Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thread (2 Viewers)

[Mario Kart]

Yeah, most rational people are concerned with climate change.

Thoughts and prayers will be sent by the thousands, I'm sure.

 

[parasaurolophus]

So the problem is addressing a catastrophe before it happens?

No. 

 

[-fish-]

No. 

Cool. Glad you agree with the city government of Miami, the voters of Miami, climate scientists and AOC that something needs to be done before the city is significantly damaged by rising sea levels and storm surge

 

[parasaurolophus]

Cool. Glad you agree with the city government of Miami, the voters of Miami, climate scientists and AOC that something needs to be done before the city is significantly damaged by rising sea levels and storm surge

What does that have to do with AOC? 

 

[-fish-]

What does that have to do with AOC? 

Jonmx attempted to ridicule her for her concerns about the effect of rising sea levels in Miami.   You joined.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Jonmx attempted to ridicule her for her concerns about the effect of rising sea levels in Miami.   You joined.

I think you are making that up. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

Jonmx attempted to ridicule her for her concerns about the effect of rising sea levels in Miami.   You joined.

She was wrong to say "a few years".  I assume she knows that's not true.  I don't know if she misspoke or was being hyperbolic or something.  Anyway, she should try to be more careful in the future especially considering how carefully conservatives seem to hang on her every word.

 

[parasaurolophus]

She was wrong to say "a few years".  I assume she knows that's not true.  I don't know if she misspoke or was being hyperbolic or something.  Anyway, she should try to be more careful in the future especially considering how carefully conservatives seem to hang on her every word.

When you think the world will end in 12 years, of course you think miami is gone in 3. 

 

[Da Guru]

That's dumb, but not dangerous.  

And AOC is the same person who started with the "border control = Nazi Germany" thing, so she doesn't get to complain when somebody plays the same stupid hyperbole game against her.

AOC is dumb but not dangerous.  AOC is the lefts Sarah Palin with all the stupid things she says...Palin had the potential to be dangerous had McCain been elected but thankfully that never came to play. .

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

As I wrote my last post, I sort of had an epiphany: it occurred to me why AOC’s Green New Deal plans will never work under our form of government. It’s because the positive results of those plans- slowing down climate change- are invisible to the naked eye. So even if these restrictions are enacted, there’s just going to be some conservatives running for office a few years down the road with the purpose of repealing them, and they’ll be elected because the public won’t see any noticeable good result of the restrictions- even if climate change gets worse. 

The two greatest government technological achievements of the last century- the Manhattan Project and the space program- had one important element in common- they didn’t affect people’s lives. It seems to me that if we’re going to combat climate change, we have to do it somehow outside of people’s daily lives, which means coming up with new technologies and then offering relatively painless transition. Is this possible? I don’t know. 

You are forgetting the "New Deal" part of the "Green New Deal".    This isn't the Manhattan Project or the moon shot where we are in a race to invent new things but a program to reshape the nation in much the same as the public works aspects of the New Deal brought roads and bridges and dams and schools and electric and phone lines and etc., etc..   Similarly the "Green New Deal" includes repairing and upgrading the infrastructure of the country including high speed rail, upgrading to a "smart" power grid, overhauling existing buildings, etc. which all have tangible benefits.   It is also similar to the "New Deal" in providing relief to the masses that are being displaced by the new economies.   The "relief" aspects of the "Green New Deal" of a UBI, M4A, and a job guarantee provide very real security to most of the population.   So while these "relief" parts are ignorantly criticized as having nothing to do with going green, they combine with the public works program to bring that noticeable benefit.   Maybe I have missed it, but the one aspect of the New Deal missing from the Green New Deal is an analogy to the end of prohibition.  Doesn't seem that hard to figure that one out.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

If AOC said a “few years” instead of 80 years THAT’S STILL CLOSER TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THAN THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN POSITION.

 

[-fish-]

If AOC said a “few years” instead of 80 years THAT’S STILL CLOSER TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THAN THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN POSITION.

Anything that isn’t outright denial is.

 

[jon_mx]

If AOC said a “few years” instead of 80 years THAT’S STILL CLOSER TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THAN THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN POSITION.

