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Adrian Peterson's turn to get the boot from the NFL (3 Viewers)

SIDA! said:
RhymesMcJuice said:
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
I wish someone would stuff leaves in Tim's mouth and beat him bloody.
thanks. Do I know you?
Time to stop this crap. It's also 'ironic' that a thread about abuse contains personal attacks like this. If anyone doesn't like Tim's posts it's not that difficult to block them.
I have never blocked anyone, but wouldn't you still see the posts of people who quote him?

Serious question, if someone was to go back and look at every FFA thread that is more than 2 pages in length since he became a member, what percentage of them would have a comment by him? Blocking Tim is tantamount to blocking the FFA.
Better question who cares?
When a guy seemingly posts in nearly every thread on the board and clearly demonstrates that he is too busy formulating the next post he is going to submit in lieu of actually reading posts that others have submitted, it gets a bit much.
For whom? It seems the same few people do more to damage to every thread Tim posts in complaining about him posting than his posting does.

 
Ah, so now I understand.

But, work with me here, lets say you have a majority of people who think this behavior is acceptable - based on the 70% who think he should keep his job. Now, I'll concede the validity of the exact number of 70%, but lets assume that is a fairly good approximation of the potential jury pool, or even, if you like, lets just say only 50% think he should keep his job.

Now, this was not mentioned in your dissertation on the US justice system, and I don't know how the jury system works for criminal cases in Texas, but I will assume it would take more than 50% of the jurors to convict - is that a fair assumption? If we start with the premise that at least 50% think he should keep his job, then I think a fair inference can be made that at least 50% do not think he should be locked up - where, he would, almost by definition, lose his job.

Now, lets consider the advocates in the court room - middle of the road, public servants v. highly paid, highly skilled attorney - again, generally speaking, I am going to go with the highly paid vermin v. the road kill vermin.

This will be a fascinating legal case to watch - I am not entirely sure that Peterson will take a plea deal here - he has a lot to lose by pleading guilty to anything here - going to trial and getting an acquittal, while certainly a risky strategy, may be the play. I suspect a lot of negotiations with the NFL/Vikings will take place before that decision is made.
Yeah I agree with very little of this.

1. It's not a fair inference to make that just because people think he shouldn't lose his job that he shouldn't be convicted and/or shouldn't go to jail. People commit misdemeanors or less serious felonies all the time and "deserve" to be convicted and serve some jail time. This is a far cry from losing their jobs though - heck, it's quite common for a person to get work release while in jail so that they don't lose their jobs. Society has an interest in people maintaining employment, while simultaneously having an interest in criminalizing their same bad behavior. I have no idea why you give so much weight to the notion that people think some criminals shouldn't be fired for their criminal acts.

2. I'm fairly confident that the legal standard in the Texas jury instructions isn't going to be "should the defendant lose his job?" Also, it's not up to the jury to decide whether the defendant should be jailed or put in prison. That's the judge's decision and, again, the judge will not intentionally try to jeopardize a defendant's employment.

3. I believe your discussion of the "vermin" involved in this case is also, to an extent misinformed.* I agree to an extent that Peterson's money will certainly aid in his defense because he can get a seasoned trial attorney and the best experts. But, this is a high profiled case. Odds are quite strong that the prosecutor on the case will also be a seasoned prosecutor who has dozens of trials under his or her belt. Plus, those pictures are the proverbial "smoking gun" here. I don't think this is a clear win for the state here, but my money would be on them to get a conviction.

4. Strongly disagree that trial would be "his play". In my jurisdiction (which tends to be similar to Texas) he's facing felony charges which could land him in prison. That's a huge risk. Instead, with the fact that he doesn't have any priors, this seems like a case where resolving in a manner comparable Ray Rice, where he may be able to avoid a permanent felony and minimize incarceration would be the "play". Of course, a lot of this hinges on the State's willingness to extend such an offer - which public sentiment and pressure may influence.

