Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (3 Viewers)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

All Larry does is go to every players forum and waits for them to have a bad game so he can call them busts.

yeah, it's not like I already have 100 posts in this thread, or anything like that

 

[Otis]

Concussion aside, he looked like a beast out there.

He had a 15-yard run.

The other 11 carries went for 19 yards.

BEAST

This place is so nutso.

 

[werdnoynek]

That TD was his BTW too... Kuhhhhhhhhghn.

 

[Concept Coop]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

No argument. But it's still nothing to jump for joy over.

And it's nothing to call him a bust for either.

Which I never did, FTR.

Larry (shocker) did.

All Larry does is go to every players forum and waits for them to have a bad game so he can call them busts.

yeah, it's not like I already have 100 posts in this thread, or anything like that

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

 

[az_prof]

ETA: Packers line is in shambles. He was getting yards very few people in the league could tonight.

Injury to starting Tackle--do you think the line is going to block any better in the future? That concerns me. And the concussion is a big concern because they are cumulative--the more you have the worst it gets and the more likely of future concussions.

 

[Concept Coop]

Looked like T Rich tonight

I wouldn't read too much into this game. Seattle made Peyton Manning look like Ryan Leaf in the Super Bowl last year. Lacy will be fine

Lacy is T. Rich and Rodgers is Boller, damn it!

 

[cstu]

Anyone not like Eddie Lacy?

A lot of people tonight.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

what's funny is I thought this was a 'anyone not like lacy at 1.05' thread, and I just realized it was a draft thread.

he's good people -- but way ####### overdrafted in fantasy

 

[Concept Coop]

what's funny is I thought this was a 'anyone not like lacy at 1.05' thread, and I just realized it was a draft thread.

he's good people -- but way ####### overdrafted in fantasy

If there's anything that fantasy football has taught me--it's to claim victory after week 1. Due to injury.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

what's funny is I thought this was a 'anyone not like lacy at 1.05' thread, and I just realized it was a draft thread.

he's good people -- but way ####### overdrafted in fantasy

If there's anything that fantasy football has taught me--it's to claim victory after week 1. Due to injury.

I've learned people make a lot of excuses in fantasy football

good that we're never too old to keep learning

 

[werdnoynek]

what's funny is I thought this was a 'anyone not like lacy at 1.05' thread, and I just realized it was a draft thread.

he's good people -- but way ####### overdrafted in fantasy

If there's anything that fantasy football has taught me--it's to claim victory after week 1. Due to injury.

Larry claims victory when he can and hides when he can't. Let's let him have his fun, because that's all we see him have.

 

[Concept Coop]

I've learned people make a lot of excuses in fantasy football

good that we're never too old to keep learning

I've learned that people don't really know what "excuse" means.

 

[valhallan]

He looked fine. Even Rodgers struggled. Seattle is a buzzsaw, and they were raising a banner tonight.

Lacy got head-speared by that **** Brandon Meriwether and smacked by an amped up Seattle D.. I think those scenarios are outliers.

 

[Tango]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

 

[Shutout]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

I would say most people likely tempered their expectations last night with Lacy. THey knew Seattle was a tough opener, similar to how Rodger was ranked out of the top 5 or so QB plays for the week. That won't happen often. Its just a tough place to play and Rodgers' numbers, Lacy's numbers, etc, etc reflected it.

The Packers will be fine. Looks like they dodged a bullet with their line injuries. Matthews looked good. Can't figure out if Peppers aged 10 in 1 or if he is just adjusting to the LB position vs. DE. Won't matter much. Daniels and D. Jones are coming on. THey might need to address Brad Jones though...geez.

Anyway, back to Lacy. You have to have a bit of a sick feeling regarding the concussion but the one he got last year was atypical in that Merriweather does what Merriweather does and was an idiot (how he remains allowed to keep playing amazes me) and the one last night was atypical in the sense that there are probably only 2-4 secondary players in the league with the size to match up like that and give that type of hit (legally). Lacy seems to do a great job protecting himself against the line and LBers but seems to need to rethink things in the secondary. It is odd that secondary players have been the ones to ring his bell both times. He has 10 days to progress so that's a bonus for fantasy.

Overall, the Pack are going to see much better days. You just can't open up in Seattle on prime time with all that emotion and get an honest feel for things after travelling halfway across country. Their HFA is similar to going into the dome in New Orleans. Its just not conducive to reflecting your best team.