What is the mainstream republican position?  You realize most Repiblicans believe that global warming is happening and support investment and tax credits in renewable energy as well as many other actions to combat climate change change.  AOC's loony tunes fear-mongering is not closer to the truth and putting it in all CAPS does not make it so.  

The reason the left is not winning the debate and getting things done is the fear-mongering and obscene solutions are turning people off. 

 

[timschochet]

What is the mainstream republican position?  You realize most Repiblicans believe that global warming is happening and support investment and tax credits in renewable energy as well as many other actions to combat climate change change.  AOC's loony tunes fear-mongering is not closer to the truth and putting it in all CAPS does not make it so.  

The reason the left is not winning the debate and getting things done is the fear-mongering and obscene solutions are turning people off. 

First I think you completely misrepresent the majority Republican view on this issue. Second, that view, one way or the other, is irrelevant because the Republicans who count- the President and those in the Senate and House- have been complete obstructionist on this issue. 

Finally your second paragraph is 100% false. The Democratic Party, of which AOC is only one small part of with a minority point of view, is absolutely winning the climate change argument and, per every poll, the vast majority of the American people are with them. 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

 Second, that view, one way or the other, is irrelevant because the Republicans who count- the President and those in the Senate and House- have been complete obstructionist on this issue.

100%.

 

[jon_mx]

First I think you completely misrepresent the majority Republican view on this issue. Second, that view, one way or the other, is irrelevant because the Republicans who count- the President and those in the Senate and House- have been complete obstructionist on this issue. 

Finally your second paragraph is 100% false. The Democratic Party, of which AOC is only one small part of with a minority point of view, is absolutely winning the climate change argument and, per every poll, the vast majority of the American people are with them. 

1.  I provided the link to the polling which supports my statements.

2.  Your logic is Trumponian.  If you want to talk about what is Trump's position, call it that.  Don't lie about it and call the mainstream Republican position.  Words have meaning.  Stop it with the BS generalizations.

3.  My statement was accurate.  There is virtually nothing getting done on the national level, which is what I meant by you are losing the arguement.  Having a majority of public opinion but not producing policy is not winning in my book. 

This forum is so ####### combative.  Would you be happy if I described some of AOC's positions as the mainstream Democratic view.   Unfortunately this is where we are at.  Both sides have no issues with exaggerating or even lying about the other side. 

 

[-fish-]

How about explaining why you mocked AOC for her discussion of rising sea levels being a threat to Miami?  Was it because she has a more aggressive timeline, or because you deny it is happening?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

What is the mainstream republican position?  You realize most Repiblicans believe that global warming is happening and support investment and tax credits in renewable energy as well as many other actions to combat climate change change.  AOC's loony tunes fear-mongering is not closer to the truth and putting it in all CAPS does not make it so.  

The reason the left is not winning the debate and getting things done is the fear-mongering and obscene solutions are turning people off. 

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/gop-climate-platform-gets-crazier-every-election.html

 

[parasaurolophus]

If AOC said a “few years” instead of 80 years THAT’S STILL CLOSER TO THE RIGHT ANSWER THAN THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN POSITION.

So what???? You guys are acting like wackadoodles. 

If a guy in the shark pool said that Terry Bradshaw was the all time leader for nfl td passes would you stick up for his answer because he threw a lot of td passes or because somebody else thought that steve young was the all time leader? 

Of course not. If the guy backtracked and said, the overall point i was trying to make was that TB threw a lot of td's and led pitt. to 4 super bowls we wouldnt say "right on!"

Only a crazed die hard steeler fan would defend this...

 

[The Commish]

What is the mainstream republican position?  You realize most Repiblicans believe that global warming is happening and support investment and tax credits in renewable energy as well as many other actions to combat climate change change.  AOC's loony tunes fear-mongering is not closer to the truth and putting it in all CAPS does not make it so.  

The reason the left is not winning the debate and getting things done is the fear-mongering and obscene solutions are turning people off. 

It's one thing to write down on paper that you believe X.  It's another to hold your politicians accountable in making X happen.  Actions always speak louder than words.  I see virtually ZERO pushback by the GOP or it's constituents in rolling back or blocking legislation to affect the mechanisms of climate change in any meaningful way.  In fact, all the action happening today is showing the opposite of addressing climate change.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I’ll contradict others in this thread. Yes. I’ve never been to a shooting range that didn’t also rent firearms. And I’ve been to dozens. 

