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All Time Soccer/Football Draft and Tourney (2 Viewers)

AcerFC said:
I added a sheet on the doc for players taken by country because I was curious. Here is how it breaks down so far


 


 


 


Lothar Matthaus


M


Germany


Manuel Neuer


GK


Germany


 


 


 


Gerd Muller


F


West Germany


Franz Beckenbauer


CB/DM (Libero?)


West Germany
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Its probably best to just combine these imo. Mattaeus straddled the re-unification, played for West Germany and re-unified Germany.  Bayern's Matthias Sammer, who's selection is likely imminent, is one of the few players who played for East Germany and later Germany. Then there is Michael Ballack, born behind the iron curtain and played youth football in Chemnitz, but made his international debut for the Mannschaft well into the 90s.

 
((Morpheus)) said:
Agonized over him vs. Charlton
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from all accounts, meazza was skillwise pele before pele, and party-wise, best before best. reportedly asked for a free night during the WC after the team was sequestered for a while- took two French broads home.

plus, FORZA INTER

but yeah- Charlton- tough to pass up. was on my shortist list.

 
Sorry I keep getting sucked down the rabbit hole of looking through players.

"The Captain"... No, not Derek Jeter...

3.14 - Carlos Alberto Torres

Brazil - Right Back

He is widely regarded as one of the best defenders of all time. He captained Brazil national team to victory in the 1970 World Cup, scoring the fourth goal in the final, considered one of the greatest goals in the history of the tournament. (https://youtu.be/NZkR5Wb2KQs)

Carlos Alberto is a member of the World Team of the 20th Century, and in 2004 was named by Pelé in the FIFA 100 list of the world's greatest living players. He is an inductee to the Brazilian Football Museum Hall of Fame, and is a member of the U.S. National Soccer Hall of Fame.

Brazil were knocked out at the Group stage in England in 1966, and when Joao Saldanha was tasked with restoring pride and passion to the selecao, he recognised the leadership ability that Carlos Alberto was consistently demonstrating at Santos, and made him national captain. Thus, Carlos Alberto is remembered holding aloft the Jules Rimet trophy after Brazil secured the cup for good after an impressive victory over Italy in the final of the 1970 FIFA World Cup in Mexico.

Oops, almost forgot, also played with Pelé and the Cosmos... "In 1977, despite his success in Brazil, Carlos Alberto Torres decided to move to the New York Cosmos. He arrived on the day of the New York City blackout where he was reunited with his friend and partner Pelé and helped the Cosmos capture two consecutive NASL titles in 1977 and 1978. After spending one year with the California Surf, he returned to the Cosmos in 1982 where he won his third NASL title."

 
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3.15 Matthias Sammer

One of those 3 defensive Ballon d'Or winners.  Beckenbauer version 2.0.


Honours



Club


Dynamo Dresden

VfB Stuttgart

Borussia Dortmund


International


Germany


Individual



 
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CletiusMaximus said:
Its probably best to just combine these imo. Mattaeus straddled the re-unification, played for West Germany and re-unified Germany.  Bayern's Matthias Sammer, who's selection is likely imminent, is one of the few players who played for East Germany and later Germany. Then there is Michael Ballack, born behind the iron curtain and played youth football in Chemnitz, but made his international debut for the Mannschaft well into the 90s.
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Indeed.

 
3.16 Zlatan Ibrahimovic,  Forward, Sweden






Zlatan Ibrahimović’s place in history is still being written. He is, after all, still winning trophies and bagging goals in bunches. Still, while nobody denies his artistry, skill and productivity, it’s hard to know RIGHT NOW if this spot – top 50 – is too high, too low, or about right with someone of his pedigree.

