Maybe Davis should save himself the trouble and coach the team himself. Then he could fire himself as coach and GM, let the team coast on autopilot for two years, and then re-hire himself as Dictator-For-Life of the Raiders and move the team back to LA to piss off every last friend he has and earn 6-10 records until the end of time.
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
The problem is, he then won't get out ofthe way. Everyone saw that with Gruden, which is why Payton turned him down. NO ONE wants this job, esp any young up and comming coach worth anything.He has a good eye for getting young coaching talent.Jon Gruden anyone?Ha, Al is going to hire another coach
Sean Payton was his No.1 choice for 2006
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
Shell in 2006 wasn't a great move
zamboni
Footballguy
I doubt that's the case. Despite the tough environment, head coach openings don't happen all the time, and an up-and-comer may feel that another opportunity may not necessarily arise. If one is a hot commodity, that's different, of course.The problem is, he then won't get out ofthe way. Everyone saw that with Gruden, which is why Payton turned him down. NO ONE wants this job, esp any young up and comming coach worth anything.He has a good eye for getting young coaching talent.Jon Gruden anyone?Ha, Al is going to hire another coach
Sean Payton was his No.1 choice for 2006
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
Shell in 2006 wasn't a great move
Big Score
Footballguy
The problem is, he then won't get out ofthe way. Everyone saw that with Gruden, which is why Payton turned him down. NO ONE wants this job, esp any young up and comming coach worth anything.He has a good eye for getting young coaching talent.Jon Gruden anyone?Ha, Al is going to hire another coach
Sean Payton was his No.1 choice for 2006
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
Shell in 2006 wasn't a great move
I know Al Saunders was offered the job last year, but preferred a lateral move ~ vs ~ the Oakland HC job.Kind of tells you the chances of the Raiders getting a quality HC. Only those desperate will take it.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Any other situation, I'd agree. I mean, Wisnehunt, Saunders, and Payton all turned him down last year.zamboni said:I doubt that's the case. Despite the tough environment, head coach openings don't happen all the time, and an up-and-comer may feel that another opportunity may not necessarily arise. If one is a hot commodity, that's different, of course.Aaronstory said:The problem is, he then won't get out ofthe way. Everyone saw that with Gruden, which is why Payton turned him down. NO ONE wants this job, esp any young up and comming coach worth anything.John Maddens Lunchbox said:He has a good eye for getting young coaching talent.Jon Gruden anyone?RBM said:Ha, Al is going to hire another coach
Sean Payton was his No.1 choice for 2006
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
Shell in 2006 wasn't a great move
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
The raiders haven't won as much as 6 games since 2002...this would be a huge improvement.johnnyfb said:
My_Favorite_Team_is
Footballguy
While I think that Ryan should be next HC in OAK, I have a strange feeling that Jim Mora will wind up there or Denny GreenATC1 said:Who would want to coach there?JetsWillWin said:Which coaches do you think would be a downgrade from Art Shell?zamboni said:
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
My guess is Dennis Green ends up the HC in Oaktown and Art Shell moves to the front office to get ready to take control of the whole Raider organization as Al Davis will hand over the reins.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Jeremy Green said,(from a reliable source) there's something going down in Oakland tonight. He's on sports nation answering question......Art Shell might be gone today guy's!!
The names he is hearing to replace him are, Russ Grimm, Cam Cameron, Pat Hill, Rob Ryan, and Ron Rivera).
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The names he is hearing to replace him are, Russ Grimm, Cam Cameron, Pat Hill, Rob Ryan, and Ron Rivera).
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Yeah it's so very hard to find half naked girls on the internet. That must be his girlfriend.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Actually I always wonder why someone stuffed two punch balls into that poor woman's tube top whenever I see BK's current avatar.
RBM
Footballguy
Last 2 have been awfulThe whole search last year was mind-bogglingJohn Maddens Lunchbox said:He has a good eye for getting young coaching talent.Jon Gruden anyone?RBM said:Ha, Al is going to hire another coach
Sean Payton was his No.1 choice for 2006
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples.
