Are Brady's excuses gone? (1 Viewer)

[switz]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.

If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on?

That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

 

[cstu]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.

If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on?

That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

Anyway, I thought the line was "Brady only cares about championships"?

 

[bostonfred]

I was thinking the same thing. This could be a very exciting season. I don't think any of the players on the team are hall of fame talents like Harrison, and I don't think that a bunch of players in the first year of the Patriot offense are going to put up 49 TDs, but I think Brady could make a huge statistical leap this year.

 

[massraider]

Wow. "Premeir talents".

SOunds like they got a couple of bargains then.

 

[msommer]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

 

[VaCatFan]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on? That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

Colts fan here. I'm not sure what Brady has to make excuses for. He wins games and has a couple Superbowl rings. He's a very good QB who has worked with very inferior talent at WR. I think his numbers go up, but I still see no reason for excuses. He is what he is.

 

[FUBAR]

Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position.

This is the first time since the draftthat either have been labeledpremier

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The funny thing is that Welker may end up being the most targeted of the three free agent signings - look at Troy Brown's catch totals in 2001 and 2002 and you'll know what I mean.

I see Welker as a very similar player, so it makes sense that he would play a similar role.

 

[switz]

Wow. "Premeir talents".SOunds like they got a couple of bargains then.

Stallworth was indeed a bargain, at the 1-year deal. If they keep him longer, it'll be pricey.Washington, I don't know the terms of the deal, but he is every bit as good, if not better than Reggie Wayne. All you Colts fans can hate me if you want, but it's true.Pats still don't have a Harrison, but few teams have a WR with the hands Harrison has. But Stallworth is a top talent WR in this league, injuries are the only thing that hold him back.

 

[Franknbeans]

indubitably

 

[Pat Patriot]

I've never heard Brady make an excuse.

 

[David Yudkin]

LOL at the premiere WR the Pats signed. One 800 yard receiving season in the 11 combined seasons between them. In 4 seasons, Washington has a TOTAL of only 893 receiving yards.

 

[NEUPJ]

I don't think I have heard him make an excuse. I wouldn't say any of these WR are "elite" either. They are a major upgrade from last year though.

 

[massraider]

If the Pats win the Super Bowl next year, but Manning has better stats, will you bump this to prove the Brady fans wrong?

 

[Rabbid Patriot Homer]

Very little in this thread makes any sense at all.

 

[KTM]

This is almost as funny as your Onterrio Smith shtick. Almost.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

 

[Winston Wolfe]

The Patriots are spending money on wide receivers almost as fast as Carlton does on large mammaried strippers.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wow. "Premeir talents".

SOunds like they got a couple of bargains then.

Stallworth was indeed a bargain, at the 1-year deal. If they keep him longer, it'll be pricey.Washington, I don't know the terms of the deal, but he is every bit as good, if not better than Reggie Wayne. All you Colts fans can hate me if you want, but it's true.

Pats still don't have a Harrison, but few teams have a WR with the hands Harrison has. But Stallworth is a top talent WR in this league, injuries are the only thing that hold him back.

Switz,Is this schtick? I don't want to get into a lenghty debate but Washington did barely anything last season when TJ Housh and Henry were out for extended periods of time...and that is a high octane offense in Cinci that throws the ball all the time...how is Washington going to post amazing numbers in NE? Stallworth either for that matter.

Stallworth...800 yds 5-6TD

Washington 500-750 yds 3-4TD

Wes Welker($38 MILLION) 600-800 yds 4-5TD

The Patriots have a formula. It works. I point to 3 Lombardi Trophys as proof. They do not need flashy WR. They will not have flashy WR. They don't have flashy WR on their roster presently.

I understand others feel differently but I think Caldwell is gone. He underperformed most of the season...was not great in the playoffs and the Pats have now signed 3 WR to bring in for next season...all of them better than Caldwell...Washington could be iffy but they must like him to sign him.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

 

[EBF]

I don't think the WR4 on the Bengals qualifies as a "premier talent."

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

There is only one guy that his driven his team to a game winning TD in the SB in the last 2 minutes. That is Joe Montana.If you want to continue with your ridiculous premise, if the godly AV hadnt missed 2 chip shots early in SB 38, the TD drive to put the Pats up 29-22 would have clinched the game.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

There is only one guy that his driven his team to a game winning TD in the SB in the last 2 minutes. That is Joe Montana.If you want to continue with your ridiculous premise, if the godly AV hadnt missed 2 chip shots early in SB 38, the TD drive to put the Pats up 29-22 would have clinched the game.

Ok, that's none for the SB, how many in the playoffs?

 

[Boston]

If Brady has better stats than Manning that means the Pats D had a bad year. With the addition of Thomas and the return of some injured players as well as some draft picks I just don't see that being the case.

 

[Two Deep]

Wow. "Premeir talents".SOunds like they got a couple of bargains then.

