Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Why do people say, "I was beaten as kid with a belt/switch so it's okay"?

I'd like to know how many of those people were beaten with a stick as a 4 year old until their scrotum was bleeding?

Link? I didn't realize he actually made it bleed. I hope you're not just exaggerating. Actually, I hope you are.

 

[jonessed]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

The trial will be set in the off-season most likely and then promptly pled down. I would expect a suspension based on the degree of charge pled down to.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why do people say, "I was beaten as kid with a belt/switch so it's okay"?

I'd like to know how many of those people were beaten with a stick as a 4 year old until their scrotum was bleeding?

Link? I didn't realize he actually made it bleed. I hope you're not just exaggerating. Actually, I hope you are.

Well, open wounds, almost be definition bled at some level.

However, I don't think people appreciate how easy it is to cut the skin with a flexible switch. It really has nothing to do with brute strength and has to do with the whip motion that will open the skin, and if an "end" wrapped around a leg, it could easily hit the scrotum without ever trying to inflict injury there.

 

[timschochet]

Why do people say, "I was beaten as kid with a belt/switch so it's okay"?

I'd like to know how many of those people were beaten with a stick as a 4 year old until their scrotum was bleeding?

Link? I didn't realize he actually made it bleed. I hope you're not just exaggerating. Actually, I hope you are.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1475650/adrian-peterson-child-####/

In a series of texts, 29-year-old Peterson described the extent of the beating he rained down on his son as an act of discipline after the boy pushed another of Peterson’s kids while the other child was playing a video game.

In the text messages, Peterson said that he “felt bad” about the beating because he realized later that he had caused more injuries than he had intended. But he added that his “bad” feelings would not stop further beatings if he deemed them necessary.

“Got him in nuts once I noticed,” Peterson wrote in a text to the boy’s mother, according to the CBS report. “But I felt so bad, n I’m all tearing that butt up when needed! I start putting them in timeout. N save the whooping for needed memories!”

In another text, Peterson assured the boy’s mother, “never do I go overboard!”

Prosecutors allege that the beating caused multiple injuries to the child, including bruises and cuts to the boy’s legs, buttocks, back, and scrotum.

So no, it does not say SPECIFICALLY that he made the scrotum of his 4 year old bleed when he beat him with a stick. I know that matters to you, Strike.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

My parents used to dip me in molten lava when I acted up.

 

[timschochet]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

The trial will be set in the off-season most likely and then promptly pled down. I would expect a suspension based on the degree of charge pled down to.

There is no way in hell that this story is going to be allowed to go to the offseason, and Peterson will play this season as if nothing ever happened. I can't see that happening.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure most of the actual Norse Vikings beat the #### out of their kids.

 

[Sinn Fein]

My parents used to dip me in molten lava when I acted up.

I was scared as #### of lava growing up - never wanted to get the lava punishment...

 

[Arizona Ron]

Since Barkley said on ESPN that this is basically accepted in the black community as a way to parent, I can only speak for myself growing up black in an inner city.

It was not accepted in my neighborhood. In fact, the only friends I know that got abused- level beatings with belts/switches/extension cords were the friends that grew up with no father.

I believe it was the single moms over compensating for no father being around.

Like I said, I can't speak for the entire black community, I'll let our Tim do that.

 

[Christo]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

You might want to call them and tell them to take it into consideration. They might not be as aware of the issue as you.

 

[Christo]

My parents used to dip me in molten lava when I acted up.

Are you a better man for it?

 

[timschochet]

Since Barkley said on ESPN that this is basically accepted in the black community as a way to parent, I can only speak for myself going up black in an inner city.

It was not accepted in my neighborhood. In fact, the only friends I know that got abused- level beatings with belts/switches/extension cords were the friends that grew up with no father.

I believe it was the single moms over compensating for no father being around.

Like I said, I can't speak for the entire black community, I'll let our Tim do that.

Thanks AR. But you might want to read my signature regarding who I speak for.

 

[timschochet]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

You might want to call them and tell them to take it into consideration. They might not be as aware of the issue as you.

Your sarcasm fails to impress me.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Since Barkley said on ESPN that this is basically accepted in the black community as a way to parent, I can only speak for myself growing up black in an inner city.

It was not accepted in my neighborhood. In fact, the only friends I know that got abused- level beatings with belts/switches/extension cords were the friends that grew up with no father.

I believe it was the single moms over compensating for no father being around.

Like I said, I can't speak for the entire black community, I'll let our Tim do that.

He is actually the Official Spokesman.

My parents used to dip me in molten lava when I acted up.

Are you a better man for it?

I realized that my feet were what was holding me back from becoming a man.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

Do we really need to review the history of "the South" culture and lump this in as some of the many things that were "okay" years ago?

 

[Christo]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

You might want to call them and tell them to take it into consideration. They might not be as aware of the issue as you.

Your sarcasm fails to impress me.

You're down on the NFL. You're down on me. What can we do to make it better?

 

[Christo]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

Do we really need to review the history of "the South" culture and lump this in as some of the many things that were "okay" years ago?

