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Not the taxpayers, certainly, either way!All prisons are for profit. The only difference is who profits.
Not the taxpayers, certainly, either way!All prisons are for profit. The only difference is who profits.
I believe private prisons do a fair amount of lobbying and make substantial campaign contributions.supermike80 said:How does the prison have a role in keeping inmates in prison longer?
And how does that keep people in prison longer. Are you saying private prisons have an affect on sentencing? Parole?I believe private prisons do a fair amount of lobbying and make substantial campaign contributions.
In state systems with elected judges, yes I think private prisons create an incentive for longer sentences.And how does that keep people in prison longer. Are you saying private prisons have an affect on sentencing? Parole?
With as many incarcerated prisons we have now, and the overcrowding that you hear about everyday, what is the incentive actually to keep people longer? Rather than just flippign them for new ones?
Nope..Unless this can be backed up. I'm gonna say I don't believe this. Not saying it isn't true, but I need some kind of evidence to back that claim up.In state systems with elected judges, yes I think private prisons create an incentive for longer sentences.
In the federal system I don’t think private prisons influence judges but they do influence legislators. Mandatory minimum laws, for example, are the type of issue that private prisons are likely to support with campaign contributions.
I believe this is correct, but I believe that public prison guard unions do even more lobbying (for the same types of policies), so this is a problem with the prison-industrial complex in general, not private prisons specifically.I believe private prisons do a fair amount of lobbying and make substantial campaign contributions.
For-profit Prisons: Top Recipients | OpenSecrets
Top 20 Recipients
RankCandidateOfficeAmount
1Scott, Rick (R-FL)$75,850
2Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)House$61,450
3Culberson, John (R-TX)House$47,400
4Cuellar, Henry (D-TX)House$40,900
5Carter, John (R-TX)House$38,100
6Lee, Mike (R-UT)Senate$25,000
7Cruz, Ted (R-TX)Senate$17,450
8McSally, Martha (R-AZ)House$17,250
9Yoder, Kevin (R-KS)House$15,000
9Graves, Tom (R-GA)House$15,000
11Taylor, Scott (R-VA)House$13,000
12Bishop, Sanford (D-GA)House$12,000
13Rose, John (R-TN)$11,900
14Heller, Dean (R-NV)Senate$11,100
15Hawley, Josh (R-MO)$11,000
16Curbelo, Carlos (R-FL)House$10,200
17Coffman, Mike (R-CO)House$10,000
17Cornyn, John (R-TX)Senate$10,000
17Cole, Tom (R-OK)House$10,000
20McCaul, Michael (R-TX)House$8,500
20Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT)Senate$8,500
20Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)Senate$8,500
20Pence, Greg (R-IN)$8,500
She supports the Green New Deal which created a lot of discussion points a year or so ago about the sections that covers displaced workers with health care, minimum incomes, and guaranteed jobs.Quint said:Part of “prison reduction” will have to include elimination of jobs for correctional officers. Did AOC mention a plan for how to make sure these people find their way to new employment opportunities?
And it has been mentioned upthread, but keeping correctional officers employed is a really terrible reason for incarceration. Perhaps we should not seek cures for cancer because we need to keep oncologists employedShe supports the Green New Deal which created a lot of discussion points a year or so ago about the sections that covers displaced workers with health care, minimum incomes, and guaranteed jobs.Quint said:Part of “prison reduction” will have to include elimination of jobs for correctional officers. Did AOC mention a plan for how to make sure these people find their way to new employment opportunities?
That's really not that much. AOC must go to an main stream american salon. My wife has spent more for a haircut and h/l-lights.
I kind of liked her comeback on twitter:
She is just as relevant now as she was before.She is nearly irrelevant without her puppet master feeding her material and promoting her. She still has name recognition.
####### socialists.She got a haircut though! And paid money for it!
She was the voice of the progressive movement.She is just as relevant now as she was before.
She is just as relevant now as she was before.She is nearly irrelevant without her puppet master feeding her material and promoting her. She still has name recognition.
I don't get it. Are you saying she's irrelevant because she's no longer the voice of the progressive movement, or maybe that the progressive movement itself is no longer relevant?She was the voice of the progressive movement.
She was whining while in a congressional hearing about her student loans.Grace Under Pressure said:She got a haircut though! And paid money for it!
No, I meant her literal puppet master Saikat Chakrabarti. He auditioned AOC to run. He raised all her money. He told her what to say and what issues to promote. He authored the New Green Deal. He promoted her and got her access to all the progressive media. But then he pissed off Pelosi and Pelosi had a Pow Wow with AOC which lead to Saikat leaving her campaign a while back. Now AOC lacks much direction and has a lot less bite. She is more delegated to just saying dumb stuff which is irrelevant. Sure Fox still makes fun of her and she is still famous, but she will not be driving the progressive agenda like Saikat was using her for.Stuart_Little said:Luckily, I seem to have missed whatever "without her puppet master feeding her material and promoting her" is referring to. Did she piss off George Soros or something?
