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Asiata vs. McKinnon (1 Viewer)

Jackson/Spiller split

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12/12

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Asiata/McKinnon split

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20/18

It seems like it's the opposite approach to the BUF situation. BUF has the plodder in the "change of pace" role RB getting roughly 33% of the carries, while MIN has the plodder taking 66% of the carries.

 
Jackson/Spiller split

7/15

12/12

6/10

7/15

Asiata/McKinnon split

13/2

12/2

20/18

It seems like it's the opposite approach to the BUF situation. BUF has the plodder in the "change of pace" role RB getting roughly 33% of the carries, while MIN has the plodder taking 66% of the carries.
How come you aren't looking at total touches or snaps? FJax continues to out snap Spiller and if you include receptions..

10/18

14/13

14/13

13/18

The split becomes a lot more even.

 
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McKinnon closing it out -interesting
very
People see what they want to see.Like the "writers" at Rotoworld, many want to see the dynamic player "take the job", and they only see the evidence that supports that.

People who want McKinnon to win the job, will see him "closing out the game" and "interesting". In other cases, when the game is decided, the second running back coming in would be evidence that he is second in the pecking order.

I dont see any "changing of the guard" here.

I expect Asiata to continue to get the goal line work, and McKinnon to get carries as well. Real NFL is more complicated than fantasy and neither player is running away with he job. They will both get work and I don't think McKinnon did anything to "take the job" from McKinnon. It was a good day for all of the Vikings offense.
We can find it "interesting" that he closed out the game without thinking he's going to take over. I see what you're trying to do but you don't know anymore about it than the rest of us.
That's kinda my point.We don't know what will happen, but the evidence from this game is that they will both get carries with Asiata getting the valuable goalline carries and more targets in the recieving game

McKinnon closing out the game is only "interesting" if you have the agenda of wanting to see him "win" the job. Otherwise, it can just as easily mean they were protecting they starting RB with te game already decided.
Decided huh? Ask Mike Tomlin about that one. Or check to see if AP was sitting out 1-2 score games with 5 minutes on the clock.Good try though.
I dont know why you say "Good try" other than assuming that others have agendas as you do to support "your guy". I have no such agenda and am just looking at what happened.You got me. Asiata isn't Peterson. Other than that, McKinnon in at the end of the game has far less meaning that you want and hope it has.

They both played well and put up good stats. Again, Asiata got all the goaline work and more of the receptions. Given the result today, if you think you found evidence that will change next game by who got the last few carries, you're simply digging for confirmation bias.
I didn't say it meant anything. I'm refuting that Asiata was "being spared". I don't believe they were saving their all-star RB by playing McKinnon late.
It's a straw man argument.

I never said I knew Asiata was being sparred or he was an all-star. All I said was that there were multiple explanations as to why McKinnon was in at the end meaning that if you think that is meaningful, than you are just applying your own personal biases to create an interpretation that fits into your pre-existingh paradigm of these RBs.
I believe the quote was that it was interesting. You know, that there are multiple explanations as to why McKinnon was in at the end. It does not endorse one player over the other.

You're the one that got all butt hurt thinking it meant that it was because McKinnon was taking over for Asiata. The word interesting does not argue for one side or the other. It was YOUR bias that took it to mean Asiata is a lesser athlete or was going to lose touches or whatever. The word interesting could mean multiple things. Don't accuse others of being biased when in fact you're just projecting your own biases on them.

 
Alright everyone let's settle down. I'm going to say this right now and if the mod wants to he should change this thread to "Asiata and McKinnon". Because you know what? I have this tandem to draw comparisons to. CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson. I know everyone who is an Asiata owner wants to argue that he's the man. I know everyone who is a McKinnon owner wants to argue that he will be the starter. You know what? It doesn't matter. They will both get touches. Asiata is Fred Jackson, that goal line power back who can run between tackles, pass protect and catch passes. McKinnon is CJ Spiller who has the juice and can pop off big plays. The Vikings will need them both and that's the way it's going to be as Bridgewater continues to develop. Thank you and have a nice day.

***Puts mic down***

 
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Skip Hicks...wow, there is a name I hadn't heard in years. :lol:
I'm totally bumping this post thirteen years from now when some undrafted RB from Tufts gets 23 carries for 54 yard and 3 TDs and I trot this stat back out, and you respond with "Matt Asiata... wow, there is a name I hadn't heard in years. :lol:"

Seriously, I'm bookmarking this post right now.

