Desert_Power
Footballguy
Wouldn't be surprising at all if these allegations were true about backyard: https://twitter.com/ericwhiteback/status/1580921626216255490
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Any Trading Cards guys? (Sports, etc) (3 Viewers)
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
I am two cards away from the 1980 Topps Basketball complete set (separated, not full 3-panels). They're hte Larry Bird rookie and the Dr J card usually attahched to the Bird rookie.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I wouldn’t be surprised either. They are REALLY annoying, but they get the clicks.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I have that set with all the variant cards (I think slightly different combinations of players were included on some cards sold in the west compared to those sold in the east). I still need some of the poster inserts, though.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I got a PSA shipment in of 86 Fleer basketball a bit over 3 months ago. Mostly 7-9s, looked the grades up online. Been swamped with business so still haven't cracked the box open. None were upgrades on my registry set so haven't been in a hurry to bust into it. I need to sell those or trade them off to work on the 86 stickers in PSA 9. If anyone is working on that set and may have some stickers to sell/trade or need to fill some from the base set in the 7-9 range let me know.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Yep I think all of the panels could be found in two different combos. That's a really impressive set to own. I realized it would be too expensive for me so I went for the detached panels.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
I put it together about 10 years ago before the boom in prices. You could get lots of hundreds of those cards (connected panels intact) for peanuts.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Get the team posters also from that set.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Yeah, overall market slowed for sure from what I have seen. Inflation, people have less disposable income, etc. Plus the quality/mass prod. issues you mentioned. I bought a few boxes throughout the year, mostly for my son for Xmas, but bought pretty much no singles since maybe mid-spring.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Totally agree. During Covid, you had all the breakers hording all the retail product for their breaks. IMO. this created an artificial demand that couldn't be replicated. So Panini, rolls the presses in response and now we have this glut of retail product out there. Throw in the fact. hobby prices haven't adjusted and are still beyond the means of the average collector (especially considering the economy) and you have the correction you are seeing.
My wife got me a few hobby football packs for Christmas. Like Prestige and Elite-I think they were like $15-$18 a pack. Several of them I opened and literally got nothing including one pack that probably should have had a nice hit, but instead I got a Panini points card. I did get a Justin Fields Elite Spellbound Gold #5 of 5 insert that is quite nice.
In the last six months or so, I haven't been spending money on cards. Instead I have gotten sucked into a much more nefarious hobby=Lego. I probably have bought 30-40 sets during this time. I have only built like 5-6 of them because some of them have quite the value if left sealed. My wife is really interested in it as well, so that kind of contributes to the collecting.
My wife got me a few hobby football packs for Christmas. Like Prestige and Elite-I think they were like $15-$18 a pack. Several of them I opened and literally got nothing including one pack that probably should have had a nice hit, but instead I got a Panini points card. I did get a Justin Fields Elite Spellbound Gold #5 of 5 insert that is quite nice.
In the last six months or so, I haven't been spending money on cards. Instead I have gotten sucked into a much more nefarious hobby=Lego. I probably have bought 30-40 sets during this time. I have only built like 5-6 of them because some of them have quite the value if left sealed. My wife is really interested in it as well, so that kind of contributes to the collecting.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Besides the overproduction, graded newer cards have flooded the market. its been a treasure trove if you are sniping on eBay though.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I know I am going to hell, but all the speculators that rush in and get the newest QB's RC graded and that player ends up sucking, I sort of chuckle.
The free-fall that are Zach Wilson's cards is amazing. Not to mention David Mills. I saw a guy on Tik Tok that had stacks of graded David Mills that he had price tags on of $600.00.
The free-fall that are Zach Wilson's cards is amazing. Not to mention David Mills. I saw a guy on Tik Tok that had stacks of graded David Mills that he had price tags on of $600.00.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Massive bubble pop on today's products. Courtjester spot on with the fake demand.
Could be worse and out lots for the NFT/Crypto crap/house of cards. Top shot this. Remember when that was a thing?
Good lord. I've literally not heard a peep with it in a year or so from anyone after it was all the rage for a few months.