Stallworth was indeed a bargain, at the 1-year deal. If they keep him longer, it'll be pricey.Washington, I don't know the terms of the deal, but he is every bit as good, if not better than Reggie Wayne. All you Colts fans can hate me if you want, but it's true.Pats still don't have a Harrison, but few teams have a WR with the hands Harrison has. But Stallworth is a top talent WR in this league, injuries are the only thing that hold him back.

I haven't read through all of the replys so sorry if this is a duplicate. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING? I've read some crazy #### but your first to posts take the cake.

 

[jurb26]

Priceless thread.

 

[FUBAR]

Washington, I don't know the terms of the deal, but he is every bit as good, if not better than Reggie Wayne. All you Colts fans can hate me if you want, but it's true.

My stick's bigger than your schtick.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Where do you guys see all of this leaving Watson and his stats for the year?

 

[Workhorse]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

There is only one guy that his driven his team to a game winning TD in the SB in the last 2 minutes. That is Joe Montana.If you want to continue with your ridiculous premise, if the godly AV hadnt missed 2 chip shots early in SB 38, the TD drive to put the Pats up 29-22 would have clinched the game.

Ok, that's none for the SB, how many in the playoffs?

How many times in the playoffs has Brady NEEDED to get a last two minute TD to win the game? Last time I checked, this year's AFCC was the only time in his playoff career that he ever had the opportunity to do that.

 

[JBTV]

I always thought Brady's numbers were more tied to the system they run than the WR's. This is a bad argument anyways because the only way you could answer it is to have the QB's change situations (WR's, O-Line, Coach's philosophy).

Also, why are Indy fans still so bitter? Not just this thread, but I still always see them sniping at Brady, etc. You won the SB, lighten up and enjoy it.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

There is only one guy that his driven his team to a game winning TD in the SB in the last 2 minutes. That is Joe Montana.If you want to continue with your ridiculous premise, if the godly AV hadnt missed 2 chip shots early in SB 38, the TD drive to put the Pats up 29-22 would have clinched the game.

Ok, that's none for the SB, how many in the playoffs?

It was never required. Brady either had his club so far ahead inside 2 minutes that the point was moot or it was a tie game and all his team needed was a FG to win.In each game where a FG was required to win, he put his team in great position for the win. AV never had to kick anything 50 yards or over or over 40 yards outside.

 

[phthalatemagic]

what a thread....

 

[dparker713]

I always thought Brady's numbers were more tied to the system they run than the WR's. This is a bad argument anyways because the only way you could answer it is to have the QB's change situations (WR's, O-Line, Coach's philosophy).Also, why are Indy fans still so bitter? Not just this thread, but I still always see them sniping at Brady, etc. You won the SB, lighten up and enjoy it.

I think some people are just tired of the diety status some people like to give Brady, and the genius label for Bill.

 

[Donnybrook]

The odds are pretty good that New England may draft another WR as well. Kiper believes that 7 WRs will be drafted in the first round and NE has two first rounders.

 

[jurb26]

I always thought Brady's numbers were more tied to the system they run than the WR's. This is a bad argument anyways because the only way you could answer it is to have the QB's change situations (WR's, O-Line, Coach's philosophy).Also, why are Indy fans still so bitter? Not just this thread, but I still always see them sniping at Brady, etc. You won the SB, lighten up and enjoy it.

I think some people are just tired of the diety status some people like to give Brady, and the genius label for Bill.

Trying to degrade their accomplishments is not a very solid way of going about changing that. It will only make those who appreciate BB and Brady feel the need to defend them more.

 

[bostonfred]

Where do you guys see all of this leaving Watson and his stats for the year?

I'd say 35 receptions for 500 yards and 6 TDs sounds right. His yards per catch was down last year but his receptions were up because he was forced to be a bigger part of the offense. This year I'd expect him to be closer to his 2005 numbers of 29/441/4, but a little better and with more red zone looks with the loss of Graham.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Trying to degrade their accomplishments is not a very solid way of going about changing that. It will only make those who appreciate BB and Brady feel the need to defend them more.

Defend them more? We are already in the realm of insanity to where questioning Stallworth's value prompts a response like this.Where else is there to go? The Patriots aren't allowed to be questioned anymore.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I live around Philly so have no problem with Philly fans questioning the Stallworth signing. Philly fans think that Hank Baskett and Jason Avant are as good as Stallworth. Good luck to them with that.

 

[Da Guru]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on? That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

If Washington is premier..they stole him for a 300K bonus.

 

[Kleck]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning."

I know lots of Brady fans, and I don't think I've heard this as an excuse. I don't think they've had to make excuses because he wins most of the time. Who's making excuses? Is this a generality that would be better directed at a few specific people instead of blanketing all fans of Tom Brady?Also, your thread topic title implies that Brady is the one making excuses. I don't think I've ever heard that either.

Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position.

I disagree with your definition of premier, but that's just semantics. By your definition, how many "premier" WRs are there in the NFL?

