All Time Soccer/Football Draft and Tourney (1 Viewer)

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Great run, fellas.  

 

[Lehigh98]

2.04 - Bobby Moore

England - Center Back

Moving to the back to start off my defense with one of the greats.

Robert Frederick Chelsea "Bobby" Moore captained West Ham United for more than ten years and was captain of the England team that won the 1966 World Cup. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest defenders of all time, and was cited by Pelé as the greatest defender that he had ever played against. Moore is a member of the World Team of the 20th Century.

He won a total of 108 caps for the England team, which at the time of his international retirement in 1973 was a national record.

"My captain, my leader, my right-hand man. He was the spirit and the heartbeat of the team. A cool, calculating footballer I could trust with my life. He was the supreme professional, the best I ever worked with. Without him England would never have won the World Cup." Alf Ramsey

"He was my friend as well as the greatest defender I ever played against. The world has lost one of its greatest football players and an honourable gentleman." Pelé

"Moore was the best defender I have ever seen." Sir Alex Ferguson

"Bobby Moore was the best defender in the history of the game" Franz Beckenbauer

"There should be a law against him. He knows what's happening 20 minutes before everyone else." Jock Stein

"Immaculate footballer. Imperial defender. Immortal hero of 1966. First Englishman to raise the World Cup aloft. Favourite son of London's East End. Finest legend of West Ham United. National Treasure. Master of Wembley. Lord of the game. Captain extraordinary. Gentleman of all time." Inscription on the pedestal of the statue at Wembley Stadium.

Up next: @shader

 

[Brady Marino]

Craaaaaap Was hoping Moore would fall a bit longer.

 

[shader]

2.05 Roberto Baggio

I feel like I have to complement Eusebio with a creative playmaker who can also score.  I like scoring goals and at the height of his game, Baggio was the best in the world.  

Baggio/Eusebio give me a 1-2 punch that should allow me to score goals against anyone.  Plus Baggio was a wizard on free kicks, and Eusebio can take penalties.


"Roberto Baggio was the best Italian fantasista; he was better than Meazza and Boniperti, and he was amongst the greatest of all time, right behind Maradona, Pelé, and maybe Cruyff. Without the injury problems and the difficulties with his knees, he would have been the very best player in history."


—Carlo Mazzone. 

@Sinn Fein

 

[Sinn Fein]

2.06 Gerd Muller - Der Bomber

   Stockily built Müller had a special talent for scoring. Virtually all his goals came from inside the penalty area and most of them out of nothing. Twisting and turning away from defenders and great positioning helped him score an incredible 68 goals in only 62 appearances for his country and 365 goals in 427 Bundesliga games which enabled him to top the scoring charts seven seasons.

    The World Cup in Mexico 1970 saw "Der Bomber" at his very best. He knocked in 10 goals in 6 matches including successive hat-tricks against Bulgaria and Peru. It earned him the Golden Boot as topscorer and later a European Player of the Year Award, but there was no World Cup winning medal to go with it. Italy won 4-3 - despite two Müller goals - in a dramatic semifinal which went to extra time.

Mullers 14 World Cup goals in 90 seconds

@El Floppo

 

[Bonzai]

I highly doubt that.

Why aren't you in on this?  Focusing on the league?

 

[AcerFC]

2.7


El Floppo


2.8


RHE


2.9


PIK95


2.10


((Morpheus))


2.11


Charvik


2.12


Eephus


2.13


AcerFC


2.14


Tasker/Gator


2.15


Brady Marino


2.16


jonessed


2.17


wdcrob

@El Floppo

 

[PIK95]

I'm in and out.  Someone text me if I come up.

 

[El Floppo]

still fuming about mattheus and r carlos... oh well. 

going to take the last bonafide legend and slam-dunk paradigm of their position left:

2.7: the black spider, Lev Yashin. GK

the rhinoing ruskie (I made that up), redefined the position from stasis to one of action/pro-action- charging off his line to grab anything and everything, along with supreme athleticism to cover his own goal. every modern GK owes their style of play to this guy, but very few if any could shine his shoes.

eta: oh... only GK to ever win the ballon d'or. BAM

@Ramsay Hunt Experience is up.

 

[Brady Marino]

2.05 Roberto Baggio

I feel like I have to complement Eusebio with a creative playmaker who can also score.  I like scoring goals and at the height of his game, Baggio was the best in the world.  

Baggio/Eusebio give me a 1-2 punch that should allow me to score goals against anyone.  Plus Baggio was a wizard on free kicks, and Eusebio can take penalties.