Grading scam was the end of trading cards for me. I'm sure there's lots of "good buys" for ungraded for collectors. I do still buy old unopened starting lineups time-to-time (and only old). And never the marked up graded crap. Starting lineup just released new edition Starting lineups in 2022. Believe they're wanting $50+ for them. Yeah no thanks.
Could be worse and out lots for the NFT/Crypto crap/house of cards. Top shot this. Remember when that was a thing?
Good lord. I've literally not heard a peep with it in a year or so from anyone after it was all the rage for a few months.Grading scam was the end of trading cards for me. I'm sure there's lots of "good buys" for ungraded for collectors. I do still buy old unopened starting lineups time-to-time (and only old). And never the marked up graded crap. Starting lineup just released new edition Starting lineups in 2022. Believe they're wanting $50+ for them. Yeah no thanks.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I don’t let the graders bother me. I couldn’t think of a bigger scam than buying cards at Walmart, then sending them in for grading at $10/pop. The only grading I will deal with is the authentication on old autographs. When Brock Purdy is selling for more than Jalen Hurts rookies, that’s a problem.Massive bubble pop on today's products. Courtjester spot on with the fake demand.
Could be worse and out lots for the NFT/Crypto crap/house of cards. Top shot this. Remember when that was a thing?
Grading scam was the end of trading cards for me. I'm sure there's lots of "good buys" for ungraded for collectors. I do still buy old unopened starting lineups time-to-time (and only old). And never the marked up graded crap. Starting lineup just released new edition Starting lineups in 2022. Believe they're wanting $50+ for them. Yeah no thanks.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Then you have hobby boxes like Select 2021 that are going for about half of what they were at release. Bet some breakers are taking a bath on that product.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I think that was the 1st year they were sold in retail also.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I haven’t posted in here much lately as I really slowed down my investing in the hobby a while back—and sure enough that wasn’t a bad move. Prices have come down soo much that it’s actually tempting to pick and choose some nice cards to prospect in. One thing that I started dabbling in a few weeks ago was UFC cards. I started with picking up a couple Optic hobby boxes. They are still available on the Panini app for like 170 bucks a box. It’s a very fun product to rip—and I have to say that the energy and activity in the UFC collector groups on facebook is far greater than the activity that I see in the typical trading card groups. I really think that the UFC stuff has a chance to really take off. It’s a sport with global appeal (from the United States, to South America, the Middle East, Asia..etc), the fan base tends to be very engaged and loyal—and one really important factor—there is no off season. Card collecting for the other major sports have natural “slow times” during their off seasons. UFC doesn‘t have that problem. In one of the UFC groups that I’m in—there is literally several actual UFC fighters that are members that actually collect. Anyhow—just thought that I’d share my experience with UFC collecting. It’s been brief—but so far—soo fun.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Man its been a learning experience these past couple years. Thing I learned the most is Grade grade grade. You just gotta know the right sets/players and of course timing is everything. I just sent off my 2nd ever submission and am already realizing I probably messed it up a little (sent in w original penny sleeves that have been sitting in a closet for 2+ years, definitely some dust particles in some of those!) but the buying raw, grading, selling good grades method seems to be "THE" best for what I'm trying to do (build up a cool collection of NBA stars and NFL QBs). One thing I have learned really is to keep the process churning. Also, mainly DIVERSIFY, got damn man, I got like 100+ Lance cards and well, his market is "Shaky" to say the least. Got a couple Ja rookies, Burrows and Hurts to come back shortly. Will post the results!
comfortably numb
Footballguy
From what I have heard/learned from grading ultra modern stuff is cleaning your cards before grading in a must.
I haven't sent in too much of ultra modern so never cleaned what I sent but I heaar it should be done.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Oh yeah 100%. Just need a good clean micro fiber cloth to do the trick!
