Amari Cooper v Kevin White - Dynasty (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

I think Amari Cooper is the best WR in the 2015 draft, but if he goes to the Rams, it will push him down.the list of impactful rookie WRs. Nick Foles isnt a big post route guy and thats where Cooper flourishes. On the other hand Foles likes to throw to the corner and Cooper has struggled turning and getting his shoulders in front of defenders in that route. couple that with Coopers propensity to adjust mid route leaving his QB vulnerable in pressure and Nick Foles high INT rate and you could have a some problems. especially in the beginning of the season.

id say Kevin White as Derek Carrs #1 WR being a pretty solid choice. OR Devante Parker in New Orleans. hell id even look at Dorial Green-Beckham if he was catching bombs from Joe Flacco.

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

 

[That_Guy_Will]

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think Amari Cooper is the best WR in the 2015 draft, but if he goes to the Rams, it will push him down.the list of impactful rookie WRs. Nick Foles isnt a big post route guy and thats where Cooper flourishes. On the other hand Foles likes to throw to the corner and Cooper has struggled turning and getting his shoulders in front of defenders in that route. couple that with Coopers propensity to adjust mid route leaving his QB vulnerable in pressure and Nick Foles high INT rate and you could have a some problems. especially in the beginning of the season.

id say Kevin White as Derek Carrs #1 WR being a pretty solid choice. OR Devante Parker in New Orleans. hell id even look at Dorial Green-Beckham if he was catching bombs from Joe Flacco.

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

Or Randy Moss....

 

[JohnnyU]

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

I wouldn't treat wasting a 1st rd pick so lightly. In fantasy wasting a high 1st rd pick is brutal.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Amari Cooper is the best WR in the 2015 draft, but if he goes to the Rams, it will push him down.the list of impactful rookie WRs. Nick Foles isnt a big post route guy and thats where Cooper flourishes. On the other hand Foles likes to throw to the corner and Cooper has struggled turning and getting his shoulders in front of defenders in that route. couple that with Coopers propensity to adjust mid route leaving his QB vulnerable in pressure and Nick Foles high INT rate and you could have a some problems. especially in the beginning of the season.

id say Kevin White as Derek Carrs #1 WR being a pretty solid choice. OR Devante Parker in New Orleans. hell id even look at Dorial Green-Beckham if he was catching bombs from Joe Flacco.

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

Or Randy Moss....

DGB has more luggage than Moss had.

 

[massraider]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Worst case scenario is not a wasted pick. Worst case scenario is a lot worse than that.

Worst case scenario is him playing well for a little while, then doing something stupid. Worst case scenario is deciding to build your passing game around him, like CLE did with Gordon, then having him screw up after all the free agent WRs are gone, leaving you with no good WRs for a year.

Worst case scenario is him becoming a multi-season distraction, like Gordon.

Worst case scenario is making the playoffs, then night before the wild card, he beats his girlfriend over the head with his 4-foot bong.

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

 

[That_Guy_Will]

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

I wouldn't treat wasting a 1st rd pick so lightly. In fantasy wasting a high 1st rd pick is brutal.

i thought you meant it would be too risky for the Ravens to draft him in the REAL DRAFT. i agreed that fantasy wise he isnt worth a 1st rd pick.

 

[That_Guy_Will]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Worst case scenario is not a wasted pick. Worst case scenario is a lot worse than that.

Worst case scenario is him playing well for a little while, then doing something stupid. Worst case scenario is deciding to build your passing game around him, like CLE did with Gordon, then having him screw up after all the free agent WRs are gone, leaving you with no good WRs for a year.

Worst case scenario is him becoming a multi-season distraction, like Gordon.

Worst case scenario is making the playoffs, then night before the wild card, he beats his girlfriend over the head with his 4-foot bong.

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

youre assuming he WILL get into trouble. Look at the BENGALS success in drafting troubled rookies and keeping them clean. there are plenty of players who got in no trouble in college who made a mistake in the nfl and plenty who made mistakes in college and were clean as pros.

he wont cripple the cap from his rookie contract. coooome on bruuuh

 

[Sabertooth]

I own the 4 pick in both my dynasty league (a superflex and a 2QB). No way one of these cats slips past me, even in the 2QB league. Right now they are so close I don't care. This seems almost like the Green/Jones debate from a few year back.

I think draft position is going to dictate it for me. If the both go top 5 like Jones and Green did, the value of the 3 and 4 picks is going to skyrocket. Get those picks now, they are going to increase in value exponentially in the next 60 days. I am currently offering Kelvin Benjamin for Marquise Lee and the 1.05 and he's interested. They way drafts always unfold so unpredictably, I am hoping to get White or Cooper with that pick. Lee is just gravy.

