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This is for those of us that carry as little as 4-5 RB's on up. With all the injuries, it makes things tough. Especially if you are in a keeper/dynasty league where you're trying to stash a guy or two. You really have to pare down and prioritize.

Bye Weeks beginning and it's going to make the decision process even tougher.

Good discussion here too:

Who will be the next hot RB pickup?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=714628

RB's about to break out:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716069

Many of these guys will be replaceable or see competition next year. Looking ahead, this is a good thread before we make big investments in any of these guys:

Help Wanted Ads:2015 RB's

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716262

Baltimore - Pierce, Forsett, Taliaferro _ RBBC?

Taliaferro Thread:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=715461

Crowell & Taliaferro: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=713391

Ravens RB Outlook: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681610

Buffalo - Dixon, Bryce Brown - Dixon has gotten reps. Brown was said by Marrone to be a potential future starter.

Cleveland - Tate, West, Crowell - All getting work. Hard to forecast.

Tate Dynasty Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=686939

Crowell Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=709028

West vs. Crowell: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707131

Crowell and Taliaferro: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=713391

Denver - Hillman, Anderson - Ball is struggling. Who's the handcuff? Could one of these two take the job?

Ball Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=681122

Houston - Blue, Grimes - Blue carries value when Foster is out and appears to have the handcuff. Foster MAY be back Week 4.

IND - TRich, Bradshaw, RBBC

TRich Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=691007

Jax - Gerhart, Robinson, Todman, Storm Johnson - OOF. OL terrible. Henne terrible. Mostly rookie WR corps. Does Bortles change the prognosis?

Gerhart Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=698621

Robinson Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=615287

KC - Knile Davis - Charles may return to practice Week 4. The handcuff. Could carry RBBC value as Charles eases back in. Made the most of his chances.

Charles Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=682568

Davis Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=676402

De'ANthony Thomas Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708781

Miami - Damien Williams, Daniel Thomas - Top two RB's have struggled with injuries.

Knowshon Moreno: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704610

Lamar Miller: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=714955

Damien Williams Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=709824

NE - Bolden, James White - Bolden getting run. White a draft pick. Ridley fumbles. Vereen can get hurt.

Vereen Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=664545

Ridley Support Group: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=689416

NYJ - Powell - Still got some reps.

CJ?K: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=708758

CJ?K: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=702153

OAK - McFadden, MJD, Latavius Murray - All brittle.

Owning McFadden: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=650323

What Does the Coaching CHange Mean for the RB's?: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716270

SD - Brown, Oliver - Woodehead forked. Mattheews out.

Why No Ryan Matthews Love: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=711485

Donald Brown Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=690260

Oliver Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=710209&page=3

Tenn - Greene, McCluster, Sankey, Washington - RBBC. Inconsistent offense.

Sankey Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704910

Ari - Taylor, Grice, Hughes, Dwyer - Ellington's struggles keeping these guys viable. Plus Ellington not a bellcow.

Grice Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=715545

Atl - Quizznos, Freeman, ANtone SMith, SteJax - Not 2, not 3, but 4 man RBBC?

Antone SMith Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=699293

Car - Deangello, Stewart, Tolbert, Reaves, Seastrunk, WHitaker - Hey, are you in shape? The Panthers might need you.

Reaves Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=710523

Seastrunk Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704287

Chi - Carey - Handcuff

Dal - Dunbar, Randle - Murray overworked and injury prone.

DET - Riddick - RBBC already but Riddick also getting looks.

GB - Starks - Lacy struggling.

Lacy Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678557

MIN - Asiago, McKinnon - AP situation looms.

Peterson Charges Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=713862

Peterson Trade Offer Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=713889

Asiata VS. McKinnon: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=713864

NO - Thomas, Ingram, Khiry, Cadet - RBBC and injuries

Pierre Thomas Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=691124

Ingram Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?s=ff38af5083c9b94418d0b97a6a8c6f2c&showtopic=591790

Khiry Robinson Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?s=a59d8ad25ff8926de2d214898e1203b5&showtopic=692275

NYG - Andre Williams - handcuff

Williams Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=704025

PHI - Polk - main backup to Sproles, McCoy

STL - Cunningham, Mason - Talented bench guys, would be more viable if Rams were better

Mason Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=702807

SF - Hyde - A flex guy now but dependent on TD's and garbage time wins.

SEA - Turbin, Michael - Beast has back issues.