Much like the Road Warriors, who pillaged the wrestling community in lesser promotions for a decade at the expense of ‘big’ Federation Titles, so to Zlatan dominates the domestic European Leagues while missing out on Football’s most prized international honors. He has not won the World Cup, or the Champions League, or, most damningly, the EPL. Can such a player really be considered an all-time great, or is he just another overrated media persona? I vote for the former. And I think history might ultimately agree with me. Consider the following which to me makes him an all time great right now:

1. Zlatan has won 13 League titles in 15 seasons with six different teams. While I cannot independently validate this, I believe this is a record that no player in the last 50-75 years can match*. Not Di Stefano at Real in the 60’s. Not Messi/Xavi/Iniesta at Barca. Not barnstormers from Benefica in the 70’s nor galacticos from Galatasary in the 90’s. It is truly among the most exceptional individual records in all of World Soccer and reflects a level of sustained dominance few other in history can replicate.

2.  Zlatan is closing in on 450 career goals across all competitions. To my knowledge, Messi and Ronaldo are the only active players who have accomplished this feat. Had he not played in the shadow of these two all time greats for the last ten years, one could argue he was the most potent scorer of his generation.

Will the Futballguys golden era purists roll their eyes here? Maybe. Is this the right place for him? Who knows. What’s certain is that he will link up with Xavi and Platini to form the spine of a quad that will exemplify the beautiful game in all its glory.

*Interestingly, Latrvian giants Skonto FC won the Latvian League won 14 consecutive titles from 1991-2004. Mihails Zemļinskis, the team’s legendary Center-back and longest tenured player during that golden age, was only around for 11 of those 14 championships, falling two short of Zlatan’s 13 in 15 year mark




 
Could you change my first pick on the spreadsheet to "Garrincha"?
Even I forgot who "Manuel Francisco de Santos" was when I was looking through it.

 
Native said:
3.16 Zlatan Ibrahimovic,  Forward, Sweden
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Helena and I would drive around here and there and rate the houses. It was this fun thing we did. We made top-10 lists, and which house do you think came in at number one? The pink one in Limhamnsvagen, of course, and it wasn't just because of my old dreams. That house was really marvelous. It was the nicest one in Malmo, but, of course, there was one problem.

There were some people living there, and they didn't want to sell, and what can you do? That was the question. We decided not to give up. Maybe give them an offer they couldn't refuse. Not that I was going to send some Rosengård guys their way, exactly. This had to be handled with style, but, even so, we decided to go on the offensive. One day, Helena was at IKEA.

She bumped into a friend there, and they got to talking about the pink house.

"Oh, some good friends of mine live in that pile," her friend said. "Set up a meeting. We want to speak to them," Helena told her.

"Are you joking?"

"Not at all," and so she did.

The friend called and explained the situation, and was told that the couple really didn't want to sell, no way. They liked living there and the neighbors were so nice and lovely and the grass was green, and the view toward Ribersborg Beach and the Øresund Strait was terrific, blah blah blah. The friend had been given her instructions and told them that we weren't going to take that as an answer from her. If they wanted to stay there, no matter what we were willing to pay, they'd have to tell us to our faces, and wouldn't it be fun to meet Zlatan and Helena over a cup of coffee? Not everyone got to do that.

They clearly thought that would be fun, so Helena and I went over, and I knew right away that I had the upper hand. I am who I am, but even so, I was of two minds. As I walked through those gates, I felt big and small at the same time, both the kid who gawked at those houses during the Mile and the guy who was a huge star. At first, I just went with Helena and checked it out, "Very nice, very nice, what a lovely place you've got here." I behaved and was polite, and all that. Over coffee, I couldn't restrain myself any longer.

"We're here because you're living in our house," I said, and the man started laughing, as if to say, How funny, and sure, I had a gleam in my eye. It was a sort of joke, a line from a movie.

Then I continued, "You can take it as a joke if you want. But I'm serious. I intend to buy this house, I'll make sure you're happy, but we're going to have it," and then he went on, saying it wasn't for sale, not under any conditions.

He was adamant—or rather, he pretended to be, but now I could hear it. It was just like on the transfer market. It was a game. The house had a price for him. I could see it in his eyes and I could sense it in the atmosphere, and I explained my thinking: I don't want to do things I don't know how to do. I'm a soccer player. I'm not a negotiator. I'll send a guy to do a deal.

There's got to be a limit somewhere. I sent a lawyer, and don't think I'm a fool who just pisses his money away. I'm a tactician. I'm careful. There was no, Get it at any price, none of that. It was, Make sure you get it for as little as possible.