Oh, sure. Bring that old "situation" up again.

 

[timschochet]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

You might want to call them and tell them to take it into consideration. They might not be as aware of the issue as you.

Your sarcasm fails to impress me.

You're down on the NFL. You're down on me. What can we do to make it better?

Who said I was down on you? I like you fine, Christo.

Also, not really down on the NFL. Just stunned by the way this incident is being handled. I think Peterson needs to be suspended by Goodell. I think before the week is out, he'll have come to that conclusion. And I think the Vikings made a horrible mistake this morning.

 

[Disco Stu]

AP credits his father's discipline for the way he turned out so it's hard to him to understand that it's abuse.

His father beat an incredible amount of natural talent into him? I need to rethink my parenting style...

 

[Christo]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

You might want to call them and tell them to take it into consideration. They might not be as aware of the issue as you.

Your sarcasm fails to impress me.

You're down on the NFL. You're down on me. What can we do to make it better?

Who said I was down on you? I like you fine, Christo.

Also, not really down on the NFL. Just stunned by the way this incident is being handled. I think Peterson needs to be suspended by Goodell. I think before the week is out, he'll have come to that conclusion. And I think the Vikings made a horrible mistake this morning.

According to Phil Elliot, Viking fans are mostly in favor of it. It's a business. The Vikings customers are apparently speaking and the Vikings are reacting accordingly. Goodell has the ability to suspend but I doubt he's going to do it until he's met with AD.

 

[Disco Stu]

And did AP's father not get beaten enough by his own father? Is that why he ended up in prison?

 

[tdoss]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

 

[-fish-]

you should not hit your kids with trees.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

Do you know where those removed leaves went? Was that "elevating" what was used?

 

[timschochet]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

Is a "stick" really elevating it from a "switch"?

 

[dparker713]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

Your public image generally comes, ya know, from the public. The public isn't nearly as monolithic on this issue as you want them to be.

 

[Disco Stu]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

I'd much rather be hit with a stick. The force used in whipping would break a stick.

"Stick" or "branch" are being used in some stories because (thankfully) much of the country doesn't know what a switch is.

 

[bigbottom]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

I think a picture of the switch in question (or a similar one) is depicted in the link below:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/28037988

 

[comfortably numb]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

Do we really need to review the history of "the South" culture and lump this in as some of the many things that were "okay" years ago?

I know.

I'm gonna drive to Mississippi this weekend and when I see a group of negros on a corner I'm gonna bust out a firehose.

 

[Disco Stu]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

My parents used to dip me in molten lava when I acted up.

that's hot.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Sorry if this is a honda, I didn't read thru the thread...Flew up to the Twin Cities today for business. Listening to the radio talk shows a little bit, it seems to be about 85% supporting Adrian and about 15% against him. Every one seems to say what he did is absolutely awful, BUT, he should be allowed to play again next week:

1. He's done great things for the community, especially kids. lets give him a mulligan.

2. They spank/hit kids in the "the South" so its part of his culture.

3. I have have mixed feelings but lets just let the legal process work.

4. it wasn't child abuse, just a bad "whipping".

5. owners/coaches saw how bad the Vikings were without him so we better let him play.

Sounds like the word on the street up here is the NFL/Vikings think this won't go to trial until 2015 so let him play this season.

Do we really need to review the history of "the South" culture and lump this in as some of the many things that were "okay" years ago?

I know.

I'm gonna drive to Mississippi this weekend and when I see a group of negros on a corner I'm gonna bust out a firehose.

Years ago.

Cultures evolve, beating kids to "parent" them is lagging behind in some parts of the US for some reason.

"We've always done it this way", is a horrible copout for not fixing a problem.

 

[bigbottom]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

 

[Koya]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

Tim, you're smarter than this. Can we please recognize that there's some nuance to these issues?

Does not make what AP did right. It disgusts me.

However, if you think that even abusive discipline of a parent equates to punching your wife out with a left hook, that's ridiculous. This is not a clear black and white issue. There is a large swarth of the culture for whom this is understandable, possibly even acceptable.

If anything, this can hopefully bring about a constructive dialogue so kids don't end up being beat like this (or at all).

 

[Koya]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.

Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Da Guru is right. As bad as what Peterson did, if the Rice video had never happened the situation would be entirely different. That video has changed everything; it's like 9/11 for the NFL.

minus the airplanes crashing in to the buildings by Islamic terrorists and the thousands of innocent people dying and the wars that followed. Other than that its exactly like 9/11.

You guys are eager to jump on every remark and take it to the most literal extreme. All I meant is that, like 9/11, the Rice video changed the culture of the NFL, and we will see this specifically in terms of how they handle bad behavior from now on. I used 9/11 because there are very few clear cut examples of single incidents which create a before and after dividing line, not because of the magnitude of events which aren't in any way comparable.

Gender reassignment surgery has that stark line you are looking for. Perhaps there is a decent metaphor, or would it be simile, in there.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.

Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.

I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.

Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.

I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.

What if someone had zero intent of killing a person while driving home drunk. They need driving lessons?