Michael Thread:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678062&page=1

TB - Martin, Rainey, James, Sims - Lots of guys. Lots of injuries

Martin Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=703067

Sims Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=716320

WASH - Helu - handcuff

Helu Thread: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=645162

FA -

Lamichael James: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=669490

 
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Gerhart was already dropped in our league for example.

He's a guy that was Top 20 in the RB rankings that was on the waiver wire.

Any other "starters" get dropped already in your leagues?

What about high upside backups that somebody didn't have room for?

 
Picking up mistakenly dropped starters the last few weeks with all the turnover/scared owners is where it's (been) at in short bench/limit RB # leagues. In a 12 team keep 3 redraft (no 1-3 rounders can be kept), I waited for waivers to process and was able to get Miller and Mathews, to illustrate.

In this league (5 bench spots), I don't roster a backup QB or TE (Graham in my final keeper year for him from 2011 and took Peyton in the 1st round), and definitely not a D/ST, and we don't do K. Try to keep 5 total RB's at all times, 3-4 in start/timeshare touch situations and 1-2 upside RB's, can start 3 w/1 in the flex and 2 mandatory. That leaves 3 bench spots, which I generally keep for WR's. One of those WR's is my "burner" who will be dropped for bye week QB/TE. I flip D/ST for the bye only, or if I need to start streaming.

I feel like holding RB's in a short bench league like this that have present or future value is a big advantage if you can manage it right.

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
In the Ball thread people are saying no way denver benches Ball because of their investment and the backup doesn't look much better. Yet suddenly Starks is one of the hottest names thrown around, Starks isn't better than Lacy. Gb like is much like denver, it sucks. Starks may get a groove and be a better back for a specific game, but good luck predicting that. How do you go from ROY, elite discussion to suddenly benchable

 
In the WW thread, I mentioned that I'm probably going to bid on BAL FB Kyle Juszcyk. They might use him as an HBack type with Pitta out. After Pitta's injury, he went 3/54/1 with 4 targets. Yes, MFL has him designated a RB.

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
In the Ball thread people are saying no way denver benches Ball because of their investment and the backup doesn't look much better. Yet suddenly Starks is one of the hottest names thrown around, Starks isn't better than Lacy. Gb like is much like denver, it sucks. Starks may get a groove and be a better back for a specific game, but good luck predicting that. How do you go from ROY, elite discussion to suddenly benchable
It's like the perfect storm right now in GB.

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
In the Ball thread people are saying no way denver benches Ball because of their investment and the backup doesn't look much better. Yet suddenly Starks is one of the hottest names thrown around, Starks isn't better than Lacy. Gb like is much like denver, it sucks. Starks may get a groove and be a better back for a specific game, but good luck predicting that. How do you go from ROY, elite discussion to suddenly benchable
Lacy is killing me so far. Might start Donald Brown in front of him this week.

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
In the Ball thread people are saying no way denver benches Ball because of their investment and the backup doesn't look much better. Yet suddenly Starks is one of the hottest names thrown around, Starks isn't better than Lacy. Gb like is much like denver, it sucks. Starks may get a groove and be a better back for a specific game, but good luck predicting that. How do you go from ROY, elite discussion to suddenly benchable
Lacy is killing me so far. Might start Donald Brown in front of him this week.
That's what this discussion is for. In small leagues, you have to eek out the production.

I've already dropped one of my favorite dynasty stashes, Michael.

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
In the Ball thread people are saying no way denver benches Ball because of their investment and the backup doesn't look much better. Yet suddenly Starks is one of the hottest names thrown around, Starks isn't better than Lacy. Gb like is much like denver, it sucks. Starks may get a groove and be a better back for a specific game, but good luck predicting that. How do you go from ROY, elite discussion to suddenly benchable
Lacy is killing me so far. Might start Donald Brown in front of him this week.
That's what this discussion is for. In small leagues, you have to eek out the production.I've already dropped one of my favorite dynasty stashes, Michael.
I'm fine with benching Lacy on the fantasy team,,but to insinuate that a second round Rb, last year's rookie of the year,is going to get benched on his team is ridiculous.

Yes, I would bench Lacy for brown also. The gb OL is dreadful

 
I think Carlos Hyde is a guy you need to have a trigger finger on. Also like James Starks.
I read somewhere that Gore was in tears after the game. Based on his performance I wonder if he's starting to feel like his time is coming to an end. Pure speculation on my part - but Hyde looks like the better RB at this point already.