Afterward, we sat at home waiting. It was a bit of a drama. Then the call came. "They'll sell for 30 mil"—and there was nothing to discuss. We bought it for 30 million kronor (around $3.5 million), and honestly, for that kind of money I bet that couple went skipping out of the house.

I'd done it. Sure, it wasn't free. We'd paid to be able to kick them out. This was just the beginning. We went mad renovating the place. We didn't cut any corners. We couldn't make the garden wall higher. The council said no. What could we do? We wanted a higher wall so no fans or stalkers could stand out there and look in on us. So we dug ourselves deeper instead. We lowered the level of the plot. There were loads of things like that. We really went to town, and that wasn't always popular.

The houses in that neighborhood are usually passed down as inheritances. Daddy's money pays, and nobody from my sort of back- ground had moved in before. It's all ritzy people, and there's nobody who speaks like me, who says stuff like "the wickedest house," and that. Here they use words like "distinguished" and "extraordinary."

I wanted to show that a guy like me could get in here with his own money. That was important to me right from the start, and I hadn't expected everybody to give me a round of applause. Even so, I was still surprised at the neighbors: What, they're going to do this and that? They carried on like that constantly. They moaned. We didn't care, though, and we made that house just the way we wanted it.

It was Helena who worked at it. She was incredibly thorough and got help from various museums and whatever. I wasn't as involved as she was. I don't have the same instinct for those things, but there was one thing I contributed. On the red feature wall in the foyer, I hung a big picture of two dirty feet. When my friends came by, they were all like, Awesome, wicked, cool place you've got here.

"But what are these disgusting feet doing here? How can you have this #### on your wall?"

"You idiots," I said. "Those feet have paid for all of this."
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Zlatan was certainly on my list.  I think he's most likely the greatest Big Man striker of all time, and with the preference for technically gifted, ball-playing CBs in this draft, I think he'd be an absolute nightmare to play.  I expected him to be picked by a team who had built a bit more outside-in though. 

 
TIA for this thread and this experience Ramsey.  I've learned a lot about the game in the last 3 days, including many complexities I've never picked up on before.  

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Zlatan was certainly on my list.  I think he's most likely the greatest Big Man striker of all time, and with the preference for technically gifted, ball-playing CBs in this draft, I think he'd be an absolute nightmare to play.  I expected him to be picked by a team who had built a bit more outside-in though. 
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Yes, I'll neeed to give him space to operate in the middle that's for sure. Hope to address that later on in the draft

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Zlatan was certainly on my list.  I think he's most likely the greatest Big Man striker of all time, and with the preference for technically gifted, ball-playing CBs in this draft, I think he'd be an absolute nightmare to play.  I expected him to be picked by a team who had built a bit more outside-in though. 
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Needs more references to Zlatan in the third person

 
Ok, so one of my thoughts going into this was to have a strong midfield to possess and attack. Im sure everyone has similar thinking. Some are building from the back and going strong defensively. All part of the fun. After I took Iniesta, Seedorf and Cryuff, I made the decision that I had to have this guy. He fills multiple roles if I need him to including playing on the left midfield, I can play him as a defensive midfielder in a 4-4-2 or I can throw him as a sweeper in a 4-3-3. All I knew is that I wanted his agressive play, his dogging of the opponent and his skill. If Im being honest, my first thought was Keane. But that went out the door a few picks ago. So it prompted me to trade down a few rounds to get him. Maybe I didnt need to make the trade. Hopefully people will be honest if he was or was not on their radar. Doesnt matter. I wanted him, now I have him. Without further ado, 

3.17 Edgar Davids, M, Netherlands

The Pitbull


Honours[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Club[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Ajax[61]

Juventus[61]

Inter Milan[61]

International[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Netherlands[61]

Individual[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



 

