Archuleta Signs with the Redskins (2 Viewers)

[avoiding injuries]

I think a better goal would be figuring out what year the Skins will make the playoffs...

 

[BlueOnion]

When are all these signing bonuses gonna kill us? It doesn't have to be an exact day. Just someone give me a year so I can know when to really be worried. Oh, and please back up your prediction with cap hits for each player and what the cap will be for that year, if you could. TIA

I think a better goal would be figuring out what year the Skins will make the playoffs...

Well they did make the playoffs last year and I thought they had a fairly good team; so the stakes got a little higher for the Skins this year.For perspective, lets look at the Eagles team and the Redskins team.

Lets assume both teams are currently equal in talent, what resources do both teams have left to improve?

The Eagles have about 15 million in available cap space, the Redskins really don't have much.

The Eagles can also tap into their future salary cap allocations (with pro-rated signing bonuses), the Redskins have already used up most of their future allocations.

So maybe the Redskins are slightly ahead of the Eagles right now in terms of talent (debatable), but the Eagles have significantly more room to improve while the Redskins have put on a noose around their neck, that will only tighten as they win more games.

 

[Sidewinder16]

When are all these signing bonuses gonna kill us? It doesn't have to be an exact day. Just someone give me a year so I can know when to really be worried. Oh, and please back up your prediction with cap hits for each player and what the cap will be for that year, if you could. TIA

I think a better goal would be figuring out what year the Skins will make the playoffs...

2005 down?

 

[Sidewinder16]

The Eagles have about 15 million in available cap space, the Redskins really don't have much.

Redskins Notes: The Redskins have begun converting about $13.5 million in total roster bonuses due to players in 2006 into signing bonuses, which will clear about $10 million in total cap space. Linebacker Marcus Washington, for instance, agreed to convert $3.4 million in roster bonuses and base salary into a signing bonus, which is then prorated to save the team $2.5 million in cap space this year, according to a source with knowledge of the situation

Link

 

[Jason Wood]

The Eagles have about 15 million in available cap space, the Redskins really don't have much.

Redskins Notes: The Redskins have begun converting about $13.5 million in total roster bonuses due to players in 2006 into signing bonuses, which will clear about $10 million in total cap space. Linebacker Marcus Washington, for instance, agreed to convert $3.4 million in roster bonuses and base salary into a signing bonus, which is then prorated to save the team $2.5 million in cap space this year, according to a source with knowledge of the situation

Link

BlueOnion was referring to REMAINING cap space. The Skins used up most of the space they created with the signings of Archuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El, etc...whereas the Eagles still have about $15mm or so after signing Howard and Schobel.

 

[BlueOnion]

The Eagles have about 15 million in available cap space, the Redskins really don't have much.

Redskins Notes: The Redskins have begun converting about $13.5 million in total roster bonuses due to players in 2006 into signing bonuses, which will clear about $10 million in total cap space. Linebacker Marcus Washington, for instance, agreed to convert $3.4 million in roster bonuses and base salary into a signing bonus, which is then prorated to save the team $2.5 million in cap space this year, according to a source with knowledge of the situation

Link

BlueOnion was referring to REMAINING cap space. The Skins used up most of the space they created with the signings of Archuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El, etc...whereas the Eagles still have about $15mm or so after signing Howard and Schobel.

Thanks Jason, I guess I was a little ambigious about how much each team had\has and at what period of time.

 

[Sidewinder16]

BlueOnion was referring to REMAINING cap space. The Skins used up most of the space they created with the signings of Archuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El, etc...whereas the Eagles still have about $15mm or so after signing Howard and Schobel.

The Eagles have more right this second. How does that matter if they'll have roughly the same amount in a few days or weeks? The Skins have made almost all their major acquisitions this offseason (one more may be forthcoming) and they'll still have 10+ mill once these contract conversions come through. I'm not seeing the problem.

 

[BlueOnion]

The Eagles have more right this second.

