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Footballguy
Awesome.
I was on a run where i did a bunch of local big shows.
Always heard Chantilly was really good.
I always like the Philly show. Good mix of Vintage and Modern
Did you make the National in AC a couple years ago?
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I was on a run where i did a bunch of local big shows.
Always heard Chantilly was really good.
I always like the Philly show. Good mix of Vintage and Modern
Did you make the National in AC a couple years ago?
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Chantilly was really good. On paper, it looks smaller than the Philly Show in terms of the number of tables, but I think the tables were bigger, so there was more inventory. Took me longer to make my way through the show than it did Philly. I'd say the mix of vintage and modern was pretty similar. It was really good, and I did feel like dealers were ready to negotiate a bit more than other shows - YMMV, but that was my observation. I got several cards at significant discounts to their starting prices, and most all below comps, or at least the low-end. Made some good trades too.
I actually picked up a 1953 Topps complete set from a guy I talked to on Facebook and then met in person at the show, but finalized the deal via phone after the show. Some cards are in for grading, and then I should get it all shipped to me in a few weeks. Really excited about that, but I'll have some duplicates as I already have a few from that set. I'll probably look to sell them at coming shows.
I've never been to the National at any venue. Given the way it sounded this past year in Cleveland, it's likely not on my radar unless it's very close and easy to me in NJ. I hate overcrowded venues, and it sounds like prices were very high. It's just not worth it to me personally. I have a low tolerance for having to squeeze in just to see someone's inventory, and I really hate the way some sellers will throw their big cases and inventory all over a dealer's display cases and basically make it impossible for anyone else to see anything.
FairWarning
Footballguy
What a great set to own.
One big complaint of the big shows are the number of ‘content creators’ that make it about themselves. The floor is jammed up enough.
Major
Footballguy
Wow, a 1953 Topps complete set is a top tier acquisition. Congrats on that! What do you think the Mantle, Mays and Jackie will grade out at?
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Man - totally agree. There were at least 2 of the bigger content guys at the show. I didn't even bother stopping by their tables. Just a bunch of boasting and over-priced inventory of modern stuff. I don't understand who would ever pay 4 figures for a 1 of 1 from some flash in the pan QB like Trey Lance...but I guess some people collect 1 of 1's and not the player.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Thanks. I've always thought the '53 set is one of the most beautiful sets out there. It's not horribly expensive either because there really aren't any marquee rookies. I really like the '56 set too, and same comment re. rookies.
The cards looked really great. There was a little corner wear on a few cards, but what really popped was the surfaces. Surface gloss and color was as good as any I've seen, and they were largely well centered. It was apparently an original-owner set that was kept stacked in a box for decades. The Mantle looks good, but a little OC top/bottom. I'd say a solid 4. Jackie is really good too - could go 4/5. Mays is a little rough on the bottom, exaggerated by the fact that it's a black edge down there. Probably a 3/4. The Paige is beautiful, but has a crease in the upper left, so probably a 2 or a 3. One of the only cards with any creasing. I think he said there are 3 with creases, and that's the only meaningful one. The Minoso might be the best of the bunch, but not a high dollar card. It's clean and centered. Could get a 7 or an 8 and I wouldn't be surprised.
I already have an SGC 2 Jackie, and I have a raw Mantle and Mays that are going to SGC to grade, and 2 Paiges (3 and a 3.5). I will basically keep whatever holds the highest grade of my singles vs. the set and look to sell the rest.
The OCD side of me would really like to grade the entire set with SGC for display purposes, but that's another $3K or so in grading for the commons, so that might not be feasible, but a big wall display case with the full set in SGC tuxedo slabs would look really really awesome.
PlayaHata
Footballguy
Seeing this thread reminded me of this article from a few weeks ago in The New York Times.
A Sports Memorabilia Gold Mine Is Uncovered In Virginia
A Sports Memorabilia Gold Mine Is Uncovered In Virginia
Major
Footballguy
1956 is probably my favorite set too - love the horizontal cards.
Grading everything does seems like overkill but would be cool for display purposes. I think I'd probably grade the top 5-10 cards and any commons that are in outstanding condition. Having cards that you can actually touch and handle is an underrated benefit in this age of putting everything behind plastic. I also wonder if those cases are going to hold up in 30 years or somehow damage them like those screw downs did to so many.