 

[Concept Coop]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game.

Since high school.

 

[Chaka]

Other guys ranked around Lacy outside of the big 3: Forte, Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Dougie, Gio.

Lacy's receptions should go up; his carries should go up (thinking 300+); with defenses fearing Rodgers arm and opening bigger lanes, his ypc should go up; with a better, more productive offense, his TD's could go up (12-15 total seems realistic).

Point is, I could definitely see situations where Lacy is #1 Fantasy RB by the end of the year. I can't say that about any of the guys listed above.

Actually, i think the point is i could pencil any of those other guys in for #1 numbers and they'd finish #1.

So you are saying that you could see any one of Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Martin or Gio finishing as the RB1 this year? And more so than Lacy?

Also, all you can do is pencil numbers in. 300 carries is not really an increase from last year (averaged 20 per game over 14 games last year, which would put him into 320+ territory), nor is 12+ TDs-he had 11 last year. Do you disagree that having a healthy Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson should push the defenses back a little, giving him more running room? Do you disagree that these pieces that were missing for most of last year will have a positive impact on the offense and should put Lacy in more chances to score?

I agree that Mike McCarthy has a 14 year history of throwing the ball near the goal line and has had only one running back crack more than 11 total TDs in a single season during that time, Deuce McCallister with 16 TDs in 2002. Deuce is also the only back to crack 2,000 total yards in a McCarthy offense (2003).

I think Eddie can achieve maybe 1,800 yards and maybe 15 TDs because of the reasons you state, but he is working against a lot of history on all fronts. And FTR I have him as RB#4 on my board, a lot of that also to do with the fact that I think he has a higher floor than many RBs.

Yes, if he stays healthy, his floor is high. He can't hardly avoid a 100/10 season if he tried.

IMO, there's a lot oversaid and thought about how McCarthy throws and hasn't run a lot in GB,etc. My opinion is the way you get to have a long coaching career in the NFL is by recognizing AND using your strengths. In Green Bay, it has been the passing, combined with a very pedestrian running game. When he DID have a great runner, he used him. Simple as that. We all know he's too smart to not restrain Rodgers. But he is smart enough to know he can lean on a good, capable runner and maybe preserve his star QB (throwing at the goal line can take a toll on a QB, especially if they bootleg to buy time).

Much like how things set up for a perfect storm for Charles and Shady last year, it looks like this for Lacy. How on Earth do you even begin to put adequate defenders in the box with Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and a host of other capable players? IF (I know it might not happen) Finley returns, wow...You can't possibly defend the interior middle of that field and you're going to have a stampeding bull coming right down at you.

12/34

let me get my calculator for that ypc -- hang on.....

18/55

15/48

12/44

20/77

16/55

18/65

22/78

8/20

13/28

7/13

21/65

19/50

19/67

17/33

9/29

17/43

8/23

16/45

16/47

Some stat lines from McCoy, Charles, Peterson, Forte & Lynch last season. It happens

 

[UKColt]

So we're writing him off based on a game away from home, against the toughest D in the league, where his o-line lost it's starting RT and he got a concussion.

Well if any of you are selling, I'm buying.

 

[Tango]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

"We feel pretty good about it," Thompson said of Lacy's almost endless history of injury. "I think it could have been one of the reasons he wasn't drafted earlier by other teams."

 

[Tango]

So we're writing him off based on a game away from home, against the toughest D in the league, where his o-line lost it's starting RT and he got a concussion.

Well if any of you are selling, I'm buying.

Agree. It's important to have Starks though. Lacy would have been the first back off the board two years ago if it wasnt for his injury history. Some people (not all) seemed to forget that this draft season.

 

[Shutout]

Other guys ranked around Lacy outside of the big 3: Forte, Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Dougie, Gio.

Lacy's receptions should go up; his carries should go up (thinking 300+); with defenses fearing Rodgers arm and opening bigger lanes, his ypc should go up; with a better, more productive offense, his TD's could go up (12-15 total seems realistic).

Point is, I could definitely see situations where Lacy is #1 Fantasy RB by the end of the year. I can't say that about any of the guys listed above.

Actually, i think the point is i could pencil any of those other guys in for #1 numbers and they'd finish #1.

So you are saying that you could see any one of Lynch, Murray, Foster, Bell, Ball, Martin or Gio finishing as the RB1 this year? And more so than Lacy?