How does that matter if they'll have roughly the same amount in a few days or weeks? The Skins have made almost all their major acquisitions this offseason (one more may be forthcoming) and they'll still have 10+ mill once these contract conversions come through. I'm not seeing the problem.

Most of this is speculation on both of our parts, as neither of us are privy to the actual salary cap accounting information. However, I will say this. If the Daniel Snyder formula is to build a winner by hording free agent talents with big up front bonuses, long term contracts to prorate the signing bonuses and back loaded annual salaries, then why aren't other owners doing it?Surely money is no object to Jerry Jones and the Snyder methodology would certainly be an option for the Cowboys as well. I suspect Jerry Jones is aware of the limitations of the Snyder methodology because of his experience in the early days of the NFL salary cap when the Cowboys were winning championships. The only difference I see between Jones and Snyder is Jones has significant amount of experience in dealing with the NFL salary cap, building a winner and retaining a winning roster; Snyder and his team have no experience with this as of yet.

So I have added doubt that the Snyder methodology will work given that Jones (and the Cowboys) have about the same resources as the Redskins yet they are currently trying to replicate the Eagles and Patriots methodology; not the Snyder methodology.

 

[fatness]

On the other hand the Redskins were clearly on the rise in terms of team ability and the standings last year, while neither Dallas nor Philadephia was.

The Redskins used to spend a lot of money on players with names who would not help their team. They've gotten better at deciding what players will help them now, and have spent more wisely lately. The results were seen in the difference in level of play and team cohesion between 2004 and 2005.

It's not necessarily the business model other teams have, due to the amount of cash that is spent upfront, and due also to the "we always do things this way; that way is crazy" reluctance of some owners and GM's to do anything differently.

The Redskins problem has always been bad player selection, not "cap hell", which never comes. We'll be having the same "cap hell" conversations next year.

What they're doing appears to be working, finally. Maybe the earth isn't flat.

And I'm not sure what position Cap Space plays on the field.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Most of this is speculation on both of our parts, as neither of us are privy to the actual salary cap accounting information.

I agree. Which is why I think all this doom and gloom talk about the Skins cap future is ridiculous.In 2000 it was something to consider and speculate about. 6 years later it's still confounding people for some reason. If someone doesn't like Snyder and/or the Skins, that's fine. But the "cap hell"/"buying a championship"/"mortgaging their future" mantra is old. Really, really, really, really, really, really old.

However, I will say this. If the Daniel Snyder formula is to build a winner by hording free agent talents with big up front bonuses, long term contracts to prorate the signing bonuses and back loaded annual salaries, then why aren't other owners doing it?

Surely money is no object to Jerry Jones and the Snyder methodology would certainly be an option for the Cowboys as well.

Jerry wants to do things Jerry's way. Not Snyder's way.Likewise, Snyder wants to do thing Snyder's way. Not DeBartolo's way.

 

[BlueOnion]

Likewise, Snyder wants to do thing Snyder's way. Not DeBartolo's way.

But Snyder is doing the same exact thing as what DeBartolo did and what Jones did.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Likewise, Snyder wants to do thing Snyder's way. Not DeBartolo's way.

But Snyder is doing the same exact thing as what DeBartolo did and what Jones did.

If you can prove that to me with specific contract numbers, I might believe it.I thought we just conceded that neither of us were privy to actual salary cap accounting info. You're still making the assumption that Snyder is blindly following a cap management script that has been proven to fail.

Remember this:

...underestimating Snyder would be a mistake.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm an Eagles fan, I loathe the Redskins, and I can't figure out how they're coming up with the cap room to sign these guys. BUT, they are finding the way and it would be disingenuous to not take my hat off to the upgrades they've made thus far.

 

[fatness]

But Snyder is doing the same exact thing as what DeBartolo did and what Jones did.

