Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

Good news is the Packers play 2 more good defenses (NE and NO) the rest of the year. 13 games against average to below average defenses.

They'll destroy good defenses, even. This defense is something else.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Kool-aid Larry....

Where do you have Lacy ranked and what are your projections for him?

ok, I doubt anybody is checking this thread for kool-aid larry's draft breakdown, but I'll work off ffcalc for some thumbnail opinion.

first of all, I mostly look in these threads for opinion from others, but I did have a bit of an opinion of my own going in this time, as I had spent a fair amount of effort looking at green bay a couple years ago for some similar thread about starks, grant, or wtfever it was --- the conclusion I came up with is green bay is constantly throwing in the endzone, and even when they don't you get vultured by rodgers and kuhn, so the gb rb didn't really appeal to me, and I have yet to see much, if anything, contrary to that.

not only wasn't lacy's production boosted by rodgers, as people like to insist based on their imaginations, it might have actually been hurt by all these great surrounding players on this historic offense crowding out his td opps.

I'd prefer to look at it drive by drive, but I'm not doing that again.

anyway, here are the (ppr) picks off the top of my head, as my draft is a couple weeks away and I'm still in process:

one thing I notice in this thread is a lot of true believers seem to hang their hats on volume, and I don't generally try to predict injuries, so ppg is more what i tend to look at.

LeSean McCoy

Jamaal Charles

Matt Forte

Adrian Peterson

nobody's a lock for anything, but I really don't see any reason lacy pushes past those ^^ guys.

here's more of the list in ffcalc order

Calvin Johnson

Demaryius Thomas

Jimmy Graham

Dez Bryant

DeMarco Murray

Brandon Marshall

Peyton Manning

Julio Jones

Montee Ball

Jordy Nelson

Arian Foster

Rob Gronkowski

those ^^ are probably all guys I would prefer to lacy, some of which I obviously don't need to take at 1.05, or whatever, but I just put them in there, anyway.

Eddie Lacy

A.J. Green

Marshawn Lynch

LeVeon Bell

Drew Brees

Aaron Rodgers

Antonio Brown

these guys ^^ are players of comparable value that I probably won't end up with, and probably don't have to make the decision on at 1.05

I don't think lacy is elite, and I think there are later round rb who have potential to give me comparable production, whereas it would be tougher to get comparable late round production on the elite te or wr.

lynch, bush, bell, foster, and even vereen, I think, were all comparable ppg values in my league last year, and I actually think chris johnson can close in on that with expected ppr points.

I'd take lacy somewhere in the second, but i doubt i'll have that decision to make

I have high hopes for this thread this year

 

[Tango]

concussion?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

concussion?

nah, I'm good

 

[Concept Coop]

I have high hopes for this thread this year

You're just lucky you picked the one year they play the Seahawks every week.

 

[Ilov80s]

concussion?

He is being evaluated for one per the Packers Twitter account.

 

[Raider Nation]

Had one last year too. They can probably let Starks handle the load at home against the Jets next week.

 

[ponchsox]

Now he's concussed? I'm not liking him right now.

 

[Raider Nation]

I forget what thread I put it in, but I read Lacy hasn't played a full season since his junior year in high school. He gives so much punishment but he takes more than his share too. Look at the beating poor Earl Campbell took. This guy is in the same mold.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Oh my, and I stayed away from Starks because I heard he was having a bad camp.

 

[ponchsox]

10 days until next game hopefully Lacy is G2G.

 

[False Start]

Unleash the typical FBG panic.

 

[ponchsox]

Unleash the typical FBG panic.

Concerned about concussion, not performance.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Unleash the typical FBG panic.

Concussions in consecutive seasons is panic worthy.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Had one last year too. They can probably let Starks handle the load at home against the Jets next week.

Did he? That's concerning for a RB, especially one that runs like he does.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

10 days until next game hopefully Lacy is G2G.

yeah, next week'll get him right --- who they playin'?

 

[ponchsox]

10 days until next game hopefully Lacy is G2G.

yeah, next week'll get him right --- who they playin'?

Jets

 

[Lascelle]

Unleash the typical FBG panic.

Concussions in consecutive seasons is panic worthy.

Is it too soon to mention the name of Jahvid Best? Remember him? I know I do.

 

[ponchsox]

Buy low.

 

[Raider Nation]

Had one last year too. They can probably let Starks handle the load at home against the Jets next week.

Did he? That's concerning for a RB, especially one that runs like he does.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9750763/eddie-lacy-green-bay-packers-cleared-play-concussion

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Other guys ranked around Lacy outside of the big 3: Forte, Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Dougie, Gio.

Lacy's receptions should go up; his carries should go up (thinking 300+); with defenses fearing Rodgers arm and opening bigger lanes, his ypc should go up; with a better, more productive offense, his TD's could go up (12-15 total seems realistic).

Point is, I could definitely see situations where Lacy is #1 Fantasy RB by the end of the year. I can't say that about any of the guys listed above.

Actually, i think the point is i could pencil any of those other guys in for #1 numbers and they'd finish #1.

So you are saying that you could see any one of Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Martin or Gio finishing as the RB1 this year? And more so than Lacy?