"Roberto Baggio was the best Italian fantasista; he was better than Meazza and Boniperti, and he was amongst the greatest of all time, right behind Maradona, Pelé, and maybe Cruyff. Without the injury problems and the difficulties with his knees, he would have been the very best player in history."


—Carlo Mazzone. 

@Sinn Fein

Please let him be your penalty kick taker. #neverforget1994

 

[PIK95]

I was gonna take the Spider.  Great pick!  How many pk's did he save?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Yup I debated on Yashin, but it felt like taking a kicker in the 2nd round....

Good pick.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Before I start going all VBD, I need a guy to just bang in goals.  I was hoping either he or Muller would fall to me.  He scored over a 1000 goals* in his career.  Like Zico, he did so mostly in Brazil but unlike Zico he also lit up European soccer with a big team, winning the Ballon D'Or with Cruyff's Dream Team at Barcelona.   He had 55 international goals in just 70 caps for Brazil, a truly amazing strike rate for a modern striker in the international game.  He won the Golden Ball at the 1994 World Cup, where his team hoisted the cup.  For our Football Manager players, he would have to be 18+ in that holy trinity of striker categories, Finishing, Composure, and Off the Ball movement.   He'd probably refuse to train and get pissed at me eventually, but I only need him for one tournament.  He ticks all the marks on the resume, but let's see what his peers thought.

"A genius of the goal area" -- Johann Cruyff

"One of the greatest players of all time, a master of the penalty area" -- Roberto Baggio

[Asked who was the best player he played against] "Either [him] or Van Basten" -- Maradona

"We're talking of one of the great centre-forwards. He's a master of the reduced space of the penalty area. A square metre for him is like an acre. Why? Low centre of gravity, powerful thighs so he can explode, wonderful finishing ability. Both because he's very proficient technically, but also because he's so cold in front of goal."  -- Tim Vickery -- BBC Football Analyst."

Romario

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I was gonna grab Romario to pair up with fat boy so that hurts.  Gonna switch it up and go with a left back.

Paolo Maldini Italy

He was picked by Sinn at 1.12

 

[shader]

I fell in love with Garrincha yesterday, read about him and watched old highlights.  Then in my double-check of selected players, I was shocked when I realized I overlooked him.  Quite disappointing, but half of the reason I'm doing this is that I'm learning about the greats of the game.

 

[AcerFC]

I was gonna grab Romario to pair up with fat boy so that hurts.  Gonna switch it up and go with a left back.

Paolo Maldini Italy

 

[Sinn Fein]

I was gonna grab Romario to pair up with fat boy so that hurts.  Gonna switch it up and go with a left back.

Paolo Maldini Italy

Great Pick!!

 

[PIK95]

You try and navigate the new bored on your phone at Red lights.  

 

[Native]

You try and navigate the new bored on your phone at Red lights.  

Understand. FYI Maradona and Messi are also gone so dont pick them either OK TIA 

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Garrincha and Best would probably also go back to back in the first round of the Greatest Alcoholics draft. 

 

[The Gator]

 


 


2.9


PIK95


2.10


((Morpheus))


2.11


Charvik


2.12


Eephus


2.13


AcerFC


2.14


Tasker/Gator


2.15


Brady Marino


2.16


jonessed


2.17


wdcrob

 

[Steve Tasker]

Really like the Bob Carlos and Maldini picks.  Surprised to see Maldini go so early, but I like it.

 

[AcerFC]

Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


1.1


wdcrob


Lionel Messi


AM (LCR) /F (LCR)


Argentina


1.2


jonessed


Pele


F


Brazil


1.3


Brady Marino


Cristiano Ronaldo


F (LCR)


Portugal


1.4


Tasker/Gator


Diego Maradona


AM


Argentina


1.5


AcerFC


Johan Cruyff


F


Netherlands


1.6


Eephus


Franz Beckenbauer


CB/DM (Libero?)


Germany


1.7


Charvik


Ferenc Puskas


IF


Hungary


1.8


((Morpheus))


Alfredo DiStefano


AM


Argentina


1.9


PIK95


Ronaldo


ST


Brazil


1.10


RHE


Zico


AM


Brazil


1.11


El Floppo


Zinedane Zidane


CM


France


1.12


Sinn Fein


Paolo Maldini


CB/LB


Italy


1.13


shader


Eusebio


F


Portugal


1.14


Lehigh98


Manuel Francisco do Santos


F


Brazil


1.15


Bonzai


George Best


M


Ireland


1.16


Native


Michael Plantini


M


France


1.17


Spartans Rule


Roberto Carlos


LB


Brazil


Round 2


Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


2.1


Spartans Rule


Lothar Matthaus


M


Germany


2.2


Native


Xavi


M


Spain


2.3


Bonzai


Marco Van Basten


F


Netherlands


2.4


Lehigh98


Bobby Moore


CB


England


2.5


shader


Roberto Baggio


F


Italy


2.6


Sinn Fein


Gerd Muller


F


Germany


2.7


El Floppo


Lev Yashin


GK


Russia


2.8


RHE


Romario


ST


Brazil

 