I know absolutely nothing abou DeBartolo and how they handled contracts, so I'm unable to answer. I do know a decent amount about the Redskins' current situation. I don't see any train wreck coming.

 

[fatness]

I'm an Eagles fan, I loathe the Redskins, and I can't figure out how they're coming up with the cap room to sign these guys. BUT, they are finding the way and it would be disingenuous to not take my hat off to the upgrades they've made thus far.

Thanks. The Eagles have made the Redskins look silly for a lot of year as far as team management goes, so they deserve credit for that as well. I'm just grateful that the Redskins finally, after so many years of torturing us fans with inept performances on and off the field, are finally a decent team again. And I'm even more grateful that it looks like that will continue.I hate the Eagles too, almost as much as I hate the Cowboys, but that's just within the context of the NFC East battles. I'd rather see an NFC East team win the Super Bowl every year, even if it's one I hate.

 

[redman]

On the other hand the Redskins were clearly on the rise in terms of team ability and the standings last year, while neither Dallas nor Philadephia was.

The Redskins used to spend a lot of money on players with names who would not help their team. They've gotten better at deciding what players will help them now, and have spent more wisely lately. The results were seen in the difference in level of play and team cohesion between 2004 and 2005.

It's not necessarily the business model other teams have, due to the amount of cash that is spent upfront, and due also to the "we always do things this way; that way is crazy" reluctance of some owners and GM's to do anything differently.

The Redskins problem has always been bad player selection, not "cap hell", which never comes. We'll be having the same "cap hell" conversations next year.

What they're doing appears to be working, finally. Maybe the earth isn't flat.

And I'm not sure what position Cap Space plays on the field.

Blue Onion's Eagles-'Skins comparison which preceded the above post ignores a key point - the Eagles' talent is older and in their prime. The talent that the 'Skins have added, with the sole exception being role players like TE Fauria, is all in its mid-20's and either still developing or just entering their primes. This is particularly true on the 'Skins offense.

Without checking on ages, the only other unit in the division that can boast that amount of youth and untapped potential is the Cowboys defense.

 

[BlueOnion]

Likewise, Snyder wants to do thing Snyder's way.  Not DeBartolo's way.

But Snyder is doing the same exact thing as what DeBartolo did and what Jones did.

If you can prove that to me with specific contract numbers, I might believe it.I thought we just conceded that neither of us were privy to actual salary cap accounting info. You're still making the assumption that Snyder is blindly following a cap management script that has been proven to fail.

Remember this:

...underestimating Snyder would be a mistake.

Carmen Policy did the same thing with the 49ers, big signing bonuses, small annual salaries and backloaded annual years. They also redid contracts ever year; Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Steve Young and boatload of other players. Everything being said about the Redskins today is the same thing people said about the 49ers back then, "What the hell is the point of having a cap if the 49ers are still going to sign everybody?"But there are some critical difference between the 49ers and the current Redskins.

1) The 49ers were champions before the salary cap came into effect, so most of their struggles were not building a championship team, but maintaining it.

2) They also had a championship team, so for every lucrative Jerry Rice contract there was also a league minimum annaul contract for the likes of Pro-Bowler Gary Plummer who just wanted to win a championship.

But once the run was over, Carmen Policy attempted the same methodology in San Francisco and in Cleveland to build a franchise. Both times the team was always at the bottom of the league in wins or in the middle; however they were always at the salary cap ceiling and had most of their signing bonuses unamortorized.

edited to add - Carmen Policy was widely regarded as a capologist genius for what he did in the early\mid 90s with the 49ers (doing what Snyder is doing today). However, the track record shows that Policy was probably one of the worst when it came to managing the cap.

 

[BlueOnion]

Blue Onion's Eagles-'Skins comparison which preceded the above post ignores a key point - the Eagles' talent is older and in their prime. The talent that the 'Skins have added, with the sole exception being role players like TE Fauria, is all in its mid-20's and either still developing or just entering their primes. This is particularly true on the 'Skins offense.

