Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Everything that was reported about him had him as the best blocking RB in GB as well. Why wouldn't they have him in?
I'm in a keeper league and if love to avoid that list if I could lol.
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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (3 Viewers)
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I'm in a keeper league and if love to avoid that list if I could lol.
Lol yea I mean I just avoid that list honestly. I am going to either have my RBs locked up by then or I will take flyers later.
If hes the best blocker than maybe they bring him in on 3rd down mainly to block. If there is one thing I think we are all certain of whether we like Lacy or not is we have no clue who is going to get the rock in Gb on a consistent basis and its not like this is a great Rb destination to begin with.
If hes the best blocker than maybe they bring him in on 3rd down mainly to block. If there is one thing I think we are all certain of whether we like Lacy or not is we have no clue who is going to get the rock in Gb on a consistent basis and its not like this is a great Rb destination to begin with.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think it is funny how suddenly Lacy shoots way up peoples draft boards because of his good performance against the Rams. In preseason. Then get all puffed up and full of themselves saying I told you so and patting themselves on the back. Where are you now?
Like this guy was not almost universally considered the top RB in pre NFL draft evaluations? Almost every draftnik out there had Lacy 1st on their lists. The few who didn't were for the most part just being contrarian.
According to this poll conducted post NFL draft http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681113 Lacy was also a clear favorite in standard scoring leagues and only second to Bernard in PPR leagues (edged out by Bernards skills as a receiver and doubts about Lacy's fall in the draft).
So this is not going out on a limb at all saying Lacy was the number 1 RB of 2013. That is the wisdom of the crowd. Please save the bravado. That is like saying "I knew the sun would rise again". Thank you Nostradamus.
Now that Lacy has risen (according to some here as high as the 2nd round redraft) he does not really offer much value anymore. There are risks as has been documented and discussed here- http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681156
When I think about John Fox and Denver. Lacy seems like the perfect RB for what Fox has used as a main RB in the past. But they passed on Lacy instead taking Monte Ball. The reason given was because they were concerned about his durability. If it is a real concern to them, I think it should be a real concern to you as a prospective investor into Eddie Lacy.
The Packers already had a poor offensive line before losing Bulaga to injury http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=685279
The offensive line is not going to suddenly become better over night.
So go ahead a reach for him. This limb is so heavy it is bound to fall.
Disclaimer - yes I hate the Packers. But that does not make these statements in any way untrue.
Like this guy was not almost universally considered the top RB in pre NFL draft evaluations? Almost every draftnik out there had Lacy 1st on their lists. The few who didn't were for the most part just being contrarian.
According to this poll conducted post NFL draft http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681113 Lacy was also a clear favorite in standard scoring leagues and only second to Bernard in PPR leagues (edged out by Bernards skills as a receiver and doubts about Lacy's fall in the draft).
So this is not going out on a limb at all saying Lacy was the number 1 RB of 2013. That is the wisdom of the crowd. Please save the bravado. That is like saying "I knew the sun would rise again". Thank you Nostradamus.
Now that Lacy has risen (according to some here as high as the 2nd round redraft) he does not really offer much value anymore. There are risks as has been documented and discussed here- http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681156
When I think about John Fox and Denver. Lacy seems like the perfect RB for what Fox has used as a main RB in the past. But they passed on Lacy instead taking Monte Ball. The reason given was because they were concerned about his durability. If it is a real concern to them, I think it should be a real concern to you as a prospective investor into Eddie Lacy.
The Packers already had a poor offensive line before losing Bulaga to injury http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=685279
The offensive line is not going to suddenly become better over night.
So go ahead a reach for him. This limb is so heavy it is bound to fall.
Disclaimer - yes I hate the Packers. But that does not make these statements in any way untrue.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Lacy
Man of Zen
Footballguy
Seriously?