* But as a private criminal defense attorney, please keep your sentiment going strong so that people continue to be willing to pay our legal fees.
Actually, Texas is one of the few states that allows for jury sentencing in non-capital cases.
No kidding? You mean they identify statutory aggravating and mitigating factors to determine movement within particular sentencing guidelines or the jury actually gives a specific sentence like "2.5 years"?
TEX CR. CODE ANN. § 37.07 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/CR/1/37/37.07

You have to elect before the voir dire and its the same jury for both guilt and sentencing.

ETA: The juries come back with a specific sentence, i.e. 3 years.

 
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Ah, so now I understand.

But, work with me here, lets say you have a majority of people who think this behavior is acceptable - based on the 70% who think he should keep his job. Now, I'll concede the validity of the exact number of 70%, but lets assume that is a fairly good approximation of the potential jury pool, or even, if you like, lets just say only 50% think he should keep his job.

Now, this was not mentioned in your dissertation on the US justice system, and I don't know how the jury system works for criminal cases in Texas, but I will assume it would take more than 50% of the jurors to convict - is that a fair assumption? If we start with the premise that at least 50% think he should keep his job, then I think a fair inference can be made that at least 50% do not think he should be locked up - where, he would, almost by definition, lose his job.

Now, lets consider the advocates in the court room - middle of the road, public servants v. highly paid, highly skilled attorney - again, generally speaking, I am going to go with the highly paid vermin v. the road kill vermin.

This will be a fascinating legal case to watch - I am not entirely sure that Peterson will take a plea deal here - he has a lot to lose by pleading guilty to anything here - going to trial and getting an acquittal, while certainly a risky strategy, may be the play. I suspect a lot of negotiations with the NFL/Vikings will take place before that decision is made.
Yeah I agree with very little of this.

1. It's not a fair inference to make that just because people think he shouldn't lose his job that he shouldn't be convicted and/or shouldn't go to jail. People commit misdemeanors or less serious felonies all the time and "deserve" to be convicted and serve some jail time. This is a far cry from losing their jobs though - heck, it's quite common for a person to get work release while in jail so that they don't lose their jobs. Society has an interest in people maintaining employment, while simultaneously having an interest in criminalizing their same bad behavior. I have no idea why you give so much weight to the notion that people think some criminals shouldn't be fired for their criminal acts.

2. I'm fairly confident that the legal standard in the Texas jury instructions isn't going to be "should the defendant lose his job?" Also, it's not up to the jury to decide whether the defendant should be jailed or put in prison. That's the judge's decision and, again, the judge will not intentionally try to jeopardize a defendant's employment.

3. I believe your discussion of the "vermin" involved in this case is also, to an extent misinformed.* I agree to an extent that Peterson's money will certainly aid in his defense because he can get a seasoned trial attorney and the best experts. But, this is a high profiled case. Odds are quite strong that the prosecutor on the case will also be a seasoned prosecutor who has dozens of trials under his or her belt. Plus, those pictures are the proverbial "smoking gun" here. I don't think this is a clear win for the state here, but my money would be on them to get a conviction.

4. Strongly disagree that trial would be "his play". In my jurisdiction (which tends to be similar to Texas) he's facing felony charges which could land him in prison. That's a huge risk. Instead, with the fact that he doesn't have any priors, this seems like a case where resolving in a manner comparable Ray Rice, where he may be able to avoid a permanent felony and minimize incarceration would be the "play". Of course, a lot of this hinges on the State's willingness to extend such an offer - which public sentiment and pressure may influence.

* But as a private criminal defense attorney, please keep your sentiment going strong so that people continue to be willing to pay our legal fees.
Actually, Texas is one of the few states that allows for jury sentencing in non-capital cases.
No kidding? You mean they identify statutory aggravating and mitigating factors to determine movement within particular sentencing guidelines or the jury actually gives a specific sentence like "2.5 years"?
TEX CR. CODE ANN. § 37.07 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/CR/1/37/37.07

You have to elect before the voir dire and its the same jury for both guilt and sentencing.

ETA: The juries come back with a specific sentence, i.e. 3 years.
Interesting. Well that certainly adds an additional layer of strategy.

 
The NFL contacted Texas prosecutors Monday ... asking for all available information on the Adrian Peterson child abuse case ... TMZ Sports has learned.

