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It is time for him to call it a day and move to the front office of the organization.What say you?
When he is no longer coaching the Eagles team will suffer some losing seasons. He has gotten more out of a lack of talent at times than most coaches.To this day I dont know how Ron Wolf ever let him get out of Green Bay. Talk about a big miss, on Wolf's resume.
 
Okay, here is the thing. I have supported him whole-heartedly through the good times and struggles. Tonight was the tipping point for me. I always defended everything from his play calling to clock management to his off-the-field problems with his sons.

It is time for him to hang up the clipboard. The playcalling has been horrific. The clock management has been porous. His challenge-decisions have been awful and desperate. C'mon now. He looks like an amateur now.

We can't win in the East anymore. While I am gracious for all of his winning seasons and personnel moves, it is time to waive bye-bye in the rearview mirror.

This is just one (sick & tired) Eagles fans opinion. :bag:

 
My problem is how obvious some of his errors are; Westbrook wasn't getting any yards all night yet they try to run it twice on their last drive. The Giants were doing well against the pass also but you have to think that with two tries the Eagles could have got the three yards. I guess he was going for the unexpected play but it seems like Reid's logic a lot of times is that if they keep trying a play that fails consistently it will eventually work once.

 
I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.

While I didn't like the play calling on the last possession and those challenges were awful, the guy is still a solid head coach. Is he one of the 5 best? No, he isn't, but there are at least a dozen teams that would LOVE to have Andy Reid as their coach.

 
Okay, here is the thing. I have supported him whole-heartedly through the good times and struggles. Tonight was the tipping point for me. I always defended everything from his play calling to clock management to his off-the-field problems with his sons. It is time for him to hang up the clipboard. The playcalling has been horrific. The clock management has been porous. His challenge-decisions have been awful and desperate. C'mon now. He looks like an amateur now. We can't win in the East anymore. While I am gracious for all of his winning seasons and personnel moves, it is time to waive bye-bye in the rearview mirror.This is just one (sick & tired) Eagles fans opinion. :bag:
My thought exactly. About 70,000 driving home right now agree.
 
I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.
No offense, but I think you need new eyes. They are now 0-3 against the NFC East (0-2 at home), but they are supposed to be the 2nd best team in the NFC? No way.
 
I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.
No offense, but I think you need new eyes. They are now 0-3 against the NFC East (0-2 at home), but they are supposed to be the 2nd best team in the NFC? No way.
I don't count a loss to the Giants as a negative. They lost to Washington and Dallas with a makeshift offense and they easily could have won either of those games. I think they are a better team than Washington(who I think has a down second half) and Dallas(who is very hit and miss even with Romo.) Who's that leave? I'm not all that impressed by Carolina or Arizona, neither of them have beaten anybody good. Tampa has a major problem on offense and Atlanta just seems a year away to me. The NFC North's best team would go 6-10 in the NFC East.
 
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I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.
No offense, but I think you need new eyes. They are now 0-3 against the NFC East (0-2 at home), but they are supposed to be the 2nd best team in the NFC? No way.
I don't count a loss to the Giants as a negative. They lost to Washington and Dallas with a makeshift offense and they easily could have won either of those games. I think they are a better team than Washington(who I think has a down second half) and Dallas(who is very hit and miss even with Romo.) Who's that leave? I'm not all that impressed by Carolina or Arizona, neither of them have beaten anybody good. Tampa has a major problem on offense and Atlanta just seems a year away to me. The NFC North's best team would go 6-10 in the NFC East.
I agree with this, but think that Dallas could very easily get it back together and present a major challenge down the stretch. Philly has ZERO room for error now, and a tough schedule down the stretch. If Philly is the NFC's second best team, it's certainly debateable. Not that the NFC sucks, but because there are four or five teams all bunched very close together.Philly, Carolina, Tampa, Dallas are all close together...Washington and Arizona are still in the mix. Atlanta's a nice feel-good story but isn't really ready to seriously challenge.
 
They scored 31 points against a very good Giants defense. I hate the Eagles and I think Reid is one of the better coaches in the league. Try trotting out some of the herbs that most NFL teams do every Sunday and you'd be begging for Andy to come back.

 
I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.
No offense, but I think you need new eyes. They are now 0-3 against the NFC East (0-2 at home), but they are supposed to be the 2nd best team in the NFC? No way.
I don't count a loss to the Giants as a negative. They lost to Washington and Dallas with a makeshift offense and they easily could have won either of those games. I think they are a better team than Washington(who I think has a down second half) and Dallas(who is very hit and miss even with Romo.) Who's that leave? I'm not all that impressed by Carolina or Arizona, neither of them have beaten anybody good. Tampa has a major problem on offense and Atlanta just seems a year away to me. The NFC North's best team would go 6-10 in the NFC East.
You mean the way Philly has been kinda hit or miss in these games they coulda won? Counting the games you coulda won but didn't as a positive for your team is something the Raiders do after getting 2 or 3 wins in a season. If you are losing games you could win, then you are by definition not a good team. Good teams turn those close games into W's. Average teams drop some of them.
 
They scored 31 points against a very good Giants defense. I hate the Eagles and I think Reid is one of the better coaches in the league. Try trotting out some of the herbs that most NFL teams do every Sunday and you'd be begging for Andy to come back.
I think you are talking about Andy Reid. Right now, he is one of those "herbs" trotting out onto the field and making a fool of himself. I am begging for Andy Reid to come back because he clearly isn't there, if you know what I mean.