Shell in 2006 wasn't a great move
LawFitz
Footballguy
Oh really? And how exactly do you know this?The only guy actually offered the job last offseason besides Shell was Petrino. He turned it down supposedly b/c he didn't want to move his family since his son was a senior in high school.Both Whisenhunt and Saunders were interviewed IN OAKLAND, but neither were offered the job. If either of these guys didn't want the job, why would they waste their time by going all the way out to Oakland to interview?The main problem with last offseason was that Al and Lombardi wanted Petrino all along and strung these other guys along. When Petrino finally declined their offer, these other candidates had already taken other jobs or recommitted to their current orgs. In the meantime, Shell's agent begged Al for an interview and Art sold him on bringing back the Raider way, which obviously is way outdated for today's NFL.Enough with the no one wants this job stuff. For every guy that doesn't, there will be someone out there that does.Big Score said:
falconeyed
Footballguy
I am so sick and tired of the whole "Commitment to Excellence" and the Raider Image and all that bull####. Long story short is that it doesn't win games and that's all anyone cares about. The Raider Image now includes a complete lack of discipline, "me me" attitude and ultimately pathetic play. Al, LEAVE!####!! Just leave, Al. Damnit, you're killing us. Let someone run the thing who has a ####### clue what they're doing.
Seriously. I hate this.
joey
Footballguy
But I bet you weren't complaining too much about Al killing the team when Gruden was coach afew years ago and the Raiders were winning the AFC West year after year and making theplayoffs every year. Al was running the team back then too, remember? The difference is that Gruden was a good coach and offensive coordinator and Shell is not.btw, I'm a Raider fan too, if that matters.
redman
Footballguy
What you are is a prisoner in for life who's complimenting his jailor on how good his gruel tastes. Slurp it up. Al loves you.
jeter23
Footballguy
It is now being reported on ESPNEWS that Shell is out.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720610
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Nickleback
Footballguy
falconeyed
Footballguy
And why did Gruden leave?
rockbottom895
Footballguy
Why do they do this so quick? Do not even give him a second chance? No one understands you Al Davis.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720610
Art Shell has been fired as head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the second time in 13 years.
After a daylong meeting between Shell and owner Al Davis on Thursday, Davis decided to go a different direction with his head coaching position. The Raiders finished 2-14 this season, and the offense scored only 12 touchdowns in 16 games.
The sides were expected to meet again Friday morning to determine whether Shell would return as head coach in 2007 season, but two hours after Thursday's meeting, the decision was made: Shell was out as head coach.
"Al Davis and Art Shell met today and discussed the 2006 football season" the Raiders said in a statement. "While Art will no longer serve as head coach, he and Mr. Davis have discussed and will continue to discuss opportunities for Art to remain a valued member of the Raider organization."
Shell is expected to meet with his staff Friday to inform them that he's done as the Raiders' coach.
Shell was hired as head coach in February when Davis admitted he made a mistake in firing him in 1994. Shell's record as the Raiders' head coach was 56-41 from 1989-94. In 1989, Shell was enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame after one of the most distinguished careers in Raiders history.
After Shell's firing in 1994, only one Raiders coach, Jon Gruden, had a winning tenure. Shell met with Davis last January, and Davis felt he needed to bring in a former Raider who believed in the team's tradition as head coach. Shell was given a two-year contract to turn the team around.
Shell and wide receiver Jerry Porter hit it off poorly during the offseason, and Porter barely played in 2006 even though he was healthy most of the season. Wide receiver Randy Moss complained about his frustrations about the Raiders' offense. By mid-season, Shell demoted offensive coordinator Tom Walsh, whom he hired from a dude ranch, and replaced him with John Shoop, the former Chicago Bears offensive coordinator who was coaching the tight ends.
Unfortunately for the Raiders, the offense didn't change. It still struggled to score points.
One possible candidate for the job might be on staff. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan turned around the defense, which started eight young players. Davis, however, likes to hire offensive head coaches, so it would go against Raiders tradition to hire a defensive coach.
At this stage, though, Davis is looking for any solution. In the past four years, the Raiders have had a 15-49 record.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2720610
Art Shell has been fired as head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the second time in 13 years.
After a daylong meeting between Shell and owner Al Davis on Thursday, Davis decided to go a different direction with his head coaching position. The Raiders finished 2-14 this season, and the offense scored only 12 touchdowns in 16 games.
The sides were expected to meet again Friday morning to determine whether Shell would return as head coach in 2007 season, but two hours after Thursday's meeting, the decision was made: Shell was out as head coach.
"Al Davis and Art Shell met today and discussed the 2006 football season" the Raiders said in a statement. "While Art will no longer serve as head coach, he and Mr. Davis have discussed and will continue to discuss opportunities for Art to remain a valued member of the Raider organization."
Shell is expected to meet with his staff Friday to inform them that he's done as the Raiders' coach.
Shell was hired as head coach in February when Davis admitted he made a mistake in firing him in 1994. Shell's record as the Raiders' head coach was 56-41 from 1989-94. In 1989, Shell was enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame after one of the most distinguished careers in Raiders history.