Without checking on ages, the only other unit in the division that can boast that amount of youth and untapped potential is the Cowboys defense.

I think the bolded part above would be hard to prove considering the Eagles never sign players in or approaching their 30s. See John Runyan, Bobby Taylor, Duce Staley, T.O. endings.

 

[redman]

Blue Onion's Eagles-'Skins comparison which preceded the above post ignores a key point - the Eagles' talent is older and in their prime.  The talent that the 'Skins have added, with the sole exception being role players like TE Fauria, is all in its mid-20's and either still developing or just entering their primes.  This is particularly true on the 'Skins offense.

Without checking on ages, the only other unit in the division that can boast that amount of youth and untapped potential is the Cowboys defense.

I think the bolded part above would be hard to prove considering the Eagles never sign players in or approaching their 30s. See John Runyan, Bobby Taylor, Duce Staley, T.O. endings.

I'm talking about where the teams are right now, because the discussion was about the competition next year and whether the 'Skins had pulled even with the Eagles' level of talent, and what the future holds for both of them. BTW, TO was signed by Philly 2 years ago after he'd turned 30.

 

[AB in DC]

For perspective, lets look at the Eagles team and the Redskins team.

Lets assume both teams are currently equal in talent, what resources do both teams have left to improve?

The Eagles have about 15 million in available cap space, the Redskins really don't have much.

The Eagles can also tap into their future salary cap allocations (with pro-rated signing bonuses), the Redskins have already used up most of their future allocations.

The problem with the Eagles is that they haven't done any of those things.You and I have had this same debate in the past, but I just can't hold up the Eagles as an example of good cap management. I still contend that their window was 2002-2004, during which time they underspent their cap by $5-10 million per year. They lost two NFC champion#### games and one Super Bowl. But if they had signed just one or two more pieces to the puzzle with their cap room, they would probably have one at least one Super Bowl, possibly two.

Now their defense is a shell of their former self and they've lost a lot of depth on their offense, and they'll need a ton of luck to get back to where now that the division is a lot stronger.

 

[AB in DC]

BlueOnion was referring to REMAINING cap space. The Skins used up most of the space they created with the signings of Archuleta, Carter, Lloyd, Randle El, etc...whereas the Eagles still have about $15mm or so after signing Howard and Schobel.

The Eagles have more right this second. How does that matter if they'll have roughly the same amount in a few days or weeks?

Exactly -- you can't compare the cap space of a team with five major signings in the past week to a team with just one so far.

 

[dgreen]

6 yrs, $30M with $10M guaranteed

Not a lot of money it would appear. Here is how I assume the money will break down;Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

Redskin Salary Cap Hit \\ Penality for releasing Archie prior to said year

Year 1 - 3.76 \\ 10.00 (1.66 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 4.26 \\ 8.30 (1.66 million signing bonus and 2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 4.76 \\ 6.64 (1.66 million signing bonus and 3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 5.26 \\ 4.98 (1.66 million signing bonus and 3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 5.76 \\ 3.32 (1.66 million signing bonus and 4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 6.26 \\ 1.66 (1.66 million signing bonus and 4.6 annual salary)

The critical point I suspect will be after year 3, Archie will count 5.26 million against the Redskins Salary Cap (which is well over his value). If the Redskins opt to release Archie, they will take a 4.98 million salary cap penality going into 2009.

I suspect they did the same type of contracts for each player they signed.

Here are the base salaries:2006 585000.00

2007 595000.00

2008 1000000.00

2009 4000000.00

2010 5000000.00

2011 6000000.00

2012 5000000.00

And, from the Washington Post:

Archuleta's contract, for example, includes a $5 million signing bonus with $1 million in option bonuses each year for five years, according to a source, allowing for a manageable cap number.