Also, all you can do is pencil numbers in. 300 carries is not really an increase from last year (averaged 20 per game over 14 games last year, which would put him into 320+ territory), nor is 12+ TDs-he had 11 last year. Do you disagree that having a healthy Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson should push the defenses back a little, giving him more running room? Do you disagree that these pieces that were missing for most of last year will have a positive impact on the offense and should put Lacy in more chances to score?

I agree that Mike McCarthy has a 14 year history of throwing the ball near the goal line and has had only one running back crack more than 11 total TDs in a single season during that time, Deuce McCallister with 16 TDs in 2002. Deuce is also the only back to crack 2,000 total yards in a McCarthy offense (2003).

I think Eddie can achieve maybe 1,800 yards and maybe 15 TDs because of the reasons you state, but he is working against a lot of history on all fronts. And FTR I have him as RB#4 on my board, a lot of that also to do with the fact that I think he has a higher floor than many RBs.

Yes, if he stays healthy, his floor is high. He can't hardly avoid a 100/10 season if he tried.

IMO, there's a lot oversaid and thought about how McCarthy throws and hasn't run a lot in GB,etc. My opinion is the way you get to have a long coaching career in the NFL is by recognizing AND using your strengths. In Green Bay, it has been the passing, combined with a very pedestrian running game. When he DID have a great runner, he used him. Simple as that. We all know he's too smart to not restrain Rodgers. But he is smart enough to know he can lean on a good, capable runner and maybe preserve his star QB (throwing at the goal line can take a toll on a QB, especially if they bootleg to buy time).

Much like how things set up for a perfect storm for Charles and Shady last year, it looks like this for Lacy. How on Earth do you even begin to put adequate defenders in the box with Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson, and a host of other capable players? IF (I know it might not happen) Finley returns, wow...You can't possibly defend the interior middle of that field and you're going to have a stampeding bull coming right down at you.

12/34

let me get my calculator for that ypc -- hang on.....

Last year, in Week 1, Marshawn Lynch went on the road and played a very good Carolina Defense and posted:

17/43 rush

2/9 catch

Very similar to what we saw last night. One game does not a season make.

 

[Shutout]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

"We feel pretty good about it," Thompson said of Lacy's almost endless history of injury. "I think it could have been one of the reasons he wasn't drafted earlier by other teams."

That was in reference to the toe, not a concussion.

When you said he hasn't had many games, period, that is false and misleading. He missed one game in the NFL. If you want to take it back to college, I guess you can but it is really irrelevant at some point. Most football players miss time. Adrian Peterson had several missed games in college didn't he? Do we hold that against him now? Adrian Peterson missed more games his rookie year than Lacy did in his? Does that grade against Peterson?

We can talk about toes or ribs or ankles or anything else you want to bring into the discussion but I think it's pretty clear the issue that is relevant at this point is two concussions in a year and that IS worth discussing but he hasn't missed a lot of time in the NFL.

 

[unckeyherb]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

 

[unckeyherb]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

"We feel pretty good about it," Thompson said of Lacy's almost endless history of injury. "I think it could have been one of the reasons he wasn't drafted earlier by other teams."

That was in reference to the toe, not a concussion.

When you said he hasn't had many games, period, that is false and misleading. He missed one game in the NFL. If you want to take it back to college, I guess you can but it is really irrelevant at some point. Most football players miss time. Adrian Peterson had several missed games in college didn't he? Do we hold that against him now? Adrian Peterson missed more games his rookie year than Lacy did in his? Does that grade against Peterson?

We can talk about toes or ribs or ankles or anything else you want to bring into the discussion but I think it's pretty clear the issue that is relevant at this point is two concussions in a year and that IS worth discussing but he hasn't missed a lot of time in the NFL.

He's got 10 days to recover. I'm not overly concerned. And yeah, the "he hasn't had many games period" statement is absurd.

 

[Concept Coop]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

"We feel pretty good about it," Thompson said of Lacy's almost endless history of injury. "I think it could have been one of the reasons he wasn't drafted earlier by other teams."

