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Just had an itch to open something yesterday. Went to my local card store. I got a blaster of Prestige and Elite Football, two packs of Chronicles Football and two packs of Hoops.  

I knew the odds of getting anything of interest from the Prestige box was next to nothing and I was right. Just nothing of note at all from those ten packs.

I got a Zach Wilson RC (non-numbered) from the Elite and a Jamar Chase and Mac Jones RCs (non-numbered) from the Chronicles--absolute nothing from Hoops.

Now a bad day of card opening is pretty much better than a good day of most other things, but $165 for so few cards didn't make my wife happy. It just felt good to open some packs. 

 
Courtjester said:
Just had an itch to open something yesterday. Went to my local card store. I got a blaster of Prestige and Elite Football, two packs of Chronicles Football and two packs of Hoops.  

I knew the odds of getting anything of interest from the Prestige box was next to nothing and I was right. Just nothing of note at all from those ten packs.

I got a Zach Wilson RC (non-numbered) from the Elite and a Jamar Chase and Mac Jones RCs (non-numbered) from the Chronicles--absolute nothing from Hoops.

Now a bad day of card opening is pretty much better than a good day of most other things, but $165 for so few cards didn't make my wife happy. It just felt good to open some packs. 
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I also wanted to rip a little something yesterday. Opened the last two of my 2020 Chronicles football fat packs to find 2 Herberts (Luminance and Score update) and 1 Burrow (Panini base). I'll take it.

Even though it's a really low-end product, I'm actually looking forward to Hoops. My stores haven't gotten any yet. With Panini so far behind schedule, I've been waiting to collect these new rookies for quite a while. Exciting class.

 
My daughter just sent me a picture from her Walgreens in Ft Collins. They have a big Panini display full of wax. None of the Walgreens by me has anything like that--nor have they ever had cards other than like Yu Gi Oh stuff.  

 
Haven’t bought any of the 2022 topps yet, but Heritage came out yesterday (1973 design).  Something to do on the last days of winter.

 
Sent my first batch of cards off to PSA. They are doing a lotto to get the $50/card rate right now 2x a week Tuesdays/Thursday, but you gotta be a member. Right now, turnaround time for these economy orders are coming back in *just over* a month, which is crazy considering people that sent their stuff back in Feb of LAST YEAR are also just getting stuff back too. 5 cards, all the same Trey Lance card, hoping for an 80% gem rate, we shall see. Gonna be hard to NOT look at the pop report, but I really want to open it blind when it comes in the mail.

 
Terpman22 said:
Sent my first batch of cards off to PSA. They are doing a lotto to get the $50/card rate right now 2x a week Tuesdays/Thursday, but you gotta be a member. Right now, turnaround time for these economy orders are coming back in *just over* a month, which is crazy considering people that sent their stuff back in Feb of LAST YEAR are also just getting stuff back too. 5 cards, all the same Trey Lance card, hoping for an 80% gem rate, we shall see. Gonna be hard to NOT look at the pop report, but I really want to open it blind when it comes in the mail.
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I got my 1st economy sub back last week. 5 cards.Also have a 20 card lot in process I should get back in a couple weeks.

I have a 20 card lot available to send in but dont think i will use it.

I open all my orders blind.

Lots of fun.

I was very pleased.

3 of the cards were my friend 2 were mine.

My 2 were

1975 Brett PSA 8 and 1955 Koufax PSA 2.5

 
comfortably numb said:
I got my 1st economy sub back last week. 5 cards.Also have a 20 card lot in process I should get back in a couple weeks.

I have a 20 card lot available to send in but dont think i will use it.

I open all my orders blind.

Lots of fun.

I was very pleased.

3 of the cards were my friend 2 were mine.

My 2 were

1975 Brett PSA 8 and 1955 Koufax PSA 2.5
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Hell of a couple cards there! Hell yeah. 

 
Terpman22 said:
Hell of a couple cards there! Hell yeah. 
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Yep.

Actually bought that Brett at a local card shop for 100.

If anyone loca (NJ)l wants to send cards in at the 50 rate I have a 20 card sub that will expire tomorrow. 

I can submit for you.

I have a few hundred cards set aside but not at the 50 rate.

I may pick out a few and send something out with a friend but not 20 cards.