[The Gator]

Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


1.1


wdcrob


Lionel Messi


AM (LCR) /F (LCR)


Argentina


1.2


jonessed


Pele


F


Brazil


1.3


Brady Marino


Cristiano Ronaldo


F (LCR)


Portugal


1.4


Tasker/Gator


Diego Maradona


AM


Argentina


1.5


AcerFC


Johan Cruyff


F


Netherlands


1.6


Eephus


Franz Beckenbauer


CB/DM (Libero?)


Germany


1.7


Charvik


Ferenc Puskas


IF


Hungary


1.8


((Morpheus))


Alfredo DiStefano


AM


Argentina


1.9


PIK95


Ronaldo


ST


Brazil


1.10


RHE


Zico


AM


Brazil


1.11


El Floppo


Zinedane Zidane


CM


France


1.12


Sinn Fein


Paolo Maldini


CB/LB


Italy


1.13


shader


Eusebio


F


Portugal


1.14


Lehigh98


Manuel Francisco do Santos


F


Brazil


1.15


Bonzai


George Best


M


Ireland


1.16


Native


Michael Plantini


M


France


1.17


Spartans Rule


Roberto Carlos


LB


Brazil


Round 2


Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


2.1


Spartans Rule


Lothar Matthaus


M


Germany


2.2


Native


Xavi


M


Spain


2.3


Bonzai


Marco Van Basten


F


Netherlands


2.4


Lehigh98


Bobby Moore


CB


England


2.5


shader


Roberto Baggio


F


Italy


2.6


Sinn Fein


Gerd Muller


F


Germany


2.7


El Floppo


Lev Yashin


GK


Russia


2.8


RHE


Romario


ST


Brazil

 

[Brady Marino]

Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


1.1


wdcrob


Lionel Messi


AM (LCR) /F (LCR)


Argentina


1.2


jonessed


Pele


F


Brazil


1.3


Brady Marino


Cristiano Ronaldo


F (LCR)


Portugal


1.4


Tasker/Gator


Diego Maradona


AM


Argentina


1.5


AcerFC


Johan Cruyff


F


Netherlands


1.6


Eephus


Franz Beckenbauer


CB/DM (Libero?)


Germany


1.7


Charvik


Ferenc Puskas


IF


Hungary


1.8


((Morpheus))


Alfredo DiStefano


AM


Argentina


1.9


PIK95


Ronaldo


ST


Brazil


1.10


RHE


Zico


AM


Brazil


1.11


El Floppo


Zinedane Zidane


CM


France


1.12


Sinn Fein


Paolo Maldini


CB/LB


Italy


1.13


shader


Eusebio


F


Portugal


1.14


Lehigh98


Manuel Francisco do Santos


F


Brazil


1.15


Bonzai


George Best


M


Ireland


1.16


Native


Michael Plantini


M


France


1.17


Spartans Rule


Roberto Carlos


LB


Brazil


Round 2


Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


2.1


Spartans Rule


Lothar Matthaus


M


Germany


2.2


Native


Xavi


M


Spain


2.3


Bonzai


Marco Van Basten


F


Netherlands


2.4


Lehigh98


Bobby Moore


CB


England


2.5


shader


Roberto Baggio


F


Italy


2.6


Sinn Fein


Gerd Muller


F


Germany


2.7


El Floppo


Lev Yashin


GK


Russia


2.8


RHE


Romario


ST


Brazil



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[PIK95]

2.9 Ronaldinho-Left Wing 

 

[The Gator]

oops, not those guys 

@((Morpheus))

 

[Steve Tasker]

2.9 Ronaldinho-Left Wing 

Arguably #1 remaining on my board.  

I think people tend to forget how good he really was.

 

[Brady Marino]

Arguably #1 remaining on my board.  

I think people tend to forget how good he really was.

He was really, really good and for a while was in the discussion for "best Brazilian not named Pele" of all-time. He just really fell off over time, though. The 2006 World Cup disaster, then exclusions in 2010 and 2014 really hurt his rep.