Terpman22
Footballguy
Well, grading seems to be faster now. Sent in 7 cards to PSA/$25 "Value" service. Sent on Monday, arrived on Tuesday, currently already in grading phase. I believe it took about 2 weeks last year for it to get to grading, albeit it was the economy level and this is a "new" type of service they offer. Hoping for 10s also haha.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Do you just grade with PSA? One of the guys I follow on TikTok seems to use CSG and goes over the cards before hand. Was thinking of using that down the line.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Way late on this, but yes I only grade with PSA. They have their issues like any company, specifically right now its the newer employees grading cards a little too tough. But with that said, PSA has the highest resale value for a card than any other grading company by a mile. Beckett/BGS is a far 2nd to me then potentially SGC/The Tuxedo slabs look nice. Due to the fact you might get a tough grader, I am splitting up my orders for a few reasons 1. To avoid some guy going through the entire stack and getting unfavorable grades, and 2. for whatever reason, the large stacks just take a "LONG" time to come back. Will see how they work out, I have been aggressively stacking 3 players the last few months: Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts rookies. Nothing crazy just some stuff from the more collectible sets. The Lawrence hype is very real.
Manster
Footballguy
My son is getting into sports cards.....we are big into baseball, and we have season tix to Oregon State baseball.
First two packs of Topps my son gets he gets an Adley Rutschman, and a Steven Kwan.......we were super pumped! Now all he wants to do is buy more cars packs! Good times. Need a Trevor Larnach and a Drew Rasmussen now.
First two packs of Topps my son gets he gets an Adley Rutschman, and a Steven Kwan.......we were super pumped! Now all he wants to do is buy more cars packs! Good times. Need a Trevor Larnach and a Drew Rasmussen now.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Very cool stuff!
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I am retiring here in about 90 days and one of the biggest goals I have is to make some sense of the two rooms of sports cards I have. I have probably a million cards with tens of thousands of them in top loaders. I have been slowly going through the top loaders, identifying the card and then typing them into a spreadsheet, but as you can imagine, this process takes forever. Especially when you have sets like the Upper Deck Basketball Italian version or you have odd ball sets like the Tony's Pizza Fleer where the card looks like the original card but the numbering is the only thing that gives it away. Don't even get me started on reprints because I will have the original of the card, but then whatever company makes a reprint of the card and inserts it in a modern set and it looks completely similar--grrr.
One thing that holds promise that I found on TikTok is this printer/scanner from Toshiba. The video shows a guy loading a dozen or so top loaders in and they just fed through in less than a minute and it was connected to a software program that just identified each card. He also did it with raw cards (Toshiba claims it will not damage the cards whatsoever) but he put a stack of 50 cards in there and they were inventoried in less than a minute. Now the printer is a grand and the software was a hundred or so, but this would cut weeks, if not months, off my efforts, so well worth it.
I have always wanted to do this inventory, but I was always buying so much, I could never catch up. However ever since Covid and I have pivoted over to investing in Lego, I feel I may be able to get on top this. I know it is morbid, but I just want my two daughters to have some idea of what is down there when I pass and what to expect to sell it for.
One thing that holds promise that I found on TikTok is this printer/scanner from Toshiba. The video shows a guy loading a dozen or so top loaders in and they just fed through in less than a minute and it was connected to a software program that just identified each card. He also did it with raw cards (Toshiba claims it will not damage the cards whatsoever) but he put a stack of 50 cards in there and they were inventoried in less than a minute. Now the printer is a grand and the software was a hundred or so, but this would cut weeks, if not months, off my efforts, so well worth it.
I have always wanted to do this inventory, but I was always buying so much, I could never catch up. However ever since Covid and I have pivoted over to investing in Lego, I feel I may be able to get on top this. I know it is morbid, but I just want my two daughters to have some idea of what is down there when I pass and what to expect to sell it for.
The Commish
Footballguy
Dumb question (maybe?):
Are there grades for sets or is it just individual cards? I have a 1957 Topps baseball set that my dad and I finished from when he was a kid. MOST of the cards are in pretty good shape, but I'm wondering if they will grade the set as a whole.
Are there grades for sets or is it just individual cards? I have a 1957 Topps baseball set that my dad and I finished from when he was a kid. MOST of the cards are in pretty good shape, but I'm wondering if they will grade the set as a whole.