 
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For those who want to beat the jump on rookie cards,  Suzuki from the Cubs was issued in today’s Topps Now.  You can save some money and get it on eBay for $5-6.  Suzuki is the favorite to win NL ROY and has no cards until series 2.

 
I won another 20 card lot to send into PSA for $50/card.

I doubt I use em all (any?) 

If anyone local in the NJ area wants to send cards in you can piggyback. Just lmk

 
Any idea if older cards have any value these days?  For instance an '89 Griffey Jr. Upper Deck rookie #1 card?

I tried google but the info varies to a ridiculous degree.

 
comfortably numb said:
Raw in nrmt/mint is about 40-60+

Psa 8

100ish

Psa 9

250+

Psa 10

2k+
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So it's in a hard plastic case.  To get true value we'd need to send it in to those folks?  And once we determine value is there a best place to sell?

I ask because me dad received many many cards as a gift.  He sells books (and now maybe cards) and gives the proceeds to charity.  So he's most interested in selling for an appropriate value and not holding them for however long.

 
facook said:
So it's in a hard plastic case.  To get true value we'd need to send it in to those folks?  And once we determine value is there a best place to sell?

I ask because me dad received many many cards as a gift.  He sells books (and now maybe cards) and gives the proceeds to charity.  So he's most interested in selling for an appropriate value and not holding them for however long.
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PSA commands most resale but right now they are $50 a card and you need to win a random submission.

Honestly...if you post pics or a link I or others may be able to easily tell you if a 10 is a possibility. 

Cards of the late 80s or early 90s are o KY worthy of grading if there is a chance of a 10.

 
comfortably numb said:
PSA commands most resale but right now they are $50 a card and you need to win a random submission.

Honestly...if you post pics or a link I or others may be able to easily tell you if a 10 is a possibility. 

Cards of the late 80s or early 90s are o KY worthy of grading if there is a chance of a 10.
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Thanks.  I'll try to get better pictures than what I have for a good judgement.  I'd be shocked by a 10 but who knows.  

 
FairWarning said:
For those who want to beat the jump on rookie cards,  Suzuki from the Cubs was issued in today’s Topps Now.  You can save some money and get it on eBay for $5-6.  Suzuki is the favorite to win NL ROY and has no cards until series 2.
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missed em I guess... they've already jumped on eBay it looks like

 
facook said:
So it's in a hard plastic case.  To get true value we'd need to send it in to those folks?  And once we determine value is there a best place to sell?

I ask because me dad received many many cards as a gift.  He sells books (and now maybe cards) and gives the proceeds to charity.  So he's most interested in selling for an appropriate value and not holding them for however long.
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The grading process can be a real pain and likely not worth it given the cost/wait.   There were a ton printed and PSA can be very fickle with their grading on these Griffey's ( I often can't tell the difference between a PSA 10 and a PSA 6 lol).  Definitely post a pic and the experts here can advise.   You'll likely get the most money for it on Ebay or sell it to a local shop for half the going rate.  

You can get a feel for it here.  Should be noted this was four years ago when they were much easier with grading:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc6UmhNM2oo

 
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FairWarning said:
Why?  They only sold 199.  They are one-day orders sand print just what they sell.,
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I understand the concept.  No one was really that interested in owning a piece of history commemorating Austin Slater's walk-off double in an early season meaningless game.  So the print run was low.  So now people are driving up the price aftermarket.  I find it utterly stupid.

 
Things are getting better--but hobby wax is still beyond reach for the average collector at this point. I watch a lot of breaks on TIkTok and the other day I stumbled across the reality of a failed break. Can't remember the product but it was one of those $1,250 boxes containing one pack with 5 cards and the best card in the pull was a Ja Morant base card--at best it was $75 dollar return for all the cards.  I want to see more of that--get the profiteers out of this business. 

That being said (and I am not a wrestling collector) but that WWE Prizm is just on fire. If you see. grab it--some of the singles are just selling for premium value 

 
Ordered a couple of Topps Series 1 boxes on Fanatics. To be honest, I’m just looking forward to ripping open some stuff for the first time in probably 30 years (no joke) and maybe building a base set for the first time since I was in college. (I was given a bunch of recent sets last year when a friend was trying get rid of stuff his now-grown son no longer wanted.) I’m not really interested in any parallels or anything else … not sure what I will do with anything I get there.