Great buy regardless of how you display it. Definitely post some pics in here once you receive the grades and the entire set. Hardcore card pron.
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Footballguy
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Footballguy
I heard that guy on a podcast talking about it.
Pretty cool.
Must be nuts..must be TONNNNNNS of JUNK but from what he says he has quite a few treasures.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
This is true.
When i hit the National in AC there were tons of people you could tell were not there for cards or sports or memorabilia but rather to make content at the latest big gig.
FairWarning
Footballguy
My favorite is the Satchel Paige. The 53’s look like works of art.
FairWarning
Footballguy
$5 mil conservative? That would be something to eee.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'm getting back into the hobby now that prices have come back down.
What I love is that I can get every meaningful card from 1980 - 1989 at PSA 9 or 8 for a combined total of 2 grand. I love that they call it the junk wax era because I love those cards and now they are all very affordable. My other thing is unopened boxes...I'm in the process of acquiring every unopened box with the BBCE seal from 1970 - 1989. I'm about half way there. The 70s boxes are obviously a bit more pricey so I'm taking my time on those, trying to get good prices.
I'm also getting into the newer stuff, the numbered cards, relics and autos are such a different game than it was back in the 80s, but it's a different kind of fun.
What I love is that I can get every meaningful card from 1980 - 1989 at PSA 9 or 8 for a combined total of 2 grand. I love that they call it the junk wax era because I love those cards and now they are all very affordable. My other thing is unopened boxes...I'm in the process of acquiring every unopened box with the BBCE seal from 1970 - 1989. I'm about half way there. The 70s boxes are obviously a bit more pricey so I'm taking my time on those, trying to get good prices.
I'm also getting into the newer stuff, the numbered cards, relics and autos are such a different game than it was back in the 80s, but it's a different kind of fun.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
I live pretty close to BBCE, damn nice store.
TripItUp
Footballguy
wow, where is that? And what do they sell...everything?
FairWarning
Footballguy
BBCE is by Gary Indiana, basically on the Ill/Ind border. They do sell a lot of vintage unopened from the 70’s.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
It's crazy to think that he was 47 years old in 1953, and got his first major league win at like 42. That's one of the best cards of all time in my opinion - for a variety of reasons.
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Footballguy
RIP Fernando
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Footballguy
I don't have any experience buying cards on Amazon.
Just assumed overpriced?
:following:
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Honestly, check some of the big box store websites, but check them frequently. The problem is a lot of them get picked by bots before any of us average joes have a chance to get them. I've had some luck on ****'s Sporting Goods [Short for Richard] recently getting pre-sales of things. I'm still waiting for most of them to ship, but I can at least get blasters and megas for my son to rip at the actual retail price.
As some of the earlier conversations have indicated, breakers have pretty much made boxes unattainable for most kids, and a bad investment for anyone trying to buy them marked up. Megas are barely worth it at the ~$45 retail price, much less $65+ in the secondary market. 2023 Optic Football Megas were going for $120 at the Chantilly show - 2x what they were sold for at Wal-Mart. I checked Wal-Mart a few times a week for a few months on release and never saw a single one. Guys just stake them out and clean out all the stock the second they are put out and then re-sell them at a mark-up.
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Fat Nick
Footballguy
Shared a birthday with the guy (Nov 1, not the year). Always liked to get his cards as a kid to look at that.
Major
Footballguy
What a player. Growing up, I always thought his rookie was undervalued - never remember it ever being worth more than $5-10. His cultural and lasting impact on the sport is HOF worthy in itself.
TripItUp
Footballguy
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Footballguy
I heard a Bryant boat has been added to the Skenes bounty
PlayaHata
Footballguy
How CT scanners are being used on trading cards: The ethical and legal issues it presents
Wild article. Will be interesting to see how the trading card industry responds to this.
Wild article. Will be interesting to see how the trading card industry responds to this.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Paywall blocked for me unfortunately, but I'm familiar with the issue.
They're talking about this on Elliot in the Morning on DC101 right now. There's a zero percent chance I'm buying high-end boxes from unknown sellers these days. I don't think you'll have an issue buying from the big distributors (Dave and Adams, Steel City, etc) and retail products, and probably even lower-end hobby boxes are fine, but stuff like National Treasures, etc...if you're buying that level of box off eBay, I'd just assume it's been scanned at this point.
