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Political arguments are rarely won, but that doesn’t mean they serve no purpose. They clarify differences of opinion from those of goodwill on opposite sides. And they can be quite informative to read, especially for those not aware of many of the facts.
First off I have no ilk. I wish I did.
It’s a pretty good bet. Look at the candidates that receive his endorsements, study their stances and statements. I challenge you to find a centrist or moderate.
He might be. But from what I’ve read, if he loses it’s because he’s not MAGA enough and the voters think Trump made an error choosing him.
OK. You guys want to argue that MAGA isn’t extreme, have at it. Im too busy to go down that rabbit hole.
Yeah it's almost like the voters are choosing their candidates. But that's not nearly as scary as "the extremists are taking over".
Republican voters are consistently choosing the most extremist candidate. And yes it’s scary.
I wasn’t denigrating you. My comments about they drove us to it were in response to your statement “this”, meaning, I presume, that you were in full agreement with the post you quoted. That post asserted that it is the Democrats’ fault that Republicans are voting for MAGA types. Thus, “they drove us to it.”
A thread like this? I doubt it. In general? sure. I changed my stances on a few things in the last several years in large part due to info and discussions in these forums. Imo if the answer is no and you've been around here for years you either aren't engaging with the correct posters, or you weren't open minded heading in to the discussions.
Well, you first took a victory lap after a post giving 2 counters to your original 1 example.
JD Vance is such a perfect example of the Trump endorsement thing. Vance was a huge critic of Trump, until he needed his endorsement to have any shot at winning the primary. Well, he got the endorsement by espousing some pretty extreme views (make abortion illegal with no exceptions for rape or incest, Trump lost because of widespread voter fraud, Biden is flooding Ohio with illegal drugs, etc.), and by apologizing and bowing down to Trump.
They aren’t doing it consistently - but it is often enough that it is indeed scary
Al Franken would disagree.He felt pressure from his own caucus to resign. I would say Democrats are better about criticizing their own for illegal behavior despite not impeaching Clinton for his immoral behavior. (I thought they should have however)
As a businessman, I’ll never understand the business genius label given to him while being a well-documented stiff.
Based on what metrics?
i think id rather see the people that claim Trump ruined things by explaining how Bidens reversals of Trump policies have helped us and not made things worse,the southern Border for example
1/6 was a pretty big deal and any conversation about Trump and his presidency would be highly incomplete without discussing it
Not much help with record gas prices and 40 year high inflation. You also have the immigration issue in boarder states. Doesn’t look good for then Dems.
This. I'm a registered republican but truth be told I have voted for both R and D candidates so I'm a centrist. But I will not vote for any candidate that aligns themselves with Trump and the MAGA movement. It used to be you voted for the Candidate with best ideas that would make YOUR life better. From what I can see, many of the right now vote for the Candidate that can make the Liberals life WORSE. Owning the Libs is no way to govern.
I fully agree with the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson...
IMO this is unknown until we see if Roe is officially overturned and how the party reacts to it. Will anti-abortion crusaders feel empowered enough to campaign on making abortion a death penalty-level offense? How will testing the waters on a nationwide abortion ban go? Will the bloc that wants to ban contraceptives get traction?
Same publication...
It’s still a big number no matter how you slice it. And it’s pretty obvious that Trump pays a huge role in getting these guys nominated. If he didn’t, they wouldn’t all be begging for his endorsement.
As long as the young people continue to stay home, the Dems will get white-washed. But... Roe vs Wade may play a role in getting them to the polls. It's difficult to say, because they are notorious for staying home.
I think the candidate polling way ahead and being more popular plays a huge part in trump endorsing them.
But this is simply the most mundane ordinary political stuff. Trump is popular - candidates are going to want his endorsement. When Biden was running he mercilessly abused the phrase "my friend Barack Obama . . . "
Whether they are "issues voters care about" isn't really the point. The point is, those things, plus a host of others, clearly show that one of the Trump/MAGA overriding political philosophies is "laws and guardrails don't apply to us". That is absolutely an extreme position.
Sorry, but this is just an absolute fiction. Trump didn't implement anything to help with climate change. You can say the Paris Accord wasn't good enough, but if you're going to do so, you need to advocate for something bigger and better, not just take your ball and go home. And let's not pretend that Trump left the Paris Accord because it didn't do enough to combat climate change. Re: NATO and defense spending, you have the cause and affect backwards. It's not "the US spends more because NATO countries spend less", it's "NATO countries spend less BECAUSE the US spends more". That is, our Congress (both parties) is in thrall to the defense industry and spends so much that other NATO countries don't need to. And just stop with "the wall". How many new miles of wall did Trump build? How much did he and his cronies grift via GoFundMe and other sources for "the wall"? How'd that work out? How'd "Mexico will pay for it" work out?
Rich nothing we do will help with climate change. We could go 100% zero carbon tomorrow and China and India alone would wipe that out in 10 years. What’s the point? This would all come at the expense of working and middle class families. The left doesn’t have a leg to stand on regarding the climate unless they get serious about nuclear