After Shell's firing in 1994, only one Raiders coach, Jon Gruden, had a winning tenure. Shell met with Davis last January, and Davis felt he needed to bring in a former Raider who believed in the team's tradition as head coach. Shell was given a two-year contract to turn the team around.
Shell and wide receiver Jerry Porter hit it off poorly during the offseason, and Porter barely played in 2006 even though he was healthy most of the season. Wide receiver Randy Moss complained about his frustrations about the Raiders' offense. By mid-season, Shell demoted offensive coordinator Tom Walsh, whom he hired from a dude ranch, and replaced him with John Shoop, the former Chicago Bears offensive coordinator who was coaching the tight ends.
Unfortunately for the Raiders, the offense didn't change. It still struggled to score points.
One possible candidate for the job might be on staff. Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan turned around the defense, which started eight young players. Davis, however, likes to hire offensive head coaches, so it would go against Raiders tradition to hire a defensive coach.
At this stage, though, Davis is looking for any solution. In the past four years, the Raiders have had a 15-49 record.
aldelgreco
Footballguy
fixed.RAIDERNATION said:
Pathetic QB and line plan will make an average back out of a pretty solid back. He's not LT, but he's a pretety good back with good pass catching skills. Going out and spending a bundle to get another FA back doesn't do them any good. Their problem is on the line, not the back. The turnstiles are working the wrong way. Instead of letting the back through, they let the D come in. Maybe they go w/ Fargas, and let Jordan go, but he'll fare no better without better line play, and a thret to throw the ball. As far as removing Shell. It has to be done. I saw his impact on the team as nil. His comment about mid season about somebody in the organization working against him (or something to that effect) was odd. I figured he was gone at that point. Much like Joe Gibbs (close your ears Gibbs fans) the game has passed him bye. Granted Shell doesn't have the talent Gibbs has, or even close to it. But, 12 td's in 16 games is pretty pathetic. *********Whoever quoted Martz in there for not taking the Atlanta job unless Vick moves to rB and Schaub to QB, I love it. I've said that for 2 years. I think it makes them a better team.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I just love that Adam Schefter 
Al Davis.
Al Davis.
redman
Footballguy
I just love that Adam Schefter
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Early candidates to replace Art Shell are Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, former Giants coach and Raiders assistant Jim Fassel and Louisville coach Bobby Petrino, who turned down the job last January. Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and Fresno State coach Pat Hill also were candidates last year and could resurface again.
Posted January 05, by Ben Maller
Posted January 05, by Ben Maller
redman
Footballguy
In other words, "Round up the usual suspects!"
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Rumor was Shoop was to be next HC of the Raiders....NOT...thank god
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGRDNE8U01.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPGRDNE8U01.DTL
redman
Footballguy
There was a rumor that Steve Sarkisian, the USC offensive coordinator, was a candidate for the job. I think that would be a horrible idea as he's never coached before. Frankly, I don't think Al Davis has the will to hire the type of personality it will take to turn that organization around.
massraider
Footballguy
Well, he's speaking to guys, whether they are candidates for the head coach position or something else is the question. He was speaking to Trestman as well, who is definitely not in the running.A guy like Sarkisian, I think, becomes an OC candidate if Ryan gets the job. I'd be surprised if he was a candidate for the HC position.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Can you please put in writing that you won't meddle in personnel matters anymore?Maybe then we can get a capable coach.
Purpulhippo999
Footballguy
somewhere in LA bill simmons is still laughing hysterically
redman
Footballguy
Actually, no. I just saw it on NBC4 last night, reported by Fred Roggin. And it is Sarkissian, even though you're right about Kiffin. Frankly, whatever those two are called, they're co-offensive coordinators at USC.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Well, if the NFL used FBG scoring that wouldn't be too bad now would it?
fatness
Footballguy
I caught something on Mike&Mike this morning about Denny Green being a candidate. I don't know if there's anything to that or not.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I think the point is that Jordan was very productive.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The Raiders must adhere to the Rooney Rule, which requires NFL teams to interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching vacancies. Former Arizona Cardinals coach Dennis Green, who interviewed with the Raiders in 2003, could get another sitdown to satisfy that clause.
Whiplash Inc.
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toxicbees
Footballguy
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...SPG8QNG4EG1.DTL
Raiders might talk to Martz
David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
All was quiet at Raiders headquarters Tuesday as team officials (namely, Al Davis) plotted the next step in the search for their eighth head coach in 13 years.
Davis interviewed USC assistant Steve Sarkisian on Monday and wants to interview at least two more candidates to replace Art Shell, who was fired Thursday after going 2-14 in his first season back with the Raiders.