 

[BlueOnion]

6 yrs, $30M with $10M guaranteed

Not a lot of money it would appear. Here is how I assume the money will break down;Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

Redskin Salary Cap Hit \\ Penality for releasing Archie prior to said year

Year 1 - 3.76 \\ 10.00 (1.66 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 4.26 \\ 8.30 (1.66 million signing bonus and 2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 4.76 \\ 6.64 (1.66 million signing bonus and 3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 5.26 \\ 4.98 (1.66 million signing bonus and 3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 5.76 \\ 3.32 (1.66 million signing bonus and 4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 6.26 \\ 1.66 (1.66 million signing bonus and 4.6 annual salary)

The critical point I suspect will be after year 3, Archie will count 5.26 million against the Redskins Salary Cap (which is well over his value). If the Redskins opt to release Archie, they will take a 4.98 million salary cap penality going into 2009.

I suspect they did the same type of contracts for each player they signed.

Here are the base salaries:2006 585000.00

2007 595000.00

2008 1000000.00

2009 4000000.00

2010 5000000.00

2011 6000000.00

2012 5000000.00

And, from the Washington Post:

Archuleta's contract, for example, includes a $5 million signing bonus with $1 million in option bonuses each year for five years, according to a source, allowing for a manageable cap number.

This make sense, so it is basically a 3-year deal. After which Archuleta has developed into a critical piece of the Redskins success and will have a lot of demand in the free market, or the Redskins continue to be average and Arhuleta redoes his contract.

 

[dgreen]

This make sense, so it is basically a 3-year deal. After which Archuleta has developed into a critical piece of the Redskins success and will have a lot of demand in the free market, or the Redskins continue to be average and Arhuleta redoes his contract.

Either way, it probably won't be too much of a strain on their 2009 cap.

 

[BlueOnion]

This make sense, so it is basically a 3-year deal.  After which Archuleta has developed into a critical piece of the Redskins success and will have a lot of demand in the free market, or the Redskins continue to be average and Arhuleta redoes his contract.

Either way, it probably won't be too much of a strain on their 2009 cap.

The 6-year, 30 million dollar contract is more of a hyperbole. It looks more like a 3-year deal for 9 million dollars, of which only 5 million is guaranteed.Must not have been a lot of demand for Archuleta on the open market.

 

[dgreen]

This make sense, so it is basically a 3-year deal. After which Archuleta has developed into a critical piece of the Redskins success and will have a lot of demand in the free market, or the Redskins continue to be average and Arhuleta redoes his contract.

Either way, it probably won't be too much of a strain on their 2009 cap.

The 6-year, 30 million dollar contract is more of a hyperbole. It looks more like a 3-year deal for 9 million dollars, of which only 5 million is guaranteed.Must not have been a lot of demand for Archuleta on the open market.

Chicago's the only other team I've heard about that really wanted him.

 

[BlueOnion]

This make sense, so it is basically a 3-year deal.  After which Archuleta has developed into a critical piece of the Redskins success and will have a lot of demand in the free market, or the Redskins continue to be average and Arhuleta redoes his contract.

Either way, it probably won't be too much of a strain on their 2009 cap.

The 6-year, 30 million dollar contract is more of a hyperbole. It looks more like a 3-year deal for 9 million dollars, of which only 5 million is guaranteed.Must not have been a lot of demand for Archuleta on the open market.

Chicago's the only other team I've heard about that really wanted him.

That would make sense. The word prior to free agency is that the guy is a pretty good athlete but is more known for blown coverages than interceptions.

 

[AB in DC]

Here are the base salaries:

2006 585000.00

2007 595000.00

2008 1000000.00

2009 4000000.00

2010 5000000.00

2011 6000000.00

2012 5000000.00

I thought it was only a six-year deal.

 

[Sidewinder16]

The 6-year, 30 million dollar contract is more of a hyperbole.

Large, long contracts almost always are.Randle El's and Carter's contracts were supposed to be similarly structured, IIRC.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Thanks jsargos.  So Archie can expect to take home maybe 8 or 9 million over the next 3 years and then be cut.