An official from the Montgomery County D.A.'s Office tells us ... prosecutors only turned over what they have already made public. We're told the NFL is not entitled to the case file since it is not a law enforcement agency.

The D.A. official tells us the Minnesota Vikings organization has NOT made contact with prosecutors.

The NFL appears to have launched an investigation swiftly in the wake of severe criticism over the way it handled the Ray Rice investigation.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/adrian-peterson-child-abuse-case-nfl-da-prosecutor/#ixzz3DVN2iu4c
 
Governor: Suspend Adrian Peterson

MINNEAPOLIS -- The governor of Minnesota has joined the chorus of those calling for the Minnesota Vikings to suspend running back Adrian Peterson.

Mark Dayton -- who spearheaded the legislative fight for the Vikings' new $1 billion stadium and stood next to team owner Zygi Wilf at the groundbreaking in November -- released a statement on Tuesday saying he believes the Vikings should take Peterson off the field until his child abuse case is resolved in Montgomery County, Texas.

Peterson was indicted on one count of reckless or negligent injury to a child Friday, stemming from an incident earlier this year when he used a switch to discipline his son, and he will make his first appearance in court on Oct. 8. His case might not go to trial until next year, however, and the Vikings announced on Monday that Peterson will be allowed to play while his case is being decided.

That move, Dayton said Tuesday, was a mistake.

"It is an awful situation," he said in a statement provided to The Associated Press. "Yes, Mr. Peterson is entitled to due process and should be 'innocent until proven guilty.' However, he is a public figure; and his actions, as described, are a public embarrassment to the Vikings organization and the state of Minnesota. Whipping a child to the extent of visible wounds, as has been alleged, should not be tolerated in our state. Therefore, I believe the team should suspend Mr. Peterson, until the accusations of child abuse have been resolved by the criminal justice system.

"However, I will not turn my back on the Vikings and their fans, as some have suggested. The Vikings belong to Minnesota -- and in Minnesota. This has been the team's only home, and our citizens, including myself, have been its most dedicated fans."
 
The NFL contacted Texas prosecutors Monday ... asking for all available information on the Adrian Peterson child abuse case ... TMZ Sports has learned.

An official from the Montgomery County D.A.'s Office tells us ... prosecutors only turned over what they have already made public. We're told the NFL is not entitled to the case file since it is not a law enforcement agency.

The D.A. official tells us the Minnesota Vikings organization has NOT made contact with prosecutors.

The NFL appears to have launched an investigation swiftly in the wake of severe criticism over the way it handled the Ray Rice investigation.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/adrian-peterson-child-abuse-case-nfl-da-prosecutor/#ixzz3DVN2iu4c
The bolded is very interesting in light of the Vikings GM's response in yesterday's press conference:

Q: You mentioned that you have talked to Adrian and his attorneys. Have you talked to the police or prosecutors? Have you seen any of the evidence they used to indict him?A: Again, you have to respect that there is a legal process that’s in place. We have seen everything that’s in the file. I will not get into any detail just because I hope that you can respect that the legal process is going to take its course. Everything and all the information that we’ve been able to gather as of today, this is the decision that we felt was best.
 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".

 
The NFL contacted Texas prosecutors Monday ... asking for all available information on the Adrian Peterson child abuse case ... TMZ Sports has learned.

An official from the Montgomery County D.A.'s Office tells us ... prosecutors only turned over what they have already made public. We're told the NFL is not entitled to the case file since it is not a law enforcement agency.

The D.A. official tells us the Minnesota Vikings organization has NOT made contact with prosecutors.

The NFL appears to have launched an investigation swiftly in the wake of severe criticism over the way it handled the Ray Rice investigation.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/adrian-peterson-child-abuse-case-nfl-da-prosecutor/#ixzz3DVN2iu4c
The bolded is very interesting in light of the Vikings GM's response in yesterday's press conference:

Q: You mentioned that you have talked to Adrian and his attorneys. Have you talked to the police or prosecutors? Have you seen any of the evidence they used to indict him?A: Again, you have to respect that there is a legal process that’s in place. We have seen everything that’s in the file. I will not get into any detail just because I hope that you can respect that the legal process is going to take its course. Everything and all the information that we’ve been able to gather as of today, this is the decision that we felt was best.
The NFL is pretty powerful. They hire a lot of ex-law enforcement big dogs. Especially former FBI field supervisors. My guess is they see just about all they want to in most of these cases.

