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I was remembering the lawsuit trying to invalidate votes in other states, which Huizenga did support.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/109-republicans-election-amicus-brief-1102531/
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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/109-republicans-election-amicus-brief-1102531/
Interesting words from Sen Romney (although when he brings up the national debt his support for billionaire tax cuts is a major contribution)
“Now, no more stunning evidence of that was the attempt to prevent the lawful and constitutional transfer of power on Jan. 6. It followed from the president of the United States claiming that the election had been stolen from him,” Romney said. “His purported evidence spun from pillar to post, from counterfeit ballots imported from China to stuffed ballot boxes, to dead voters, to voting machines manipulated from some far off place.”
Romney’s prescription to fight these concerns and refocus on the biggest issues of the day is “to exercise, what our founders called, public virtues.”
“The founder of my religion is reported to have said that the Constitution of the United States would some day hang, as it were, by a thread. Further, that the elders of the church would save it. And they didn’t have tape recorders back then or smartphones. And I’m not sure at all that he actually said that. But if you will allow me some literary license,” Romney said, “I’d suggest that this sentiment may apply to all of us, not just to a few Latter-day Saint elders.”
He said those public virtues included listening to others you disagree with, to seek out quality sources of news, to defend the whole U.S. Constitution, and to elect people of strong moral character.
Romney lamented that “increasingly what’s happening is that people who are getting elected are performers.” He argues these officials are trying to curry public favor, following polls to do what is popular, when he said the role of elected officials is to represent those who vote for them even if that means making hard choices.
“I hope that we’re able to return,” he added, “to a time when those who we elect often do things we disagree with.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/09/17/speech-byu-mitt-romney/
“Now, no more stunning evidence of that was the attempt to prevent the lawful and constitutional transfer of power on Jan. 6. It followed from the president of the United States claiming that the election had been stolen from him,” Romney said. “His purported evidence spun from pillar to post, from counterfeit ballots imported from China to stuffed ballot boxes, to dead voters, to voting machines manipulated from some far off place.”
Romney’s prescription to fight these concerns and refocus on the biggest issues of the day is “to exercise, what our founders called, public virtues.”
“The founder of my religion is reported to have said that the Constitution of the United States would some day hang, as it were, by a thread. Further, that the elders of the church would save it. And they didn’t have tape recorders back then or smartphones. And I’m not sure at all that he actually said that. But if you will allow me some literary license,” Romney said, “I’d suggest that this sentiment may apply to all of us, not just to a few Latter-day Saint elders.”
He said those public virtues included listening to others you disagree with, to seek out quality sources of news, to defend the whole U.S. Constitution, and to elect people of strong moral character.
Romney lamented that “increasingly what’s happening is that people who are getting elected are performers.” He argues these officials are trying to curry public favor, following polls to do what is popular, when he said the role of elected officials is to represent those who vote for them even if that means making hard choices.
“I hope that we’re able to return,” he added, “to a time when those who we elect often do things we disagree with.”
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/09/17/speech-byu-mitt-romney/
quick-hands
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Didn't we just have that last administration. I mean you don't do that as a Democrat. Nobody goes against the political establishment in the democrat party. You are dead in the capitol city if you do that.
It's different in the Republican party. A never Trumper or rino will be awash in democratic cash.
When Romney is voted out next year I'm sure he will find work if he wants it. He has all the money he needs. And binders full of women.
Yes we had a president who often did things we disagreed with but we disagreed because it was flat out wrong. What Romney is referring to is things like the quid pro quo, the challenging election results without evidence, denying Covid 19 was big deal even though President Trump knew better. What Romney is talking about is investigating the 1/6 insurrection like Liz Cheney even though it could expose the wrongdoing of members of your own party, voting to impeach a President even though he is from your own party. You know, doing the right thing even though it is not going to help you get reelected. So absolutely no that is not what we are talking about here.
Grace Under Pressure
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So is there an alternative to Trump yet? Or is it just the party of Trump still? I'd be interested in the choice if it isn't him. I'm not that pleased with Biden, never was. I hope we get two new candidates in 2024 but I'm not optimistic.
The Commish
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Of course not....this is a modified Thelma and Louise situation. They are in the car together, but Trump will jump out just before he sends the car off the cliff.
whoknew
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I don't really understand this post. Maybe I am misunderstanding.
But the GOP is in the process of purging anyone who disagrees with Trump. And the Dems have lots of disagreements. I think AOC, for example, said that the only country in which she and Joe Biden would be in the same party is the US.
sho nuff
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Huh? The progressives have been going against the more moderate dems for a while now. And they aren’t getting written out of the party.
