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Barbershop - Raising Prices As They Re-Open (1 Viewer)

What do you think of the Barbershop starting haircut auction bids at twice regular price when they r

  • Totally Fine

    Votes: 69 37.7%
  • Mostly Fine

    Votes: 28 15.3%
  • Barely Fine

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • On The Fence

    Votes: 15 8.2%
  • Kind of Not Cool

    Votes: 20 10.9%
  • Not Cool

    Votes: 23 12.6%
  • Totally Not Cool

    Votes: 20 10.9%

  • Total voters
    183
Mostly fine. I don't like the auction part of it. They should just raise their prices for the early going, promising to go back to normal at some time.

My barber is right around the block. $14 for a cut, I give him $20. I would probably give him $30 the first few times until things get back to semi-normal.

 
I voted "Totally Not Cool," but I feel I should clarify - I do not think legally anyone should have any issue with it.  It's their right to do it...but me, as a customer, I wouldn't ever set foot in there again.  I'm somewhat principled as a customer - I'll pay more to a place I appreciate and to good people rather than pay less to someone who I think is schiesty.  To me, this is schiesty.  I also think it's going to have a horrible impact on your business.  

Through all of this, I've cut my son's hair 3x, and my wife has cut mine twice - all with perfectly acceptable outcomes.  I'm going to have a hard time justifying going back to the place that charged me $42 to cut my hair and my son's.  I'll probably go for me, but I'll continue to cut his.  That's lost business - and places will lose even more if they jack prices up.  Unlike short-term price gouging, lost demand is gone forever.

 
If I’m reading correctly this is just for some early appointments and not their regular practice going forward.  If someone really needs a haircut that bad and is willing to pay 2X+ for it sure why not 
agreed, I have no issue with it - if folks don't want a haircut at those prices, they're free to go somewhere else.

 
Right. That's why I think raising prices are justifiable. Restaurants too.

I'd just rather not have to bid on it. (I won't, but eventually my wife might need a cut).
Table for 4 at your favorite restaurant for Friday night at 7. Reservation only (not cost of dinner or drinks) starts at 25. Do I hear 30?

 
Mostly fine. I don't like the auction part of it. They should just raise their prices for the early going, promising to go back to normal at some time.

My barber is right around the block. $14 for a cut, I give him $20. I would probably give him $30 the first few times until things get back to semi-normal.
$14?!?  

that barber in Queens or Idaho?

if that's Queens, it's gotta be Italo's in S.O.P., no?

 
I manage a fine jewelry store.   We will have to raise prices.   Our shop is small so to abide by social distancing standards--we will only be able to allow a couple customers in at the same time.   Every jewelry or watch repair we take in now just got a lot more complicated.  We'll have to have the customer place the piece on a tray first.  We then will put the tray in a uv-chamber for 20-30 minutes, conduct the work, sterilize the piece again via uvc-chamber or sanitation wipes.   We will have to do a complete sanitation of the shop 2-3 times per day.  Our investment in cleaning supplies, masks, hand sanitizer, uv-c equipment, the payroll hours that will now have to go to just cleaning and sanitizing as opposed to selling is huge.    People have to understand that for brick and mortar businesses--our cost of business will go up dramatically because of this pandemic--and we'll have to operate on limited volume if we care about the safety our our staff and our customers.   If we don't raise prices--we become extinct.   This is not about greed--it's reality. 

 
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Table for 4 at your favorite restaurant for Friday night at 7. Reservation only (not cost of dinner or drinks) starts at 25. Do I hear 30?
Could happen.

We'll continue to do carry-out for a while.  We're okay eating in the family van.

 
oh man..  these guys and  gals have taken a beating as independent contractors.  

but, they also rely on a steady, consistent return business. much easier to build relationships and rely on re-bookings than to hope for walk-in business that may never come back.  i'd be curious to hear how this turns out for barbers that run an auction. how do their loyal, repeat customers react long-term?

if my barber runs an auction for early access once this blows over... i'm going to pass and continue to wait until he returns prices to normal.  if he doubles the price and keeps it that way, i'm not going back as i would bet most, if not all, of his customers.

 
I dont understand the "they need to make back money they lost" argument. $275 is the weekly maximum for Tenn unemployment. The interwebs tells me folks in TN have been getting the $600 fed payment. That means they are getting $875 a week, tax free. Not sure how reliable the info is, but again, the internet tells me the average barber in TN makes less than that. Even if they are making more, 875 a week should have been significant enough to get by without making others (who may have been out of work themselves) pay extra. 

 
Who are all these men who are so preoccupied with getting to the barber after just a few weeks? At the anti-science protests, I saw some people with signs about getting a haircut.

I don't get it. If getting a bit shaggy is such a big problem (it isn't), get the clippers out and give yourself a buzz.

