What happens to this analysis when you factor receptions and receiving yards/tds into the equation?
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Asiata vs. McKinnon (2 Viewers)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tellywahat that extra 0.5 ypc means a lot, if he has a couple more of those sub-3.0 ypc games, that ain't good.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Asiatas 3 TDs came in one game, does anyone think he will keep up with Bernard through the entire season? I sure dont.
Bernard is getting the majority of the goal line looks in Cincy, but I think Hill gets more opportunity there as the season progresses.
I like McKinnon, but Asiata should maintain the majority of looks at the goal line.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think maybe the McKinnon people will have to pul the party on hold.
I sense Asiata is a mudder, they will let him plunge it 30 times if they must.
I sense Asiata is a mudder, they will let him plunge it 30 times if they must.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Snap counts for both players for weeks 2-4Mr. Retukes said:
McKinnon
Week 2 - 23 of 61 for 38%
Week 3 - 17 of 54 for 31%
Week 4 - 34 of 74 for 45%
Asiata
Week 2 - 47 of 61 for 77%
Week 3 - 40 of 54 for 74%
Week 4 - 45 of 74 for 60%
mnmplayer
Footballguy
I thought I saw some plays where both were on the field. I see a Tom Rathman/Roger Craig pro set offense where both can catch passes rush, or Rathman can block to spring Craig. Aww the good ole days. If this was the 80s and Walsh was coach ... I am sure he would see a fit here.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I just traded Vereen straight up for Asiata.
Dynasty non ppr
I don't think wither are great and Verren is more talent and has a better upside but Asiata for the short term is going to see the ball
Dynasty non ppr
I don't think wither are great and Verren is more talent and has a better upside but Asiata for the short term is going to see the ball
thatguy
Footballguy
Love the Top Gun quote.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
What do you think the chances are that Norv uses ex-QB McKinnon in the wildcat tonight?
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Uh, no. The total number of snap counts increased from 2-3 to make the percentage look lower, but in week 2, he had 21 snaps, week 3 he had 24 and week 4 he had 42.Mr. Retukes said:
Feel free to change the week and the position and check for yourself.
No need to apologize. I get it. Math is hard.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Where are you getting that from because I found vastly different numbers on another site. It had 21, 24, and 42 for McKinnon but the Asiata numbers are closer on Football Outsiders with 45, 40 and 44.
You seem to be talking about total snaps, while the other poster is referring to offensive snaps. Perhaps ST snaps are causing the confusion?
Dondante
Footballguy
With what we've seen so far you won that trade by a wide margin. I don't know about long term, but this year you made out nicely.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
There is certainly some inconsistency in reported data.
FO has the Vikings with 76 total offensive plays while this has the Vikings running 79 total offensive plays.
There were some plays nullified by holding and other penalties that could be the difference in this accounting or it may be another error.
FO has the Vikings with 76 total offensive plays while this has the Vikings running 79 total offensive plays.
There were some plays nullified by holding and other penalties that could be the difference in this accounting or it may be another error.
I Love Your Fantasy Team
Footballguy
Offensive Snaps:
WK/Asiata/McKinnon
Wk1: 14-3
Wk2: 45-21
Wk3: 40-16
Wk4: 44-32
*according to Football Outsiders
WK/Asiata/McKinnon
Wk1: 14-3
Wk2: 45-21
Wk3: 40-16
Wk4: 44-32
*according to Football Outsiders
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ourmanflint
Footballguy
PFF
They call it play counts which is only offensive plays including penalties and kneel downs. It appears we are getting different numbers from different sites but I tend to believe PFF since they charge for the numbers.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Again, from the tape I've watched McKinnon looks like a capable blocker but..
So maybe it isn't so much that McKinnon isn't capable but that Asiata is just a wall back there?
Dondante
Footballguy
So if you just drafted Bridgewater and were probably about to lose AP, what would you do? I don't think Zimmer is going to risk either the potential franchise QB or an electric talent like McKinnon in a year they probably aren't going to do much. I'm not suggesting Asiata is disposable, necessarily, or expendable, but I don't see them building the franchise around him either. Love him this year for fantasy, however, and wish I had him. Absolutely perfect flex play - especially in PPR.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Vegas player props on Asiata (non on McKinnon). O/U 52.5 rushing yards, 20.5 receiving yards, 2.5 receptions +120 to score a TD, -150 not to. Vegas is a bit more fond of Lacy tonight.
football_genus
Footballguy
ourmanflint
Footballguy
9-48 are considered average blockers. Only 49-53 are considered below average (significantly negative ratings).