 

[Sinn Fein]

He was really, really good and for a while was in the discussion for "best Brazilian not named Pele" of all-time. He just really fell off over time, though.

We are just playing a single tournament though, right?  We should be considering these guys on the basis of their best period - or is this a life-time achievement type of thing?

 

[Native]

BONZAI!!!! 

 

[AcerFC]

@Bonzai

@Rooney10

Was this a you are up ping?

If not, @((Morpheus)) is up

 

[The Gator]

Was this a you are up ping?

If not, @((Morpheus)) is up

just fixed it  

 

[The Gator]

Please, nobody take our player

you have no idea how much this means. the team fit is soooooooo perfect 

 

[AcerFC]

I believe we are on a 2 hour clock right now

 

[AcerFC]

@((Morpheus)) OTC til 1:13est

 

[Sinn Fein]

Please, nobody take our player

you have no idea how much this means. the team fit is soooooooo perfect 

You are drafting Arsene Klopp as your manager, aren't you?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Ronaldinho had great skills, but I do think his actual resume is a bit thin.  Two Ballon D'Ors, but really only 5 top notch club seasons.  One World Cup title, but as a contributor and not as the acknowledged star. One Champions League title.  Two La Liga titles.  One Serie A title in a year where he did nothing for Milan.  Some bad flameouts at the Olympics. 

 

[The Gator]

You are drafting Arsene Klopp as your manager, aren't you?

This is on our shortlist

 

[PIK95]

Ronaldinho had great skills, but I do think his actual resume is a bit thin.  Two Ballon D'Ors, but really only 5 top notch club seasons.  One World Cup title, but as a contributor and not as the acknowledged star. One Champions League title.  Two La Liga titles.  One Serie A title in a year where he did nothing for Milan.  Some bad flameouts at the Olympics. 

I have taken both of my guys assuming it's at their best.  Maybe we should have declared a year like wis?

Also, I like the idea of reuniting the two Rons on my attack.  Romario would have been slightly better imo.

 

[Brady Marino]

We are just playing a single tournament though, right?  We should be considering these guys on the basis of their best period - or is this a life-time achievement type of thing?

I was going by overall track record.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

We are going to field a narrow line-up, so our engineers are researching the viability of converting this to a football field.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I was going by overall track record.  

Should be interesting to see how it plays out - my criteria is basically how would they compare to each other in their peak (as opposed to how they compared to their peers).

 

[GROOT]

He was really, really good and for a while was in the discussion for "best Brazilian not named Pele" of all-time. He just really fell off over time, though. The 2006 World Cup disaster, then exclusions in 2010 and 2014 really hurt his rep.

believe me...his rep wasn't hurt

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I have taken both of my guys assuming it's at their best.  Maybe we should have declared a year like wis?

Also, I like the idea of reuniting the two Rons on my attack.  Romario would have been slightly better imo.

I think everyone should value players how they see fit.  There's no one formula to doing this.  Some will value team accomplishments.  Some will value flair (if you're going to show voters a YouTube video to make your case, Ronaldindho is obviously going to fare great).  Some will assume that older stars couldn't do the same things against modern athletes.  Others might not.  Some will try to take the team shape into account and others won't. 

I think we've got a decent spread with asomewhat understandable preference for players from the mid 80s to the early 2000s,  which is when a lot of us started following the game. 

 

[PIK95]

But you will be running some sort of simulation, right?  Will that be based on a certain year from the players?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

But you will be running some sort of simulation, right?  Will that be based on a certain year from the players?

Details are on the front page.  The simulation is loose and based on the poll voting results.  So selecting players that score well with voters with help you, as you'll be more likely to get positive results and avoid negative results.  But there is still a healthy amount of uncertainty and luck.  It's nothing so concrete as a WIS league. 

The tournament won't really answer "which team would win."  Hopefully, however, the tournament will allow us to create a fun, exciting narrative for everyone to follow. 

 

[charvik]

I think I'm up soon, but I just lost my internet connection due to lightning, so my response time might suffer. Please email me when I'm up, that way I won't miss it.

[email protected]

 

[((Morpheus))]

2.10 Franco Baresi

Goal scorers are easy to find, but solid defenders are worth their weight in gold. VBD would love this pick.

 

[shader]

I'm going with the assumption that we are going with players at their best.  So for me, I wont' be valuing guys that produced for 15 years as highly as guys that had 5 superstar years.  For instance, Baggio was considered the best player in world (apparently) for a few years and was an absolute stud, but he did have injury and knee problems that kept him from having a super long career.  For the purposes of this, I'll be rolling out with the younger Baggio.