The modern card dynamics are basically legalized gambling. Most don't collect, they flip for profit (or loss) and speculate. Breakers started these trends, and this CT scanning stuff just makes it even worse.
Major
Footballguy
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PlayaHata
Footballguy
Thanks. I probably even learned about it here. but I've been using https://archive.ph for the past 6 months or so to access paywalled articles on WSJ, Washington Post, etc. and it is
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STBootleg
Footballguy
Heading to a local card show this weekend. Are there any apps you prefer for scanning, pricing and comps?
I downloaded the CollX app, they kept mentioning on a show called the "The Card Life" hosted by Matt Strahm, but I have yet to use it.
I downloaded the CollX app, they kept mentioning on a show called the "The Card Life" hosted by Matt Strahm, but I have yet to use it.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
130 point is popular with checking ebay sales.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I haven't had good luck with any of the scanning/photo apps. Just too inconsistent. I currently use Card Ladder (pay service) for both tracking my collection and comps. It has a fantastic collection tracking interface, but I find the search overly clunky and it doesn't deal well with misspellings, etc.
GoBirds
Footballguy
So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers. 
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Footballguy
Assuming you are near Philly.So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
The Philly card show at the Oaks is in a few weeks.
Philly Show
phillyshow.com
I am sure the main 3 grading companies will be there accepting submissions but do not believe they offer same day grading and encapsulating.
BGS may offer a raw card review.
Not a bad idea. Sometimes (especially for new comers to the grading game) what you think will be a 7 or 8 is really a 3 or 4.
At the very least that can temper your expectations.
Personally
I would go
PSA
SGC
I wouldn't grade with BGS but the raw card thing could be an option and then you send your card off to whoever.
Dropping off at the show will at least alleviate your anxiety of shipping the card off your self.
PSA will probably cost you around $100, especially if you are just doing 1 card and that price may go up if the card grades higher.
You will get the card back in 30-50 days is my guess.
SGC
Will cost you about $20, regardless of the grade and you will have the card back in your hands within 7-10 days.
While i lean towards PSA and send stuff off to them often. You may be better served with SGC for this and the resale value would be comparable for vintage...some may say better.
Good luck!
If you need help with anything just ask.
I planned to go to the show but I think I will be out of the country. If I am in the country I will stop by for 1 day.
I went to the last one in Dec.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
Regarding packing
They tell you how to pack them, which while they are in the flimsy card savers it is secure.
The instructions/recommendation is lets say 20 cards
-in penny sleeves then card savers.
-rubber band them together
-sandwich between 2 cardboard slabs
-rubber band those cardboard slabs creating a solid cardboard "brick" if you will
-bubble wrap/packing stuff around the "brick"
-box it and tape shut
-pray
I have a 20 card submission i just wrapped up if you wanted pics of how i packaged everything
GoBirds
Footballguy
Great information, really appreciate it. I’m south of there now and won’t be at that show but is that common for shows to offer that option? Maybe I can find one closer by and go that route.Assuming you are near Philly.So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
The Philly card show at the Oaks is in a few weeks.
Philly Show
I am sure the main 3 grading companies will be there accepting submissions but do not believe they offer same day grading and encapsulating.
BGS may offer a raw card review.
Not a bad idea. Sometimes (especially for new comers to the grading game) what you think will be a 7 or 8 is really a 3 or 4.
At the very least that can temper your expectations.
Personally
I would go
PSA
SGC
I wouldn't grade with BGS but the raw card thing could be an option and then you send your card off to whoever.
Dropping off at the show will at least alleviate your anxiety of shipping the card off your self.
PSA will probably cost you around $100, especially if you are just doing 1 card and that price may go up if the card grades higher.
You will get the card back in 30-50 days is my guess.
SGC
Will cost you about $20, regardless of the grade and you will have the card back in your hands within 7-10 days.
While i lean towards PSA and send stuff off to them often. You may be better served with SGC for this and the resale value would be comparable for vintage...some may say better.
Good luck!
If you need help with anything just ask.
I planned to go to the show but I think I will be out of the country. If I am in the country I will stop by for 1 day.
I went to the last one in Dec.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Great information, really appreciate it. I’m south of there now and won’t be at that show but is that common for shows to offer that option? Maybe I can find one closer by and go that route.Assuming you are near Philly.So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
The Philly card show at the Oaks is in a few weeks.
Philly Show
I am sure the main 3 grading companies will be there accepting submissions but do not believe they offer same day grading and encapsulating.