I've been to two such ranges out of the dozens I have been to, outside of police or military ranges.  Both were very rural. both were completely out doors and so small that they did not also sell ammo or firearms, literally range only, they did not even sell targets or have a soft drink machine and the restroom was simply a porta-potty.

 

[jon_mx]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/gop-climate-platform-gets-crazier-every-election.html

A draft version of a political platform hardly represents the mainstream party views.  They are written by very active people in each party who tend to be extremists and as a draft this is even more extreme.  Would you sign up to every draft platform as being representative of what mainstream democrats believe? 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

You know there really was some news about AOC tonight, of a particularly offensive nature . I’m not surprised you chose to ignore it, though: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/3kxaby/republican-attack-ad-burns-aoc-and-compares-her-to-the-khmer-rouge

Sad, what is not beyond the pale anymore.  Well this still is for me.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

AOC saying she can't sleep at night worrying about climate change.  

She needs a vigorous and tension relieving workout before bed.  Something to tire and relax her

 

[Henry Ford]

I've been to two such ranges out of the dozens I have been to, outside of police or military ranges.  Both were very rural. both were completely out doors and so small that they did not also sell ammo or firearms, literally range only, they did not even sell targets or have a soft drink machine and the restroom was simply a porta-potty.

I think that’s just called an empty field.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I think that’s just called an empty field.

Very nearly so.  Some berms to back the target areas and a firing line defined by old picnic tables and no safety officer but a timer giving 5 minutes every 15 minutes to go down range and change targets. (A green light red light system totally automated.  BTW you can't get to and back from a 600 yard target in 5 minutes strolling.  You either jog out or take your ATV.)

 

[Henry Ford]

A draft version of a political platform hardly represents the mainstream party views.  They are written by very active people in each party who tend to be extremists and as a draft this is even more extreme.  Would you sign up to every draft platform as being representative of what mainstream democrats believe? 

Draft? No. If it makes the final version, yes. 

 

[timschochet]

A draft version of a political platform hardly represents the mainstream party views.  They are written by very active people in each party who tend to be extremists and as a draft this is even more extreme.  Would you sign up to every draft platform as being representative of what mainstream democrats believe? 

Your argument is just so disingenuous. Yes, an increased number of Republicans are FINALLY willing to admit it might be happening, after years in which you attempted to deny it (I use the word “You” inclusively here because in past threads you were a very vocal denier), but the skepticism among conservatives remains strong: 

https://grist.org/article/climate-change-is-the-one-area-of-science-republicans-tend-to-doubt/

And let’s not forget that the deniers continue to include the most influential people in the conservative movement: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham Michael Savage, Lou Dobbs, Ann Coulter, Dennis Prager, Michelle Malkin, the cast of Fox and Friends.....

......and, of course, Donald Trump. 

 

[sho nuff]

And yes...if this POTUS is pushing something with no pushback from the party...it is the mainstream republican position.  Until they actually oppose his crap, thats how it goes.

 

[Henry Ford]

Also, jon, that “draft” article was from 2016 and the language was ratified that year and has been on the GOP website as its official platform for three years. 

 

[jon_mx]

1.  I provided the link to the polling which supports my statements.

2.  Your logic is Trumponian.  If you want to talk about what is Trump's position, call it that.  Don't lie about it and call the mainstream Republican position.  Words have meaning.  Stop it with the BS generalizations.

3.  My statement was accurate.  There is virtually nothing getting done on the national level, which is what I meant by you are losing the arguement.  Having a majority of public opinion but not producing policy is not winning in my book. 

This forum is so ####### combative.  Would you be happy if I described some of AOC's positions as the mainstream Democratic view.   Unfortunately this is where we are at.  Both sides have no issues with exaggerating or even lying about the other side. 

@sho nuff cowardly responds with a laugh.   Cesspool.  

 

[sho nuff]

@sho nuff cowardly responds with a laugh.   Cesspool.  

We complaining about the like button now?

And responding with calling someone cowardly?

 

[jon_mx]

We complaining about the like button now?

And responding with calling someone cowardly?