 
Gerhart was already dropped in our league for example.

He's a guy that was Top 20 in the RB rankings that was on the waiver wire.

Any other "starters" get dropped already in your leagues?

What about high upside backups that somebody didn't have room for?
I dropped Mathews in two short bench leagues. In both leagues, I waited on RB, so I planned for him to be a starter.

 
How many bench spots would be considered short? I'm still holding matthews....with woodhead going down he's going to be big down the stretch

 
for the people talking about Starks as a great name to keep an eye on, he only had so many carries this week because of the Lacy fumble. Starks did not see the field in the second half. he has always looked great but the Packers just don't like him for whatever reason. I expect him to see 2 series a game with a few plays mixed in to give Lacy a breather unless Lacy fumbles again. look at who the Packers have played: Jets, Seattle, and the Lions. those are the top 3 in the NFL in YPC against (2.8 each)

 
Devonta Freeman just got cut in our league and it's a dynasty. He was highly sought after preseason. Just an example of what happens with short benches.

 
for the people talking about Starks as a great name to keep an eye on, he only had so many carries this week because of the Lacy fumble. Starks did not see the field in the second half. he has always looked great but the Packers just don't like him for whatever reason. I expect him to see 2 series a game with a few plays mixed in to give Lacy a breather unless Lacy fumbles again. look at who the Packers have played: Jets, Seattle, and the Lions. those are the top 3 in the NFL in YPC against (2.8 each)
He's performed well when given the chance but I agree. Isn't STarks averaging over 5 per tote?

 
Good List!

I don't always have a great sense of humor So click below at your Own risk: :argue:

So Great List!
 
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Picked up Ingram when his owner dropped him. Said not to be more than a few weeks. Worth the look I feel.

 
For those who own him, what are you guys doing with ADP? Hold, drop, sell, buy?

Bye's are here. Might be a drop in redraft. Dynasty, that's a tough call.

Assuming he hasn't been banned from your league, that is.

 
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For those who own him, what are you guys doing with ADP? Hold, drop, sell, buy?

Bye's are here. Might be a drop in redraft. Dynasty, that's a tough call.

Assuming he hasn't been banned from your league, that is.
It pained me to do it, but I dropped him this week. We can only have 4 RBs on our roster and byes and injuries were starting to bite. Didn't want to get rid of him, but I also have a gut feeling he doesn't play this year.

 
For those who own him, what are you guys doing with ADP? Hold, drop, sell, buy?

Bye's are here. Might be a drop in redraft. Dynasty, that's a tough call.

Assuming he hasn't been banned from your league, that is.
It pained me to do it, but I dropped him this week. We can only have 4 RBs on our roster and byes and injuries were starting to bite. Didn't want to get rid of him, but I also have a gut feeling he doesn't play this year.
Redraft or dynasty/keeper?

 
For those who own him, what are you guys doing with ADP? Hold, drop, sell, buy?

Bye's are here. Might be a drop in redraft. Dynasty, that's a tough call.

Assuming he hasn't been banned from your league, that is.
It pained me to do it, but I dropped him this week. We can only have 4 RBs on our roster and byes and injuries were starting to bite. Didn't want to get rid of him, but I also have a gut feeling he doesn't play this year.
Redraft or dynasty/keeper?
Redraft. I have him in 3 dynasty leagues, but those rosters are deep enough that he is not going anywhere until he retires

 
How are you guys approaching Crowell, especially if it's a keeper/dynasty?

Redraft, he's tough to roster on Bye Week 4 and Tate reportedly coming back.

News is he may be surpassing West on the depth chart.

Dynasty more attractive as he may have the talent to be out Tate and he can't stay healthy.

Could be an opportunity to roster a RB starter at some point on a VERY GOOD run blocking team/attack.

However, if you have injuries, byes, or a weak RB core he's a tough pickup despite the upside.

Short benches make it tough for sure.

 
Maybe not a WDIS but it may be helpful if anyone would like to list their league requirements/rules and guys on the wire.

Others may be in similar situations and we could help each other out.

 
How are you guys approaching Crowell, especially if it's a keeper/dynasty?

Redraft, he's tough to roster on Bye Week 4 and Tate reportedly coming back.

News is he may be surpassing West on the depth chart.

Dynasty more attractive as he may have the talent to be out Tate and he can't stay healthy.

Could be an opportunity to roster a RB starter at some point on a VERY GOOD run blocking team/attack.