BGS may offer a raw card review.
Not a bad idea. Sometimes (especially for new comers to the grading game) what you think will be a 7 or 8 is really a 3 or 4.
At the very least that can temper your expectations.
Personally
I would go
PSA
SGC
I wouldn't grade with BGS but the raw card thing could be an option and then you send your card off to whoever.
Dropping off at the show will at least alleviate your anxiety of shipping the card off your self.
PSA will probably cost you around $100, especially if you are just doing 1 card and that price may go up if the card grades higher.
You will get the card back in 30-50 days is my guess.
SGC
Will cost you about $20, regardless of the grade and you will have the card back in your hands within 7-10 days.
While i lean towards PSA and send stuff off to them often. You may be better served with SGC for this and the resale value would be comparable for vintage...some may say better.
Good luck!
If you need help with anything just ask.
I planned to go to the show but I think I will be out of the country. If I am in the country I will stop by for 1 day.
I went to the last one in Dec.
Its common but spaced out
This weekend in NYC and then next month drop off in Jersey City.
They also do card shop drop offs from time to time where they have a rep at the card store accepting submissions.
(instead of the card store sending it off for you)
They were recently in Collinswood NJ I believe.
If your end game is to preserve and sell down the road.
SGC may be a good option for you as you will get your cards back a lot quicker and cheaper.
Weeks instead of months for a fraction of the price.
Most people will swear by PSA for resale value but when it comes to vintage DGC is def in the discussion, if not preferred by some.
djmich
Footballguy
Interesting. I’ve got some that I’ve held back on grading in part because the pay a % of what the card grades at or is worth seems like such an over reach and harder to get payback on.Great information, really appreciate it. I’m south of there now and won’t be at that show but is that common for shows to offer that option? Maybe I can find one closer by and go that route.Assuming you are near Philly.So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
The Philly card show at the Oaks is in a few weeks.
Philly Show
I am sure the main 3 grading companies will be there accepting submissions but do not believe they offer same day grading and encapsulating.
BGS may offer a raw card review.
Not a bad idea. Sometimes (especially for new comers to the grading game) what you think will be a 7 or 8 is really a 3 or 4.
At the very least that can temper your expectations.
Personally
I would go
PSA
SGC
I wouldn't grade with BGS but the raw card thing could be an option and then you send your card off to whoever.
Dropping off at the show will at least alleviate your anxiety of shipping the card off your self.
PSA will probably cost you around $100, especially if you are just doing 1 card and that price may go up if the card grades higher.
You will get the card back in 30-50 days is my guess.
SGC
Will cost you about $20, regardless of the grade and you will have the card back in your hands within 7-10 days.
While i lean towards PSA and send stuff off to them often. You may be better served with SGC for this and the resale value would be comparable for vintage...some may say better.
Good luck!
If you need help with anything just ask.
I planned to go to the show but I think I will be out of the country. If I am in the country I will stop by for 1 day.
I went to the last one in Dec.
Its common but spaced out
This weekend in NYC and then next month drop off in Jersey City.
They also do card shop drop offs from time to time where they have a rep at the card store accepting submissions.
(instead of the card store sending it off for you)
They were recently in Collinswood NJ I believe.
If your end game is to preserve and sell down the road.
SGC may be a good option for you as you will get your cards back a lot quicker and cheaper.
Weeks instead of months for a fraction of the price.
Most people will swear by PSA for resale value but when it comes to vintage DGC is def in the discussion, if not preferred by some.
Balco
Footballguy
How has his market been? I’m a big fan of bowman 1st chrome (not first edition).
I think he is an excellent buy low player, but over the years it is so tough to find that value.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Looks like he packed on some
and had an underwhelming season last year so was thinking buy low as that roster is set to take off.jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Bowman chrome first, bowman chrome first autos. Also, Dynasty patch autos are becoming more and more desirable. They are very pricey to start with, but they seem to be gaining more and more traction amongst collectors.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I've bought a ton of 2024 Prizm football...Best pull has been a Brock Bowers silver that I just got last week. Getting ready to buy a lot of donruss and donruss optic. Also, have dabbled in Mosaic and origins....all NFL.
I've been loading up on Wembys as much as possible and have bought a fair amount of Topps chrome baseball.
I've been loading up on Wembys as much as possible and have bought a fair amount of Topps chrome baseball.