It was deserved.  The laughing icon is fine when you arr laughing at something funny someone side.  When you use it to mock a poster, it is trolling and cowardly.  If you want to refute something, refute it.  

 

[timschochet]

It was deserved.  The laughing icon is fine when you arr laughing at something funny someone side.  When you use it to mock a poster, it is trolling and cowardly.  If you want to refute something, refute it.  

This is very true. However, your complaint about it here...seems selective. 

 

[Juxtatarot]

We complaining about the like button now?

And responding with calling someone cowardly?

Joe almost didn’t allow the laughing like button out of concern people would use it inappropriately like you did.  You should stop that for the future.

 

[sho nuff]

It was deserved.  The laughing icon is fine when you arr laughing at something funny someone side.  When you use it to mock a poster, it is trolling and cowardly.  If you want to refute something, refute it.  

Considering how often direct questions get ignored...I laughed instead.  Seemed appropriate than getting into a long back and forth.

So yes...it was a laughable post and now even more laughable whining and teyjng to get personal about the like button icons while complaining about the discourse on the board.

Have a nice day.

 

[sho nuff]

Joe almost didn’t allow the laughing like button out of concern people would use it inappropriately like you did.  You should stop that for the future.

People are really that sensitive that the like button icons are an issue?  

His post was funny because of how ridiculous it was.  I further posted after that to address his point #2.

 

[John Blutarsky]

Considering how often direct questions get ignored...I laughed instead.  Seemed appropriate than getting into a long back and forth.

So yes...it was a laughable post and now even more laughable whining and teyjng to get personal about the like button icons while complaining about the discourse on the board.

Have a nice day.

Chef Sho always stirring the pot. You do understand calling his post laughable is getting personal? 

 

[Juxtatarot]

People are really that sensitive that the like button icons are an issue?  

It’s really the same as all the   issues we used to have. It does nothing to advance the conversation  but can piss people off.

 

[Henry Ford]

I swear I thought I saw an argument about how people on the left are too sensitive because they complain about the laughing emoji this past week.  Maybe we can make that its own thread, just back and forth as to which political side is most upset by it. 

 

[Henry Ford]

(Or I guess we could all stop trying to rile each other up and insult each other, but that seems unlikely)

 

[John Blutarsky]

I swear I thought I saw an argument about how people on the left are too sensitive because they complain about the laughing emoji this past week.  Maybe we can make that its own thread, just back and forth as to which political side is most upset by it. 

The main person offended about the laughing emoji was Squistion. 

 

[sho nuff]

I find it for more offensive that a bunch of Democratic presidential candidate call Republicans white supremacist.  You only give a #### about right-wing rhetoric.  

Which republicans were called that and by who?

The laughable part is also this...accuse a party of this and a person of only caring about one thing (and ignore questions about the post).

Complain about like button icon.

It shows a strong lack of consistency among some posters who complain so much about the board yet sling insults and other blanket accusations without backing them up when asked.  Id argue doing so is much worse than what like button icon was used.

Anyway...have a good day.  Not worth getting suspended over that.

 

[Henry Ford]

The main person offended about the laughing emoji was Squistion. 

You may want to read this page over again. Jon seems... let’s go with “highly agitated” by it. 

 

[John Blutarsky]

You may want to read this page over again. Jon seems... let’s go with “highly agitated” by it. 

You may want to read my post again. I was referring to the laughing emoji, not the like button. Have a great day Henry. 

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Given that we don't allow "" responses to posts, it seems like should also disallow the use of the laughing emoji for the exact same purpose.  Juxt has this exactly right IMO.

 

[the moops]

You do understand calling his post laughable is getting personal? 

This is a pretty low bar you are setting here. 

 

[Henry Ford]

You may want to read my post again. I was referring to the laughing emoji, not the like button. Have a great day Henry. 

I’m sorry, you’re probably right. What should we call the little picture of a laughing person generated by the like button? Obviously it isn’t an emoji, that was silly of me. 

 

[jonessed]

When you think the world will end in 12 years, of course you think miami is gone in 3. 

Yeah.  I’m beginning to think she really believes the twelve year thing.

 

[Sand]

No doubt the initial impression of her tweet was meant to shock and draw the reader to the article. The article, then, was very clear about the difference. Unfortunately many people never made it to the article.

Chakrabarti does write well.