 

[tdoss]

I know it's a small distinction...but I really wished people would stop referring to it as a "stick".

It's a damn switch...not condoning it...I'm just not onboard with elevating what was used.

If we don't slow our roll a bit...it'll start being referred to as a branch, tree limb and ultimately he hit him with a damn log.

It's a switch...it's basically a fresh twig of a tree with the leaves removed.

I think a picture of the switch in question (or a similar one) is depicted in the link below:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/28037988

Yep...that's a switch all right.

Ain't no damned stick. If someone found that while walking...would they really call it a stick?

I know it's really a small distinction and quite trivial...but it just doesn't sound right to say "He beat him with a stick"...it comes off as exaggeration...as if this needs exaggeration. Just look at the pics...he was wailed on a bunch.

It doesn't shock me though...whether its one hit or twenty...I've never seen a bare bottom switching NOT end up drawing blood and welts.

I've been abused and yes, I've spanked my kids. A switching on bare skin is abuse.

I don't think the intent was to abuse though. Get the man and child some counseling and let's stop trying end people's careers over every infraction.

 

[RBM]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

####in idiot thought the kid was challenging him by not crying. Unreal.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Let us not forget that this kid is one of several from several different women. And AP probably only spends a week out of the year with the kid. He is NOT Dad to this kid. He is the sperm donor.

I'm not saying you can go around hitting kids if you're a full-time parent, but I'd bet this story would not have gotten out if AP was the parent of this kid 24/7-365.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.

Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.

I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.

What if someone had zero intent of killing a person while driving home drunk. They need driving lessons?

Anything you do under the influence of drugs or alcohol is considered intent IMO.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Text reply from the mother: "He's trying to be strong for you. He's afraid of you. He's 4, he's not playing mind games with you."

Poor little fella.

http://cbsminnesota.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/adrian-peterson-text-messages.jpg

This is the crime here. It's not about the NFL and when / how long they suspend.

Hope the family can move past this, especially the kid.

I still don't view this as a crime. He thought he was doing the right thing and was trying to be a good parent. In everything that has been released, that's what has stood out. He clearly needs parents classes but there's zero intent of hurting his son.

What if someone had zero intent of killing a person while driving home drunk. They need driving lessons?

Anything you do under the influence of drugs or alcohol is considered intent IMO.

This is exactly the point. There once was no law in place regarding drinking and driving until people could not govern themselves. It's clear, to me, that people cannot govern themselves on the issue of child abuse.

 

[Disco Stu]

You don't give a "whopping" with zero intent to hurt. That doesn't make any sense.

 

[timschochet]

Da Guru is right. As bad as what Peterson did, if the Rice video had never happened the situation would be entirely different. That video has changed everything; it's like 9/11 for the NFL.

minus the airplanes crashing in to the buildings by Islamic terrorists and the thousands of innocent people dying and the wars that followed. Other than that its exactly like 9/11.

You guys are eager to jump on every remark and take it to the most literal extreme. All I meant is that, like 9/11, the Rice video changed the culture of the NFL, and we will see this specifically in terms of how they handle bad behavior from now on. I used 9/11 because there are very few clear cut examples of single incidents which create a before and after dividing line, not because of the magnitude of events which aren't in any way comparable.

Gender reassignment surgery has that stark line you are looking for. Perhaps there is a decent metaphor, or would it be simile, in there.

Gender reassignment surgery???

Dude, sometimes you are really smart. And sometimes you are really smart AND funny. And sometimes you are just weird.

 

[timschochet]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

Tim, you're smarter than this. Can we please recognize that there's some nuance to these issues?

Does not make what AP did right. It disgusts me.

However, if you think that even abusive discipline of a parent equates to punching your wife out with a left hook, that's ridiculous. This is not a clear black and white issue. There is a large swarth of the culture for whom this is understandable, possibly even acceptable.

If anything, this can hopefully bring about a constructive dialogue so kids don't end up being beat like this (or at all).

I wasn't comparing what AP did to what Rice did, though, since you asked, I find them to equally disgusting.

But that wasn't at all the point of my post.

 

[Zow]

In many countries Adran Peterson would be headed for jail.

Including this one.

 

[SIDA!]

I'm still amazed that

1. The Vikings are actually going to let him play this Sunday

2. Thus far, the NFL has not taken any action

I don't understand what the heck they're thinking about. Public image is everything to the NFL. This is TERRIBLE public image for the NFL.

Tim, you're smarter than this. Can we please recognize that there's some nuance to these issues?

Does not make what AP did right. It disgusts me.

However, if you think that even abusive discipline of a parent equates to punching your wife out with a left hook, that's ridiculous. This is not a clear black and white issue. There is a large swarth of the culture for whom this is understandable, possibly even acceptable.

If anything, this can hopefully bring about a constructive dialogue so kids don't end up being beat like this (or at all).

I am out of likes for today. So this will have to do.

 

[RUSF18]

#KHOU #ITEAM Adrian Peterson investigated for another abuse accusation involving another one of his sons. More at 6! pic.twitter.com/dH4tad2ovk