I’ve been a lot busier lately scouring eBay and Facebook groups looking to build/rebuild/finish stuff I collected in the ‘70s and ‘80s. Mostly hockey but I’ve also dug into some baseball and football. Also just got back into late ‘70s basketball after I got rid of everything I bought as a kid sometime after college. Basketball wasn’t as widely available as the other three sports in my small town, for whatever reason.

I’ve also started down the road of a couple of specific collections - players from my home state, and college alma mater. The big question is where to draw the line with how many different variations there can be for some of the more recent players (not to mention whether to dive into minor league cards or just stick to base sets). I’ve built a spreadsheet already to track everything produced for the specific players I’m targeting - so it’s going to be a fun challenge no matter what.

 
shuke said:
I understand the concept.  No one was really that interested in owning a piece of history commemorating Austin Slater's walk-off double in an early season meaningless game.  So the print run was low.  So now people are driving up the price aftermarket.  I find it utterly stupid.
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After I heard it was only 199, I looked at buying one, I waited too long.

 
Randomly bought a $65 Bowman Fat pack on Loupe a couple weeks ago that they opened it online. Ended up with an Oneil Cruz Rookie Card Yellow Refractor Auto /75 color match. Listed it on Ebay last Saturday after seeing others sell for $600-$1000. The auction closed yesterday and I ended up selling it for $1,026. Definitely my highest value card but since I'm not a collector of Cruz, I figured I would sell now while the market for him was hot (he got called up a couple weeks ago). 

After fees and taxes, I'll probably end up clearing ~$850. I'll take it and use it to fund a couple of Stadium Club Hobby boxes when they come out in August. 

 
I've been getting sucked into watching a lot of live pack-breaks recently for fun and was curious how this overall trading cards market is holding up with NFTs getting crushed?

 
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Courtjester said:
Things are getting better--but hobby wax is still beyond reach for the average collector at this point. I watch a lot of breaks on TIkTok and the other day I stumbled across the reality of a failed break. Can't remember the product but it was one of those $1,250 boxes containing one pack with 5 cards and the best card in the pull was a Ja Morant base card--at best it was $75 dollar return for all the cards.  I want to see more of that--get the profiteers out of this business.
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You have any good follows for these? I've been watching some but a lot seem sketchy to say the least.

 
Desert_Power said:
I've been getting sucked into watching a lot of live pack-breaks recently for fun and was curious how this overall trading cards market is holding up with NFTs getting crushed?
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Card world much like everything is down.  Football is healthy as everyone trying to load up on QBs before the season but in general everything is down because of how the world is right now. 

 
Courtjester said:
I got a Zach Wilson RC (non-numbered) from the Elite and a Jamar Chase and Mac Jones RCs (non-numbered) from the Chronicles--absolute nothing from Hoops.
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It seems like I can see the same cards as both numbered and non-numbered. What is the deal with this? Just to add another layer of scarcity I guess?

 
Desert_Power said:
It seems like I can see the same cards as both numbered and non-numbered. What is the deal with this? Just to add another layer of scarcity I guess?
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Wait till you see Prizm.  It’s considered rainbows to collect all the colors. They are called parallel’s.  Probably 40-50 variations of the same card to collect. All with varying difficulty of pulling and out of what type of box or pack.  
 

 
Lehigh98 said:
I've been doing this but buying blaster boxes.  Lower cost of entry to buy blasters of the base Donruss sets.  Plus I think people like the mystery of the blasters and possibility of hitting on inserts.  Rough market prices (ebay) by year of ones I picked up over the last few years:

2021 - $40

2020 - $55

2019 - $70

2018 - $110

2017 - $310
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Current prices to buy these now, 6 months later:

2021 - $45

2020 - $70

2019 - $65

2018 - $70

2017 - $320

I'm thinking of adding a couple 2018's at that price and maybe Allen or Lamar could drive it up like Mahomes with the 2017s.  What do you think?

Anyone considering taking a trip to The National next weekend in AC?  Never been but was thinking about taking a trip since it's not too far from me.

 
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Gottabesweet said:
Wait till you see Prizm.  It’s considered rainbows to collect all the colors. They are called parallel’s.  Probably 40-50 variations of the same card to collect. All with varying difficulty of pulling and out of what type of box or pack.  
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Where is a good source for this type of information? I remember there used to be magazines back in the day.