And Randle El and and Carter will most likely be released in two years.

No. In 2-3 years they will either renegotiate or be cut or be traded. All that will depend on their performance, the cap situation at the time, and the need for them relative to other players. Don't forget, the Redskins have kept a lot of veterans this year who renegotiated.

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years. That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years. This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins. if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil. Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete. Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

 

[BlueOnion]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years.

I didn't see this. Here is what I saw for 3 years:5 million bonus upfront

year 1 - 500K salary

year 2 - 500K salary + 1 million bonus if retained

year 2 - 1 mill salary + 1 million bonus if retained

That is about 9 million for the first three years, where are you getting 18 million in the first 3 years?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years. That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years. This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins. if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil. Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete. Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

Salary for 3 years ~ 3.2 mil

Signing bonus = 5 mil

Option bonuses for 3 years = 3 mil

11mil/3 years = roughly 3.7mil/season

 

[Liquid Tension]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years.  That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years.  This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins.  if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil.  Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete.  Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

Salary for 3 years ~ 3.2 mil

Signing bonus = 5 mil

Option bonuses for 3 years = 3 mil

11mil/3 years = roughly 3.7mil/season

Blue Onion Posted the following:Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

In looking at his post again I noticed he said this was his assumption, so my mistake. I took this as what the contract was.

 

[BlueOnion]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years.  That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years.  This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins.  if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil.  Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete.  Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

Salary for 3 years ~ 3.2 mil

Signing bonus = 5 mil

Option bonuses for 3 years = 3 mil

11mil/3 years = roughly 3.7mil/season

Blue Onion Posted the following:Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

In looking at his post again I noticed he said this was his assumption, so my mistake. I took this as what the contract was.

Yeah, it was speculation on my part as I tried to figure out what the cap number would actually be.Sorry about the confussion.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years.  That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years.  This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins.  if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil.  Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete.  Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

Salary for 3 years ~ 3.2 mil

Signing bonus = 5 mil

Option bonuses for 3 years = 3 mil

11mil/3 years = roughly 3.7mil/season

Blue Onion Posted the following:Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

In looking at his post again I noticed he said this was his assumption, so my mistake. I took this as what the contract was.

Yeah, it was speculation on my part as I tried to figure out what the cap number would actually be.Sorry about the confussion.

Not your fault, I didn't read it thoroughly...no offense Blue Onion

 

[DCThunder]

Any way you look at it the guy is going to get 18 mil if he stays for 3 years.  That makes 6 mil a year for those 3 years.  This contract is NOT hyperbole it is just bad for the Skins.  if he stays a 4th year it costs them less than 4 mil.  Contracts like this hurt a teams ability to compete.  Think about when they actually have to pay for a real QB?

Salary for 3 years ~ 3.2 mil

Signing bonus = 5 mil

Option bonuses for 3 years = 3 mil

11mil/3 years = roughly 3.7mil/season

Blue Onion Posted the following:Money Archie gets

Year 1 - 12.1 (10 million signing bonus and 2.1 annual salary)

Year 2 - 2.6 (2.6 annual salary)

Year 3 - 3.1 (3.1 annual salary)

Year 4 - 3.6 (3.6 annual salary)

Year 5 - 4.1 (4.1 annual salary)

Year 6 - 4.6 (4.6 annual salary)

In looking at his post again I noticed he said this was his assumption, so my mistake. I took this as what the contract was.

Yeah, it was speculation on my part as I tried to figure out what the cap number would actually be.Sorry about the confussion.

Not your fault, I didn't read it thoroughly...no offense Blue Onion

Numbers aside, how does this contract "hurt the team's ability to compete"? And how many touchdowns did all that unused cap room score for the Eagles last season?

 

[FBGPoker]

By far worst signing of the offseason.

 

[AB in DC]

Thanks so much for your constructive contribution to this thread, Poker.