 
The NFL contacted Texas prosecutors Monday ... asking for all available information on the Adrian Peterson child abuse case ... TMZ Sports has learned.

An official from the Montgomery County D.A.'s Office tells us ... prosecutors only turned over what they have already made public. We're told the NFL is not entitled to the case file since it is not a law enforcement agency.

The D.A. official tells us the Minnesota Vikings organization has NOT made contact with prosecutors.

The NFL appears to have launched an investigation swiftly in the wake of severe criticism over the way it handled the Ray Rice investigation.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/adrian-peterson-child-abuse-case-nfl-da-prosecutor/#ixzz3DVN2iu4c
The bolded is very interesting in light of the Vikings GM's response in yesterday's press conference:

Q: You mentioned that you have talked to Adrian and his attorneys. Have you talked to the police or prosecutors? Have you seen any of the evidence they used to indict him?A: Again, you have to respect that there is a legal process that’s in place. We have seen everything that’s in the file. I will not get into any detail just because I hope that you can respect that the legal process is going to take its course. Everything and all the information that we’ve been able to gather as of today, this is the decision that we felt was best.
When did teams stop responding to those questions with "no comment" or "We will refrain from commenting while the legal process resolves itself". That would seem to be preferable to getting caught lying over and over again...

 
The NFL contacted Texas prosecutors Monday ... asking for all available information on the Adrian Peterson child abuse case ... TMZ Sports has learned.

An official from the Montgomery County D.A.'s Office tells us ... prosecutors only turned over what they have already made public. We're told the NFL is not entitled to the case file since it is not a law enforcement agency.

The D.A. official tells us the Minnesota Vikings organization has NOT made contact with prosecutors.

The NFL appears to have launched an investigation swiftly in the wake of severe criticism over the way it handled the Ray Rice investigation.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/15/adrian-peterson-child-abuse-case-nfl-da-prosecutor/#ixzz3DVN2iu4c
The bolded is very interesting in light of the Vikings GM's response in yesterday's press conference:

Q: You mentioned that you have talked to Adrian and his attorneys. Have you talked to the police or prosecutors? Have you seen any of the evidence they used to indict him?A: Again, you have to respect that there is a legal process that’s in place. We have seen everything that’s in the file. I will not get into any detail just because I hope that you can respect that the legal process is going to take its course. Everything and all the information that we’ve been able to gather as of today, this is the decision that we felt was best.
When did teams stop responding to those questions with "no comment" or "We will refrain from commenting while the legal process resolves itself". That would seem to be preferable to getting caught lying over and over again...
You can't say for sure the GM was lying. He never specified which file. He could have been talking about the Pensky file for all we know.

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.

I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.

 
SIDA! said:
RhymesMcJuice said:
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
I wish someone would stuff leaves in Tim's mouth and beat him bloody.
thanks. Do I know you?
Time to stop this crap. It's also 'ironic' that a thread about abuse contains personal attacks like this. If anyone doesn't like Tim's posts it's not that difficult to block them.
I have never blocked anyone, but wouldn't you still see the posts of people who quote him?

Serious question, if someone was to go back and look at every FFA thread that is more than 2 pages in length since he became a member, what percentage of them would have a comment by him? Blocking Tim is tantamount to blocking the FFA.
Better question who cares?
When a guy seemingly posts in nearly every thread on the board and clearly demonstrates that he is too busy formulating the next post he is going to submit in lieu of actually reading posts that others have submitted, it gets a bit much.
For whom? It seems the same few people do more to damage to every thread Tim posts in complaining about him posting than his posting does.
There is a lot of that. That is the nature of the FFA for sure. You can say that about any poster who develops a reputation of some sort. Any thread started by MoP for example would have the same types of stuff. Smoo being a deadbeat. I dunno if that reputation even holds anymore. My activity here has plummeted over the years.

