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Apocalypto (1 Viewer)
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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I caught the last showing finally before it left theaters on Thursday night and I was enthralled. Mel's tightest movie directed yet and the best storytelling, even better than Braveheart. Braveheart is probably the better movie, but this was a better directing job, and its unfortunate he handicapped himself from critical and peer acclaim in a largely Jew business, because he should be getting more accolades then he has for this. Easily in my top 10 in a weak movie year.
Crimson Hawk
Axis of Evel
I thought that this movie was awesome. It is obvious that 99% of the bad reviews were due to people retaliating against at Mel for his drunken rant. You may hate the man but that movie was sweet.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
FWIW, I thought that The Passion was more over-the-top obsessively violent.
No ####. It's a movie - not a documentary, not a PBS special, etc it's fiction people. FWIW, I thought the movie was damn good. One of the better ones I've seen the past year. I would've rather seen this up for Best Picture over The Departed or Babel.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I was very apprehensive to watch this film after what Mel did with the Passion, a film I thought was pretty much an exercise in sadism with the bible as a mere backdrop for Gibson's obsession with what Christ had to suffer through.
I watched the film a good weeks ago and my wife and I still have some conversations about it so it must be a pretty good film on certain levels. The movie has been out for a long time so I don't think there is any reason to hold back on plot and whatnot...if you are seriuously going to rent the movie and don't want to know anything then perhaps you should stop reading about here.
The opening of the film was really tough. You have a father of the tribe who witnesses a group of people that look like they are running away from evil...fear all over their faces. Does he do anything like evacuate the area or try and get people out of harms way? No he doesn't and that really stuck out to me. I am not saying the choice to do what he opted not to do is the wrong "movie" choice as it of course had to be that way for the movie to keep going. However it also relates to real life and my sig at the bottom for people that opt not to do anything...they would rather just eventually get eaten by the animal in the corner than actually deal with the problem/animal. And you know from my postings here how I translate that to a lot of things in the political arena. I thought Mel was trying to show us some of that.
We get a very nice 10-15 minute segment where we get to know the Mayan tribe a little bit. I was not super connected to the characters but I cared enough to not want to watch what happened next. And that is where the over the top sadism is put on film. TO watch this perfectly nice group of people slaughtered, raped, and brutalized by a group of savages...again I saw the connection to why you want to not allow modern day savages to be in control. And unfortunately the United States allows a lot of it to happen in Africa but I will stop with that line of thought for the moment.
The rather hefty character who could not get his wife pregnant, I felt he was one of the strongest characters in the film. I felt what he saiud when he was basically crying while being tied to a pole and could not help his wife who was being carried off to be raped by the savages. He said how sad the situation was and I tended to agree...in fact I thought about shutting the movie off about 40 minutes into it as I knew there was going to be no way out for most of these characters minus Jaguar Paw, who I haven't really even mentioned yet.
The scene at the Mayan temple with the human sacrifices...amazing costumes and cinematography, I felt like I was actually there. Now the way Jaguar Paw gets out of that situation is completely unreal but then again when you get to the end of this film most of it is over the top and you need some suspension of disbelief.
We get about 30-40 minutes of a good ole fashion chase scene through the forest. Some will love that part, some could get a little bored...my wife was on the edge of her seat and in fact liked this movie a lot.
I think Gibson is a great storyteller and he can really mkae a film but he absolutely needs to tone it down a bit in the gore department. You want to have a junglecat eat the flesh off someone's face, fine...but how bout using a camera angle that isn't at the same distance one would see on a Discovery open heart surgery special...seriously, it's just gross. Now the savage/guy who basically terrorizes the village the most and you almost want to see something awful happen to him...like being chained to a pillar and beaten with cat o nines and whipped into a bloody mess, then marched around with a 300 lb cross, and eventually nailed into the sucker and hung upside down over a cliff and dropped...that would have been a befitting ending to this turds life but instead Mel gives us this cute little blood spurting out of the side of his head. You see this was a situation where Mel could have and should have given us the full on brunt gore that he craves to put on the screen...this was the time to have something so bad happen that people are talking about it...it was kind of a letdown how he was killed but then again you could have killed this SOB 100 times 100 different ways and would not make up for all the pain and agony he caused. Which brings us to the end of the film and some final thoughts.
In the end you are left feeling pretty hollow. I mean there is no saving the majority of the village so it really is a sad movie. Mel lets us see the arrival of the Spaniards but that doesn't really make me feel better that the Mayan temple will be taken down and those people will be destroyed. People siffered because they were slow to react. The father figure should have taken action but opted not to and it destroyed him and the village...and I think that is what I take away from it th most. Same thing happened with Jesus...the apostles all run and hide rather than stand up and make the conflict happen in the Garden of Gathemene(I know its spelled wrong)...you think I'm joking but its a ringing theme that people in this country should take notice. The notion that countries like Iran should be able to have nuclear weapons, or that the United States is the real enemy, or that George Bush is as bad as Saddam Hussein...I just can't follow that logic, and I don't have to. People need to wake up and take all necesary precautions to ensure that things like what is shown in Gibson's film do not happen here. And to laugh it off is to go against most of written history. All empires tend to come to an end sooner or later...I truly believe we live in the United States Empire right now. Most empires tend to fall apart when people develop empathy not just for other countries but towards their own. Do you see a split in this country over what we do? Has it been that way for awhile now? Just some questions I would raise.