 
Jackson/Spiller split

7/15

12/12

6/10

7/15

Asiata/McKinnon split

13/2

12/2

20/18

It seems like it's the opposite approach to the BUF situation. BUF has the plodder in the "change of pace" role RB getting roughly 33% of the carries, while MIN has the plodder taking 66% of the carries.
How come you aren't looking at total touches or snaps? FJax continues to out snap Spiller and if you include receptions..

10/18

14/13

14/13

13/18

The split becomes a lot more even.
Fair enuf. But without looking doesn't Asia ta also have mor recs and rec yds.tds than mckinnon pushing it even more in his favor? Just going from memory here.
 
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Alright everyone let's settle down. I'm going to say this right now and if the mod wants to he should change this thread to "Asiata and McKinnon". Because you know what? I have this tandem to draw comparisons to. CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson. I know everyone who is an Asiata owner wants to argue that he's the man. I know everyone who is a McKinnon owner wants to argue that he will be the starter. You know what? It doesn't matter. They will both get touches. Asiata is Fred Jackson, that goal line power back who can run between tackles, pass protect and catch passes. McKinnon is CJ Spiller who has the juice and can pop off big plays. The Vikings will need them both and that's the way it's going to be as Bridgewater continues to develop. Thank you and have a nice day.

***Puts mic down***
You should read the thread before posting in it. This comparison has been mentioned several times and is currently being discussed.

****Picks mic up, rolls the cord up, and wonders who that guy with the bicycle helmet and a pumpkin shaped bucket full of crayola markers was****

 
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I don't have either back, but they both looked good. McKinnon was explosive and could score on any play, he also picked up a good block in pass protection which impressed me since that was supposed to be a weakness. Asiata was solid and got the goal line carries, a couple which seemed way too easy.
I'm very optimistic about the number of touches and experience Mckinnon is getting this quickly; steep learning curve for a "raw" RB.

 
This will be McKinnon's team sooner or later. If Asiata was more talented, it might be a different story. McKinnon is raw, but has a humongous upside. The Vikings were high on this kid & drafted him accordingly. He hasn't disappointed. In fact, he looks like a future stud.

I believe McKinnon can certainly earn the feature back role in 2015 if not later this season.

 
Asiata is Fred Jackson
Damn. Fred Jackson gets no respect.
I think the usage comparison is apt. At first you want to compare him to BGE, Mendenhall and etc. etc. as the plodder stealing carries from the electric, stud in the making but Asiata has shown to have improved immensely as a pass catcher. He really does have soft hands and is a legitimate threat once he catches that ball and gets some momentum behind him. It's actually his best bet for production, because it bypasses him actually having to work his way through a defensive line into the second level to get that head of steam. In PPR at least, it makes his floor a lot more tolerable.

I'm going to ask this question again. How do people feel about both Asiata and McKinnon, on a short week, traveling to GB? GB is allowing the 4th most points to RBs regardless of format. Lynch ran for 110 and 2 TDs vs. them. All NYJ backs combined for 100+ and a TD; same for DET's backfield. Forte didn't punch one in but him and Kareem combined for 240+ all purpose yards. Short weeks usually lead to more ground work/tired defenses, it really does seem like a plus match-up.

Personally, I think it all comes down to whether or not Teddy plays. Vegas has MIN pegged as 9.5 point dogs and I'm not sure if that's with them operating under the assumption that Teddy doesn't go. For Asiata at least, he needs the team to be able to move down the field because his ceiling is solely dependent on TDs. Also, I agree with the person who said McKinnon actually boosts Asiata's value since McKinnon has the ability to drive the team down the field into the red zone, where as Asiata obviously cannot and will just lead to stalled drives/punts. Anyway, I'm really curious as to how everyone feels about this Thursday.

 
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Asiata is Fred Jackson
Damn. Fred Jackson gets no respect.
I think the usage comparison is apt. At first you want to compare him to BGE, Mendenhall and etc. etc. as the plodder stealing carries from the electric, stud in the making but Asiata has shown to have improved immensely as a pass catcher. He really does have soft hands and is a legitimate threat once he catches that ball and gets some momentum behind him. It's actually his best bet for production, because it bypasses him actually having to work his way through a defensive line into the second level to get that head of steam. In PPR at least, it makes his floor a lot more tolerable.