 
I’m trying to figure out how everyone is acting like they’re getting thrown out on the street when every bank, lender and landlord is required to suspend foreclosures, evictions, lates fees and penalties. 

 
oh man..  these guys and  gals have taken a beating as independent contractors.  

but, they also rely on a steady, consistent return business. much easier to build relationships and rely on re-bookings than to hope for walk-in business that may never come back.  i'd be curious to hear how this turns out for barbers that run an auction. how do their loyal, repeat customers react long-term?

if my barber runs an auction for early access once this blows over... i'm going to pass and continue to wait until he returns prices to normal.  if he doubles the price and keeps it that way, i'm not going back as i would bet most, if not all, of his customers.
Agree with this.

The shops doing this have to factor in is the additional revenue up front going to outweigh the loss of future revenue of the customers they are going to lose by upsetting them and driving them elsewhere?  As shared in other threads, plenty of people have gone the clippers route at home.  If any of those people "getting by" by buzzing themselves while staying at home are upset by the perceived price gouging, then they've lost a customer for life.  Obviously that might not be everyone, but it is a calculation that barber needs to make.

I really like the girl that cuts my hair, but

 
I’m trying to figure out how everyone is acting like they’re getting thrown out on the street when every bank, lender and landlord is required to suspend foreclosures, evictions, lates fees and penalties. 
Landlords and bankers have things to pay for too. 

 
Who are all these men who are so preoccupied with getting to the barber after just a few weeks? At the anti-science protests, I saw some people with signs about getting a haircut.

I don't get it. If getting a bit shaggy is such a big problem (it isn't), get the clippers out and give yourself a buzz.
I get a haircut every other month. I actually went the day before they shut them down, probably not a wise move at the time, but I'm still holding up fine.

 
I dont understand the "they need to make back money they lost" argument. $275 is the weekly maximum for Tenn unemployment. The interwebs tells me folks in TN have been getting the $600 fed payment. That means they are getting $875 a week, tax free. Not sure how reliable the info is, but again, the internet tells me the average barber in TN makes less than that. Even if they are making more, 875 a week should have been significant enough to get by without making others (who may have been out of work themselves) pay extra. 
I work in labor... 

There are a lot of people making more on unemployment than their regular jobs. They are not incentivized to work for their money. 

Its more of this semi-recent culture of grossly exaggerating and more often than not- flat out lying about their situation for maximum financial gain. (Free money)

This isn’t new. I quit my last job as a construction superintendent because I grew so tired of everyone lying just to get something for free. 
 

Obviously there are people who have and will be hurt by this and for those people I am truly sorry and hopeful they get the help they need. It’s just been my experience that most people are awful lying scumbags when it comes to this type of thing. 

 
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1/2 the world complaining unemployment amounts arent enough to get by on, and we're gonna double the prices of things like haircuts. 

godspeed. 

if barbershops didnt close their doors by now, wait til their regulars give em the stiff finger

 
Landlords and bankers have things to pay for too. 
And they are getting breaks as well. If everything goes like it normally does, more often than not those entities will end up better off than before after they’re done draining the money that should probably go to other folks. 
 

ETA - Cry me a river on banks. They can pound sand. 

 
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I dont understand the "they need to make back money they lost" argument. $275 is the weekly maximum for Tenn unemployment. The interwebs tells me folks in TN have been getting the $600 fed payment. That means they are getting $875 a week, tax free. Not sure how reliable the info is, but again, the internet tells me the average barber in TN makes less than that. Even if they are making more, 875 a week should have been significant enough to get by without making others (who may have been out of work themselves) pay extra. 
Unless something has changed. Unemployment is not tax free (the extra $600 might be IDK).

 
Barbers, restaurant workers, bars, etc. all were told to make some serious sacrifices over the past couple of months that were far more serious than any sacrifices my family had to make.  If the end result is that my wife has to pay double or triple for her first haircut since February, that's a tiny thing to worry about and I would feel like a small person for complaining.  

 
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How could they have not? I am sure many have gone to people's homes to cut hair in violation of the orders, but I can't imagine it's anything close to 100% of the usual revenue. 
Unless you are deputing the numbers I posted, I already explained how they may not be losing money. 

 
The waiting room too?

Might not have as large as impact as the actual barbers or chairs, but if that's a choke point, the throughput will decrease at least some.
No, they'd have to change the waiting area. My guess it would be a thing like the food pick up where you wait in your car or outside distanced. Bottom line, my only point for this shop was when they re-open, they likely will be near regular capacity. I know that's not the case for lots of places. Especially restaurants. 