 
AcerFC said:
Ok, so one of my thoughts going into this was to have a strong midfield to possess and attack. Im sure everyone has similar thinking. Some are building from the back and going strong defensively. All part of the fun. After I took Iniesta, Seedorf and Cryuff, I made the decision that I had to have this guy. He fills multiple roles if I need him to including playing on the left midfield, I can play him as a defensive midfielder in a 4-4-2 or I can throw him as a sweeper in a 4-3-3. All I knew is that I wanted his agressive play, his dogging of the opponent and his skill. If Im being honest, my first thought was Keane. But that went out the door a few picks ago. So it prompted me to trade down a few rounds to get him. Maybe I didnt need to make the trade. Hopefully people will be honest if he was or was not on their radar. Doesnt matter. I wanted him, now I have him. Without further ado, 

3.17 Edgar Davids, M, Netherlands

The Pitbull


Honours[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Club[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Ajax[61]

Juventus[61]

Inter Milan[61]

International[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



Netherlands[61]

Individual[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]



 
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4.1 Djalma Santos, RB, Brazil

Nominated in 2004 by his illustrious compatriot, Pele, in his list of the 125 greatest living footballers, Santos was the first man selected in the team of the tournament at three World Cups – a feat since emulated by Franz Beckenbauer – and he accumulated 98 official caps, a total which stretches way beyond a century when exhibition games are taken into account.

An examination of the Santos attributes reveals no discernible flaw. The first responsibility of a full-back is to defend, and he fulfilled that impeccably with his strength, durability and resolution. He was unyielding in the tackle, effective in the air, quick to cover the ground with his distinctive scuttling run and perceptive in his distribution, usually preferring a simple pass to one of his more extravagantly talented team-mates.

But Santos could be a thrilling attacker, too, capable of rampaging down his touchline on swashbuckling overlaps and joining in with flowing team moves, occasionally displaying flair with the ball worthy of the most artistic midfield general. He was also a dead-ball specialist, taking penalties in the early part of his career, and he was blessed with an even temperament, retaining his composure in the most hectic of situations and never being sent off in more than 1,000 games as a professional.
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With Carlos Alberto going off the board just before him, I felt like Djalma was pretty clearly the best right back available. He also fits my team ethos of hard work and all-around play.

Looked at a lot of players, but there wasn't another position where there was one standout guy IMO. And the trade down means I don't have to wait another 2 rounds.

 
RHE: "mama mia!"=racist

Charvik: No worries, GB,
you already have the best team ever...beware the Ides of....whatever these Northern Euro & SouthAMericans  philes think
....you are the shining beacon amidst the ga,y-ronaldo-messi mess this is, you have the Sword of Darkness, engage!

 
Spartans Rule said:
4.1 Djalma Santos, RB, Brazil

With Carlos Alberto going off the board just before him, I felt like Djalma was pretty clearly the best right back available. He also fits my team ethos of hard work and all-around play.

Looked at a lot of players, but there wasn't another position where there was one standout guy IMO. And the trade down means I don't have to wait another 2 rounds.
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MOTHER ######!!!

 
4.2 Alessandro Del Piero, FWD, Italy and Juventus

Was hoping Djlalma Santos was available to provide overlapping runs down the flank and add width to the attack, but there are many ways to construct a dream team.

There may be more decorated players still on the board, but I want to build my squad around true virtuosos who can work interchangeably to control the pace and feel of the game. More than the Five Scudettos, one World Cup (including a majestic goal in the semi's) and ~300 goals for Juve, Del Pierro is the pick here because he is a trequartista with the ball at his feet, a maestro who can pass and shoot and patiently dominate possession. Four of the best, most inventive passers in the history of the game who also have a penchant to score bags of goals.

    Del Piero----Zlatan----XXXX

                 Xavi--Platini

                    XXXX

XXXX-----XXXX-----XXXX-----XXXX

 
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Native said:
4.2 Alessandro Del Piero, FWD, Italy and Juventus

Was hoping Djlalma Santos was available to provide overlapping runs down the flank and add width to the attack, but there are many ways to construct a dream team.