I'm going to ask this question again. How do people feel about both Asiata and McKinnon, on a short week, traveling to GB? GB is allowing the 4th most points to RBs regardless of format. Lynch ran for 110 and 2 TDs vs. them. All NYJ backs combined for 100+ and a TD; same for DET's backfield. Forte didn't punch one in but him and Kareem combined for 240+ all purpose yards. Short weeks usually lead to more ground work/tired defenses, it really does seem like a plus match-up.

Personally, I think it all comes down to whether or not Teddy plays. Vegas has MIN pegged as 9.5 point dogs and I'm not sure if that's with them operating under the assumption that Teddy doesn't go. For Asiata at least, he needs the team to be able to move down the field because his ceiling is solely dependent on TDs. Also, I agree with the person who said McKinnon actually boosts Asiata's value since McKinnon has the ability to drive the team down the field into the red zone, where as Asiata obviously cannot and will just lead to stalled drives/punts. Anyway, I'm really curious as to how everyone feels about this Thursday.
I'm rolling with McKinnon this week. It's either him or Donald Brown against the Jets. Be happy you don't have my team in this league. It's one crappy year...

 
The next game against Green Bay looks favorable for both RB.

How many years has the HC of Green Bay been saying they need to get better at tackling now? 3 years? 4 years?

Based on how much yardage they have been giving up I would guess that the issue has not been fixed and likely won't be fixed by Thursday.

The Vikings ran a lot of read option with Bridgewater which the Packers have had a lot of problems with. I expect them to do that. It will be much better executed by Bridgewater who reportedly is expected to play.

About the only thing I could see being a bad situation for the Vikings running game on Thursday would be if Christian Ponder starts because Teddy cannot play. Even then, Ponder has played ok against Green Bay before.

 
The next game against Green Bay looks favorable for both RB.

How many years has the HC of Green Bay been saying they need to get better at tackling now? 3 years? 4 years?

Based on how much yardage they have been giving up I would guess that the issue has not been fixed and likely won't be fixed by Thursday.

The Vikings ran a lot of read option with Bridgewater which the Packers have had a lot of problems with. I expect them to do that. It will be much better executed by Bridgewater who reportedly is expected to play.

About the only thing I could see being a bad situation for the Vikings running game on Thursday would be if Christian Ponder starts because Teddy cannot play. Even then, Ponder has played ok against Green Bay before.
With ADP yes. With Asiata, could be a much different story.

 
The "experts" on fantasypros.com have actually been rather infatuated with Asiata lately. The most accurate experts had him at an overall ECR of 12 last week. So far this week, with a limited number of people weighing in (15) they have him pegged as the #13th overall back with his best ranking being 6th and his worst 19th. He really is a prime example of how opportunity is weighted so heavily in fantasy football.

 
The "experts" on fantasypros.com have actually been rather infatuated with Asiata lately. The most accurate experts had him at an overall ECR of 12 last week. So far this week, with a limited number of people weighing in (15) they have him pegged as the #13th overall back with his best ranking being 6th and his worst 19th. He really is a prime example of how opportunity is weighted so heavily in fantasy football.
And McKinnon?

 
The "experts" on fantasypros.com have actually been rather infatuated with Asiata lately. The most accurate experts had him at an overall ECR of 12 last week. So far this week, with a limited number of people weighing in (15) they have him pegged as the #13th overall back with his best ranking being 6th and his worst 19th. He really is a prime example of how opportunity is weighted so heavily in fantasy football.
And McKinnon?
29th. Here's the comparison so far. This will be a lot more telling in a day or so.

 
The next game against Green Bay looks favorable for both RB.

How many years has the HC of Green Bay been saying they need to get better at tackling now? 3 years? 4 years?

Based on how much yardage they have been giving up I would guess that the issue has not been fixed and likely won't be fixed by Thursday.

The Vikings ran a lot of read option with Bridgewater which the Packers have had a lot of problems with. I expect them to do that. It will be much better executed by Bridgewater who reportedly is expected to play.

About the only thing I could see being a bad situation for the Vikings running game on Thursday would be if Christian Ponder starts because Teddy cannot play. Even then, Ponder has played ok against Green Bay before.
With ADP yes. With Asiata, could be a much different story.
True.

Ponder does not inspire much optimism in any scenario. But I think Bridgewater will play.

 
The next game against Green Bay looks favorable for both RB.

How many years has the HC of Green Bay been saying they need to get better at tackling now? 3 years? 4 years?

Based on how much yardage they have been giving up I would guess that the issue has not been fixed and likely won't be fixed by Thursday.