We're all in the two dozen posts immediately before this one saying how glad we are he didn't look great in bad circumstances tonight, because that means we don't have to overpay quite so much for a guy we're all convinced is going to Green Bay's more-or-less bellcow.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
GB had the 16th most rushing attempts last year. Given the crap they've bad talent wise and that number it leads me to believe that they want to run the ball. Here's that list and teams around them:
12 Baltimore 444
13 Buffalo 442
14 Indianapolis 440
Miami 440
16 Green Bay 433
17 Cincinnati 430
18 Tampa Bay 416
19 Philadelphia 413
There's quite a few fantasy relevant RB's on those teams. If Lacy is the main guy if expect RB 2 #'s at the worst.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Not exactly seriously, more like sarcastically.
This is all confirmation bias. Which I suppose encompasses what a good portion of what FF is about. If you believed Lacy was clearly the best RB (which most seem to) then a good performance against the Rams shouldn't really change that. Nor should a bad one against the Seahawks.
Stand by your convictions and do not be moved by changes in the weather.
Koya
Footballguy
Wouldn't an astute fantasy player be moved when necessary? Especially on a young player without any NFL experience to accurately judge his real NFL ability / fantasy value?
That's not to say one good or bad preseason performance should turn opinions on their heads, but you might see a burst of speed, or ability to follow blocks/be patient or other facets to the game that either improve the players standing or decrease it at the NFL level.
Lacy has college to go from, practices and NFL exhibition. So we have a very small sample to judge from, meaning even minor steps forward or backward in 'close' to real game situations have a more pronounced influence on our opinion of that player. It's not as if he's a three year vet and we are driving him up or down draftboards because of preseason play.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The way I see it if you had him ranked as your number 1 RB after looking over all the evidence leading up to training camp then you shouldn't need to see a preseason performance to buy into it. Likewise if you didn't like him that much prior to the preseason then you shouldn't be all of a sudden moving him back up because of the preseason performance either. Or likewise moving him down because of bad performance against Seattle.
Way too knee jerky for me.
Way too knee jerky for me.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I agree with this is a general rule, but if you didn't have strong convictions either way the evidence you see in preseason should have some impact on your rankings for said player.
In regards to Lacy I am warming to his prospects.
In regards to Lacy I am warming to his prospects.
Koya
Footballguy
I did not see enough of his college career to really make an accurate assessment. Some highlight film footage and "expert opinions" was it. When I saw him break out before, I at least saw upside and ability, so that definitely propped him up a bit. Watching him struggle against one of the leagues best D's is not going to push him down much, but it certainly doesnt help in any way. And at this time of year, guys are going slightly up and down a lot, so you have to see if a neutral game means his value slightly increases or drops, along with whether the "perception" of him drops more than it should, therefore helping his value.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have no quarrel with this. If you didn't really have a clear position on Lacy's talent/value prior to the preseason then obviously seeing him do well or bad should influence your undecided opinion about him.
My comments more meant for self proclaimed experts who honestly are not sticking their neck out whatsoever going to bat for this guy. As I already stated everyone and their grandmother pretty much had Lacy ranked as the top rookie RB of 2013.
That is what I find ridiculous about anyone saying "see I told you the sky was blue". I mean come on, thank you captain obvious for that terrific insight.
This is the time of year where these folks who put their little tidbits in on each and every one of these rookies will be/are puffing themselves up posturing to others that they knew it all along on the players who look good, while ignoring all their not so good calls on other players.
That is the life of a spurt I guess. Feels disingenuous to me.
Im mot necessarily claiming he is not a 3 down back I am claiming that GB will not use him as one and will use other options as well.
Re the person saying they were 16th: they were ahead quite a bit which leads to more attempts plus Randall Cobb would get attempts etc.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
He doesn't look like he has good top end speed, only a couple of gears. I don't see many long runs in his future. He does look like a load, and last week he was hitting the holes decisively and doing his best with them. If you believe in such things, it looks like GB has the 2nd toughest strength of schedule for RBs going into the season. All this makes him seem like he's on the border between RB3/RB2 in terms of his role on a ffb roster, a solid match up play. Maybe a bit better for leagues who are TD heavy.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I just looked at yahoo's rankings and they have Lacy 42nd overall. There goes any chance I have at getting him at a value in my leagues 
sho nuff
Footballguy
Randall Cobb ran the ball 10 times last year.