 

[DropKick]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on? That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone (never mind a Patriot fan) make a statement like you suggest. Winning football games is not about your QB being a stat wh0re.There have been no complaints about the Pat's receiving core until this season. Branch and Givens got a good deal of respect, and people even talk of retiring Troy Brown's number for his long contributions and unselfish play on offense, special teams AND defense. Not to mention the contributions of the David Pattens and others like him.This season, with the well documented losses of talented players familiar with the system and the inability of a Chad jackson to stay healthy, its is fairly obvious the WR position was subpar.But Stallworth and Washington are NOT premier talent. Maybe Stallworth had the hype but performance and injuries have said otherwise. Washington... I don't know that he has been the same since the neck injury. Few would crack the talent at the WR position in Cincy anyway.I actually think Welker will prove to be their big WR pickup.

 

[MelKiperJr]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning." Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position. This is in addition to having Gaffney and Caldwell, no slouches at all.If Brady doesn't have better stats than Manning this season, who will the blame be put on? That is assuming Stallworth stays healthy, which is a known issue.

Dumbest thread EVER

 

[Mister CIA]

Chad Jackson's value is going through the roof .... Too bad it began 100 feet above the roof.

 

[SteelerMurf]

Premier talent yep, sure whatever

 

[Jous]

Why is this topic called "Are Brady's excuses gone"???????? When did he ever need excuses? The man already established himself as either the #1 or #2 QB in the league several years ago. So what would he need excuses for? For not putting up the biggest numbers in the NFL? I don't think that really matters...and besides, it's not like Brady puts up average stats each year. Every season, he puts up very gaudy and impressive statistics, they're just not the best statistics in the league.

Anyway, there's still no way you can say Brady's WR group is as good as Manning's now. There's no possible way you can convince me that Stallworth + Welker + Watson is as good as Harrison + Wayne + Clark. Notice I didn't even mention Washington and Caldwell...and that's because they're both very mediocre players.

 

[brednbuddah]

Why are Pats fans so defensive? You guys have the hardware and a future HOF coach and QB. yet, when they read a post contrary to their opinion they go ballistic. Are you guys still stinging from the AFC Championship game? Let it go... you still have a good team.

 

[djcolts]

Brady fans have always said "If only he had Manning's WRs, he'd have better stats than Manning."

I know lots of Brady fans, and I don't think I've heard this as an excuse. I don't think they've had to make excuses because he wins most of the time. Who's making excuses? Is this a generality that would be better directed at a few specific people instead of blanketing in all fans of Tom Brady?Also, your thread topic title implies that Brady is the one making excuses. I don't think I've ever heard that either.

Well now the Pats have signed Stallworth and Washington, both premier talents at the receiver position.

I disagree with your definition of premier, but that's just semantics. By your definition, how many "premier" WRs are there in the NFL?

I hate getting involved in a thread like this, but ESPN.com had a "columnist" wonder a week or two ago if Brady or Manning would have been traded for each other, would Brady have won the Super Bowl with the Colts' WRs, and how would Manning have done with the Pats' WRs. So, it has been "discussed" in the national press (though I thought it was a lame column).

 

[DropKick]

Why are Pats fans so defensive? You guys have the hardware and a future HOF coach and QB. yet, when they read a post contrary to their opinion they go ballistic. Are you guys still stinging from the AFC Championship game? Let it go... you still have a good team.

Its a forum intended for people to express opinions and counter opinions if necessary. I don't see people being "so defensive". They're just reacting (as one would expect) to a lame post.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Yeah, well, his excuses for WRs only gave him three rings...

Just curious, how many games has Brady had to drive the Pats to a TD instead of a AV field goal to win a big game? There may be one, but I just can't think of it at the moment.

Plenty. In Super Bowl 38 he led the Pats to 4 TD's and in SB 39 he led the Pats to 3 TD's. To think that a lousy kicker is more responsible for the Pats SB victories than Tom Brady is ridiculous.

I'm referring to a last two minute TD instead of an AV field goal to win a big game?

There is only one guy that his driven his team to a game winning TD in the SB in the last 2 minutes. That is Joe Montana.If you want to continue with your ridiculous premise, if the godly AV hadnt missed 2 chip shots early in SB 38, the TD drive to put the Pats up 29-22 would have clinched the game.

Ok, that's none for the SB, how many in the playoffs?

Sumthin eatin at ya there Johnny? Could it be the fact that the Colts finally win the big one and it is done in spite of Pay-Me-Tons rather than because of him? 3 td's and 7 Ints So tell us Johnny, what criteria do you use to rate QB's?We know it's not wins, right?TD to Int ratio? Well that just won't do this year...Whats that? You want to use game winning playoff drives but only those involving td passes and rushing tds by running backs.Well, when you look at it that way I see what you mean, yeah that Peyton he sure is sumthin Poetic justice