Just look at the last three seasons. While everyone is quick to blame McNabb, just look at how the playcalling and clock management have cost the Eagles. Sure, McNabb gets tired but running some of the plays that they have ran makes me sick. I am not throwing the towel in on the season, but Reid is clearly nowhere near the coach he once was.

 
extremely frustrated by tonight's loss. i mean, scoring 37 points and losing to dallas and then scoring 31 points against the giants and losing, that doesn't bode well for a team with a supposedly good defense. reid made a big mistake a few years ago when he prevented spagnola from leaving to join childress in minnesota and then telling him he wouldn't stand in his way the next time he was offered a DC job ... and then have it be the division rival giants.

being 0-3 in the division is going to really hurt come tiebreaker time.

at this point, saying they are anything best than the fourth-best team in the division is foolish. could they be better? sure. but they're 0-3 against the teams they need to beat. 0-2 at home. not good.

they go on the road the next 2 weeks - at the bengals and at the ravens. they are not in a position to go 1-1. after that its the cardinals at home. then 3 out of 4 in december against the nfc east, 2 of them on the road and a MNF game against the browns. 4-3 in the last 7 means they win the next 3 and beat the browns. very doable. 5-2 means they beat the cowboys at home. 6-1, they get the redskins on the road. its all doable. it isn't likely.

all i heard all offseason was how this was it for mcnabb, that he wasn't coming back. if that's true, i want to see what kolb brings to the table. give him the playing time now to help him next year. if mcnabb is coming back, fine, keep playing him. but if you really are letting him go, make the move now.

it won't happen. reid is too loyal to mcnabb. when/if mcnabb leaves, the reaction is going to be just like it was with iverson in philly. that he'll have a better chance to win it all with a different team. but if mcnabb does go to another team, he won't win it all. the team might win it all, but it won't be because of mcnabb. last week vs. seattle, and this week vs. the giants are just two more examples of the inconsistent mcnabb that plagues the eagles now.

it was fun while it lasted and i appreciate everything mcnabb and reid have done for the eagles and the city. it's been a great ride.

the eagles can rebuild faster without mcnabb than they can without reid in my opinion. bring reid back and hire a new offensive coordinator. get a fullback and not a reclamation project. go with the players who can win THAT GAME on a given night. tonight, that was buckhalter after westbrook limped off the field holding his groin.

 
Reid and McNabb need to go... Donovan is a good player but not great. He doesnt have "it" when it counts. He is perhaps the Karl Malone or Dirk Nowitzki of the NFL (except he gets hurt more than Mailman).

Reid is a good coach but not great. He can create a perennial above average team but doesnt know how to win it all. Also, as he has gotten older, he has picked up bad habits that lead to poor coaching/decision making.

Last year we had no kick returner. This year, no FB or TE. Next year, it will probably be Tackle.

Reid's decision-making is is idiotic. He doesnt use the clock efficiently.

McNabb is porly conditioned. How on earth did he get tired last game after playing only 20 minutes? I also wonder if he has panic attacks or asthma or something contributing to shortness of breath.

We need to take a hit for a few year.. dump Reid, Hire Spagnolo...

Dump McNabb (Vikings perhaps? ).. Start kolb

People are right that Reid is better than many coaches (Romeo, Lions coach du jour, Raiders coach du jour, Herm).. but he is not elite, does not motivate his team, and doesn't know how to elevate his team when the team needs it

 
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I agree with the posters wanting Ried gone. I thank Andy for the many winning seasons but let's put some things in perspective: the team has been around .500 since the loss to the Patriots in the SB. The Eagles racked up win after win when the NFC stank, especially the East. Ried is absolutley hell-bent on proving that his crazy passing offense works and the team has done nothing to have an ability to "put the hammer down" in years. The last time I remember that was when Duce Staley pounded Tampa Bay for that opening TD in the '02 Conference Championship and we have'nt seen it since. Ried looks lost. It's sad and it sucks hearing his non-commital bunker mentatlity excuses every week. Plus, the D wouldn't give up so many points if it wasn't gassed gassed from being on the field for 45 minutes per game. That's what Ried and his arrogant hold on that crazy passing offense gets you. I'm surprised Jim Johnson doesn't punch him in the face sometimes.

 
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I'd say no. They almost beat the best team in the NFL in my opinion. The Eagles are the 2nd best team in the NFC in my eyes.
No offense, but I think you need new eyes. They are now 0-3 against the NFC East (0-2 at home), but they are supposed to be the 2nd best team in the NFC? No way.
I don't count a loss to the Giants as a negative. They lost to Washington and Dallas with a makeshift offense and they easily could have won either of those games. I think they are a better team than Washington(who I think has a down second half) and Dallas(who is very hit and miss even with Romo.) Who's that leave? I'm not all that impressed by Carolina or Arizona, neither of them have beaten anybody good. Tampa has a major problem on offense and Atlanta just seems a year away to me. The NFC North's best team would go 6-10 in the NFC East.
lame, really lame excuses.. :lmao: Atlanta > Eagles - did you see the Falcons dismantle the highly regarded, highly touted Saints yesterday? did you watch that game at all? Matt Ryan is what Carson Palmer was supposed to be...that team is for real..

Az > Eagles ( AZ undefeated at home, beat up the Romo-led Cowboys) they beat Miami, Buff..they destroyed Buffalo, back when everyone thought the Bills would win the AFC East. @ home, Az is a powerhouse team..