Also, all you can do is pencil numbers in. 300 carries is not really an increase from last year (averaged 20 per game over 14 games last year, which would put him into 320+ territory), nor is 12+ TDs-he had 11 last year. Do you disagree that having a healthy Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson should push the defenses back a little, giving him more running room? Do you disagree that these pieces that were missing for most of last year will have a positive impact on the offense and should put Lacy in more chances to score?

I agree that Mike McCarthy has a 14 year history of throwing the ball near the goal line and has had only one running back crack more than 11 total TDs in a single season during that time, Deuce McCallister with 16 TDs in 2002. Deuce is also the only back to crack 2,000 total yards in a McCarthy offense (2003).

I think Eddie can achieve maybe 1,800 yards and maybe 15 TDs because of the reasons you state, but he is working against a lot of history on all fronts. And FTR I have him as RB#4 on my board, a lot of that also to do with the fact that I think he has a higher floor than many RBs.

Yes, if he stays healthy, his floor is high. He can't hardly avoid a 100/10 season if he tried.

IMO, there's a lot oversaid and thought about how McCarthy throws and hasn't run a lot in GB,etc. My opinion is the way you get to have a long coaching career in the NFL is by recognizing AND using your strengths. In Green Bay, it has been the passing, combined with a very pedestrian running game. When he DID have a great runner, he used him. Simple as that. We all know he's too smart to not restrain Rodgers. But he is smart enough to know he can lean on a good, capable runner and maybe preserve his star QB (throwing at the goal line can take a toll on a QB, especially if they bootleg to buy time).

Much like how things set up for a perfect storm for Charles and Shady last year, it looks like this for Lacy. How on Earth do you even begin to put adequate defenders in the box with Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and a host of other capable players? IF (I know it might not happen) Finley returns, wow...You can't possibly defend the interior middle of that field and you're going to have a stampeding bull coming right down at you.

12/34

let me get my calculator for that ypc -- hang on.....

 

[False Start]

Unleash the typical FBG panic.

Concussions in consecutive seasons is panic worthy.

Is it too soon to mention the name of Jahvid Best? Remember him? I know I do.

Can we wait to see if he even has a concussion first. He may, but wait to panic. Then get rid of him if he worries you so bad.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

no need for panic -- if you bit on eddie lazy with a top 6 pick your season's already over

 

[RBM]

Looked like T Rich tonight

 

[ponchsox]

Looked like T Rich tonight

If he looks like T Rich against another defense I'll be worried.

 

[False Start]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 33s
Eddie Lacy suffered a concussion against Seahawks

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

isn't 15 pages of this thread about people banking on 16 games from him?

 

[ponchsox]

Wes Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 33s

Eddie Lacy suffered a concussion against Seahawks

Wow, that sucks. Concussions could shorten this kids career.

 

[werdnoynek]

Concussion aside, he looked like a beast out there.

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Concussion aside, he looked like a bust out there.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Yeah, he's a very good power runner talent-wise. But these concussions scare me in dynasty formats especially.

 

[Raider Nation]

Concussion aside, he looked like a beast out there.

He had a 15-yard run.

The other 11 carries went for 19 yards.

 

[flapgreen]

I don't like him, especially now that he has a cconcussion.

 

[werdnoynek]

Concussion aside, he looked like a beast out there.

He had a 15-yard run.

The other 11 carries went for 19 yards.

Stats tell a small part of the story. I know us fantasy folks rarely see beyond them, but it wasn't easy out there.

 

[werdnoynek]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

 

[ponchsox]

Starks and Kuhn will cut into his carries big time after the concussion. They need to keep him healthy.

 

[Saboo]

Looked like T Rich tonight

I wouldn't read too much into this game. Seattle made Peyton Manning look like Ryan Leaf in the Super Bowl last year. Lacy will be fine

 

[Raider Nation]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

 

[Eminence]

Definitely need to handcuff with Starks. Poor guy.

 

[werdnoynek]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

 

[Raider Nation]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

 

[werdnoynek]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

 

[Reegus]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

All Larry does is go to every players forum and waits for them to have a bad game so he can call them busts.

 

[False Start]

Starks and Kuhn will cut into his carries big time after the concussion. They need to keep him healthy.

 

[False Start]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

All Larry does is go to every players forum and waits for them to have a bad game so he can call them busts.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

wtf.....I just quoted you

 

[Raider Nation]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

Larry has to strike while the iron is hot. When Lacy rumbles for 200 yards and 3 TDs against a bottom-feeder at Lambeau, the shtick doesn't work as well.

 

[TenTimes]

I forget what thread I put it in, but I read Lacy hasn't played a full season since his junior year in high school. He gives so much punishment but he takes more than his share too. Look at the beating poor Earl Campbell took. This guy is in the same mold.

They can't all be Beasts

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

Larry has to strike while the iron is hot. When Lacy rumbles for 200 yards and 3 TDs against a bottom-feeder at Lambeau, the shtick doesn't work as well.

I might be on vacation that week

but, to be fair about it, so far it's an imaginary week, so maybe I'll take my vacation in candyland

 

[ponchsox]

The Jets D aren't slouches against the run, either. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they sat him.