Was getting a bit overwhelmed looking at all the different versions of Jaylen Waddle cards last night, most less than the cost to ship. :lol:  

 
Desert_Power said:
Where is a good source for this type of information? I remember there used to be magazines back in the day.

Was getting a bit overwhelmed looking at all the different versions of Jaylen Waddle cards last night, most less than the cost to ship. :lol:  
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Cardboard Connection has a lot of the set checklists listed. Be prepared to have your mind blown :lol:  

For instance here is this year's Prizm NBA: https://www.cardboardconnection.com/2021-22-panini-prizm-basketball-nba-cards

If you are going for "the rainbow" of a particular player, good luck! It's difficult to even figure out what you need from reading the checklist :lmao:  

 
comfortably numb said:
Anyone heading to the National?

I plan to be there a few days
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Report back on your experience.  Never been to the Atlantic City show, been to Chicago many times.  
 

On the buying front, it’s a great time to snipe for dels on eBay now.  There is definitely a shakedown of the new money looking for any offers now.

 
The Noid said:
This, plus with some older boxes you don't even need to do any of that to cherry pick the cards you are looking for if you know the printing runs. Because companies would just cut cards from the sheets and fill them in the packs without shuffling/randomizing them, all you need to do is open one pack, check the numbers of the cards and where that pack was in the box, and you would know which packs have what. Like knowing the patterns in Pac Man.

I worked in a card shop during high school and college, then owned one, and still remember all of the valuable runs (to find Griffey Jr. Upper Decks, Frank Thomas Leafs, etc.), what tricks were used to search for inserts, "finger-fleecing", etc. You either had to know them so you could spot the customers that were trying it or you learned them the hard way when a wholesaler or card show dealer scammed you. Sometimes you just naturally figured them out from breaking down so many boxes to sell the good cards, make sets, or have commons. I loved learning those things, how to spot counterfeit or trimmed cards, etc. in order to make sure my store, and the things we sold, could be trusted. 

I've since left the business but realized recently how "using my powers for good" carried over into my career in financial services Fraud Prevention where I have to think like, and know how to be, a bad guy in order to stop them.
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Got to combine my past and present last month when I presented at a Fraud conference in Nashville. It was about the fraud  schemes and money laundering that occurs among alternative assets (e.g. art, wine, crypto, etc.) and dedicated a couple slides to sports trading cards and memorabilia. Talked about the PWCC/PSA scandal and other things around graded cards, touched on counterfeiting, and mentioned some of the newer scams involving live breaks.

Received the speaker feedback yesterday and one comment was "Spent too much time on the baseball cards"  :lmao:

 
The Noid said:
Got to combine my past and present last month when I presented at a Fraud conference in Nashville. It was about the fraud  schemes and money laundering that occurs among alternative assets (e.g. art, wine, crypto, etc.) and dedicated a couple slides to sports trading cards and memorabilia. Talked about the PWCC/PSA scandal and other things around graded cards, touched on counterfeiting, and mentioned some of the newer scams involving live breaks.

Received the speaker feedback yesterday and one comment was "Spent too much time on the baseball cards"  :lmao:
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Not enough attention was paid to the PSA scandal IMO.  That goes to show what direction the hobby was going.  I will do a victory lap when those people leave for good.

 
The Noid said:
Got to combine my past and present last month when I presented at a Fraud conference in Nashville. It was about the fraud  schemes and money laundering that occurs among alternative assets (e.g. art, wine, crypto, etc.) and dedicated a couple slides to sports trading cards and memorabilia. Talked about the PWCC/PSA scandal and other things around graded cards, touched on counterfeiting, and mentioned some of the newer scams involving live breaks.

Received the speaker feedback yesterday and one comment was "Spent too much time on the baseball cards"  :lmao:
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I've been watching these breaks and the capacity for just being scammed there seems extremely high. Was watching one earlier where they were banning people that kept asking for any shipping information.

 
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Desert_Power said:
I've been watching these breaks and the capacity for just being scammed there seems extremely high. Was watching one earlier where they were banning people that kept asking for any shipping information.
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This is a close 2nd of hobby pet peeves.   So many horror stories from people who spend big on these and don’t get all of their stuff.  