I am hardly around anymore. Just pop in every now and then, primarily to keep tabs on a few soap operas (e.g. Arizona Ron) or when a major story seems to be filling the air waves to see what the chatter is. So, I am not keeping tabs on who is anti-Tim.

I don't think I have ever really said much about Tim. But I have experienced him in all his glory. The dude just loves to type and hear himself talk/think. I have no problem with anyone who has an opinion. Even those who differ from mine. But when you are seemingly more interested in typing out what you want to say or what you think instead of actually reading and digesting what others write, it gets a bit much. For whom? Well, for me, for one.

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.

I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.

I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.
And do what with the hundreds of dollars of Peterson/Vikings clothing and baby items he got for the baby?

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.

I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.
And do what with the hundreds of dollars of Peterson/Vikings clothing and baby items he got for the baby?
I would probably get rid of those.

 
:lmao: I have a buddy that is a HUGE Vikings fan. Born in MN but lives here in California.

I just remembered that he got a personalized license plate last year that says something like "Skol ADP" or "Skol 28".
One of my best friends, another Vikings fan and incredibly nice guy, named his newborn "Adrian" after Peterson. This was like two months ago.

I feel pretty badly for him though as he's pretty shaken up about this.
Guess he should immediately start pretending he's a huge T.J. Hooker fan.
And do what with the hundreds of dollars of Peterson/Vikings clothing and baby items he got for the baby?
I would probably get rid of those.
Pick up some fake blood and he can go trick-or-treating as Adrian Peterson's kid...

 
:confused: What happened to Jesse Ventura?
He finally went full blown crazy.
Successfully sued the widow of a deceased soldier for slander this year. Neat guy.
Not that I want to defend Jesse Ventura but should widows of deceased soldiers be exempt from slander legislation?
No, he was successful. But I reserve the right to have a negative opinion of him for doing so.

 
Nike is now out on the Vikings.

Anheiser-Busch voicing displeasure.

Peterson is finished for the foreseeable future.
Nike is not out. They're removing Peterson merchandise from store shelves in the Twin Cities.

Anheiser-Busch also voiced their displeasure at FIFA prior to the start of the World Cup - they didn't do anything though.

 
Nike is now out on the Vikings.

Anheiser-Busch voicing displeasure.

Peterson is finished for the foreseeable future.
Nike is not out. They're removing Peterson merchandise from store shelves in the Twin Cities.

Anheiser-Busch also voiced their displeasure at FIFA prior to the start of the World Cup - they didn't do anything though.
How about Radisson hotels?
Hardly enough on their own to force the hand of either the Vikings or the NFL.

 
:confused: What happened to Jesse Ventura?
He finally went full blown crazy.
Successfully sued the widow of a deceased soldier for slander this year. Neat guy.
Not that I want to defend Jesse Ventura but should widows of deceased soldiers be exempt from slander legislation?
No, he was successful. But I reserve the right to have a negative opinion of him for doing so.
Well to be fair IIRC the suit started while the guy was still alive and it does look like he lied about Ventura in his book. Awful lot of witnesses backed Ventura.

 
:confused: What happened to Jesse Ventura?
He finally went full blown crazy.
Successfully sued the widow of a deceased soldier for slander this year. Neat guy.
Not that I want to defend Jesse Ventura but should widows of deceased soldiers be exempt from slander legislation?
No, he was successful. But I reserve the right to have a negative opinion of him for doing so.
Well to be fair IIRC the suit started while the guy was still alive and it does look like he lied about Ventura in his book. Awful lot of witnesses backed Ventura.
Agree. The guy was able to make money slandering Ventura. Why shouldn't he be able to take some of that as well?

 
Arian Foster goes in on Budweiser, pretty much nails it:

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Lol ok, alcohol company. RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Selling poison on that high horse.

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 43s

Domestic violence and alcohol damn near synonymous.
If question anyone who considers the drinking of a legal beverage (responsibly) with DV
Apparently you take things too literally and/or missed the word "near"?

 
dparker713 said:
Tom Skerritt said:
Nike is now out on the Vikings.

Anheiser-Busch voicing displeasure.