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jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
If you are buying to collect as a hobby—that’s awesome. If you are looking at collecting as an investment—-you’re definitely better off buying singles than buying wax. Mosaic is a fun product but generally doesn’t command much resale value (with the exception of maybe the nebulas, genesis and golds). I’d stay away from Donruss. Optic is decent—it’s basically a chrome version of Donruss. If you load up on wembys—I would stick to licensed products—which means you won’t get his autos as he signed with fanatics—so he won’t have any autos in Panini products. I would look into the population counts of wemby cards that you invest in as some of them are really high.
TripItUp
Footballguy
I'm interested in both...I love the nostalgia of ripping packs and getting hits...I've also been buying some higher end singles, numbered autos etc.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
You’re doing things right. The hobby is supposed to be fun—but the investment potential is also an aspect that you are not ignoring. Wax prices have gotten so high that I don’t find myself ripping as much—but I do try to engage in things that involve the “fun” aspect of the hobby. One of the more under rated ones is set building. If you are ripping a decent amount of Prizm football—you might want to consider putting together a set.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yeah. I'm very much just buying singles these days.
TripItUp
Footballguy
what products do you see as the best for retaining long term value?
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Interesting. I’ve got some that I’ve held back on grading in part because the pay a % of what the card grades at or is worth seems like such an over reach and harder to get payback on.Great information, really appreciate it. I’m south of there now and won’t be at that show but is that common for shows to offer that option? Maybe I can find one closer by and go that route.Assuming you are near Philly.So going through my old collection and I’ve never sent a card off to be graded before and a bit nervous about sending my better ones. I assume there aren’t ever opportunities to get cards graded locally by any of the major companies? Any suggestions on how best to do it to protect card and make sure it’s a painless process? My main gem is a Bob Gibson RC that’s in better condition than I remember. I’d be nervous as hell trying to get it in one of those flimsy card savers.
The Philly card show at the Oaks is in a few weeks.
Philly Show
I am sure the main 3 grading companies will be there accepting submissions but do not believe they offer same day grading and encapsulating.
BGS may offer a raw card review.
Not a bad idea. Sometimes (especially for new comers to the grading game) what you think will be a 7 or 8 is really a 3 or 4.
At the very least that can temper your expectations.
Personally
I would go
PSA
SGC
I wouldn't grade with BGS but the raw card thing could be an option and then you send your card off to whoever.
Dropping off at the show will at least alleviate your anxiety of shipping the card off your self.
PSA will probably cost you around $100, especially if you are just doing 1 card and that price may go up if the card grades higher.
You will get the card back in 30-50 days is my guess.
SGC
Will cost you about $20, regardless of the grade and you will have the card back in your hands within 7-10 days.
While i lean towards PSA and send stuff off to them often. You may be better served with SGC for this and the resale value would be comparable for vintage...some may say better.
Good luck!
If you need help with anything just ask.
I planned to go to the show but I think I will be out of the country. If I am in the country I will stop by for 1 day.
I went to the last one in Dec.
Its common but spaced out
This weekend in NYC and then next month drop off in Jersey City.
They also do card shop drop offs from time to time where they have a rep at the card store accepting submissions.
(instead of the card store sending it off for you)
They were recently in Collinswood NJ I believe.
If your end game is to preserve and sell down the road.
SGC may be a good option for you as you will get your cards back a lot quicker and cheaper.
Weeks instead of months for a fraction of the price.
Most people will swear by PSA for resale value but when it comes to vintage DGC is def in the discussion, if not preferred by some.
Yep
I don't believe SGC does that unless super high end cards i think.
I mean its not so much a % of what the card grades for as it is if it surpasses the threshold for insured value at the time you sent it in.
And they are not super stingy with it.
Cards i am sending in now have a $500 insured value. If one grades a 9/10 that causes the value to go to $575, they ''typically" let that slide.
But if it goes to say $800 they will bump the $19.99 fee to the next level at $59.99 (so you're paying $30 extra) if it now has a value of $1300 you go to the $74.99 level (an extra $55)
and all this is only for the card that exceeded the threshold...not the entire submission.
Sucks, seems like a money grab just because they can but people (who are reselling) love getting the upcharge cause it means their card is worth more.
If you are PCing...sucks to pay all that "perceived value" on something you plan to keep for 20 years or pass on to your kids
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