However, if you have injuries, byes, or a weak RB core he's a tough pickup despite the upside.

Short benches make it tough for sure.
For my Team, I rank Crowell pretty high, based on what I believe is potential. We can never control what Coachs believe and/ or put into practice..

Personally I have six RB's rostered, which includes Miller and TRich (my starters) So in so many words, Crowell is at least my RB3..

Considering I can actually play up to four RB's, Im holding onto Crowell. The worst case scenario would be a goose -egg one week. (fwiw week Four is terrible, but Im good)

I believe we need to consider/discuss what your hoping to accomplish. In some Leagues, Yes its now or nothing. But in Dynasty, its worth considering things like 1) Does the Coach Go Cowbell 2) OLine 3) Teams Defense 4) Quality of QB etc.

Crowell is quite high imho when you look at the Total picture. Now some may even want to know, can he be RB1? I dunno, I believe it depends upon receptions.

My other RB's: Taliaferro/Hill/McKinnon

I like Hill's potential, and enjoyed watching him play. McKinnon is part of a new regime. The Vikings may use RBBC, which has designated plays for three different RB's The worst part is right now, that would be better than what hes seeing now..

Personally, Lorenzo Taliaferro is probably the only RB, who I wouldn't care to argue/discuss matching w/ Crowell. The Ravens have a somewhat cowbell mentality, and I believe Lorenzo received a lions share this last game.

p.s. Two/three weeks and there may be less to discuss and/or discover!

 
My RB depth is in such shambles I'm almost embarrassed to list them here. I'm obviously banking more on 2015 than this year.

Here is what I currently have in a 16 team deep roster dynasty:

MJD - dropped for Benny Cunningham

Forsett - picked up when I thought he might be the starter

Gerhart - just traded him and a couple of older players for a 2015 2nd.

Latavius Murray - hoping he gets a shot in 2015

Christine Michael - have no choice but to hold him for 2015...though I'm starting to get discouraged since he is a healthy scratch every week

Benny Cunningham - dropped MJD for him in hopes he might at least get some 3rd down, hurry-up play. Hoping he gets more opps in 2015

J-Stew - was hoping he got his chance this year, but he's just obviously not very good any more. I'm hoping to trade him for a late pick but will probably end up dropping him.

My taxi squad contains:

Silas Redd - just holding him in case he gets some play in 2015 due to an ALF injury. Not sure if he has any ability.

Damien Williams - hoping for some play in 2015

Lorenzo Taliferro - not gonna move him to my active roster until he starts getting more consistent play. But he may be my best option in 2015 if I can't make some moves.

Also gonna put in a waiver bid on some of the previously mentioned guys today.

I'm obviously hoarding all the rookie backup RBs which isn't a very good strategy. Especially in leagues where we need to assign years and you get cap hits if you cut players (with multiple years). So I'm in quite the bind.

I have the benefit of a long bench though, trying to figure out who to cut/keep for short benches is pretty ugly this year unless you have the ability to see in to the future. We've seen more talented players ride the pine and you can't trust a word that comes out of a coaches mouth. Good luck with that.

 
How are you guys approaching Crowell, especially if it's a keeper/dynasty?

Redraft, he's tough to roster on Bye Week 4 and Tate reportedly coming back.

News is he may be surpassing West on the depth chart.

Dynasty more attractive as he may have the talent to be out Tate and he can't stay healthy.

Could be an opportunity to roster a RB starter at some point on a VERY GOOD run blocking team/attack.

However, if you have injuries, byes, or a weak RB core he's a tough pickup despite the upside.

Short benches make it tough for sure.
For my Team, I rank Crowell pretty high, based on what I believe is potential. We can never control what Coachs believe and/ or put into practice..

Personally I have six RB's rostered, which includes Miller and TRich (my starters) So in so many words, Crowell is at least my RB3..

Considering I can actually play up to four RB's, Im holding onto Crowell. The worst case scenario would be a goose -egg one week. (fwiw week Four is terrible, but Im good)

I believe we need to consider/discuss what your hoping to accomplish. In some Leagues, Yes its now or nothing. But in Dynasty, its worth considering things like 1) Does the Coach Go Cowbell 2) OLine 3) Teams Defense 4) Quality of QB etc.

Crowell is quite high imho when you look at the Total picture. Now some may even want to know, can he be RB1? I dunno, I believe it depends upon receptions.
1. I'm not sure Crowell could become a cowbell guy with all the talent they have at RB. At least this year. The other guys have played well enough to get some reps.