No arrangements had been finalized to bring in the next candidate, according to several team sources. The Raiders as an organization do not openly discuss job searches.
One candidate to watch for is former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz, who is interviewing for the Miami Dolphins' head-coaching vacancy today. According to a league source close to Martz, he would be "very interested" in interviewing with the Raiders for the second time in two years.
A Raiders official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed that Martz is believed to be on Davis' short list of candidates. As of Tuesday, the Raiders had not contacted Martz for an interview.
Former Giants coach Jim Fassel and Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan also are considered candidates. Former Arizona Cardinals coach Dennis Green and San Diego Chargers assistant James Lofton also could get sit-down interviews with Davis before the process is over.
Martz, who coached the Rams from 2000 through '05, is the sort of offensive mastermind some within the organization believe the Raiders desperately need after they ranked last in the NFL in offense and scoring.
With the Rams, he engineered a high-flying offense dubbed the "Greatest Show on Turf." Hired as their offensive coordinator in 1999, he took an offense that was 27th in the NFL in 1998 and turned it unto the No. 1 offense in the NFL the next season, culminating in a Super Bowl victory.
Their 526 points scored was fourth-best in NFL history. Promoted to head coach one year later, Martz's Rams became the first NFL team to score at least 500 points in three straight seasons.
The Raiders, in stark contrast, scored 169 points with 12 offensive touchdowns this past season. That's the fewest points scored in franchise history (including the 1982 strike-shortened season) and the fifth-fewest points since the advent of the 16-game schedule in 1978 (excluding the strike season).
The Rams fired Martz after the 2005 season after he missed most the season with a heart ailment. Hired to run the Detroit Lions' offense, Martz took a passing offense that was 27th in the NFL in 2005 and churned out the No. 7 passing game in the league in 2006.
Unlike in St. Louis, it did not result in a magical turnaround. The Lions finished with a 3-13 record, second-worst to the Raiders.
Given his track record, Martz likely would demand more say in running the team than the previous three coaches enjoyed, something more along the lines of the authority granted to Jon Gruden to make some personnel decisions during his coaching stay from 1998 through 2001.
Raiders might talk to Martz
David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 10, 2007
All was quiet at Raiders headquarters Tuesday as team officials (namely, Al Davis) plotted the next step in the search for their eighth head coach in 13 years.
Davis interviewed USC assistant Steve Sarkisian on Monday and wants to interview at least two more candidates to replace Art Shell, who was fired Thursday after going 2-14 in his first season back with the Raiders.
No arrangements had been finalized to bring in the next candidate, according to several team sources. The Raiders as an organization do not openly discuss job searches.
One candidate to watch for is former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz, who is interviewing for the Miami Dolphins' head-coaching vacancy today. According to a league source close to Martz, he would be "very interested" in interviewing with the Raiders for the second time in two years.
A Raiders official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed that Martz is believed to be on Davis' short list of candidates. As of Tuesday, the Raiders had not contacted Martz for an interview.
Former Giants coach Jim Fassel and Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan also are considered candidates. Former Arizona Cardinals coach Dennis Green and San Diego Chargers assistant James Lofton also could get sit-down interviews with Davis before the process is over.
Martz, who coached the Rams from 2000 through '05, is the sort of offensive mastermind some within the organization believe the Raiders desperately need after they ranked last in the NFL in offense and scoring.
With the Rams, he engineered a high-flying offense dubbed the "Greatest Show on Turf." Hired as their offensive coordinator in 1999, he took an offense that was 27th in the NFL in 1998 and turned it unto the No. 1 offense in the NFL the next season, culminating in a Super Bowl victory.
Their 526 points scored was fourth-best in NFL history. Promoted to head coach one year later, Martz's Rams became the first NFL team to score at least 500 points in three straight seasons.
The Raiders, in stark contrast, scored 169 points with 12 offensive touchdowns this past season. That's the fewest points scored in franchise history (including the 1982 strike-shortened season) and the fifth-fewest points since the advent of the 16-game schedule in 1978 (excluding the strike season).
The Rams fired Martz after the 2005 season after he missed most the season with a heart ailment. Hired to run the Detroit Lions' offense, Martz took a passing offense that was 27th in the NFL in 2005 and churned out the No. 7 passing game in the league in 2006.
Unlike in St. Louis, it did not result in a magical turnaround. The Lions finished with a 3-13 record, second-worst to the Raiders.
Given his track record, Martz likely would demand more say in running the team than the previous three coaches enjoyed, something more along the lines of the authority granted to Jon Gruden to make some personnel decisions during his coaching stay from 1998 through 2001.
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