Literal puppet master?No, I meant her literal puppet master Saikat Chakrabarti. He auditioned AOC to run. He raised all her money. He told her what to say and what issues to promote. He authored the New Green Deal. He promoted her and got her access to all the progressive media. But then he pissed off Pelosi and Pelosi had a Pow Wow with AOC which lead to Saikat leaving her campaign a while back. Now AOC lacks much direction and has a lot less bite. She is more delegated to just saying dumb stuff which is irrelevant. Sure Fox still makes fun of her and she is still famous, but she will not be driving the progressive agenda like Saikat was using her for.
It’s pathetic considering everything else going on right now.I hope you have that paragraph typed up somewhere. Could have saved yourself a lot of keystrokes considering you have typed the same damn thing a few dozen times in this very thread
Of course, call it pathetic, that is how the cesspool responds. But every word is true. There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat. His whole plan which he was quite open about, was to create as many of these progressive clone candidates as possible to run in every district to enact his progressive agenda using his cookie cutter system. That is not a crazy theory, that is his stated plan. He would recruit them, give them a all the issues to run on, and obtain all the necessary finances for them, put together their oganization and get them on the ballot. There might have been bits and pieces of this done before, but never anywhere even remotely to this extent. If this isn't a puppet, then nothing is.It’s pathetic considering everything else going on right now.
Ironically, that is Saikat's plan, to cut and paste his clone puppet candidates using his system in every district possible.I hope you have that paragraph typed up somewhere. Could have saved yourself a lot of keystrokes considering you have typed the same damn thing a few dozen times in this very thread
This is all made up. It’s not worth engaging you on this because when I’ve tried in the past you don’t seem to do so in good faith, so carry on with your nonsense. I just wanted to make sure any impressionable youngsters reading this thread aren’t taken in by your narrative.Of course, call it pathetic, that is how the cesspool responds. But every word is true. There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat. His whole plan which he was quite open about, was to create as many of these progressive clone candidates as possible to run in every district to enact his progressive agenda using his cookie cutter system. That is not a crazy theory, that is his stated plan. He would recruit them, give them a all the issues to run on, and obtain all the necessary finances for them, put together their oganization and get them on the ballot. There might have been bits and pieces of this done before, but never anywhere even remotely to this extent. If this isn't a puppet, then nothing is.
This is all made up. It’s not worth engaging you on this because when I’ve tried in the past you don’t seem to do so in good faith, so carry on with your nonsense. I just wanted to make sure any impressionable youngsters reading this thread aren’t taken in by your narrative.
OK there actually is a PAC you got me.BNC is a post-partisan federal political action committee supporting Democrats, Republicans and Independents who push for progressive legislation such as Medicare for All, $15 minimum wage, clean energy initiatives, tuition-free education, abolition of ICE and others. All BNC candidates have taken a pledge to refuse corporate PAC dollars.
Lol @ jon made it up.
I'm not seeing $250 worth of results. Still, her money, her style, her choice. If she's happy with the results and finds worth in it, more power to her.Gawain said:
Those are characterizations of all the facts I outlined. Can you name a PAC which did all of the following?OK there actually is a PAC you got me.
Now provide support for:
"There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat."
or
"There might have been bits and pieces of this done before, but never anywhere even remotely to this extent."
Emerge Colorado, a subsidiary organization of Emerge America.Those are characterizations of all the facts I outlined. Can you name a PAC which did all of the following?
1. Reviewed 10's of thousands of applicants to find a few select candidates
2. Picked candidates based on willingness to accept their agenda, charisma, race, and gender
3. Provided the organization which would raise all their funds
4. Crafted a massive plan which would restructure our entire economy.
5. Recruited their staff and became their campaign manager.
6. Provided them access to major media coverage.
Those are all documented facts, not "That is all made up" as you falsely claimed before degrading me personally. I have never heard of an organization which did all that for a candidate. If you have knowledge of such, please provide it without all your FAKE NEWS trumponian rhetoric.
Sorry, we went through this exercise before it’s not happening again. It’s just a PAC.Those are characterizations of all the facts I outlined. Can you name a PAC which did all of the following?