I'd do some research for yourself--there was a lot of misinformation thrown around. He never missed a game in college. The injury in question was a toe fusion to correct turf toe. Some were concerned that his toe was fused together. Lacy and the doctor who performed the procedure said it wasn't a complete fusion. The doctor suggested that the movement Lacy showed after the procedure, wouldn't be physically possible with a fully fused toe. In fact, Lacy never missed a regular season practice in his college career. If it wasn't completely fused, and it was just turf toe as the doctor said, it has no bearing on his health moving forward.

This is the first red flag in his early career. Concussions happen. When they happen more than once--there is reason for concern. But anybody pretending to have seen it coming is full of it.

 

[Concept Coop]

When you said he hasn't had many games, period, that is false and misleading. He missed one game in the NFL. If you want to take it back to college, I guess you can but it is really irrelevant at some point.

Let him take it back to college. It furthers your point.

 

[mikel0254]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

 

[Tango]

Lacy hasn't had that many bad games.

Thanks to injury he hasnt had many games period

Huh? He's missed one game. Back off the ledge.

"We feel pretty good about it," Thompson said of Lacy's almost endless history of injury. "I think it could have been one of the reasons he wasn't drafted earlier by other teams."

I'd do some research for yourself--there was a lot of misinformation thrown around. He never missed a game in college. The injury in question was a toe fusion to correct turf toe. Some were concerned that his toe was fused together. Lacy and the doctor who performed the procedure said it wasn't a complete fusion. The doctor suggested that the movement Lacy showed after the procedure, wouldn't be physically possible with a fully fused toe. In fact, Lacy never missed a regular season practice in his college career. If it wasn't completely fused, and it was just turf toe as the doctor said, it has no bearing on his health moving forward.

This is the first red flag in his early career. Concussions happen. When they happen more than once--there is reason for concern. But anybody pretending to have seen it coming is full of it.

Yes, mostly true...but he did miss some game time at Alabama due to injury (Vandy comes to mind as a game he was completely ruled out for) . He really hasnt played very much over the past 5 years. Thanks to TRich, Ingram and a foot injury he carried the ball less than 100 times per season in all but his last year at Alabama. From an injury perspective that can be viewed as a positive in that he hasnt lost much tread on the tires; but then again, he dropped to 60 overall in the draft expressly because of the injury history. The injury risk ended up defining his pro-draft positioning.

That doesnt mean I dont like him and it doesnt mean Im a seller. Im a buyer...as is already noted on the record in an above post.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

Full disclosure here-- I actually really like Lacy this season but don't own him in any of my leagues. Unfortunately--even though I like him this season--I didn't like him more than Calvin, Forte, or Jimmy Graham--so i ended up not getting him in any of my drafts. In any case--I don't think the problem is his actual "production" numbers against a very tough Seattle D. There is a multitude of issues that together should be worrisome for Lacy owners. One issue is that James Starks looked better than Lacy did against the same tough D. Most people that drafted Lacy did so with the notion that Lacy was going to be a premier "bell cow" type back--and the way Starks looked last night--- it would be hard to see Lacy not losing at least a few touches there. Also--Green Bay has used Kuhn as a goal line td guy for a couple years now--and last night exposed that they are still willing to take Lacy out at the goal line. Thirdly--you have injuries to the offensive line in the first game that could effect some of Lacy's production. Lastly--we have a running back suffering his 2nd concussion in 2 years--which is certainly not a positive thing. While any one of these things independently might warrant the perception of the fantasy over-reacting---I think that all of them together are a bit worrisome. With that being said--I still do like Lacy--and I'd certainly keep my eyes open to "buy low" opportunities.

 

[Concept Coop]

Yes, mostly true...but he did miss some game time at Alabama due to injury (Vandy comes to mind as a game he was completely ruled out for)

Thanks. You're right. I must have confused his never missing a practice as also applying to games.

He really hasnt played very much over the past 5 years.

He played in 38 games and handled the ball 390 times. I think that will measure up to the mean nicely.

From an injury perspective that can be viewed as a positive in that he hasnt lost much tread on the tires; but then again, he dropped to 60 overall in the draft expressly because of the injury history. The injury risk ended up defining his pro-draft positioning.

There were other concerns too, due to the pro-day fiasco.

I understand being concerned about the toe. I don't personally agree with suggesting he's injury prone at this point, however. 2 games in 5 years isn't a red flag for the RB position. He could prove to be, of course. But it's premature.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

10 days until next game hopefully Lacy is G2G.

yeah, next week'll get him right --- who they playin'?