What makes you think the 1.4 will guarantee you one of Cooper or White? I can see both going in the top 3 and Gordon dropping to 1.4.

I'd don't really give a #### if it does or not. If Cooper and White are gone, Gurley or Gordon is there. I'm happy as a clam either way. Or if I'm starved for a WR, I trade back because you know somebody is going to be salivating for a back.

 

[Sabertooth]

I own the 4 pick in both my dynasty league (a superflex and a 2QB). No way one of these cats slips past me, even in the 2QB league. Right now they are so close I don't care. This seems almost like the Green/Jones debate from a few year back.

I think draft position is going to dictate it for me. If the both go top 5 like Jones and Green did, the value of the 3 and 4 picks is going to skyrocket. Get those picks now, they are going to increase in value exponentially in the next 60 days. I am currently offering Kelvin Benjamin for Marquise Lee and the 1.05 and he's interested. They way drafts always unfold so unpredictably, I am hoping to get White or Cooper with that pick. Lee is just gravy.

What makes you think the 1.4 will guarantee you one of Cooper or White? I can see both going in the top 3 and Gordon dropping to 1.4.

Agreed. I fully expect Gurley, White and Cooper to go 1 - 3.

With Gordon sitting atop the Cowboys depth chart, I'm ok with that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

 

[That_Guy_Will]

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

^^^^^^

This

 

[ShamrockPride]

I think Amari Cooper is the best WR in the 2015 draft, but if he goes to the Rams, it will push him down.the list of impactful rookie WRs. Nick Foles isnt a big post route guy and thats where Cooper flourishes. On the other hand Foles likes to throw to the corner and Cooper has struggled turning and getting his shoulders in front of defenders in that route. couple that with Coopers propensity to adjust mid route leaving his QB vulnerable in pressure and Nick Foles high INT rate and you could have a some problems. especially in the beginning of the season.

id say Kevin White as Derek Carrs #1 WR being a pretty solid choice. OR Devante Parker in New Orleans. hell id even look at Dorial Green-Beckham if he was catching bombs from Joe Flacco.

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

You know I used to be a HUGE DGB guy, but I'm in position to grab White or Coop, and while I still feel that DGB could outperform all the other rookies this year, I know I'll be able to sleep better with one of those two.

It's not even the domestic abuse stuff. I really really feel like just judging from how he presents himself in interviews and everything I've seen of him, I feel like he really is a kid with a good heart and has learned his lesson from that episode. But when you're a weed smoker...you're always a weed smoker. That's what makes me the more nervous than anything about him.

 

[JohnnyU]

I think Amari Cooper is the best WR in the 2015 draft, but if he goes to the Rams, it will push him down.the list of impactful rookie WRs. Nick Foles isnt a big post route guy and thats where Cooper flourishes. On the other hand Foles likes to throw to the corner and Cooper has struggled turning and getting his shoulders in front of defenders in that route. couple that with Coopers propensity to adjust mid route leaving his QB vulnerable in pressure and Nick Foles high INT rate and you could have a some problems. especially in the beginning of the season.

id say Kevin White as Derek Carrs #1 WR being a pretty solid choice. OR Devante Parker in New Orleans. hell id even look at Dorial Green-Beckham if he was catching bombs from Joe Flacco.

Too risky to draft DGB before 1.5. Just looking at Josh Gordon's current situation is a reminder of what you could have in DGB. No way I select him early in rookie drafts.

You know I used to be a HUGE DGB guy, but I'm in position to grab White or Coop, and while I still feel that DGB could outperform all the other rookies this year, I know I'll be able to sleep better with one of those two.

It's not even the domestic abuse stuff. I really really feel like just judging from how he presents himself in interviews and everything I've seen of him, I feel like he really is a kid with a good heart and has learned his lesson from that episode. But when you're a weed smoker...you're always a weed smoker. That's what makes me the more nervous than anything about him.

It's the weed that turns me away from DGB in the early to mid first rd of rookie drafts. I would take a chance on him in the 2nd however.

 

[massraider]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Not my point of view at all.

And your comparison isn't even close to apples to apples. Quarterback is a completely different kettle of fish, you know that. And Russell Wilson is on his rookie deal. Calvin and Antonio are both on their second deals.

I'm not seeing a correlation between having the top-of-the-line, holy upside, OMG this guy is unstoppable WR to wins. I do see that with QBs. I look at the WRs in the Super Bowl, and I don't see any need for the freaky $13 mill a year player.

