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I was just messing around with you.
Hey I don't know, the Vikes' coaching staff including Norv Turner looked at reams of video of every RB in the world and somehow placed him between the likes of Mason, West, Freeman, Andre Williams and Carey. Put any of those guys in this situation and people would likely be saying 'it's just a matter of time.'
I don't think anyone is going to argue that he is good - I think he's nothing more than a stop gap. His production will be limited by his skill set, but he has been productive in all 3 of his NFL starts (fantasy-wise).menobrown said:
The hype comes from his combine numbers which you apparently do not believe translate to his on the field play and that's fine. I do however. To me his explosion jumped out to me when I saw him in his first preseason game and regretted I had not picked him up in more dynasty leagues.
Actually someone was criticizing me yesterday for saying he was not very good but you are correct you don't have to be a good player to be a good fantasy player. Especially in PPR leagues and it was a Norv Turner coached RB that drove that point home to me more than any other player up until that point. That player was Lamont Jordan in his first year in Oakland. Ran mediocore but up until he got hurt late in year was top 5 fantasy RB and even better remarkably consistent week to week.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/09/17/vikings-will-quickly-learn-that-matt-asiata-cant-replace-adrian-peterson/
No I am not.
Of course. But I think trading Asiata now (or next week if you need him this one) and giving up two or three or even four weeks of decent production from him for someone who will start for you for the rest of the year is well worth it.
Oh, of course. I don't see getting straight up starter value for him at this point, though. Check out the list of recent trades at CBS: http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/trades/1245626/all/all/allI see a few decent deals there--Kelvin Benjamin, Delanie Walker, a few Pierre Thomases, a Ben Tate, a Sankey--but only a handful of really clear fantasy starters. There's an Asiata for Michael Floyd, an Asiata for Garçon, and an Asiata for Colston, all of which are deals I'd love to make, but which seem to be the exceptions.
Yeah, that's about where I think he falls. As I said well above, I just traded him and Gerhart together for Mike Wallace. In another league I'm looking at him and Pierce for Alshon Jeffrey and a random scrub (that league is even trades only).
I think he can play a little, he played QB in college, had an above average Wonderlic and by all accounts has good football IQ. It will take a little while to figure out protection schemes etc. but yeah, measurables without the intangibles doesn't pan out usually- see Stephen Hill, Jon Baldwin etc.chinawildman said:
He was dinged up in the game vs Florida if you mean that one?
It comes down to this - if McKinnon does something special, if he is a good deal more effective than Asiata, the Vikes will turn to him more and more. If he doesn't they won't. That's pretty much it.
This is the main thing. Although McKinnon is special and Asiata JAG, the rook is still to raw to trust, especially in pass protect. Vikings offensive roster is thinning out and they need to protect Cassel. Remember David Wilson? We knew he was light years better in speed/explosiveness than Bradshaw, but Wilson allowed Eli to get blown up too often. And thus he was shelved for too long. I can see the same with McKinnon.
While McKinnon's performance at the combine was special, he's yet to prove he's a special football player. But as a dynasty owner, I hope you're right.
He played a lot of RB this past college season. He's still learning the nuances, but he's a natural runner. The touches he's gotten at the pro level show me he is progressing quickly. He will factor in, maybe even this week now that he's getting meaningful practice reps.
That's kind of a ridiculous statement when you see Patterson and Jennings in the game late.
At worst (for Asiata), McKinnon proves to be a beast of a blocker and starts manhandling dudes twice his size lending to many a clean pocket. At worst, we learn that in conjunction with his pass pro. prowess, he has hands softer than a baby's ### both of which leads to McKinnon's monopolization of all 3rd down work. At worst, Asiata gets stuffed at the goal line on occasion after occasion in which McKinnon comes in a punches one in on his first try..walking backwards.
Not true. You didn't watch the game. McKinnon was in the game early when it was close. I was surprised to see this myself. The game was about to be 10-17 after a FG just before halftime and it was blocked and returned for a NE TD which was a 10 point turnaround to get 7-24 at the half. The game was actually fairly close until that play. I too expected Asiata to get all the carries in the first half, but it didn't work out that way. McKinnon was sprinkled in during the first half. It wasn't like he only got garbage time touches late in the 2nd half.
I own them both as well, only once over although the one where I own Asiata is worth a bit more. It doesn't have a barring on my opinion however. I've contended that both were worth rostering from the start.
And who would protect Teddy? It doesn't matter if you have JaMarcus Russel under center, giving a QB a clean pocket is pivotal to every NFL who ever wants to call passing plays. Pass pro. is never overrated and is why it's always the first question that comes up when discussing rookie RBs.
Good point. Any meaningful rookies in Norv's history? Is this like a John Fox deal, or is there any chance for McKinnon this year?