Now if you want to say they ranked 16th because Rodgers ran the ball some...you may have a point.
They have not had a 3 down back since early on with Grant and really back to Ahman Green. IMO, they do now with Lacy.
Hmm. He can run. He can block. He can catch.
It's 3rd and 3. Should I sub in a blocking specialist, a receiving specialist or keep the guy in who can do all three? The opponent's DC is watching.
I have no idea why you think GB won't use him on 3rd down. Franklin hasn't impressed. So unless Lacy is just tired from what he did on 1st and 2nd down, I'm not seeing a reason to take him out. You'd be telegraphing your intentions by substitution and not be gaining anything in terms of performance.
I think he's the most talented Packer back since Ahman Green. Talent has a way of changing what teams do. Having a between the tackles banger who can also catch and block is an advantage, not a disadvantage. I think the brain trust in Green Bay realizes that and will tweak the offense to take advantage of that.
I musta missed me saying they wouldn't have him in on 3rd down. I said they might not use him as much on first and or 2nd. In order to be a 3 down back you have to be on the field on 1st 2nd and 3rd. I think they will use a semi committee. Maybe he is there every 3rd down. Great. You still have to be on the field on first and 2nd.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
And 37th on ESPN now...Man, I hate how these sites just update everything so frequently for the FF slackersI just looked at yahoo's rankings and they have Lacy 42nd overall. There goes any chance I have at getting him at a value in my leagues
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Went 4.2 as RB23 in a 14-team PPR league I just drafted in. Right behind Vereen, ahead of McFadden and Matthews. Seems about right given the upside opportunity.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I wasn't all the way on board w/ this guy, and still really am not, and it's clear the rets of my league felt the same (largely anti-GB RB sentiment league-wide) since I took him yesterday w/ pick 6.04 in a 12 team redraft, .5 PPR. Guys like Wilson, D-Rich & Bernard got taken as expected, however.
Underachievers
Footballguy
It was a solid -5 yards though (at least by the tone of the people who have already drafted him).
valhallan
Footballguy
He fell on a Harrell fumble for negative 6 yards. Also had an 11 yard run called back by penalty.
But what I do I know, I only watched the game.
CapnJB
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?
Underachievers
Footballguy
I wondered the same thing with the reply from "valhallen".What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?
joffer
Footballguy
His post was usefulI wondered the same thing with the reply from "valhallen".What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?
What do I win?
timschochet
Footballguy
Here's why I like Lacy: Green Bay has a dynamic offense, but in the past they haven't had anyone to take the air out of the ball once they have a lead. Now they do. 2nd half, Packers up 21-10, we're going to see a heavy dose of Lacy running the ball downfield. It tires the defense and runs down the clock. He's going to get a LOT of touches I think.
Flip side of Lacy's presence is that Rodgers will go down a notch- from a top 1 or 2 QB to lower in the top 10. I would NOT spend a higher round pick on Rodgers this year.
Flip side of Lacy's presence is that Rodgers will go down a notch- from a top 1 or 2 QB to lower in the top 10. I would NOT spend a higher round pick on Rodgers this year.
Underachievers
Footballguy
Useful? How so? No matter how you slice or dice it, 8 carries for 12 yards is not impressive.His post was usefulI wondered the same thing with the reply from "valhallen".What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?
What do I win?
Doing a draft right now with a league full of Packer fans. Lacy went 42nd overall....so at least one Packer fan is infatuated with him. BTW...Rodgers went 3rd overall.
Crazy s**t....
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I can see some bad weeks where he gives you like 4 or points but the stats will be there at year end.