Carolina > Eagles

Washington > Eagles

Chicago > Eagles

TB >= Eagles ( that would be a great game to watch, I'd have to give the edge to Chucky)

just because you're not impressed with Carolina doesn't mean the Panthers are not a good team...they keep winning..Az is a beast @ home, and will probably earn a first round bye in the playoffs..

the Eagles almost won last night's game, but as we know, almost only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades..

your comment about the NFC North teams going 6-10 in the NFC East, is a joke..Chicago beat Philly, so whats your point?! Minnesota would probably trounce the Eagles with ADP running all day long..Washington also beat Philly.

NYG beat Philly..

the Eagles are not that good, plain and simple..you're calling out the other teams by saying they're not that good,they have problems, they can't win, bla bla bla..the fact is, the Eagles have the problems, NOT the other teams..

 
You don't know what yu've got till its gone...
trust me we know what we have.. Philly craves winning. but if we can't win, we want a team that fights and a coach we love.. That is why Buddy Ryan was so loved here. His defense was the pride of the city, Randall put it all on the line, and Buddy was a fighter (literally after he left though).

With Reid we have a pompous, ignorant, slob who is confident. Confidence isnt bad when you make the right decisions. But he doesnt. He leaves the team with glaring weakness year after year but because he us holier than though, we as a city suffer, From having no WR earlier in the decade ,to having no FB now... Reid "values" certain players and leaves huge gaps on the team. Sure, no team can have stars at every position. But.. it can try to have a fullback who has played in the NFL before. He can try to draft a tight end (Olsen last year) rather than be smart and trade down.

He cant call a 2 minute hurry up offense. He cant call timeouts appropriately. He can't challenge plays appropriately.

Andy loves to get cute on draft day. He trades down to stash more picks. Because we dont need a first round player on our roster.

We have seen what we have and choose plan B.

And as for McNabb, he was a great running QB who has become a good pocket QB. But captain comeback he is not. He doesn't inspire the team. he doesn't put the team on his shoulders and get it done. When we are down 4 with 2 minutes left, we know we will lose

The Eagles are 1-10 in their last 11 games decided by 7 points or less.. Think about that and explain why that should be tolerated.

 
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You don't know what yu've got till its gone...
trust me we know what we have.. Philly craves winning. but if we can't win, we want a team that fights and a coach we love.. That is why Buddy Ryan was so loved here. His defense was the pride of the city, Randall put it all on the line, and Buddy was a fighter (literally after he left though).

With Reid we have a pompous, ignorant, slob who is confident. Confidence isnt bad when you make the right decisions. But he doesnt. He leaves the team with glaring weakness year after year but because he us holier than though, we as a city suffer, From having no WR earlier in the decade ,to having no FB now... Reid "values" certain players and leaves huge gaps on the team. Sure, no team can have stars at every position. But.. it can try to have a fullback who has played in the NFL before. He can try to draft a tight end (Olsen last year) rather than be smart and trade down.

He cant call a 2 minute hurry up offense. He cant call timeouts appropriately. He can't challenge plays appropriately.

Andy loves to get cute on draft day. He trades down to stash more picks. Because we dont need a first round player on our roster.

We have seen what we have and choose plan B.

And as for McNabb, he was a great running QB who has become a good pocket QB. But captain comeback he is not. He doesn't inspire the team. he doesn't put the team on his shoulders and get it done. When we are down 4 with 2 minutes left, we know we will lose

The Eagles are 1-10 in their last 11 games decided by 7 points or less.. Think about that and explain why that should be tolerated.
:goodposting: 34 years I been rooting for this team. You nailed it on the head.
 
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While I have seen some questionable play calling from Reid the problem here is the Giants. It is a tough division. The other problem is Westbrook. He is out of sorts and had a lousy game. I agree with the post that Westbrook getting the ball 2 times with the game on the line was bad play calling but you give the ball to a player of this caliber at home vs. the team you have to beat and he could not get it done.

 
Seems like a pretty solid coach with some definite strengths and weaknesses to me. Good with Xs and Os for the most part, good with team motivation etc., not so good with clock management and some of the finer strategic points. That first challenge was a just a complete waste of a timeout.

I'm no Madden basher at all, but as he was starting in on "You have to challenge that, even if you know it isn't going to work." I was thinking "There is no WAY anybody sane would challenge that call after looking at the replay". 2 seconds later, out comes the flag. Couldn't believe it. Anybody think that maybe they could USE that timeout in a close game you are losing with time running out?

But, like I said, the team has been very successful for the most part during his reign, both offensively and defensively - and I'm not sure he has really had ideal talent the whole time.

 
It is time for him to call it a day and move to the front office of the organization.What say you?
When he is no longer coaching the Eagles team will suffer some losing seasons. He has gotten more out of a lack of talent at times than most coaches.To this day I dont know how Ron Wolf ever let him get out of Green Bay. Talk about a big miss, on Wolf's resume.
Holmgren reommended Reid as his successor, maybe that's why he didn't get the job. The last year here wasn't a good one.
 