So, even given those ratings, they aren't particularly down on McKinnon as a pass blocker.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
an already dinged McKinnon who isn't as good at pass protection ?
I'll take Asiata now and in the immediate future, and I bet in 2015 draft MIN goes high for a RB
I'll take Asiata now and in the immediate future, and I bet in 2015 draft MIN goes high for a RB
Fireinside
Footballguy
I beg to differ.
If McKinnon shows up like last game, I doubt Minnesota wants to waste a high pick for RB.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Is mckinnons ankle a real concern? Don't hear much about it
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I honestly cannot remember and I don't believe anyone keeps a history of player props.
MCguidance
Footballguy
buck naked
Footballguy
ponchsox
Footballguy
He is, but I can see Green Bay shutting down the running game and forcing Ponder to beat them. I can see Asiata getting like 30 yards and they completely abandon the running game.
Sankey, on the other hand, sounds like he's in line for a bigger work load and has a great matchup vs the Browns.
Sankey has the higher ceiling, IMO, and might have the higher floor this week.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Asiata's rushing prop moved up to 54.5 before closing. Honestly, he needs like ~18 carries to hit that. I don't know how I feel about this.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
ETA: Not positive if this is correct just yet.
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knickstorm
Footballguy
doug martin rode big td games to an elite rb1 season!Asiata's stats are extremely over inflated due to the TD's. Three TD games are very much an anomaly. I mean, if you are counting on that every game, then by all means keep starting him. But pretty soon, we're going to see that the guy is good at getting a couple of yards near the goal line, or the scrimmage line in all reality, but if he had to score from the three, he'd have a hard time getting there. TD's are a fickle beast, not a guarantee. TY Hilton is going to have a great year in terms of yardage, but has no TD's, on a team with a QB on pace to hit 52 TD's this year.Matt Asiata... the only fantasy player I've ever owned whose stock dropped after scoring 3 TDs.
I know. Over the past 3 weeks he's been the 3rd best RB on a PPG basis, behind only Davis and Murray. It's funny how he's outscored L. Bell, who looks like the next coming of LT in that time span. I have a feeling were going to continue to hear how dreadfully unathletic Asiata, and how it's a crime that McKinnon isn't touching the ball 20 times a game (not in this thread, this thread has evolved) from now until the end of the year. We'll then look back at his 800-1000 all purpose yards, 40-50 catches, double digit TDs and laugh.
RealReactions
Footballguy
Asiata all day !!!!!! I'm seeing 60-80 total yards 3-6 catches and hopefully a touchdown maybe 2 if we are extremely lucky.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Tanner9919
Footballguy
GB 5th worst against RBs, averaging 4.24 per carry, allowing 10th most passing yards to RBs at 181 total pass yards. 5 TD's. how do you slow down A. Rodgers when you have a bad QB named C. Ponder starting and Norv Turner as OC? run the crap out of the ball, eat up clock, move the chains, etc.
not sure where people think it isnt going to be a wet field, 100% chance of rain tonight.
not sure where people think it isnt going to be a wet field, 100% chance of rain tonight.
aardball44
Footballguy
I've got Asiata in as my flex. He's getting the start over two of these three wideouts (all currently Questionable):
Megatron
Julio Jones
Andre Johnson
I missed Asiata's big game last week when I threw Megatron into the mix at the last possible moment.
Overcorrecting: the first mistake before ending up in the ditch.
Megatron
Julio Jones
Andre Johnson
I missed Asiata's big game last week when I threw Megatron into the mix at the last possible moment.
Overcorrecting: the first mistake before ending up in the ditch.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I have to go with Asiata. It's either him or Ridley. 
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Asiata looks like another Mike Alstott. A big FB playing RB.
John Bender
Footballguy
My condolencesflapgreen said:
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
McKinnon looked lost on that Ponder sack.