1. Reviewed 10's of thousands of applicants to find a few select candidates
2. Picked candidates based on willingness to accept their agenda, charisma, race, and gender
3. Provided the organization which would raise all their funds
4. Crafted a massive plan which would restructure our entire economy.
5. Recruited their staff and became their campaign manager.
6. Provided them access to major media coverage.
Those are all documented facts, not "That is all made up" as you falsely claimed before degrading me personally. I have never heard of an organization which did all that for a candidate. If you have knowledge of such, please provide it without all your FAKE NEWS trumponian rhetoric.
Stupid story. But points out how irrelevant she is becoming. She used to get attention from all the wild proposals and far-left progressive positions she would tweet. Lately it has been just personal jibes and now sort of expensive hair styles.I'm not seeing $250 worth of results. Still, her money, her style, her choice. If she's happy with the results and finds worth in it, more power to her.
And you won't acknowledge how unusal it is. There is a reason Pelosi had AOC remove Saikat as her campaign manager. He is a political threat to Democrats, not 'just a PAC.'Sorry, we went through this exercise before it’s not happening again. It’s just a PAC.
There is a reason who did what now?And you won't acknowledge how unusal it is. There is a reason Pelosi had AOC remove Saikat as her campaign manager. He is a political threat to Democrats, not 'just a PAC.'
Similar concept (also from the progressive left side), but they train candidates to do their own thing. Saikat's principle is to provide all the infrastructure and do all the background work and have the candidate be the face of his movement. To my knowledge, this had never been done before.Emerge Colorado, a subsidiary organization of Emerge America.
Pelosi instigated Saikat resigning as AOC campaign chair.There is a reason who did what now?
A week later Saikat was off of AOC's staff.Saikat Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, went after Pelosi in a series of tweets over the weekend, criticizing everything from her comments on the squad to her stance against impeachment. Chakrabarti also tweeted scathing criticism of the Blue Dogs, calling them the "New Southern Democrats."
"They certainly seem hell bent to do black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s," Chakrabarti wrote on Twitter before deleting the post.
This is you calling the right play in the huddle. Over the next series of posts, you audibled into the wrong play at the LOS.It’s not worth engaging you on this because when I’ve tried in the past you don’t seem to do so in good faith, so carry on with your nonsense.
I know very little about Saikat, but having studied American political history for some time, I very much doubt the validity of this statement.There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat.
I did not, but AOC was very effective at getting national attention to his agenda, so the particular timing to the Pelosi meeting was quite notable. You keep calling these 'fairy tale", but yet i provide reliable sources for each thing I post:. The only part which is a fantasy is getting an honest discussion here without all the ####### nonsense.I can’t believe I’m getting sucked into this again. Last post.
But if this great Svengali-like character’s entire objective is to elect AOC clones all over the country, why in the world would you expect him to be AOC’s chief of staff forever? It doesn’t even seem like your fairy tale is consistent.
Brand New Congress LLC, initially called Brand New Campaign LLC, was formed by Chakrabarti to serve as a “campaign in a box, a one-stop vendor for communications, field, online organizing, fundraising and the like,
Well obviously from all your studies you can point me to a few examples of candidates who had to do nothing except to be the face of someone else's agenda. Being recruited to run through a massive campaign. All fundraising done for you. No creating organizations, having your campaign completely staffed. Being spoon-feed agendas. Where did all this happen before? Granted, pieces of all these have been done, but never the complete package and to this extent.I know very little about Saikat, but having studied American political history for some time, I very much doubt the validity of this statement.
Assuming all of your information is correct (and I have no idea, but having listened plenty to AOC I rather doubt it), I’d still have to take issue given that a Congresswoman, or even more than one, is a relatively low position compared to a Senator or President or Governor.Well obviously from all your studies you can point me to a few examples of candidates who had to do nothing except to be the face of someone else's agenda. Being recruited to run through a massive campaign. All fundraising done for you. No creating organizations, having your campaign completely staffed. Being spoon-feed agendas. Where did all this happen before? Granted, pieces of all these have been done, but never the complete package and to this extent.
Tim, AOC is a sharp individual and can quickly think on her feet. But the stuff AOC says in public and tweets is stuff the Saikat has tweeted before or has stated in the progressive media. AOC played zero role in crafting her Green New Deal. The ideas she promotes came from Saikat. She is not a Senator or a President, no doubt. But she did for many months dominate media coverage and drive national discussions on issues. That is power. AOC is an interesting person and how Saikat made her is potentially revolutionary.Assuming all of your information is correct (and I have no idea, but having listened plenty to AOC I rather doubt it), I’d still have to take issue given that a Congresswoman, or even more than one, is a relatively low position compared to a Senator or President or Governor.
My family is all liberal. AOC speaks for none of us.Assuming all of your information is correct (and I have no idea, but having listened plenty to AOC I rather doubt it), I’d still have to take issue given that a Congresswoman, or even more than one, is a relatively low position compared to a Senator or President or Governor.