I would encourage folks to see the movie.
I watched the film a good weeks ago and my wife and I still have some conversations about it so it must be a pretty good film on certain levels. The movie has been out for a long time so I don't think there is any reason to hold back on plot and whatnot...if you are seriuously going to rent the movie and don't want to know anything then perhaps you should stop reading about here.
The opening of the film was really tough. You have a father of the tribe who witnesses a group of people that look like they are running away from evil...fear all over their faces. Does he do anything like evacuate the area or try and get people out of harms way? No he doesn't and that really stuck out to me. I am not saying the choice to do what he opted not to do is the wrong "movie" choice as it of course had to be that way for the movie to keep going. However it also relates to real life and my sig at the bottom for people that opt not to do anything...they would rather just eventually get eaten by the animal in the corner than actually deal with the problem/animal. And you know from my postings here how I translate that to a lot of things in the political arena. I thought Mel was trying to show us some of that.
We get a very nice 10-15 minute segment where we get to know the Mayan tribe a little bit. I was not super connected to the characters but I cared enough to not want to watch what happened next. And that is where the over the top sadism is put on film. TO watch this perfectly nice group of people slaughtered, raped, and brutalized by a group of savages...again I saw the connection to why you want to not allow modern day savages to be in control. And unfortunately the United States allows a lot of it to happen in Africa but I will stop with that line of thought for the moment.
The rather hefty character who could not get his wife pregnant, I felt he was one of the strongest characters in the film. I felt what he saiud when he was basically crying while being tied to a pole and could not help his wife who was being carried off to be raped by the savages. He said how sad the situation was and I tended to agree...in fact I thought about shutting the movie off about 40 minutes into it as I knew there was going to be no way out for most of these characters minus Jaguar Paw, who I haven't really even mentioned yet.
The scene at the Mayan temple with the human sacrifices...amazing costumes and cinematography, I felt like I was actually there. Now the way Jaguar Paw gets out of that situation is completely unreal but then again when you get to the end of this film most of it is over the top and you need some suspension of disbelief.
We get about 30-40 minutes of a good ole fashion chase scene through the forest. Some will love that part, some could get a little bored...my wife was on the edge of her seat and in fact liked this movie a lot.
I think Gibson is a great storyteller and he can really mkae a film but he absolutely needs to tone it down a bit in the gore department. You want to have a junglecat eat the flesh off someone's face, fine...but how bout using a camera angle that isn't at the same distance one would see on a Discovery open heart surgery special...seriously, it's just gross. Now the savage/guy who basically terrorizes the village the most and you almost want to see something awful happen to him...like being chained to a pillar and beaten with cat o nines and whipped into a bloody mess, then marched around with a 300 lb cross, and eventually nailed into the sucker and hung upside down over a cliff and dropped...that would have been a befitting ending to this turds life but instead Mel gives us this cute little blood spurting out of the side of his head. You see this was a situation where Mel could have and should have given us the full on brunt gore that he craves to put on the screen...this was the time to have something so bad happen that people are talking about it...it was kind of a letdown how he was killed but then again you could have killed this SOB 100 times 100 different ways and would not make up for all the pain and agony he caused. Which brings us to the end of the film and some final thoughts.
In the end you are left feeling pretty hollow. I mean there is no saving the majority of the village so it really is a sad movie. Mel lets us see the arrival of the Spaniards but that doesn't really make me feel better that the Mayan temple will be taken down and those people will be destroyed. People siffered because they were slow to react. The father figure should have taken action but opted not to and it destroyed him and the village...and I think that is what I take away from it th most. Same thing happened with Jesus...the apostles all run and hide rather than stand up and make the conflict happen in the Garden of Gathemene(I know its spelled wrong)...you think I'm joking but its a ringing theme that people in this country should take notice. The notion that countries like Iran should be able to have nuclear weapons, or that the United States is the real enemy, or that George Bush is as bad as Saddam Hussein...I just can't follow that logic, and I don't have to. People need to wake up and take all necesary precautions to ensure that things like what is shown in Gibson's film do not happen here. And to laugh it off is to go against most of written history. All empires tend to come to an end sooner or later...I truly believe we live in the United States Empire right now. Most empires tend to fall apart when people develop empathy not just for other countries but towards their own. Do you see a split in this country over what we do? Has it been that way for awhile now? Just some questions I would raise.
I would encourage folks to see the movie.
mr. furley
Footballguy
this is pretty wild
mr. furley
Footballguy
