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Its not that he didn't tackle him. Its the fact he got out hustled and couldn't catch a defensive end... He was right next to him and got out ran. Either he is hurt or he is no where near the explosiveness we thought he had.
All relative.Some guys in here seem really invested in Asiata. If you are relying on this guy, it means you messed up somewhere in the draft. I hope no one is relying on this "starting RB."
Yes, I messed up in a draft and he is my starter, but I am not proud of it and I do not think he is good at all.
Wow, there is a terrible read on what happened. He didn't get out run by Peppers. It wasn't a sprint from spot A to B. First and foremost, McKinnon was running with 1 agenda, pop the ball out of peppers hands. It was pretty clear to see that is what he was doing. He was trying to stay out of Peppers vision and pop him from behind. As it got later in the return, he sidestepped a turning around linebacker who would have lit McKinnon up. At that stage he wouldn't have caught him because if he ran straight at him, the aforementioned linebacker would have lit him up. so he sidesteps to save his ### and peppers continues to endzone.
You still have to chase down a guy to pop the ball out... or are you saying people that are trying to pop the ball out run slower on purpose?DepthCharts said:
The other option here is that McKinnon just might be soft. He blocked soft. To block a guy that big, you gotta get mean and get in their face and bulldog them. McKinnon one arm tackled them which made him into a turn style. He wanted no part in tackling Peppers like he wanted no part in blocking. The guy has mad running skills, and his hands are better than I thought (when Ponder's not throwing to him), but I'm wondering about his heart. Half of pass pro is just the willing to stand up to a monster of a man bearing down.You still have to chase down a guy to pop the ball out... or are you saying people that are trying to pop the ball out run slower on purpose?DepthCharts said:
Haha the guy that commented saying I had a horrible read clearly never played tackle football because that is the dumbest comment I have ever heard. You are saying he slowed down while trying to chase him to punch the ball out? I hope you weren't being serious with that comment. Go back and watch the play McKinnon, after running half ### trying to tackle him dove from behind to act like he was trying to grab his leg. Clearly showing he wasn't going for the ball but the tackle and got out hustled by a devensive end.... I can see why McKinnon isn't the starter he is just a straight up #####. He doesn't have the set of balls to man up and take a hit for his qb. He obviously is a better runner that asiata no question but asiata will stick his nose in front of a 250lb linebacker sprinting into the backfield just to make sure his quarterback doesn't get hit. Until McKinnon changes he will be nothing more than a "change of pace" back.You still have to chase down a guy to pop the ball out... or are you saying people that are trying to pop the ball out run slower on purpose?DepthCharts said:
Really? He didn't SLOW DOWN, what he did is take an indirect route to peppers!!! His FIRST step was to get behind peppers who was moving right, in an effort to strip the ball from behind. Clearly that is what he is doing from the second it happened! Offensive players often try to strip the ball out of a defenders hands as a priority over tackling the recovering player because defenders are not used to carrying the ball, let alone securing it! In addition, tackling is NOT something coaches desire their offensive players do. I suggest you go ask a RB coach at a level above pop warner what/how he wants his RB's doing once a turnover has happened.Haha the guy that commented saying I had a horrible read clearly never played tackle football because that is the dumbest comment I have ever heard. You are saying he slowed down while trying to chase him to punch the ball out? I hope you weren't being serious with that comment. Go back and watch the play McKinnon, after running half ### trying to tackle him dove from behind to act like he was trying to grab his leg. Clearly showing he wasn't going for the ball but the tackle and got out hustled by a devensive end.... I can see why McKinnon isn't the starter he is just a straight up #####. He doesn't have the set of balls to man up and take a hit for his qb. He obviously is a better runner that asiata no question but asiata will stick his nose in front of a 250lb linebacker sprinting into the backfield just to make sure his quarterback doesn't get hit. Until McKinnon changes he will be nothing more than a "change of pace" back.You still have to chase down a guy to pop the ball out... or are you saying people that are trying to pop the ball out run slower on purpose?DepthCharts said:
So, this weeks match-up looks rather ####ty on paper for MIN's run game. DET is allowing the 21st most points to RBs in PPR, giving up 3.3YPC on the ground for the year, but ~4YPC over the past 3 weeks. They've also allowed three rushing TDs to CAR, NYG and NYJ. It's not all bad, specifically for Asiata owners, and here's why..
Owner of both as well, in separate leagues. No question that McKinnon is a more dynamic player with more talent. But if I'm the Vikes, not sure I simply give the whole load to McKinnon unless pass pro is no longer an issue. From a fantasy perspective, McKinnon is now the guy to own, but not sure Asiata is simply a wire guy, either. Asiata has been effective, and I would think the Vikes find the roles best suited for them (McKinnon starting, Asiata taking short yardage and stripe carries).
Time for you to disappear.ExactlySame reason he sat the last series vs Falcons and people here took is as an omen that McKinnon was surpassing him
Gotta love the shark pool
Yeah, it happened. I thought it may be more gradual but this was always a possibility. McKinnon was still absolutely awful in pass pro. when he found himself lost (did a good job when he could find his man per usual) and can solely be attributed for at least two Teddy sacks. If you watch film, you'll see it. It doesn't exactly matter to this thread or MIN anymore though, obviously.
I agree with everything but the bolded. Bad pass pro can only go on for so long. That said, he can and hopefully will improve by fire.
Teddy was sacked 8 times vs. DET and McKinnon was left on the field regardless. Sure, DET has a rather formidable pass rush but they only had 12 sacks on the year coming into this game. I'm not placing all 8 sacks on McKinnon but he contributed. It just doesn't seem like MIN really cared during the game.
In hindsight it was the correct read. McKinnon was targeted 6 times, Asiata twice and DET's pass rush was formidable. MIN just decided to hang Teddy out to dry to the tune of 8 sacks. It's akin to BUF leaving Spiller in after he almost got Orton's head taken off two weeks ago.
Correct read? It's the opposite of what happened.
Read referring to the game state of how DET would attack the QB and how MIN should combat it by utilizing their RBs in the passing game and leaving in the superior pass blocker. Obviously my conclusion was wrong but seeing how this was the most sacks DET has had in a game since 1997, MIN probably should have taken my advice.flapgreen said:Correct read? It's the opposite of what happened.SameSongNDance said:Bazinga! said:
Teddy left himself out to dry, rookie QB not ready yet for prime time, it be a long season for either MN RB, teams will try make Teddy beat them, and with CP, and Jennings, and some other no names WR's, teams will put 8 or more in the box to stop the run and make Teddy throw the ballSameSongNDance said:Bazinga! said:
What I don't understand is how they could have reviewed tape and decided it was a good idea to trot McKinnon out there for essentially the entire game. Like, if a laymen like me realized that you were going to need to keep Asiata in to protect Teddy how could they not have seen it?
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