live and you don't give a crap about it.
Al O'Pecia
Footballguy
A couple of those other guys are well known for their abuse too. Jim Brown is a notorious wife beater, and Emmitt Smith beat the English language to death.
Al O'Pecia
Footballguy
You forgot to add that it's white supremacy to force these black players to live by the white man's rule to not beat your wife or kid.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
You nailed it. This is sickening. It is disgusting for anyone to beat a child. This is worse than Rice hitting his wife. A 4 year old is defenseless and likely does not even fully grasp just how wrong it is for his Daddy to bloody him. Peterson should be suspended by the Vikes right now.McGarnicle said:
You've got to hope that Peterson stepped over the line overestimated his strength of whatnot.
In my opinion, physical violence is fine. But anything that leaves a bruise, draws blood is a little much.
I can't tell the guy how to raise his kid. But a line was definitely crossed here. I don't think he should lose his job over it though.
Losing his kid will be enough punishment. Crazy considering how his other son died.
In my opinion, physical violence is fine. But anything that leaves a bruise, draws blood is a little much.
I can't tell the guy how to raise his kid. But a line was definitely crossed here. I don't think he should lose his job over it though.
Losing his kid will be enough punishment. Crazy considering how his other son died.
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PatsWillWin
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Yeah, the real tragedy about a 4 year old being beaten bloody with a stick is that the person who did the beating may not get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, followed closely by the impact on Roddy White's fantasy team.timschochet said:
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
He may miss many more games. I think the NFL is shaking in their boots ATM (RICE) and is not ready to handle this situation.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Yeah, I have to admit, I was thrilled when I heard the story, so I could tell all my white middle class friends what a horrible Peterson is. That's what we do you know, just nonstop trashing of blacks. Love when they make it easy like this.TakiToki said:
McGarnicle
Footballguy
If you're talking about my criminal record, sorry, I'm just a boring middle class white. Tell you what though, if I had done to a kid what Peterson did, it would easily vault to the top of the worst things I've ever done. Sorry if you feel it's too commonplace for all this outrage. Not really sure what point of view you're defending in this thread...you don't think it's a big deal?FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Then some cultures need to change. A slap on the ### might instill some fear, a little boy getting his skin torn and nuts ripped apart by a branch from a tree is downright abuse. To keep hitting a child after drawing blood is insane and will scar the child mentally forever. My dad came home drunk one night and beat me when I was 7-8..it was the only time he ever hit me in my life and I still remember it like it was yesterday. I did not respect him for it, in fact I hated him for years because of it. I vowed when I had kids that would NEVER ever happen to them.Sinn Fein said:
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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This.Max Power said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
I think one or two posters did but the majority are just stating how they got disciplined as kids. Not really saying right or wrong.Drunken Poster said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
What the.....are you.......dude just leave. Just go.timschochet said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Jim Brown would not have lasted a year in todays NFL. Brown beat the crap out of every woman he dated.
timschochet
Footballguy
I probably should have anticipated that some people here would attack me for my comments. What I should have done was written that there was another tragic aspect of this BEYOND the story itself, so that nobody would think I was trying in any way to minimize the fact that a 4 year old had just been savagely beaten. And I should have made clear, in other posts, how awful that act was, how there can be no excuse for it whatsoever.
Oh wait, I did do those things. And yet I still got ripped, still got called the worst person ever. Oh well.
Oh wait, I did do those things. And yet I still got ripped, still got called the worst person ever. Oh well.
pantherclub
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am sure most of us give a crap about it no matter where it happens. It's stupid and it doesn't do a damn thing.FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I also think you are wrong about nothing can be done about it - stop doing it to your kids (not talking you specifically), and they probably won't do it to their's, etc. rinse repeat. I am sure there are a ton of people on this board and everywhere you go (would be an interesting poll) that got spankings, etc.. and chose not to do that to their kid, so something is being done about it. No, I can't go door to door and police how everybody is handling the discipline with their children.
My simple thoughts on the concept:
- it is not OK for somebody to hit me if I make a mistake, so it is not appropriate for me to do so.
- if your kid is too young to talk to and realize the consequences of what they are doing wrong, they are not going understand why you are hitting them either. They are kids. So in that case spankings aren't doing a thing besides making your kids fear you.
- after that point, spanking doesn't work because it is immediate and over quickly. My mom spanked me a couple times as I got older and I laughed it off. Wasn't OK, but I probably would have rather have a sore ### for 5mins than have my Nintendo taken away or something else. Again, spanking isn't doing a damn thing.
Also just find it sad that an act of aggression was chosen to use on the kid, when what he was being punished for was an act of aggression. Imagine that.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
well, I was hoping most people would read what I wrote and note the use of the word "beyond" and understand that I wasn't trying to minimize the abuse, which was just awful and IMO worthy of jail time. But I guess there are always some who only read what they want so as to reaffirm pre-conceived notions.
You are one of three things:
1. A horrible person
2. Not very good at the written English language
3. Both
Ditkaless Wonders
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Oh Tim. Is there ever a controversial thread where you don't completely step in it? 
pantherclub
Footballguy
When you have to come back and explain your original post with two additional posts then it's time to step away. But your Tim. We know you won't do this.
timschochet
Footballguy
actually just getting to bed. I was up all night helping my brother get into the hospital.
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