I've been thinking about this for some time now, like a couple of years. I just didn't want to really "see" the light. I really think Reid is the resaon for the Eagles huge successes since 2003. That being said, I also think Reid is the reason for the Eagles failures in so many situations over the last 4-5 years.I think he is personally the reason our redzone scoring is absolutely horrendous this year. He is also the reason our 2-minute drill sucks as bad as it does. It has never been good under Reid. If the Eagles don't have a lead the defense can protect, we are in major trouble. I am at the point where I think he needs to go, or at least relinquish most (if not all) of the play calling to someone else. Maybe to the OC, maybe not. I just don't know. What I do know is that Reid is absolutely terrible at calling plays anymore. He seems to think his way is going to work, even though it rarely does. When will HE "see" the light? What will it take?McNabb is clearly Reids boy, so it filters down to him also. McNabb does not do so well audibiling at the line of scrimmage. Why? Reid. McNabb clearly does everything by the Reid book. Who would expect otherwise?Something has got to give. Maybe a total collapse by this team is the best thing to wish for at this point. Reason being: If they somehow manage to put together another winning season, then nobody is going to question Reid or consider removing/replacing him. Nor will anybody step in and tell him he needs to focus solely on certain aspects of the team and let his coordinators/assistants do the rest. If the Eagles do end up with a winning season this year I think it will be despite Reids presence, not due to it.I would like to see Cowher in here next year. I think some new Head Coaching blood would be great for this franchise. Cowher wouldn't let his team get to the 1-yard line two weeks in a row without scoring a TD. I can guarantee that!!Just my thoughts on Reid. I could be wrong.
Posted this earlier in the Eagles thread. I suppose Cowher is not the answer, but these were my thoughts back in early October. For the record, I knew we would not win after getting behind late in the game, but still held out hope. The last two play calls w/ Westy running were a joke. The Giants deserved to win with play calling like that from Reid.
 
You don't know what yu've got till its gone...
trust me we know what we have.. Philly craves winning. but if we can't win, we want a team that fights and a coach we love.. That is why Buddy Ryan was so loved here. His defense was the pride of the city, Randall put it all on the line, and Buddy was a fighter (literally after he left though).

With Reid we have a pompous, ignorant, slob who is confident. Confidence isnt bad when you make the right decisions. But he doesn't. He leaves the team with glaring weakness year after year but because he us holier than though, we as a city suffer, From having no WR earlier in the decade ,to having no FB now... Reid "values" certain players and leaves huge gaps on the team. Sure, no team can have stars at every position. But.. it can try to have a fullback who has played in the NFL before. He can try to draft a tight end (Olsen last year) rather than be smart and trade down.

He cant call a 2 minute hurry up offense. He cant call timeouts appropriately. He can't challenge plays appropriately.

Andy loves to get cute on draft day. He trades down to stash more picks. Because we dont need a first round player on our roster.

We have seen what we have and choose plan B.

And as for McNabb, he was a great running QB who has become a good pocket QB. But captain comeback he is not. He doesn't inspire the team. he doesn't put the team on his shoulders and get it done. When we are down 4 with 2 minutes left, we know we will lose

The Eagles are 1-10 in their last 11 games decided by 7 points or less.. Think about that and explain why that should be tolerated.
People from out of town don't understand the total arrogance of the Eagles organization. From Jeff "pedal to the metal" Lurie, Joe Banner, Andy Reid Tom Heckert - these guys strut around like they've won 3 Super Bowls already. Everytime I hear Reid on the day after the game press conference - I want to vomit. Same crap for the past 10 yrs. "It's on me". "I've got to put the players in a better position to make plays". " I've got to do a better job there' blah blah blah.Is there an Eagles fan left that felt confident when we got the ball with 3+ minutes to go - that we were gonna march down the field and score?? Anybody??

Couldn't waste a 2nd round pick to grab Gonzo. You think he might have helped in some of those short yardage failures?? No true FB - ah - don't need one. Just like last season when we didn't need a punt returner. We've never needed a #1 WR EXCEPT the one year we had one - we went to the Super Bowl.

It was totally embarrassing to see Tiki Barber cracking up after the game because he had predicted the Eagles last two plays at the end of the game. Pretty bad when a studio analyst can determine where the play is going. Gee - think Spags had an idea too? :lmao:

This organization is a total fraud - from poor FA decisions (How about that Clemons - played great last night huh?) to all of our top draft picks along the OL & DL getting their butts handed to them last night, to the fact that the Eagles are consistently WAY under the salary cap. BUT hey - we sell-out the stadium plus have an incredible waiting list for season tickets. Yeah - it's a real treat to be an Eagles fan. :lmao:

 
A couple points I'll comment on...

1. The Eagles should have traded their second round pick for Gonzales. McNabb would have thrived with a weapon like that. He would have been McNabb's best receiver since Owens.

2. Between the Bears, Redskins, and Giants games, the Eagles have been stuffed when they needed two yards or less about a half-dozen times. And it's always Westbrook or Buckhalter trying to power their way through the line. I know McNabb doesn't have the running ability that he once did, but fake the handoff and llet him bootleg and have a few options. At least try to make it a challenge for the defense.

3. I also agree that Philly looks top be the second best team in the NFC right now. They have easily handled the teams they should beat, and no one has dominated them, even Dallas when they were good. Philly's a few plays from being unbeaten.

4. I also agree that that there's a very good chance that the Eagles don't make the playoffs. There are far inferior teams that are going to end up with better records. They'll have no one to blame but themselves for failing to get a win in these close games.

 
A couple points I'll comment on...

1. The Eagles should have traded their second round pick for Gonzales. McNabb would have thrived with a weapon like that. He would have been McNabb's best receiver since Owens.