The Vikings ran a lot of read option with Bridgewater which the Packers have had a lot of problems with. I expect them to do that. It will be much better executed by Bridgewater who reportedly is expected to play.

About the only thing I could see being a bad situation for the Vikings running game on Thursday would be if Christian Ponder starts because Teddy cannot play. Even then, Ponder has played ok against Green Bay before.
With ADP yes. With Asiata, could be a much different story.
True.

Ponder does not inspire much optimism in any scenario. But I think Bridgewater will play.
Which is at least something of a boon for McKinnon, right?

 
One problem with GB is that while they look sieve like on D, if they bust out a big lead, there may not be much running from Minnesota.

 
One problem with GB is that while they look sieve like on D, if they bust out a big lead, there may not be much running from Minnesota.
Asiata has seen targets of 6,6,4 over the past three weeks. McKinnon has seen 3,5,3. I don't think them playing from behind is a huge negative in PPR tbh.

 
Mr. Bloom is recommending spending 25-50% of FAAB on Asiata and 15-30% for McKinnon. That seems to express an awful lot of confidence in Asiata holding the job for the full year.

 
In case anyone was wondering about pass pro. up to this point.

@PFF has Matt Asiata with perfect pass-blocking rating on 23 snaps. McKinnon poor mark of 71% on 6 snaps

 
The next game against Green Bay looks favorable for both RB.

How many years has the HC of Green Bay been saying they need to get better at tackling now? 3 years? 4 years?

Based on how much yardage they have been giving up I would guess that the issue has not been fixed and likely won't be fixed by Thursday.

The Vikings ran a lot of read option with Bridgewater which the Packers have had a lot of problems with. I expect them to do that. It will be much better executed by Bridgewater who reportedly is expected to play.

About the only thing I could see being a bad situation for the Vikings running game on Thursday would be if Christian Ponder starts because Teddy cannot play. Even then, Ponder has played ok against Green Bay before.
With ADP yes. With Asiata, could be a much different story.
True.

Ponder does not inspire much optimism in any scenario. But I think Bridgewater will play.
Which is at least something of a boon for McKinnon, right?
I strongly believe McKinnon is the future for the Vikings RB position not Asiata.

From what I have seen McKinnon fits better what they want to do on offense, he is a more talented player than Asiata is all around. The main question about that has been McKinnon's pass protection, but he has been used almost exclusively as the 3rd down RB since Cassel was injured.

 
In case anyone was wondering about pass pro. up to this point.

@PFF has Matt Asiata with perfect pass-blocking rating on 23 snaps. McKinnon poor mark of 71% on 6 snaps
McKinnon only has 6 snaps of pass pro up to this point in the season? I thought he had that many in the last game alone.
Yep. I think there was some misinformation earlier in the thread regarding his pass pro opps vs. NE (because he played 20 some odd snaps that particular game one assume he was pass blocking in those situations)........majority of those garbage time.

Pass blocking is #1 reason why Asiata won't go away. As PFF denotes, he's rock solid. With their franchise QB back there they won't take unnecessary risks. CJ Spiller like load is possible with McKinnon (he's nowhere near as explosive as Spiller but Vikings run blocking is solid). If/when Vikes playing from behind (which is likely at various points this year), McKinnon looks to be a guy that could get some garbage stats. (Really can't say that for sure with Spiller)

 
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In case anyone was wondering about pass pro. up to this point.

@PFF has Matt Asiata with perfect pass-blocking rating on 23 snaps. McKinnon poor mark of 71% on 6 snaps
McKinnon only has 6 snaps of pass pro up to this point in the season? I thought he had that many in the last game alone.
When he's in on pass plays, he rarely stays in to block. Pretty much releases on every play. Still isn't trusted in pass-pro.

 
The "experts" on fantasypros.com have actually been rather infatuated with Asiata lately. The most accurate experts had him at an overall ECR of 12 last week. So far this week, with a limited number of people weighing in (15) they have him pegged as the #13th overall back with his best ranking being 6th and his worst 19th. He really is a prime example of how opportunity is weighted so heavily in fantasy football.
dodds has been all over asiata for weeks. hes been pretty correct about it too.