Amused to Death
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In what ways, other than disagreeing with Trump, is Romney a RINO? Is he not a conservative? Is he suddenly in favor of the liberal agenda?
Or is the current meaning of RINO anyone who dares to challenge Trump? Maybe Trump's the real RINO.
quick-hands
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ive said it before.
the dems have already purged the people who dont play by the blue playbook. Nobody speaks out there are no more joe Lieberman's. joe manchin is as close as you get and he wants another reelection and the dems need the seat. but he never talks about the direction of the party.
so maybe the republicans are getting rid of rino's and never trumpers. but there is nothing like that in the democratic party. speak out you won't raise a dime you will not even get a job after you lose.
quick-hands
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the moderates are going to be removed. they are scared of the the party leadership which isnt the super delagate s anymore. not surprised you are unable to see this. blue glasses.
quick-hands
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Failing republican politicians fall into the RINO category by default. They just don't have the mustard.
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The Commish
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huh....Trump's a RINO now....good to know 
whoknew
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1) What would you classify a member of The Squad as? How about Bernie?
2) What makes someone a RINO?
quick-hands
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Thanks for those questions, I really appreciate them.
1) I never brought up the squad. But the big 4. Aoc, Tlaib, omar, presley, plus those other two. They run the 100 or so progressives
Bernie is a democratic socialist AKA a Marxist.
2) a rino is a person who campaigns one way and votes another. Wants to be in the congress and everything they do is to curry favor in Washington. Washington is more important than the people who sent them to congress. As a rule they are two faced bastards.
Thanks again
Zow
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Zow
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Looking back, I really wish Romney won in 2012. I say this not because I didn't like Obama (I liked him a lot but have some policy differences with him), but because I think the GOP just couldn't handle eight years of a black democrat in office and the unfortunate result was the unexpected (at least to me) nomination of a bordeline comic-book character reality TV star and child of wealth with no real governmental, legal, or military experience that wound up being nominated and took the party away from respectable, reasonable, educated, and well-qualified candidates such as McCain, Romney, Kasich, etc.
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Zow
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Funny. I didn't vote for either Obama or Trump and I'm a registered Republican.
ETA: I do agree that I shouldn't have used a sweeping generalization for all of the GOP. I'd concede that I should have written "a majority of the GOP."
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quick-hands
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Zow
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Also, I thought the math showed that it wasn't the "swing voters" as Trump received a similar vote total to Romney. Instead, IIRC, the numbers suggested that Hillary was such an unlikeable and uninspiring candidate that she didn't turn out the democratic vote like Obama did. I also believe she lost the white female middle to upper class demographic.
Zow
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A black democrat, yes.
ETA: And I'm unsure how to define "average." I'd prefer to go with a "sizable number of..."
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Summer Wheat
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Zow
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Well, fair, but I do still prefer a lot of the fiscal policies of the GOP as well as their general political theory regarding the size of government and the limited role of the executive branch (which is obviously one of the many reasons I didn't like Trump and now have to grin and bear Biden).
So, perhaps going full circle here within the thread and its title, I'm not sure where I land.*
*I'm going to remain a registered Republican for local political reasons even if, on a national scale, I'm on some island away from mainland Republicans.
Zow
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True. But to me that just exemplifies why a representative democracy is a sub-ideal/sub-perfect (although relatively safe) form of government.
The Commish
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The Commish
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Now Zow is a "leftist"??? Well done GB!!!!!!!
Nugget
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Every Republican nominee for President since 2000 (except Trump) is now a RINO.
Every Republican Speaker of the House since 2000 are now RINOs - including John Boehner and Paul Ryan.
Bill Barr, Mitch McConnell, Liz Cheney, Asa Hutchinson - take a guess.
I'm a fan of Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake, but they don't stand a chance in this current environment.
If the party follows Trump, Ted Cruz, Kevin McCarthy, and Josh Hawley, I think the Republican party will be much worse off.
Every Republican Speaker of the House since 2000 are now RINOs - including John Boehner and Paul Ryan.
Bill Barr, Mitch McConnell, Liz Cheney, Asa Hutchinson - take a guess.
I'm a fan of Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake, but they don't stand a chance in this current environment.
If the party follows Trump, Ted Cruz, Kevin McCarthy, and Josh Hawley, I think the Republican party will be much worse off.
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Snotbubbles
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quick-hands said:
Think you meant Arlen Specter. He actually changed parties at the end to hold onto his seat.
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Snotbubbles
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Zow said:
Unfortunately, when the Republican party gets control of government they do a very poor job of shrinking it. It was a major complaint I had with Trump. He lowered taxes but didn't also lower the budget.
I'm a registered Democrat, but I identify more with the Libertarian Party. The Democratic party has gone way too left for my liking.
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