 

[massraider]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Worst case scenario is not a wasted pick. Worst case scenario is a lot worse than that.

Worst case scenario is him playing well for a little while, then doing something stupid. Worst case scenario is deciding to build your passing game around him, like CLE did with Gordon, then having him screw up after all the free agent WRs are gone, leaving you with no good WRs for a year.

Worst case scenario is him becoming a multi-season distraction, like Gordon.

Worst case scenario is making the playoffs, then night before the wild card, he beats his girlfriend over the head with his 4-foot bong.

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

youre assuming he WILL get into trouble.

No, I'm pointing out what the worst case scenario is. Do you not understand what that means?

 

[Faust]

Tale of the Tape: Amari Cooper vs Kevin White

 

[That_Guy_Will]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Worst case scenario is not a wasted pick. Worst case scenario is a lot worse than that.

Worst case scenario is him playing well for a little while, then doing something stupid. Worst case scenario is deciding to build your passing game around him, like CLE did with Gordon, then having him screw up after all the free agent WRs are gone, leaving you with no good WRs for a year.

Worst case scenario is him becoming a multi-season distraction, like Gordon.

Worst case scenario is making the playoffs, then night before the wild card, he beats his girlfriend over the head with his 4-foot bong.

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

youre assuming he WILL get into trouble.

No, I'm pointing out what the worst case scenario is. Do you not understand what that means?

well youre wrong about that too then.

WORST case scenario is he walks in the day before the playoffs strapped with a suicide vest and kills the whole team.

it makes about as much sense to worry about that as it does to worry about a ROOKIE who messes up taking up $9M-$20M in cap space....

 

[ShamrockPride]

^^^ Well that escalated quickly.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

 

[massraider]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.

Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.

Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Antonio Brown is a really poor example. He signed his current contract in 2012, before he broke out. I'm sure if he signed a deal now he would be right there in that $20 million range.

Pierre Garcon, Torrey Smith, and Eric Decker are legitimate $8 million/year receivers. Not Antonio Brown.

 

[massraider]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.

Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Antonio Brown is a really poor example. He signed his current contract in 2012, before he broke out. I'm sure if he signed a deal now he would be right there in that $20 million range.

Pierre Garcon, Torrey Smith, and Eric Decker are legitimate $8 million/year receivers. Not Antonio Brown.

Jordy Nelson. Victor Cruz.

 

[That_Guy_Will]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Hes a freak specimen size wise with the physicality that directly translates to the Pro game. he can run down the stretch and beat almost any corner for a contested catch AND he can route run. he is the best WR in the draft. if not for personal issues he'd be the clear 1st WR pick. his landing spot will dictate his fantasy impact.

and youre worried about.him misbehaving during his 2nd contract??? yeah... lets worry about that when it gets here. he isnt even drafted yet. lets not look at 2nd contracts yet....

 

[Sabertooth]

Its going to be interesting to see how he slides.

 

[massraider]

No, I'm worried about him misbehaving anytime. Because, you know, he's done it in high school. And college. Repeatedly.

Best WR in the class?

Amari Cooper had 100-yard receiving games in his freshman year than Mr.Upside has his entire ordinary career.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Hes a freak specimen size wise with the physicality that directly translates to the Pro game. he can run down the stretch and beat almost any corner for a contested catch AND he can route run. he is the best WR in the draft. if not for personal issues he'd be the clear 1st WR pick. his landing spot will dictate his fantasy impact.

and youre worried about.him misbehaving during his 2nd contract??? yeah... lets worry about that when it gets here. he isnt even drafted yet. lets not look at 2nd contracts yet....

We haven't seen him do ANY of this against top-flight, NFL players yet. No idea how you can assert the bolded.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

No, I'm worried about him misbehaving anytime. Because, you know, he's done it in high school. And college. Repeatedly.

Best WR in the class?

Amari Cooper had 100-yard receiving games in his freshman year than Mr.Upside has his entire ordinary career.

Exactly.

 

[massraider]

HIJACK OVA

White vs. Cooper

 

[FUBAR]

HIJACK OVA

White vs. Cooper

He sums it up well IMO, matching my thoughts exactly (so he has to be right!)

I very much like White’s talent, and I feel he will be an excellent pro. But in deciding who to take, the fact that he has really only “done it” for one year works against him. He will have a bit more of a learning curve when he gets to the NFL later this year.

Cooper is the far less risky pick. So I'll be leaning towards him. The only way I change that is if White gets to play with a pro-bowl caliber QB and Cooper plays with Geno Smith. This isn't likely though as both should be picked before Atlanta picks - though if White went to Atlanta to replace his older brother; that could bump him above Cooper with the jets.