2. Between the Bears, Redskins, and Giants games, the Eagles have been stuffed when they needed two yards or less about a half-dozen times. And it's always Westbrook or Buckhalter trying to power their way through the line. I know McNabb doesn't have the running ability that he once did, but fake the handoff and llet him bootleg and have a few options. At least try to make it a challenge for the defense.

3. I also agree that Philly looks top be the second best team in the NFC right now. They have easily handled the teams they should beat, and no one has dominated them, even Dallas when they were good. Philly's a few plays from being unbeaten.

4. I also agree that that there's a very good chance that the Eagles don't make the playoffs. There are far inferior teams that are going to end up with better records. They'll have no one to blame but themselves for failing to get a win in these close games.
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I echo all of the homers’ insights here. Reid is an average coach. Nothing more, nothing less. He will not get us to the promised land. He’s not smart enough. He is nearly always outcoached in big games against big time competition. I do not want to pin this loss on the shoulders of McNabb, but can someone please explain to me why he often gets fatigued at the end of games? He was bent over gasping for breath, and he hadn’t even been running/sneaking that much. Someone mentioned perhaps he has asthma? In critical games he can often be found panting like a dog on a hot day who’s gone without water for 36 hours.

 
A couple points I'll comment on...

1. The Eagles should have traded their second round pick for Gonzales. McNabb would have thrived with a weapon like that. He would have been McNabb's best receiver since Owens.

2. Between the Bears, Redskins, and Giants games, the Eagles have been stuffed when they needed two yards or less about a half-dozen times. And it's always Westbrook or Buckhalter trying to power their way through the line. I know McNabb doesn't have the running ability that he once did, but fake the handoff and llet him bootleg and have a few options. At least try to make it a challenge for the defense.

3. I also agree that Philly looks top be the second best team in the NFC right now. They have easily handled the teams they should beat, and no one has dominated them, even Dallas when they were good. Philly's a few plays from being unbeaten.

4. I also agree that that there's a very good chance that the Eagles don't make the playoffs. There are far inferior teams that are going to end up with better records. They'll have no one to blame but themselves for failing to get a win in these close games.
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Could well be, I suppose. I just don't see who is better than them in the NFC, besides the Giants. Every other good NFC team has had games where they looked really bad. The Eagles haven't had one. There four losses have all been by a few points to good teams. But then again...scoreboard. Oh well.
 
A couple points I'll comment on...

1. The Eagles should have traded their second round pick for Gonzales. McNabb would have thrived with a weapon like that. He would have been McNabb's best receiver since Owens.

2. Between the Bears, Redskins, and Giants games, the Eagles have been stuffed when they needed two yards or less about a half-dozen times. And it's always Westbrook or Buckhalter trying to power their way through the line. I know McNabb doesn't have the running ability that he once did, but fake the handoff and llet him bootleg and have a few options. At least try to make it a challenge for the defense.

3. I also agree that Philly looks top be the second best team in the NFC right now. They have easily handled the teams they should beat, and no one has dominated them, even Dallas when they were good. Philly's a few plays from being unbeaten.

4. I also agree that that there's a very good chance that the Eagles don't make the playoffs. There are far inferior teams that are going to end up with better records. They'll have no one to blame but themselves for failing to get a win in these close games.
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Could well be, I suppose. I just don't see who is better than them in the NFC, besides the Giants. Every other good NFC team has had games where they looked really bad. The Eagles haven't had one. There four losses have all been by a few points to good teams. But then again...scoreboard. Oh well.
I think teams that are clearly playing a better overall game than them right now are the Giants, Falcons (I know they lost to the Eagles but that game could have gone either way and the Falcons seem to have used it as motivation), Panthers and Cardinals. Does that make these teams better? Not sure. All I keep hearing about from the Eagles is that they make too many mistakes and beat themselves in the foot and don't play up to their level of talent. Maybe this is their level of talent. Maybe they really are just slightly better than average.
 
I echo all of the homers’ insights here. Reid is an average coach. Nothing more, nothing less. He will not get us to the promised land. He’s not smart enough. He is nearly always outcoached in big games against big time competition. I do not want to pin this loss on the shoulders of McNabb, but can someone please explain to me why he often gets fatigued at the end of games? He was bent over gasping for breath, and he hadn’t even been running/sneaking that much. Someone mentioned perhaps he has asthma? In critical games he can often be found panting like a dog on a hot day who’s gone without water for 36 hours.
I mentioned asthma as mere conjecture... It probably is he is just out of shape...

When he came out McNabb was 223 pounds (link-http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61059&draftyear=1999&genpos=QB) ... now he is 240 (link- http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/DonovanMcNabb.html)

20 pounds is a lot to carry around. I undersatnd maybe he was thin when he came out.. but he looked good- http://mumsonthemove.com/inspired_moms/ful...abb_college.jpg

If it isnt poor conditioning... then it has to be something medical.. asthma or panic attacks are my leading theories

 
The Eagles are a victim of their success from the first half of this decade. Reid put together a very good team, but was also helped by the three division rivals being mediocre or worse for many of those years. This enabled them to win the division easily without things like a two-minute offense or responsible clock management being needed for the most part. It also enabled them to contend despite mediocrity on the back end of the roster -- people like Reno Mahe and Greg Lewis have had far longer NFL careers than they should have because they are "Andy's guys."