 
Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs. :kicksrock:
:lol: I know. Over the past 3 weeks he's been the 3rd best RB on a PPG basis, behind only Davis and Murray. It's funny how he's outscored L. Bell, who looks like the next coming of LT in that time span. I have a feeling were going to continue to hear how dreadfully unathletic Asiata, and how it's a crime that McKinnon isn't touching the ball 20 times a game (not in this thread, this thread has evolved) from now until the end of the year. We'll then look back at his 800-1000 all purpose yards, 40-50 catches, double digit TDs and laugh.

 
Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs. :kicksrock:
Just remember all the hype about Latimer a few weeks ago, probably from the same people hyping McKinnon right now.

Fantasy players wanna see their flashy new toys get used and are blind to useful football realities, like Asiata helping MIN win.

 
What kind of value are people getting for trading Asiata? Targeting the AD owners who didn't handcuff him?
I've been seeing him valued as a RB2 from the receiving end in a lot of trades.

Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs. :kicksrock:
Just remember all the hype about Latimer a few weeks ago, probably from the same people hyping McKinnon right now.

Fantasy players wanna see their flashy new toys get used and are blind to useful football realities, like Asiata helping MIN win.
The difference is Lattimore has yet to see the field. We just witnessed the hype materialize this past Sunday.

ETA: Thought you were talking about Marcus Lattimore. Same thing applies to Cody Latimer, more or less.

 
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Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs. :kicksrock:
Just remember all the hype about Latimer a few weeks ago, probably from the same people hyping McKinnon right now.

Fantasy players wanna see their flashy new toys get used and are blind to useful football realities, like Asiata helping MIN win.
"Asiata helping MIN win?". You do realize that in the 2 games MIN relied on Asiata exclusively, MIN went 0-2, right? And scored a total of 16 points? And in the one game they gave McKinnon significant touches, they won? And scored 41 points?But "they" are blind to football realities?

 
The "experts" on fantasypros.com have actually been rather infatuated with Asiata lately. The most accurate experts had him at an overall ECR of 12 last week. So far this week, with a limited number of people weighing in (15) they have him pegged as the #13th overall back with his best ranking being 6th and his worst 19th. He really is a prime example of how opportunity is weighted so heavily in fantasy football.
dodds has been all over asiata for weeks. hes been pretty correct about it too.
Dodds has him ranked 9th in PPR this week. :o

 
As far as some of these guys not being owned. Not all leagues are egual. In my Dynasty league we have 25 man rosters and are only allowed 2 waiver wire pick ups each season. So Asiata is and might remain untouched. However I am a McKinnon owner since our draft for this year.

 
Bayhawks said:
chem said:
chinawildman said:
Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs. :kicksrock:
Just remember all the hype about Latimer a few weeks ago, probably from the same people hyping McKinnon right now.

Fantasy players wanna see their flashy new toys get used and are blind to useful football realities, like Asiata helping MIN win.
"Asiata helping MIN win?". You do realize that in the 2 games MIN relied on Asiata exclusively, MIN went 0-2, right? And scored a total of 16 points? And in the one game they gave McKinnon significant touches, they won? And scored 41 points?But "they" are blind to football realities?
I dunno, something about the quarterback looked different this week...

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Mike Zimmer confirmed that Matt Asiata remains his starting running back.

Finally given a chance to just run the football, freak athlete Jerick McKinnon predictably broke out for 135 yards on 18 carries. But his struggles as a pass protector and receiver will keep him in a change-of-pace role for now. "I hope we can continue to grow his role but I don't think he's going to be an every-down player right now," Zimmer said. Still, the Vikings should be splitting the carries evenly here going forward, with Asiata getting the goal-line work. His arrow is certainly pointing down, leaving him as a touchdown-dependent RB2/3 for Thursday's game against the Packers.

Related: Jerick McKinnon

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
 
I have a funny story about Asiata. I hope you guys don't mind. So last year during our live draft, we had one guy drafting remotely cuz he moved to Oregon. Around the 12th round, he drafts Matt Asiata. Everyone was like who? Remember Asiata was behind AP and Gerhart at the time and this guy didnt own either. So I call this guy up and ask him if he picked the wrong guy by accident and hes like no, hes thinking outside the box. So I hang up on him and we all start laughing at his pick. Anyway, guy drops him a few weeks later and life goes on... Until AP and gerhart gets hurt in the same game and Asiata is called in to start the game. As everyone remembers, that was the game Asiata had 3 TDs. Heres the kicker, the guy who drafted him didnt even pick him up THAT week. He went untouched in free agency. So this guy drafts him when hes the third stringer but when he finally gets the chance he has no interest in him. So Asiata will always be a punchline in our league.

 

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