2. OLine. Outstanding run blocking. Super high ranked by PFF. Between scheme (Shanahan ZBS) and talent (plethora) they are GREAT!

3. Defense. PFF has the Browns in the bottom half of the league right now by a substantial margin. However, it's a new regime with a new scheme with a defensive minded coach. The talent is there. They need time, they have the talent in place.

4. Hoyer is grading out pretty high. As is Hawkins (3rd? at WR by PFF). However, Hawkins is primarily a slot guy and Cameron is still out. They could use some more playmakers.

5. I grew up with Ray Farmer the GM. I'm very biased. I think he'll be great. He's only 40 years old and is like the second or third youngest GM in the league. He is a former NFL player (Eagles). His career was cut short by a knee injury.

 
12 team-roster size 16-bench size 7

Tate, Matthews, Moreno and Sankey all on WW
:eek:

That's a lot of potential starters there. I think I like Matthews the best if you can afford the wait.
Right now I am sitting on Forte-Brown-Blue-Bush-Ingram-SJax-CJ?K
The only one I'd be attached to on that list is Forte obviously.

You have to start Brown this week against Jax with all the other RB's out this week.

I'd start seeing if you can move some of these guys.

I'd especially try and move CJ?K before all his value is eaten up by Ivory.

 
Yeah, its tough to use stats and know exactly what the writer is trying to convey

Lets see if I can help some

1) The Browns spent a 1st round on Trent (old Regime) However It makes me think they want a bellcow It also appears they walked the talk in getting Tate too

2) Every back has been productive at some point w/ the Browns OLine this Season. (kinda open and shut) No need to look at game stats

3) The browns ironically are having issue stopping the Run. Id venture to say the D is improving upon last Season. The latest HC should be able to improve the Defense even more next Season..

4) Hoyer is the man, especially considering last Seasons #1 WR isn't playing

5) I believe the Players have to have the will and desire to perform and Win. It sometimes just takes a new Coach, whose job is to Win games! GM(s) are just along for the ride.... LMAO

 
How are you guys approaching Crowell, especially if it's a keeper/dynasty?

Redraft, he's tough to roster on Bye Week 4 and Tate reportedly coming back.

News is he may be surpassing West on the depth chart.

Dynasty more attractive as he may have the talent to be out Tate and he can't stay healthy.

Could be an opportunity to roster a RB starter at some point on a VERY GOOD run blocking team/attack.

However, if you have injuries, byes, or a weak RB core he's a tough pickup despite the upside.

Short benches make it tough for sure.
My other RB's: Taliaferro/Hill/McKinnon

I like Hill's potential, and enjoyed watching him play. McKinnon is part of a new regime. The Vikings may use RBBC, which has designated plays for three different RB's The worst part is right now, that would be better than what hes seeing now..

Personally, Lorenzo Taliaferro is probably the only RB, who I wouldn't care to argue/discuss matching w/ Crowell. The Ravens have a somewhat cowbell mentality, and I believe Lorenzo received a lions share this last game.

p.s. Two/three weeks and there may be less to discuss and/or discover!
I really like Hill and think by year's end he will be 1a/1b with Bernard.

Taliaferro actually split snaps pretty much w Forsett. Forsett grades out really high but is smallish and can't be a workhorse. Still, he's good enough to see work. Pierce is talented but he's never playing full strength. He's always banged up.

I think Asiata pretty much has that job right now. They really trust him and while he doesn't have a lot of upside, McKinnon is really going to have to show to get a lion's share.

 
Is Knile Davis an absolute must-own? I'm 0-3, looks like Charles has a shot to play this week and I have Seattle defense on a bye. I could also drop Trent Richardson but I think with his name value I could move him in a trade

 
Is Knile Davis an absolute must-own? I'm 0-3, looks like Charles has a shot to play this week and I have Seattle defense on a bye. I could also drop Trent Richardson but I think with his name value I could move him in a trade
I own him, am 0-3, and don't plan on dropping him. Most of these other backs are involved in RBBC's and he is a surefire RB1 if he gets to play.

My keeper league has short benches (5 spots), and the following RB's are available:

Ingram

Forsett

Crowell

Starks

I need to start a defense this week so I will be dropping either Pierce or Gerhart. I think I'm leaning towards keeping Gerhart.

 

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