 

[massraider]

HIJACK OVA

White vs. Cooper

He sums it up well IMO, matching my thoughts exactly (so he has to be right!)

I very much like White’s talent, and I feel he will be an excellent pro. But in deciding who to take, the fact that he has really only “done it” for one year works against him. He will have a bit more of a learning curve when he gets to the NFL later this year.

Cooper is the far less risky pick. So I'll be leaning towards him. The only way I change that is if White gets to play with a pro-bowl caliber QB and Cooper plays with Geno Smith. This isn't likely though as both should be picked before Atlanta picks - though if White went to Atlanta to replace his older brother; that could bump him above Cooper with the jets.

One of the chalk mock picks that I think has a good chance of happening is Cooper to Oakland. I think he could be a PPR monster early on there.

 

[amicsta]

HIJACK OVA

White vs. Cooper

He sums it up well IMO, matching my thoughts exactly (so he has to be right!)

I very much like White’s talent, and I feel he will be an excellent pro. But in deciding who to take, the fact that he has really only “done it” for one year works against him. He will have a bit more of a learning curve when he gets to the NFL later this year.

Cooper is the far less risky pick. So I'll be leaning towards him. The only way I change that is if White gets to play with a pro-bowl caliber QB and Cooper plays with Geno Smith. This isn't likely though as both should be picked before Atlanta picks - though if White went to Atlanta to replace his older brother; that could bump him above Cooper with the jets.

Right now I think it is more likely that if Cooper goes to the Jets he is playing with Fitzpatrick, someone who has already had success with Chan Gailey. It is slightly crowded there I suppose (for now), which would be a better argument against the Jets.

And I'm pretty sure Roddy and Kevin share no relation whatsoever.

 

[Chaka]

^^^ Well that escalated quickly.

 

[Chaka]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.

Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Antonio Brown is a really poor example. He signed his current contract in 2012, before he broke out. I'm sure if he signed a deal now he would be right there in that $20 million range.

Pierre Garcon, Torrey Smith, and Eric Decker are legitimate $8 million/year receivers. Not Antonio Brown.

Jordy Nelson. Victor Cruz.

Randal Cobb

 

[Chaka]

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

By this logic no one should ever sign a good player. Are the Falcons better off with Matt Ryan at $20 mil this year, or the Seahawks with Russell Wilson at $400k? It looks like it's time to cut Ryan and draft a 3rd round QB to replace him.

Besides, a mid-first round rookie isn't making anywhere near $20 mil. It's more like $8 mil.

Wait, a mid-first round rookie isn't making $8M per year. They are making more like $8-10M over 4 years.

The salary reference was referring to the second contract.Meaning this: If DGB hits, and hits this insane ceiling that everyone claims he has, and becomes the best WR in the game, I'm not sure winning teams need one of those guys. For Calvin Johnson money, you can line up an Antonio Brown, Golden Tate, and pay your backup QB.

I question this upside talk anyways. How many WRs have had better college careers than DGB? He had a year of nice production at Mizzou, but he's got top 5 WR NFL upside? Why, because he's tall?

Hes a freak specimen size wise with the physicality that directly translates to the Pro game. he can run down the stretch and beat almost any corner for a contested catch AND he can route run. he is the best WR in the draft. if not for personal issues he'd be the clear 1st WR pick. his landing spot will dictate his fantasy impact.

and youre worried about.him misbehaving during his 2nd contract??? yeah... lets worry about that when it gets here. he isnt even drafted yet. lets not look at 2nd contracts yet....

Josh Gordon has been a nightmare for Cleveland by any standard.

 

[FUBAR]

Right now I think it is more likely that if Cooper goes to the Jets he is playing with Fitzpatrick, someone who has already had success with Chan Gailey. It is slightly crowded there I suppose (for now), which would be a better argument against the Jets.

And I'm pretty sure Roddy and Kevin share no relation whatsoever.

Seems unknown for sure there, but maybe.

The White brotherhood was a joke and the similarities are a stretch, but he could take Roddy's role.

One of the chalk mock picks that I think has a good chance of happening is Cooper to Oakland. I think he could be a PPR monster early on there.

going to the Raiders used to be a huge negative but I agree.

 

[JohnnyU]

HIJACK OVA

White vs. Cooper

He sums it up well IMO, matching my thoughts exactly (so he has to be right!)