Jets

Top run defense.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured,

 

[mikel0254]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

Full disclosure here-- I actually really like Lacy this season but don't own him in any of my leagues. Unfortunately--even though I like him this season--I didn't like him more than Calvin, Forte, or Jimmy Graham--so i ended up not getting him in any of my drafts. In any case--I don't think the problem is his actual "production" numbers against a very tough Seattle D. There is a multitude of issues that together should be worrisome for Lacy owners. One issue is that James Starks looked better than Lacy did against the same tough D. Most people that drafted Lacy did so with the notion that Lacy was going to be a premier "bell cow" type back--and the way Starks looked last night--- it would be hard to see Lacy not losing at least a few touches there. Also--Green Bay was used Kuhn as a goal line td guy for a couple years now--and last night exposed that they are still willing to take Lacy out at the goal line. Thirdly--you have injuries to the offensive line in the first game that could effect some of Lacy's production. Lastly--we have a running back suffering his 2nd concussion in 2 years--which is certainly not a positive thing. While any one of these things independently might warrant the perception of the fantasy over-reacting---I think that all of them together are a bit worrisome. With that being said--I still do like Lacy--and I'd certainly keep my eyes open to "buy low" opportunities.

It depends on how you look at most of those issues you list. The concussions, of course are worrisome. Starks outrushed Lacy, but neither looked head and shoulders over the other. They had Starks last year and they know Lacy is a better all around back, even if he didn't look like it in the first game of the season against the SB champs who have the best D in the league. They also didn't take Lacy out at the GL, they had him in there with 2 other backs in a very strange formation and handed it to Kuhn. They had given it to Lacy the drive before at the 7, so I'm pretty sure he's not losing out on being the GL back. He just may get a few vulture throughout the year. Last year, Lacy was very good at the GL...the coaches know that. I don't know about the OL, but I do agree it didn't look great...especially with the RT going down.

All in all, it wasn't what Lacy owners wanted to see in game 1, but I wouldn't put the cart before the horse when suggesting he's not going to be a RB1 this year.

 

[Concept Coop]

Full disclosure here-- I actually really like Lacy this season but don't own him in any of my leagues. Unfortunately--even though I like him this season--I didn't like him more than Calvin, Forte, or Jimmy Graham--so i ended up not getting him in any of my drafts. In any case--I don't think the problem is his actual "production" numbers against a very tough Seattle D. There is a multitude of issues that together should be worrisome for Lacy owners. One issue is that James Starks looked better than Lacy did against the same tough D. Most people that drafted Lacy did so with the notion that Lacy was going to be a premier "bell cow" type back--and the way Starks looked last night--- it would be hard to see Lacy not losing at least a few touches there. Also--Green Bay was used Kuhn as a goal line td guy for a couple years now--and last night exposed that they are still willing to take Lacy out at the goal line. Thirdly--you have injuries to the offensive line in the first game that could effect some of Lacy's production. Lastly--we have a running back suffering his 2nd concussion in 2 years--which is certainly not a positive thing. While any one of these things independently might warrant the perception of the fantasy over-reacting---I think that all of them together are a bit worrisome. With that being said--I still do like Lacy--and I'd certainly keep my eyes open to "buy low" opportunities.

I'm with you, in that I'm a big fan but didn't draft him anywhere this year. I actually traded him in 3 dynasty leagues, too. I aslo agree that there is valid reason for concern--he's worth less than he was this time yesterday, in redraft leagues.

One point re: Starks, however: I didn't see him look better. He ended up in space a bit more, but he did last year as well. A lot of that is due to usage. Lacy got the early, set-the-tone looks. Starks got more garbage time and passing down looks.

In other words--I don't see RBBC concerns here. Starks was a stud last year too. But Lacy is the much better dirty work back.

 

[mikel0254]

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured,

The point is, one 2 yard run would have made it an ok night. I for one am not worried about Lacy getting vulture all year by Kuhn. Are you? Lacy was great at the GL last year.

 

[ponchsox]

Lets not forget the Packers were trailing early and had to change the game plan (to no avail) on the fly. Bonnie Bernstein interviewed a Seahawks defensive player (forgot who) after the game and he said their first goal was stopping Lacy. Every time Lacy tried to rush through the line he was quickly gang tackled by 4 players. He did look like a wrecking ball but even he couldn't break through that.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured,

The point is, one 2 yard run would have made it an ok night. I for one am not worried about Lacy getting vulture all year by Kuhn. Are you? .