 
Right now the hobby is a mess. Even though some of the issues were there before, let's be honest, Covid brought in all these new "collectors" and they pretty much have been a blight on the hobby.  

You have all the people who have become breakers and some of them were there for a profit only or just flat out con artists. It was all well and good when everyone was bidding through the roof on products, but when the completed auctions prices started coming down to earth, while the prices of the product stayed the same and breakers started to see their profit margins shrink, the incentive to cheat became more prevalent. I have seen several such examples of people getting caught and it just makes you wonder how many go completely unchecked. Nothing more infuriates me then when the cards go out of the viewer's line of sight during a break. I am sorry if I insult some of you, but the videos of people clearing out shelves and walking out with a shopping cart full of retail product and leaving nothing for others is infuriating. I hope those people take an absolute bath and lose money hand over fist. Further in the stores that have limits of what you can buy, the people that hide product all over the store--just infuriates me. I witnessed a middle-aged guy doing that with Pokemon cards. If was all I could do to not go right behind him and  move them back to the shelf.  

You have Panini going into full don't care mode since they lost their exclusive license. Their quality control on the cards is just laughable--some boxes with no autos/mems--others with 4 autos a pack. .Some cards that are absolutely destroyed. Their redemption program has completely imploded. 14 different copies of supposed 1/1 cards. They just recently got caught reusing pics of players in their high school/college uniforms and then just photo shopping the pro uniforms and this is for some of their  higher level auto/patch cards. They are absolutely letting the presses run on all new product--think Pro Set 1990.  You have the change in jersey cards. In the old days, you got a game worn jersey from a specific date. Then it became authentic game worn--no date. Then it became player worn (players would just try the uniform on at their house and immediately take it off). Now Panini has gone to there is no guarantee the product is player worn on the back of the card. Frankly, there is no guarantee it is a jersey at all--it could be a cut up tablecloth. Finally, you have the emerging allegation that Panini has been providing certain high volume breakers with "hot boxes" that contain the best hits. Back Yard Breakers has been one of the firms mentioned after they just recently pulled the triple logoman card. 

Topps has now been caught faking autos. There are several videos out there, where it is really clear the autos are faked and this is causing some big problems.

You are also seeing a rise in these shady companies like MJ Holding/Jersey Fusion producing boxes of products--think like something you would get at Walgreens or Walmart that are labeled Mystery Box. They are not licensed products but they show pictures of some big name hits you might get in the box. They usually contain 2-3 packs of cards and then maybe ten assorted loose cards. I watched a video yesterday where it was really clear every one of the packs that were in there, had been opened, repacked and resealed. And they aren't even trying to be clever about  it--I saw a guy open a Prizm pack and it had Donruss cards in it. 

I know I sound like the old man yelling at kids to get off my lawn, but I want my hobby back. I want wax I can afford. I want more than one company producing NFL/NBA cards.  I want Upper Deck to get their you know what together and come back strong and apologize for being con-artists before and get another opportunity to produce NFL or NBA product.  I want retail to be for what it was intended to be--for kids and casual collectors. I hate grading--there I said it. Now I need a nap 

 
Major said:
@Courtjester- what did Upper Deck do to fraud the industry?  I'm out of the loop.  Appreciate the rant though. I had no idea about most of the stuff going on.  
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There was always some speculation that UD was counterfeiting some of its products when they were a big player in the game. They would slap their little hologram on it and say, "Look it is authentic," but when the fox is the one saying everything is okay to the chickens, you got problems.  I remember some big deal about a French Hockey set that really raised some eyebrows. But the final blow to them was when they flat out admitted they illegally produced close to a million Yu-Gi- Oh! cards and were sued at the time by the licensed company who had the rights. UD lost big time and no one  trusted them moving forward.They also were not good at managing their finances. They lost several licenses to print certain sports because they failed to pay their royalties to MLB and the Player's Union. I remember UD in the day would try and do an end around the issue by creating sets that had the player's uniforms blank throughout the set. It was really bad stuff and not a good look for the hobby. 

I know there is some other stuff out there. I know there was a book written about their controversies that I always meant to read and I am going to have to go find now. 