Keerock
Footballguy
Terpman22
Footballguy
I honestly do not know but man, what an crazy amazing awesome set to have!! Very very cool stuff. It won't be cheap to grade them but will definitely be worth it.
Major
Footballguy
Yep. I’ve seen it done but every card would need to be individually graded which doesn’t make much sense financially. Just get the key cards graded and enjoy that amazing set.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is what I figured....just wasn't sure if there was a "set grading" option. This is a sentimental thing for me more than anything. When I found his cards (I was like 12) he needed about 100 cards...most of them were commons, but a few that were in the $50-$75 range (at the time....late 80s early 90s). He had SO many of the "good" ones that we sold/traded several of them for most of what was needed. Don Drysdale, Mickie Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams....all those guys he had 5-6 of EACH. It was unreal. We kept the best two of each one and used the rest to fund our quest.
TheWalkmen
Footballguy
I’ve got the 1957 Mays and Aaron, and this thread has now inspired me to get the other 405 cards to complete the set. Ordered 9 off eBay today, so I guess I’m down to 396.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Haha heck yeah man. Go get that Jackie and Teddy Ballgame too!!
The Commish
Footballguy
If I had the cards in my possession, I'd try to help out best I could, but they are at my mom's house with a big "DO NOT TOUCH" sign on them as a reminder to my mother
FairWarning
Footballguy
There is a good 1957 set builders page on FB, collectors selling to collectors.
The Commish
Footballguy
If I were going to get some cards graded what's that process look like and which company is the best to go to? I can't get past shipping the cards off to someone and not being guaranteed to get the exact same card back.
My wife was cleaning out her closet and it made me open up a couple bins of cards I have here and I have some Brett Favre rookie cards that went from the pack straight into rigid plastic protectors and I never messed with them again. Thinking they can be worth some dough. I have 10 or so of his Upper Deck rookie and three of his Stadium Club rookie. I'm going to take them to a local shop to get an initial reaction, but figure the real value only comes if they are graded.
Oh, and now I need to dig through the other 50 or so boxes I have to remember what all I actually have and NONE of this is the collection my dad had that's still at my mom's house.
My wife was cleaning out her closet and it made me open up a couple bins of cards I have here and I have some Brett Favre rookie cards that went from the pack straight into rigid plastic protectors and I never messed with them again. Thinking they can be worth some dough. I have 10 or so of his Upper Deck rookie and three of his Stadium Club rookie. I'm going to take them to a local shop to get an initial reaction, but figure the real value only comes if they are graded.
Oh, and now I need to dig through the other 50 or so boxes I have to remember what all I actually have and NONE of this is the collection my dad had that's still at my mom's house.
Major
Footballguy
Just know that vintage cards fresh from the pack are rarely a 9 or 10. I’d guess those Favres you’re sitting on are in the 7-8 range if graded by psa. Probably the only Favre card worth grading is a Wild Card 1000 stripe.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
You can just get your own account/membership with PSA and go that route. Their turnaround times have gotten much better. Also—the poster that mentioned that cards from your era that come straight out of the pack rarely are in 9 or 10 condition is pretty accurate. You’ll want to invest in a magnifying glass or loupe and really inspect the surfaces of each card for scratches, dimples, dents. You also might want to get a millimeter gauge as well as download one of the apps that helps determine the centering of each card before sending them in. With PSA—if the centering is 60/40 or better—you probably still have a shot at a 9 or better if everything else is solid. Also—when you do check for centering—make sure you check left to right, top to bottom—and both the front and back of the card. If you see any fingerprints on any of the cards—you’ll also want to invest in a micro-fiber cloth and very carefully wipe them down.
Last piece of advice—check sold comps for PSA 9/PSA 10 versions of the cards that you are interested in grading. Asking prices are often times exponentially higher than “sold” comps. You can look up what cards have sold for on ebay through using their advanced search function and click on “sold” listings. Even better than that—you can use a website called 130point to look up sold comps. 130point is nice because it will show you “best offer” prices. The last thing you want to do is to spend $25+ to grade a card if the card is only worth $25-40 in a best case scenario (PSA 9 or PSA 10).