Fast-forward to today. Reid and the Eagles have changed nothing about their approach to roster construction, playcalling, and game management. They figure that if it worked from 2000 to 2004, it'll work now. But now the three division rivals have gotten very good again, and the team DOES need a two-minute offense, responsible clock management, etc. in order to win enough games to make the playoffs. But Andy either doesn't think those are necessary or is simply not capable of pulling them off.

But given his history here, and how much the front office (the key members of which are just as arrogant and stubborn as Reid) loves him, he'll have the job for as many 7-9 or 8-8 seasons as he can string out. Involuntary change will only happen if we have, say, three straight seasons of the 4-12 ilk, and for all its flaws the team is nowhere near that bad, and shouldn't be for a while. So I think we're stuck with him, and all we can do is hope, however unlikely, that he changes his ways.

(Speaking of Greg Lewis, how the heck can someone who has been in the NFL as long as he has run into a guy who's called for a fair catch?)

 
It's just like Bucs fans who complain about Gruden - neither fanbase knows how good it has it.

Look around at all the horrible coaching in the NFL - Childress, Marinelli, Phillips, Singletary, Haslett, Edwards, the joke of a guy in Oakland, Turner, Lewis, Crennel...it really just goes on and on and on. Be thankful for what you have.

 
The Eagles are a victim of their success from the first half of this decade. Reid put together a very good team, but was also helped by the three division rivals being mediocre or worse for many of those years. This enabled them to win the division easily without things like a two-minute offense or responsible clock management being needed for the most part. It also enabled them to contend despite mediocrity on the back end of the roster -- people like Reno Mahe and Greg Lewis have had far longer NFL careers than they should have because they are "Andy's guys." Fast-forward to today. Reid and the Eagles have changed nothing about their approach to roster construction, playcalling, and game management. They figure that if it worked from 2000 to 2004, it'll work now. But now the three division rivals have gotten very good again, and the team DOES need a two-minute offense, responsible clock management, etc. in order to win enough games to make the playoffs. But Andy either doesn't think those are necessary or is simply not capable of pulling them off. But given his history here, and how much the front office (the key members of which are just as arrogant and stubborn as Reid) loves him, he'll have the job for as many 7-9 or 8-8 seasons as he can string out. Involuntary change will only happen if we have, say, three straight seasons of the 4-12 ilk, and for all its flaws the team is nowhere near that bad, and shouldn't be for a while. So I think we're stuck with him, and all we can do is hope, however unlikely, that he changes his ways. (Speaking of Greg Lewis, how the heck can someone who has been in the NFL as long as he has run into a guy who's called for a fair catch?)
I've said it other threads....I commend Reid for turning around a bad team. He deserves a lot of credit for the early success. But the Eagles are now 3 1/2 seasons removed from the Super Bowl. Look at their record since and compare it with the likes of Kotite and Rhodes and you tell me who the stand out coach is. Kotite and Rhodes each coached the Eagles for 4 seasons. Here's the win percentage of the three coaches....0.563, 0.453, 0.509.If Reid's tenure started with the '05 season, would he still be considered one the best coaches in the league?
 
It's just like Bucs fans who complain about Gruden - neither fanbase knows how good it has it.Look around at all the horrible coaching in the NFL - Childress, Marinelli, Phillips, Singletary, Haslett, Edwards, the joke of a guy in Oakland, Turner, Lewis, Crennel...it really just goes on and on and on. Be thankful for what you have.
While excellence is rare, being complacent with adequacy is a recipe for failure.
 
lame, really lame excuses.. :goodposting:

Atlanta > Eagles - did you see the Falcons dismantle the highly regarded, highly touted Saints yesterday? did you watch that game at all? Matt Ryan is what Carson Palmer was supposed to be...that team is for real..

Az > Eagles ( AZ undefeated at home, beat up the Romo-led Cowboys) they beat Miami, Buff..they destroyed Buffalo, back when everyone thought the Bills would win the AFC East. @ home, Az is a powerhouse team..

Carolina > Eagles

Washington > Eagles

Chicago > Eagles

TB >= Eagles ( that would be a great game to watch, I'd have to give the edge to Chucky)

just because you're not impressed with Carolina doesn't mean the Panthers are not a good team...they keep winning..Az is a beast @ home, and will probably earn a first round bye in the playoffs..

the Eagles almost won last night's game, but as we know, almost only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades..

your comment about the NFC North teams going 6-10 in the NFC East, is a joke..Chicago beat Philly, so whats your point?! Minnesota would probably trounce the Eagles with ADP running all day long..Washington also beat Philly.

NYG beat Philly..

the Eagles are not that good, plain and simple..you're calling out the other teams by saying they're not that good,they have problems, they can't win, bla bla bla..the fact is, the Eagles have the problems, NOT the other teams..
Um what? Atlanta is better because they beat a highly regarded/touted Saints team? Who regards the Saints highly? That would have been one of the biggest upsets of the week if NO would have won that game. The Saints are BY FAR the worst team in the NFC South without Bush. Pretty sure Philly beat Atlanta in week 8 and by a decent margin as well, I like Atlanta and have been on their bandwagon since the preseason. I think they'll win the South, but they are a year away from doing real damage in the playoffs.