 
Courtjester said:
There was always some speculation that UD was counterfeiting some of its products when they were a big player in the game. They would slap their little hologram on it and say, "Look it is authentic," but when the fox is the one saying everything is okay to the chickens, you got problems.  I remember some big deal about a French Hockey set that really raised some eyebrows. But the final blow to them was when they flat out admitted they illegally produced close to a million Yu-Gi- Oh! cards and were sued at the time by the licensed company who had the rights. UD lost big time and no one  trusted them moving forward.They also were not good at managing their finances. They lost several licenses to print certain sports because they failed to pay their royalties to MLB and the Player's Union. I remember UD in the day would try and do an end around the issue by creating sets that had the player's uniforms blank throughout the set. It was really bad stuff and not a good look for the hobby. 

I know there is some other stuff out there. I know there was a book written about their controversies that I always meant to read and I am going to have to go find now. 
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That's sucks to hear.  I was wondering what happened to them.  They really changed the game in 89 with their premium $1 packs.  I remember everyone couldn't believe a company would charge that much for retail wax.   FF to current times and folks don't flinch at paying a few grand for a newly issued wax box.  

 
Courtjester said:
Right now the hobby is a mess. Even though some of the issues were there before, let's be honest, Covid brought in all these new "collectors" and they pretty much have been a blight on the hobby.  

You have all the people who have become breakers and some of them were there for a profit only or just flat out con artists. It was all well and good when everyone was bidding through the roof on products, but when the completed auctions prices started coming down to earth, while the prices of the product stayed the same and breakers started to see their profit margins shrink, the incentive to cheat became more prevalent. I have seen several such examples of people getting caught and it just makes you wonder how many go completely unchecked. Nothing more infuriates me then when the cards go out of the viewer's line of sight during a break. I am sorry if I insult some of you, but the videos of people clearing out shelves and walking out with a shopping cart full of retail product and leaving nothing for others is infuriating. I hope those people take an absolute bath and lose money hand over fist. Further in the stores that have limits of what you can buy, the people that hide product all over the store--just infuriates me. I witnessed a middle-aged guy doing that with Pokemon cards. If was all I could do to not go right behind him and  move them back to the shelf.  

You have Panini going into full don't care mode since they lost their exclusive license. Their quality control on the cards is just laughable--some boxes with no autos/mems--others with 4 autos a pack. .Some cards that are absolutely destroyed. Their redemption program has completely imploded. 14 different copies of supposed 1/1 cards. They just recently got caught reusing pics of players in their high school/college uniforms and then just photo shopping the pro uniforms and this is for some of their  higher level auto/patch cards. They are absolutely letting the presses run on all new product--think Pro Set 1990.  You have the change in jersey cards. In the old days, you got a game worn jersey from a specific date. Then it became authentic game worn--no date. Then it became player worn (players would just try the uniform on at their house and immediately take it off). Now Panini has gone to there is no guarantee the product is player worn on the back of the card. Frankly, there is no guarantee it is a jersey at all--it could be a cut up tablecloth. Finally, you have the emerging allegation that Panini has been providing certain high volume breakers with "hot boxes" that contain the best hits. Back Yard Breakers has been one of the firms mentioned after they just recently pulled the triple logoman card. 

Topps has now been caught faking autos. There are several videos out there, where it is really clear the autos are faked and this is causing some big problems.

You are also seeing a rise in these shady companies like MJ Holding/Jersey Fusion producing boxes of products--think like something you would get at Walgreens or Walmart that are labeled Mystery Box. They are not licensed products but they show pictures of some big name hits you might get in the box. They usually contain 2-3 packs of cards and then maybe ten assorted loose cards. I watched a video yesterday where it was really clear every one of the packs that were in there, had been opened, repacked and resealed. And they aren't even trying to be clever about  it--I saw a guy open a Prizm pack and it had Donruss cards in it. 

I know I sound like the old man yelling at kids to get off my lawn, but I want my hobby back. I want wax I can afford. I want more than one company producing NFL/NBA cards.  I want Upper Deck to get their you know what together and come back strong and apologize for being con-artists before and get another opportunity to produce NFL or NBA product.  I want retail to be for what it was intended to be--for kids and casual collectors. I hate grading--there I said it. Now I need a nap 
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That duo/auto fake of the TB players is beyond embarrassing.  Absolutely no excuse. 
for it.

 
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