I see like 1100 total yards and double digit TDs. He's a solid #3 rb in redraft and a decent to good #2 rb. Obviously, his value is lower in ppr leagues. I drafted him in a 12 team ppr league behind chris johnson and reggie bush. He was my 4th rd pick.
I see like 1100 total yards and double digit TDs. He's a solid #3 rb in redraft and a decent to good #2 rb. Obviously, his value is lower in ppr leagues. I drafted him in a 12 team ppr league behind chris johnson and reggie bush. He was my 4th rd pick.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Took him at 5.06 as my RB3 in a 12 team, keep 2 league FWIW
5.03 - Miller
5.04 - Matthews
5.06 - Lacy
5.09 - Bernard
6.01 - Bradshaw
5.03 - Miller
5.04 - Matthews
5.06 - Lacy
5.09 - Bernard
6.01 - Bradshaw
CapnJB
Footballguy
The Packers have only had a back do that twice in the last 10 years. I'd temper your expectations a little.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
while I agree on the first part about tons of carries especially in mop-up duty/run out the clock type of stuff, I actually think Lacy will make Rodgers MORE valuable. If Lacy is as good as we think, Rodgers is once again going to be an assassin with the play-fake..its going to keep a safety close® to the LOS, leaving Jones, Cobb, Nelson to feast off of man coverage..and then there's Finley..
and conversely, Rodgers' passing and play fakes, will in turn help out Lacy because teams will not want to load up on the LOS , they must respect the pass..so it then becomes a pick your poison sort of thing..
Fantasy Index is sky high on him, they think he's going to be special..now, they whiffed on Tatum Bell, but they hit the game winning homer last preseason with their love for A. Morris, at a time when no one knew about the kid..
But look at the backs they've had over that time. Most of them were scrubs or it was rbbc.
And look at the second half of last season when they had their running game going (averaged 127 yards and 7 tds).
There really is potential here for Lacy to be great.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I took him 4.8 in a 12 teamer tonight as my RB2. Would have liked him a round later but the RB value dropped off a cliff after him at that point.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And next year the stat could read that there's only been 2 in the last 11 years.At this point the only reason I would pick a guy like Miller over him is because I'm already keeping Rodgers.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Capn and Under doing some serious trolling here.
Look...we know the risks with Lacy.
-pass first offense is the main one
What are the other real risks other than a toe issue...that he had fixed before he played his last season and excelled at Bama?
-another RB? Harris is already dinged again and nothing special...Franklin has done nothing...Starks and Green?
-TD vulture...ask most Packer fans how much we love Kuhn's FB dive near the GL...its predictable and doesn't work.
-Rodgers throwing...covered in Pass first offense comment.
-Rodgers running...I think part of why they drafted 2 backs is to get away from that.
The rewards?
-a 3 down capable back that they have not had in some time.
-shows power and burst through holes
-has excelled near the goalline.
-has shown good awareness in pass protection
-weak threats at the RB position
If they do with Lacy what they looked like they were going to do with Benson...he should be a nice pick in FF.
I said 1000/10 before I drafted him...and am sticking with it now that I have drafted him as my RB3.
Look...we know the risks with Lacy.
-pass first offense is the main one
What are the other real risks other than a toe issue...that he had fixed before he played his last season and excelled at Bama?
-another RB? Harris is already dinged again and nothing special...Franklin has done nothing...Starks and Green?
-TD vulture...ask most Packer fans how much we love Kuhn's FB dive near the GL...its predictable and doesn't work.
-Rodgers throwing...covered in Pass first offense comment.
-Rodgers running...I think part of why they drafted 2 backs is to get away from that.
The rewards?
-a 3 down capable back that they have not had in some time.
-shows power and burst through holes
-has excelled near the goalline.
-has shown good awareness in pass protection
-weak threats at the RB position
If they do with Lacy what they looked like they were going to do with Benson...he should be a nice pick in FF.
I said 1000/10 before I drafted him...and am sticking with it now that I have drafted him as my RB3.