There may be more decorated players still on the board, but I want to build my squad around true virtuosos who can work interchangeably to control the pace and feel of the game. More than the Five Scudettos, one World Cup (including a majestic goal in the semi's) and ~300 goals for Juve, Del Pierro is the pick here because he is a trequartista with the ball at his feet, a maestro who can pass and shoot and patiently dominate possession. Four of the best, most inventive passers in the history of the game who also have a penchant to score bags of goals.

    Del Piero----Zlatan----XXXX

                 Xavi--Platini

                    XXXX

XXXX-----XXXX-----XXXX-----XXXX
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YES! I was hoping he'd go high. Dude just recently retired I think and I just had to sign him for my Swansea Football Manager team in the FBG thread.

 
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Davids is top 3 favorite player for me- kind of the Charles Oakley of soccer (with a bit more skill)... heart, hustle, drive and skills. only jersey I own is a holland Davids one. he was writing a piece for the NYtimes for a bit, which had me thinking/salivating that he'd come to play for the NYRBs. love aside, I think there are better dutchmen still out there- this was a bit high to take him, IMO.

 
Pick


Team


Player


Position


Nationality


4.1


Spartans Rule


Djalma Santos


RB


 


4.2


Native


Del Piero


 


 


4.3


@Bonzai @Rooney10


 


 


 


4.4


Lehigh98


 


 


 


4.5


shader


 


 


 


4.6


Sinn Fein


 


 


 


4.7


El Floppo


 


 


 


4.8


RHE


 


 


 


4.9


PIK95


 


 


 


4.10


((Morpheus))


 


 


 


4.11


Charvik


 


 


 


4.12


Eephus


 


 


 


4.13


Spartans Rule


 


 


 


4.14


Tasker/Gator


 


 


 


4.15


Brady Marino


 


 


 


4.16


jonessed


 


 


 


4.17


wdcrob


 


 


 

 
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El Floppo said:
Davids is top 3 favorite player for me- kind of the Charles Oakley of soccer (with a bit more skill)... heart, hustle, drive and skills. only jersey I own is a holland Davids one. he was writing a piece for the NYtimes for a bit, which had me thinking/salivating that he'd come to play for the NYRBs. love aside, I think there are better dutchmen still out there- this was a bit high to take him, IMO.
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all points taken. You think he makes it back to 4.13. I dont. 

Not concerned with better players, he fills a role

 
AcerFC said:
all points taken. You think he makes it back to 4.13. I dont. 

Not concerned with better players, he fills a role
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This is the thing, taken early by a round isn't huge outside of the first/second imo, especially if he fills what your teams needs. 

No chance he would have made it back to you.  /Tasker 

 
The Gator said:
This is the thing, taken early by a round isn't huge outside of the first/second imo, especially if he fills what your teams needs. 

No chance he would have made it back to you.  /Tasker 
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I picked one ahead of you so if it was just you, he would have

 
4.3 Paul Scholes

He is the phenomenon.

— Ronaldo

My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. Scholes is undoubtedly the greatest midfielder of his generation.

— Zinedine Zidane

If he was playing with me, I would score so many more.

— Pelé

There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is Paul Scholes.

— Marcelo Bielsa

The only great English midfielder in my career was Paul Scholes. He has elegance in him. Others were pretenders.

— Andrea Pirlo

The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy – Scholes

— Patrick Vieira

Every one of us is just trying to become as good as him. Everyone can learn from Paul Scholes

— Edgar Davids

In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen — the most complete — is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. ‘He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away. If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.

—Xavi

 
AcerFC said:
all points taken. You think he makes it back to 4.13. I dont. 

Not concerned with better players, he fills a role
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yeah- shouldn't have mentioned the "too early" part. at this point, we're talking about a big bunch of great players- nobody's going to be taken too early for a long while. plus :wub:  davids. I'm still convinced he could have won the RBs every trophy out there, almost single-handedly... even as an older dude. didn't he end up playing in Brazil at the end of his career? I vaguely remember seeing some games and feeling intensely jealous that he went there instead of the US.

 
Love the Ginger Ninja.  Never really got his due in England where it seems the country was intent on celebrating one inferior midfielder to him after another. 

Bonus points for his new career in punditry because he looks like a psychopath on television. 

 
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