 
How do you know this? 
You think brick and mortar businesses and employees are doing well?   I'm working and making 60% less during the pandemic.  My co-workers had to get furloughed and are each making a fraction of what their pre-pandemic earnings are.  Our landlord is not giving a penny of rent relief--which means that once we open on reduced volumes--we'll have to pay double rent.   You think most small businesses are getting loan money? We applied within the first four hours when it got announced--and got denied and are expecting to get denied for $100k when the lakers, shake shack got millions almost instantly.   Yeah--maybe there are some people who are making more off the government money than before--but do not act like thats the normal.  Most people in the brick and mortar sector are getting absolutely destroyed by this. 

 
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Unless you are deputing the numbers I posted, I already explained how they may not be losing money. 
I do not believe unemployment benefits cover anywhere close to what my barbers were making. I am sure it is relative to locality, cost of living, etc. 

 
You think brick and mortar businesses and employees are doing well?   I'm working and making 60% less during the pandemic.  My co-workers had to get furloughed and are each making a fraction of what their pre-pandemic earnings are.  Our landlord is not giving a penny of rent relief--which means that once we open on reduced volumes--we'll have to pay double rent.   You think most small businesses are getting loan money? We applied with the first four hours when it got announced--and got denied and are expecting to get denied for $100k when the lakers, shake shack got millions almost instantly.   Yeah--maybe there are some people who are making more off the government money than before--but do not act like thats the normal.  Most people in the brick and mortar sector are getting absolutely destroyed by this. 
Hang in there GB.

I know lots of people in same shape. 

 
I voted "Totally Not Cool," but I feel I should clarify - I do not think legally anyone should have any issue with it.  It's their right to do it...but me, as a customer, I wouldn't ever set foot in there again.  I'm somewhat principled as a customer - I'll pay more to a place I appreciate and to good people rather than pay less to someone who I think is schiesty.  To me, this is schiesty.  I also think it's going to have a horrible impact on your business.  

Through all of this, I've cut my son's hair 3x, and my wife has cut mine twice - all with perfectly acceptable outcomes.  I'm going to have a hard time justifying going back to the place that charged me $42 to cut my hair and my son's.  I'll probably go for me, but I'll continue to cut his.  That's lost business - and places will lose even more if they jack prices up.  Unlike short-term price gouging, lost demand is gone forever.
This is how I feel. If they want to turn getting a haircut into some Hunger Games competition of whoever has the deepest pockets then screw them. I'd rather order some clippers off Amazon and do it myself until I find another haircut place.

 
Barbers, restaurant workers, bars, etc. all were told to make some serious sacrifices over the past couple of months that were far more serious than any sacrifices my family had to make.  If the end result is that my wife has to pay double or triple for her first haircut since February, that's a tiny thing to worry about and I would feel like a small person for complaining.  
Agree that these industries have had to make sacrifices, and I plan on leaving a bigger tip than normal when I go back for my first.  I wouldn't though if I get charged a higher than normal price.

Different industries go through down times due to normal cycles, and people take the hit.  If the RE market is slow, would you be fine with the standard commission to be bumped up because RE agents income is down?

 
Also for a place to get away with raising their prices for the round of time slots, that probably  means they have a pretty large and loyal base of clients which also means they were probably doing pretty well before the shutdown. I know the shop I go to has 4 barbers at all times and there are usually at least 4 people waiting at all times- even slow periods. The barbers and owner were doing quite well. Tough work, but it was good money. 

 
If there's anything, I'd hope empathy gets more attention in all this. 

I see a fair bit of "Oh they'll be just fiiiiiiine" from my white collar privileged friends. Where their biggest worry is how they get the zoom background to look great as they keep making their full salary while coping with the "struggles" of work from home life. "It's SOOOO Boring".  

Spare me. 

Lots of regular folks, especially service industry people, are having a super tough time with this. 

 
Agree that these industries have had to make sacrifices, and I plan on leaving a bigger tip than normal when I go back for my first.  I wouldn't though if I get charged a higher than normal price.

Different industries go through down times due to normal cycles, and people take the hit.  If the RE market is slow, would you be fine with the standard commission to be bumped up because RE agents income is down?
This is not a parallel argument.  The goverment forced certain businesses closed--there was no choice This was not a slow down in a business cycle. The government said that some businesses can remain open--while others have to shut down. The goverment will also force businesses that rely on volume to exist to somehow exist on limited volume.  The government is doing all of this--all without the guarantee that they will make the workers and owners of those businesses "whole". The loans are a rigged raffle--where the big boys get their money instantly while the others are left getting denied over and over again.  I agree that the lockdown was necessary for public health--but the government should have bailed out every business that got screwed through their imposed lockdown.  They bailed out the big banks that caused the last crisis--but they seem to not care about the innocent businesses and employees that their own laws have destroyed.  

 
Because they can only have half their business open at a time due to social distancing so they have to charge more to make ends meet? 
FWIW, I know all places are different but for this particular shop, the chairs are already far apart. From a what they can handle aspect, I think they should be able to handle capacity that is their normal capacity. 
The local place I go to is a sole proprietor. Over 15 years, I've never seen enough people in there to even come close to making 6-feet-apart an issue.