I very much like White’s talent, and I feel he will be an excellent pro. But in deciding who to take, the fact that he has really only “done it” for one year works against him. He will have a bit more of a learning curve when he gets to the NFL later this year.

Cooper is the far less risky pick. So I'll be leaning towards him. The only way I change that is if White gets to play with a pro-bowl caliber QB and Cooper plays with Geno Smith. This isn't likely though as both should be picked before Atlanta picks - though if White went to Atlanta to replace his older brother; that could bump him above Cooper with the jets.

One of the chalk mock picks that I think has a good chance of happening is Cooper to Oakland. I think he could be a PPR monster early on there.

Going to Oakland doesn't have the same negative feel it used to have. I like Carr and I think Cooper can shine there. However, I would hate to see him go to the Jets right now. That may change in a year or two, but right now that would be purgatory.

 

[Zyphros]

No, I'm worried about him misbehaving anytime. Because, you know, he's done it in high school. And college. Repeatedly.

Best WR in the class?

Amari Cooper had 100-yard receiving games in his freshman year than Mr.Upside has his entire ordinary career.

I think we have a nickname

 

[ShamrockPride]

No, I'm worried about him misbehaving anytime. Because, you know, he's done it in high school. And college. Repeatedly.

Best WR in the class?

Amari Cooper had 100-yard receiving games in his freshman year than Mr.Upside has his entire ordinary career.

I think we have a nickname

I can support this.

 

[Madden Curse]

I hope the Great White Hype spirals ever more out of control through draft season. Seems like mid-round rookie picks could hold a lot of value for people who stick to their pre-NFL-draft rankings.

Staying the course on Cooper seems like the best approach to take. This seems a re-tread of the 2013 debate over DeAndre Hopkins and Cordarrelle Patterson.

 

[Sabertooth]

Could be. I think they are both better than either of those guys though.

 

[georg013]

Patterson is no White.

 

[Ever Present Lurker]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Worst case scenario is not a wasted pick. Worst case scenario is a lot worse than that.

Worst case scenario is him playing well for a little while, then doing something stupid. Worst case scenario is deciding to build your passing game around him, like CLE did with Gordon, then having him screw up after all the free agent WRs are gone, leaving you with no good WRs for a year.

Worst case scenario is him becoming a multi-season distraction, like Gordon.

Worst case scenario is making the playoffs, then night before the wild card, he beats his girlfriend over the head with his 4-foot bong.

Having a stud 6'5" WR certainly doesn't translate into playoff wins, but it may translate into cap-crippling contracts. Are the Lions better off with Calvin at $20 mill this year, or the Steelers with Antonio Brown at $9 mill?

youre assuming he WILL get into trouble. Look at the BENGALS success in drafting troubled rookies and keeping them clean. there are plenty of players who got in no trouble in college who made a mistake in the nfl and plenty who made mistakes in college and were clean as pros.

he wont cripple the cap from his rookie contract. coooome on bruuuh

You mean guys like Chris Henry, Jerome Simpson, Ray Maualuga, Marvin White, Orson Charles, Leon Hall, Andre Brooks and Robert Sands?

 

[Xue]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Physical freak based on what?

 

[Sabertooth]

agreed that character concerns are always an issue to look at. BUT DGB is a physical freak with immense talent. a character clause would keep the team safe from a huge financial loss and the upside potential is HUGE. WORST case scenario is a wasted draft pick. Best case is a high producing #1 WR.

As far as fantasy goes, well hes a late round pick regardless.

Physical freak based on what?

Girth.

 

[amicsta]

I'm not sure Kevin White is even one of the best 2 or 3 WR prospects in this draft, let alone better than Cooper. My opinion.

 

[massraider]

I'm not sure Kevin White is even one of the best 2 or 3 WR prospects in this draft, let alone better than Cooper. My opinion.

 

[JackReacher]

I'm not sure Kevin White is even one of the best 2 or 3 WR prospects in this draft, let alone better than Cooper. My opinion.

not sure is not much of an opinion

 

[amicsta]

I'm not sure Kevin White is even one of the best 2 or 3 WR prospects in this draft, let alone better than Cooper. My opinion.

not sure is not much of an opinion

My point is that the debate really should be White vs Perriman vs Strong vs DGB vs Parker. Cooper is a tier above, clear cut top pick.

 

[JackReacher]

I'm not sure Kevin White is even one of the best 2 or 3 WR prospects in this draft, let alone better than Cooper. My opinion.

not sure is not much of an opinion

My point is that the debate really should be White vs Perriman vs Strong vs DGB vs Parker. Cooper is a tier above, clear cut top pick.

Agree 100 percent