Keep up with the thread, brah

 

[mikel0254]

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured,

The point is, one 2 yard run would have made it an ok night. I for one am not worried about Lacy getting vulture all year by Kuhn. Are you? .

Keep up with the thread, brah

Haha! I just went back and read a few pages. That's what makes a market...need both sides. You may have won round 1, but there are 15 more rounds to go

ETA: With him concussed, you may have won rounds 1&2, with 14 to go!

 

[jon_mx]

Anyone not like John Kuhn?

I can't believe I passed on him in round 1.

 

[unckeyherb]

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured,

The point is, one 2 yard run would have made it an ok night. I for one am not worried about Lacy getting vulture all year by Kuhn. Are you? Lacy was great at the GL last year.

I can assure you, he is.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Full disclosure here-- I actually really like Lacy this season but don't own him in any of my leagues. Unfortunately--even though I like him this season--I didn't like him more than Calvin, Forte, or Jimmy Graham--so i ended up not getting him in any of my drafts. In any case--I don't think the problem is his actual "production" numbers against a very tough Seattle D. There is a multitude of issues that together should be worrisome for Lacy owners. One issue is that James Starks looked better than Lacy did against the same tough D. Most people that drafted Lacy did so with the notion that Lacy was going to be a premier "bell cow" type back--and the way Starks looked last night--- it would be hard to see Lacy not losing at least a few touches there. Also--Green Bay was used Kuhn as a goal line td guy for a couple years now--and last night exposed that they are still willing to take Lacy out at the goal line. Thirdly--you have injuries to the offensive line in the first game that could effect some of Lacy's production. Lastly--we have a running back suffering his 2nd concussion in 2 years--which is certainly not a positive thing. While any one of these things independently might warrant the perception of the fantasy over-reacting---I think that all of them together are a bit worrisome. With that being said--I still do like Lacy--and I'd certainly keep my eyes open to "buy low" opportunities.

I'm with you, in that I'm a big fan but didn't draft him anywhere this year. I actually traded him in 3 dynasty leagues, too. I aslo agree that there is valid reason for concern--he's worth less than he was this time yesterday, in redraft leagues.

One point re: Starks, however: I didn't see him look better. He ended up in space a bit more, but he did last year as well. A lot of that is due to usage. Lacy got the early, set-the-tone looks. Starks got more garbage time and passing down looks.

In other words--I don't see RBBC concerns here. Starks was a stud last year too. But Lacy is the much better dirty work back.

I couldn't be more on board with you. I think he's still certainly a great player--but his value did take a slight hit last night. During my drafts--even with me liking Lacy--I probably would have looked at him in the late first round or early second rounds of my drafts (redrafts)--but I definitely was not considering him in the early to mid first round. I think that after last nights game--his value probably fell to exactly that-- a late first rounder/early second rounder. You bring up some great points about Starks--and I actually will concede that argument to you. However--I do think that Starks played well enough to at least be in an issue. I'm not talking full RBBC--but I do think he looked well enough to carve out 8-12 touches per game. The concussion thing is probably the most worrisome thing--but I cannot think of an RB where injuries aren't a concern. With all that being said--I think that if I were to do a fantasy draft today--I would probably look at drafting Lacy somewhere in the top 10-15 picks. At this very moment--I don't know if I could value him more than AP, Charles, Lesean, Forte, Calvin, Jimmy, Dez, Demaryious, and Marshawn.

 

[oswizzle]

GB = RBBC!!! Starks looked like he had more moves then Lacy...Lacy looks for too much contact.... that's not going to work in the NFL son

 

[Concept Coop]

At this very moment--I don't know if I could value him more than AP, Charles, Lesean, Forte, Calvin, Jimmy, Dez, Demaryious, and Marshawn.

Agree, with the exception of Lynch. It's close and if Lacy misses time, that could change. But I'll side with the better offense and higher reception totals for now.

I'd add Green, Marshall, and maybe even Peyton, depending on settings.

 

[Ghost Rider]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

 

[Concept Coop]

GB = RBBC!!! Starks looked like he had more moves then Lacy...Lacy looks for too much contact.... that's not going to work in the NFL son

Looks for contact? No offensive ball handler looks for contact. Lacy is a load to bring down..just like Lynch and ADP, who have both had long, healthy NFL careers.