The Commish
Footballguy
Where do the 9s and 10s come from?
Major
Footballguy
They often come from the packs just extremely rare due to higher grading standards and population control by PSA.
This guy sending in 50 Griffey UD rookies will give you an idea how tough grading is even if the cards look great: https://youtu.be/Pc6UmhNM2oo
The Commish
Footballguy
Already have a graded one of these......and honestly, these other cards look better and seemingly more crisp. Have all the gear to check them out from the coins I have, but I always thought it was pretty much centering edges and no blemishes like dimples....if they do finger prints and all that stupid **** now, it seems to be a waste of money....arbitrary to say the least.
Skipdog77
Footballguy
My son has gotten into cards in the last couple of years, and he was going through mine that I hadn't looked at in awhile. He was amazed that I have an 86 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie (actually the whole 86 set with stickers..87 also) and the 80-81 Topps Larry Bird/Dr J/Magic tri-panel card, among others.
It started getting me back into it bit, and during the season I was working on putting together Boston Bruins team sets. Mostly just base cards, as I enjoy putting the base sets together and don't really get into the hype around the chases/inserts/subsets. Although I did get myself Pastrnak, Bergeron, and Marchand jersey cards to display in my home office. Also found an old Neely jersey card in one of the boxes I went through recently.
Anyway, when I used to really be into collecting, one of my favorite all time subsets was the Upper Deck 1993 Dallas Cowboys America's Team set. This set was the holy grail for me at the time. I slowly built that set the old way, by opening packs, going to card shows, etc. It was the pride of my collection (regardless of any worth), and the set I look back most fondly on. Well, I pulled it from a box last week and was going through it and realized that I HAD NEVER ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE SET. In my mind I thought I had, and all was right with the world. Suddenly, the realization that I had been living a lie came crashing down on me as I noticed the hole where the AT6 Drew Pearson should have been. It all came rushing back as I remembered I could never pull that card, and could never find it at a card show.
Well, thank god for eBay, I was able to quickly find the card for sale (for just a couple of bucks), and I pulled the trigger and it arrived this week. My Upper Deck 1993 America's Team set is now truly complete, and so am I.
It started getting me back into it bit, and during the season I was working on putting together Boston Bruins team sets. Mostly just base cards, as I enjoy putting the base sets together and don't really get into the hype around the chases/inserts/subsets. Although I did get myself Pastrnak, Bergeron, and Marchand jersey cards to display in my home office. Also found an old Neely jersey card in one of the boxes I went through recently.
Anyway, when I used to really be into collecting, one of my favorite all time subsets was the Upper Deck 1993 Dallas Cowboys America's Team set. This set was the holy grail for me at the time. I slowly built that set the old way, by opening packs, going to card shows, etc. It was the pride of my collection (regardless of any worth), and the set I look back most fondly on. Well, I pulled it from a box last week and was going through it and realized that I HAD NEVER ACTUALLY COMPLETED THE SET. In my mind I thought I had, and all was right with the world. Suddenly, the realization that I had been living a lie came crashing down on me as I noticed the hole where the AT6 Drew Pearson should have been. It all came rushing back as I remembered I could never pull that card, and could never find it at a card show.
Well, thank god for eBay, I was able to quickly find the card for sale (for just a couple of bucks), and I pulled the trigger and it arrived this week. My Upper Deck 1993 America's Team set is now truly complete, and so am I.
FairWarning
Footballguy
There is a little bump in short term demand. The bigger demand is in autographs. Even so, legends like Koufax and Mays prices are already very high and their death will barely affect pricing.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Anyone chasing the first opportunity at Victor Wembanyama in Bowman Chrome University Basketball?
You can pick blasters up at about $25 and was thinking of buying a couple, and either opening or maybe just holding for a while.
You can pick blasters up at about $25 and was thinking of buying a couple, and either opening or maybe just holding for a while.
How do you buy them?
Lehigh98
Footballguy
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