He does have a bank of a dozen chairs, three rows of four, in the waiting area. The chairs are welded together on rails. The barber might have to break up that arrangement to make maintaining social distance easier on those waiting. That would be it.

 
I voted Totally Not Cool.  So, the first haircuts go to people who can afford to overpay?  Why not just open up, and trust in the kindness of of those that haven't been hit too hard?  I have not lost my job, and will certainly tip well, but only because I can.  Is this same establishment gonna give free haircuts to those who have been hit hard?

 
You think brick and mortar businesses and employees are doing well?   I'm working and making 60% less during the pandemic.  My co-workers had to get furloughed and are each making a fraction of what their pre-pandemic earnings are.  Our landlord is not giving a penny of rent relief--which means that once we open on reduced volumes--we'll have to pay double rent.   You think most small businesses are getting loan money? We applied within the first four hours when it got announced--and got denied and are expecting to get denied for $100k when the lakers, shake shack got millions almost instantly.   Yeah--maybe there are some people who are making more off the government money than before--but do not act like thats the normal.  Most people in the brick and mortar sector are getting absolutely destroyed by this. 
I was speaking specifically about TN, which is where this auction is happening and barbers, who havent been working at all. Your 60% and what your furloughed co-workers are going through is meaningless in this context.  

 
If there's anything, I'd hope empathy gets more attention in all this. 

I see a fair bit of "Oh they'll be just fiiiiiiine" from my white collar privileged friends. Where their biggest worry is how they get the zoom background to look great as they keep making their full salary while coping with the "struggles" of work from home life. "It's SOOOO Boring".  

Spare me. 

Lots of regular folks, especially service industry people, are having a super tough time with this. 
Understood. Do you happen to know the reasoning for the "Auction" angle on this? I can see raising prices and taking appointments. Not understanding the auction angle though, admittedly I'm somewhat dense.

 
My barber is right around the block. $14 for a cut, I give him $20. I would probably give him $30 the first few times until things get back to semi-normal.
$14?!?  

that barber in Queens or Idaho?
Locally, Hurricane Katrina introduced a price jump for a lot of personal services -- and that price jump never went back down to pre-Katrina levels. It essentially worked itself out over time.

Until summer 2005, it wasn't hard to find a men's basic haircut (no washing, no styling) for around $8. These days, the same level of cut is about $15.

$20 seems to be a mental barrier ... locally, that sounds to old-school guys (i.e. me) pretty expensive for a basic men's cut. I will be interested to see if the guy I go to (very old-school throwback kind of barber, no-frills shop) raises prices much.

 
If they are going to run an auction, I don't understand why it starts at double the standard price.  Seems like the market will get the price there naturally if there is a demand.  How many slots are being offered and for how long?  

If my regular barber attempted this I'd probably find a different shop.  

 
If we don't raise prices--we become extinct.
For a lot of places, this will be make-or-break. If the increase of prices drives down demand ... or if the jewelry store down the street can cut corners and undersell you by 10% ... not a good scene from any perspective.

If a whole lot of businesses end up raising prices, and almost no people have wage increases ... what's going to give?

 
I was speaking specifically about TN, which is where this auction is happening and barbers, who havent been working at all. Your 60% and what your furloughed co-workers are going through is meaningless in this context.  
It is all meaningful.   Do you think the cost of business for barbers post pandemic are the same as pre-pandemic?  How much does a gallon of bleach cost now versus before?  You think they will use the same capes over and over again after every cut--or do you think they will have to purchase far more?   LIfe for brick and mortar businesses just got a lot more complex and complicated.  You doing a quick google search and applying that to people's livelihoods is insulting and meaningless. People in the brick and mortar sector are not just dots on a graph.  I know that makes people that don't exist in our sector feel good to convince themselves that everything is just fine--but let me tell you-- the vast majority of us are getting slammed far more than you will ever digest. 

 
If my barber runs an auction for early access once this blows over... i'm going to pass and continue to wait until he returns prices to normal.  if he doubles the price and keeps it that way, i'm not going back as i would bet most, if not all, of his customers.
This is a good point -- whatever made your product/service worth $X on 2/22/2020 ... does it make your product worth $2X (or even $1.1X) on 8/1/2020? And will the general public -- especially after some time passes -- accept "COVID" as an viable reason?

 
To me, this is just dumb. Oh sure - you'll have people that will pay the auction fee or whatever. And they certainly have the right to do that, but it just leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. It just seems like a possible creation for controversy when you didn't really need to do it in the first place. They will be busy regardless. Seems like a cash grab for money NOW versus long term potential customer loss.

My guess is the tips barbers are going to receive coming out of this would have been excellent anyway, because people will want to help those people.   So this move just feels wrong to me.

 

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