I think Arizona as the 3rd best team in the NFC, but those 3 games you pointed out aren't near as impressive as you are making them sound. Dallas is and has been an overrated team with no pass defense. Miami was one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL when they played Arizona, in fact it was that game that caused Miami to make major changes to their scheme, not to mention they had only had their QB for about 3 weeks. Was Buffalo really a consensus favorite to win the AFC East? I never had them above NE. I do agree that the Cards will likely get a 1st round bye.

Carolina beat Arizona(luckily) and that's it and they've looked awful in several games, they lose to 29 teams in the NFL if they play like they did this week again. I see 4 more losses on their schedule. Outside of next week against Detroit, I could see them losing every other game on their schedule, including home against Denver and their 3 remaining division games. Not saying they will, just saying it wouldn't shock me if they did.

Washington already peaked, they have looked very average the last month or so. They were very lucky to beat Cleveland and Detroit. I see about 3 more winnable games on their schedule and I very much believe that they are the worst team in the East. They did beat Dallas and Philly, but I doubt they can do it again.

Chicago and Tampa are similar in that they are both smoke and mirrors teams(at least on offense) and unlike in previous years I don't think their defenses are good enough to carry them too far this year, though the Bears are probably going to win the North.

Finally, I'm not sure how Philly being without Westbrook or Curtis is a weak excuse. Take away the best offensive player and #1 WR from any of those teams and how good are they?

 
I've said it other threads....I commend Reid for turning around a bad team. He deserves a lot of credit for the early success. But the Eagles are now 3 1/2 seasons removed from the Super Bowl. Look at their record since and compare it with the likes of Kotite and Rhodes and you tell me who the stand out coach is. Kotite and Rhodes each coached the Eagles for 4 seasons. Here's the win percentage of the three coaches....0.563, 0.453, 0.509.

If Reid's tenure started with the '05 season, would he still be considered one the best coaches in the league?
There are 25 teams who wish they were 3 1/2 years removed from a Super Bowl.
 
It's just like Bucs fans who complain about Gruden - neither fanbase knows how good it has it.Look around at all the horrible coaching in the NFL - Childress, Marinelli, Phillips, Singletary, Haslett, Edwards, the joke of a guy in Oakland, Turner, Lewis, Crennel...it really just goes on and on and on. Be thankful for what you have.
While excellence is rare, being complacent with adequacy is a recipe for failure.
I still think Reid is well above "adequate" and near the top except in one very critical area....he doesn't acknowledge and address his own shortcomings.Why did he make the first challenge? He did so quickly and obviously on his own (he even said so at his press conferance a little bit ago.) I'm pretty sure he was calling the plays near the end...the ridiculous running plays. Terrible short yardage conversion rates.AR has built a good roster. The team plays hard all the time and obviously have the talent to compete with the best. The overall offensive and defensive #s are excellant, so it isn't general schemes. AR needs to let someone else call the plays and listen to the boys in the booth on the challenges.
 
lame, really lame excuses.. :goodposting:

Atlanta > Eagles - did you see the Falcons dismantle the highly regarded, highly touted Saints yesterday? did you watch that game at all? Matt Ryan is what Carson Palmer was supposed to be...that team is for real..

Az > Eagles ( AZ undefeated at home, beat up the Romo-led Cowboys) they beat Miami, Buff..they destroyed Buffalo, back when everyone thought the Bills would win the AFC East. @ home, Az is a powerhouse team..

Carolina > Eagles

Washington > Eagles

Chicago > Eagles

TB >= Eagles ( that would be a great game to watch, I'd have to give the edge to Chucky)

just because you're not impressed with Carolina doesn't mean the Panthers are not a good team...they keep winning..Az is a beast @ home, and will probably earn a first round bye in the playoffs..

the Eagles almost won last night's game, but as we know, almost only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades..

your comment about the NFC North teams going 6-10 in the NFC East, is a joke..Chicago beat Philly, so whats your point?! Minnesota would probably trounce the Eagles with ADP running all day long..Washington also beat Philly.

NYG beat Philly..

the Eagles are not that good, plain and simple..you're calling out the other teams by saying they're not that good,they have problems, they can't win, bla bla bla..the fact is, the Eagles have the problems, NOT the other teams..
Um what? Atlanta is better because they beat a highly regarded/touted Saints team? Who regards the Saints highly? That would have been one of the biggest upsets of the week if NO would have won that game. The Saints are BY FAR the worst team in the NFC South without Bush. Pretty sure Philly beat Atlanta in week 8 and by a decent margin as well, I like Atlanta and have been on their bandwagon since the preseason. I think they'll win the South, but they are a year away from doing real damage in the playoffs.

I think Arizona as the 3rd best team in the NFC, but those 3 games you pointed out aren't near as impressive as you are making them sound. Dallas is and has been an overrated team with no pass defense. Miami was one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL when they played Arizona, in fact it was that game that caused Miami to make major changes to their scheme, not to mention they had only had their QB for about 3 weeks. Was Buffalo really a consensus favorite to win the AFC East? I never had them above NE. I do agree that the Cards will likely get a 1st round bye.

Carolina beat Arizona(luckily) and that's it and they've looked awful in several games, they lose to 29 teams in the NFL if they play like they did this week again. I see 4 more losses on their schedule. Outside of next week against Detroit, I could see them losing every other game on their schedule, including home against Denver and their 3 remaining division games. Not saying they will, just saying it wouldn't shock me if they did.

Washington already peaked, they have looked very average the last month or so. They were very lucky to beat Cleveland and Detroit. I see about 3 more winnable games on their schedule and I very much believe that they are the worst team in the East. They did beat Dallas and Philly, but I doubt they can do it again.