Peterson is finished for the foreseeable future.
Nike is not out. They're removing Peterson merchandise from store shelves in the Twin Cities.

Anheiser-Busch also voiced their displeasure at FIFA prior to the start of the World Cup - they didn't do anything though.
Other than change the laws in several states in Brazil regarding beer sales in stadiums?

 
Arian Foster goes in on Budweiser, pretty much nails it:

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Lol ok, alcohol company. RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement
Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Selling poison on that high horse.

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 43s
Domestic violence and alcohol damn near synonymous.
The NFL and Domestic violence are damn near synonymous as well :shrug:
As far as I know Arian Foster hasn't threatened to boycott the NFL over its treatment of domestic violence incidents, so no hypocrisy there.

 
Arian Foster goes in on Budweiser, pretty much nails it:

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Lol ok, alcohol company. RT @darrenrovell: NFL beer sponsor, Anheuser-Busch, issues strong statement
Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 2m

Selling poison on that high horse.

Arian Foster @ArianFoster · 43s
Domestic violence and alcohol damn near synonymous.
The NFL and Domestic violence are damn near synonymous as well :shrug:
The arrest rate for domestic violence by NFL players is lower than the national average based on work I've seen on 538.

 
Senator Al Franken to Vikings: Bench Adrian Peterson

One of Minnesota’s U.S. Senators has joined the state’s governor in urging the Vikings to deactivate Adrian Peterson.

Shortly after Governor Mark Dayton said the Vikings should not play Peterson while he is under indictment for injuring his son, Senator Al Franken released a statement saying the same.

“It was absolutely heartbreaking to hear about what happened to this child,” Franken said in a statement. “I’m a diehard Vikings fan, and watching the games on Sundays has been one of my favorite things to do since I was a kid. But this is just wrong, and I think the Vikings made the wrong decision here. This is in the hands of law enforcement now, and it must go through the judicial process, but I don’t believe Adrian Peterson should be allowed to play until that happens. A lot of kids look up to these players, and it’s not OK for the Vikings to send the signal that what happened is acceptable. This is bigger than a football game.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/16/senator-al-franken-to-vikings-bench-adrian-peterson/
 
SIDA! said:
NCCommish said:
SIDA! said:
SIDA! said:
RhymesMcJuice said:
timschochet said:
Hilts said:
I wish someone would stuff leaves in Tim's mouth and beat him bloody.
thanks. Do I know you?
Time to stop this crap. It's also 'ironic' that a thread about abuse contains personal attacks like this. If anyone doesn't like Tim's posts it's not that difficult to block them.
I have never blocked anyone, but wouldn't you still see the posts of people who quote him?Serious question, if someone was to go back and look at every FFA thread that is more than 2 pages in length since he became a member, what percentage of them would have a comment by him? Blocking Tim is tantamount to blocking the FFA.
Better question who cares?
When a guy seemingly posts in nearly every thread on the board and clearly demonstrates that he is too busy formulating the next post he is going to submit in lieu of actually reading posts that others have submitted, it gets a bit much.
For whom? It seems the same few people do more to damage to every thread Tim posts in complaining about him posting than his posting does.
There is a lot of that. That is the nature of the FFA for sure. You can say that about any poster who develops a reputation of some sort. Any thread started by MoP for example would have the same types of stuff. Smoo being a deadbeat. I dunno if that reputation even holds anymore. My activity here has plummeted over the years.I am hardly around anymore. Just pop in every now and then, primarily to keep tabs on a few soap operas (e.g. Arizona Ron) or when a major story seems to be filling the air waves to see what the chatter is. So, I am not keeping tabs on who is anti-Tim.

I don't think I have ever really said much about Tim. But I have experienced him in all his glory. The dude just loves to type and hear himself talk/think. I have no problem with anyone who has an opinion. Even those who differ from mine. But when you are seemingly more interested in typing out what you want to say or what you think instead of actually reading and digesting what others write, it gets a bit much. For whom? Well, for me, for one.
this will be my last post on this subject because it bores me to death and because you're hijacking the thread, but you're full of ####. I don't know much about you, but you know even less about me. The claim that I don't read other posts is both wrong and ignorant.
 

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