As for Starks--he averaged over 5 YPC last year--1 better than Lacy. He's always been a solid back. The staff knew that last year and knew it coming into the current season. 7 touches didn't change their mind about anything.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

Full disclosure here-- I actually really like Lacy this season but don't own him in any of my leagues. Unfortunately--even though I like him this season--I didn't like him more than Calvin, Forte, or Jimmy Graham--so i ended up not getting him in any of my drafts. In any case--I don't think the problem is his actual "production" numbers against a very tough Seattle D. There is a multitude of issues that together should be worrisome for Lacy owners. One issue is that James Starks looked better than Lacy did against the same tough D. Most people that drafted Lacy did so with the notion that Lacy was going to be a premier "bell cow" type back--and the way Starks looked last night--- it would be hard to see Lacy not losing at least a few touches there. Also--Green Bay was used Kuhn as a goal line td guy for a couple years now--and last night exposed that they are still willing to take Lacy out at the goal line. Thirdly--you have injuries to the offensive line in the first game that could effect some of Lacy's production. Lastly--we have a running back suffering his 2nd concussion in 2 years--which is certainly not a positive thing. While any one of these things independently might warrant the perception of the fantasy over-reacting---I think that all of them together are a bit worrisome. With that being said--I still do like Lacy--and I'd certainly keep my eyes open to "buy low" opportunities.

It depends on how you look at most of those issues you list. The concussions, of course are worrisome. Starks outrushed Lacy, but neither looked head and shoulders over the other. They had Starks last year and they know Lacy is a better all around back, even if he didn't look like it in the first game of the season against the SB champs who have the best D in the league. They also didn't take Lacy out at the GL, they had him in there with 2 other backs in a very strange formation and handed it to Kuhn. They had given it to Lacy the drive before at the 7, so I'm pretty sure he's not losing out on being the GL back. He just may get a few vulture throughout the year. Last year, Lacy was very good at the GL...the coaches know that. I don't know about the OL, but I do agree it didn't look great...especially with the RT going down.

All in all, it wasn't what Lacy owners wanted to see in game 1, but I wouldn't put the cart before the horse when suggesting he's not going to be a RB1 this year.

I think you bring up some good points and I pretty much agree with everything you say. I think Lacy is by far and away the best back to own in GB at this point in time--but I do feel like Starks did play well enough to at least be a factor. I think the concussion thing is the most worrisome. I think that if anything--Lacy's concussion is probably more motivation for Green Bay to use Kuhn at the goal line. Goal line situations tend to create environments where the defense is tightly packed near the offensive line--and Lacy seems to be a head first type of runner. Even with all of these concerns--I would still consider Lacy an RB1--but I just don't see a guy that I would be willing to take in the early to mid first round of drafts. In fact, as of today--I think I'd probably put him in that Doug Martin range--which isn't bad at all.

 

[mikel0254]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

 

[Ghost Rider]

exactly. Last year's RB4 (Moreno), RB5 (Lynch) and RB9 (Johnson) all had comparable week one scores. If Kuhn continues to vulture his TDs and/or he somehow forgets to run then I'll be worried. For now I'll remain as high on him as I was coming into the season and not over react to the first game of the season.

If Lacy doesn't get that TD vultured, he puts up 10+ is standard leagues and everyone is ok. Maybe not OK with how he looked out there, but who does look good against SEA? There's a lot of overreaction this morning, IMO

You realize there is no guarantee that Lacy scores there if he is given the ball, right? Just because he was good at the goal line last year doesn't mean he is gonna score every time he gets the ball at the 1 or 2.

Of course. But I also think Lacy is a better back than Kuhn...so if Kuhn scores it, I assume Lacy would have as well

It doesn't always work that way. Giving the ball to the fullback at the goal line sometimes catches the defense off guard and gets the sneaky score, instead of giving it to the RB who the defense was keying on.

 

[mphtrilogy]

dude can still play, they got hammered by a great team..

downgrade yes, a touch, but i thought he ran really well and hard, but sea was all over him

starks has his own share of injury problems as well

 

[LawFitz]

Don't downgrade at all due to last night's pedestrian performance against the league's best defense.

Downgrade because of added concussion history, OL injury (and maybe slightly b/c Starks seems more of a threat to touches than we thought).