Chicago and Tampa are similar in that they are both smoke and mirrors teams(at least on offense) and unlike in previous years I don't think their defenses are good enough to carry them too far this year, though the Bears are probably going to win the North.

Finally, I'm not sure how Philly being without Westbrook or Curtis is a weak excuse. Take away the best offensive player and #1 WR from any of those teams and how good are they?
OK you've talked a lot about the other teams' deficiencies but what about the Eagles? If you're telling me Atlanta isn't a very good team, then the only quality win for the Eagles was over Pittsburgh. Other than that, who exactly have the Eagles beaten? From an objective standpoint, I don't see the Eagles as a top 2 or 3 team in the NFC for several reasons:1. They're not a very good team against the run when they face a good rb

2. Their playcalling is still way too conservative at the end of halves

3. McNabb still doesn't seem to shine when the game is on the line

4. They don't have a running game that can grind it out and pick up key first downs in short yard situations

5. McNabb is still too inconsistent.

 
I've said it other threads....I commend Reid for turning around a bad team. He deserves a lot of credit for the early success. But the Eagles are now 3 1/2 seasons removed from the Super Bowl. Look at their record since and compare it with the likes of Kotite and Rhodes and you tell me who the stand out coach is. Kotite and Rhodes each coached the Eagles for 4 seasons. Here's the win percentage of the three coaches....0.563, 0.453, 0.509.

If Reid's tenure started with the '05 season, would he still be considered one the best coaches in the league?
There are 25 teams who wish they were 3 1/2 years removed from a Super Bowl.
Don't know about you, but I want to see them get back.
 
lame, really lame excuses.. :goodposting:

Atlanta > Eagles - did you see the Falcons dismantle the highly regarded, highly touted Saints yesterday? did you watch that game at all? Matt Ryan is what Carson Palmer was supposed to be...that team is for real..

Az > Eagles ( AZ undefeated at home, beat up the Romo-led Cowboys) they beat Miami, Buff..they destroyed Buffalo, back when everyone thought the Bills would win the AFC East. @ home, Az is a powerhouse team..

Carolina > Eagles

Washington > Eagles

Chicago > Eagles

TB >= Eagles ( that would be a great game to watch, I'd have to give the edge to Chucky)

just because you're not impressed with Carolina doesn't mean the Panthers are not a good team...they keep winning..Az is a beast @ home, and will probably earn a first round bye in the playoffs..

the Eagles almost won last night's game, but as we know, almost only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades..

your comment about the NFC North teams going 6-10 in the NFC East, is a joke..Chicago beat Philly, so whats your point?! Minnesota would probably trounce the Eagles with ADP running all day long..Washington also beat Philly.

NYG beat Philly..

the Eagles are not that good, plain and simple..you're calling out the other teams by saying they're not that good,they have problems, they can't win, bla bla bla..the fact is, the Eagles have the problems, NOT the other teams..
Um what? Atlanta is better because they beat a highly regarded/touted Saints team? Who regards the Saints highly? That would have been one of the biggest upsets of the week if NO would have won that game. The Saints are BY FAR the worst team in the NFC South without Bush. Pretty sure Philly beat Atlanta in week 8 and by a decent margin as well, I like Atlanta and have been on their bandwagon since the preseason. I think they'll win the South, but they are a year away from doing real damage in the playoffs.
Actually, the Eagles were very lucky to beat Atlanta at the Linc. The Atlanta game was very close to a loss. If they had lost it maybe more people would realize just how inept Reid has become.They were winning 20-7 when Atlanta got the ball at their own 18 yd line. Atlanta drove the field and scored with just over 4 minutes to play to make it 20-14.

Now this is where it shows just how poorly Reid coaches UNDER FIRE :

M.Koenen kicks 74 yards from ATL 25 to PHI 1. 39-Q.Demps to PHI 17 for 16 yards (44-J.Snelling).

Timeout #2 by PHI at 03:42.

1-10-PHI 17 (3:42) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 87-B.Celek to PHI 25 for 8 yards (24-D.Foxworth).

2-2-PHI 25 (3:01) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 26 for 1 yard (59-M.Boley).

Timeout #2 by ATL at 02:54.

3-1-PHI 26 (2:54) 36-B.Westbrook left end to PHI 26 for no gain (92-C.Davis).

Timeout #3 by ATL at 02:28.

4-1-PHI 26 (2:28) 6-S.Rocca punts 34 yards to ATL 40, Center-46-J.Dorenbos. 81-A.Jennings MUFFS catch, RECOVERED by PHI-56-A.Jordan at ATL 37.

Check it out. The Eagles use a timeout AFTER returning the kickoff. What the heck were they doing on the sidelines prior to this?

Then 8 yds to Celek followed by ................ drum roll please

Westbrook up the middle for 1 followed by Westbrook wide for no gain..

Wow - why does that sound familiar?????

Now the Eagles punt and Atlanta is called for a muffed punt even though the ball clearly NEVER touched the Atlanta player. Fortunately - the Atlanta coach had no timeouts left to challenge. The Atlanta team is dumbfounded that everybody except the officials knew it was a bad call and they couldn't do anything about it.

The next play Westbrook blows by an Atlanta team that was reeling from the blown call for a 39 yd TD. Final 27-14.

:popcorn:

 
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