Belichick - Does He Draw A Fine? (1 Viewer)

[glock]

That alone is the behavior of an ###. What don't you get?

No I get that. I said it in my post. If you're taking objection to Belichick putting his hands on another person to physically move them out of the way, then I understand. I agree it's sort of an ### thing to do and that in itself would have warranted an apology from BB, IMO.What Joe is saying is that Belichick deliberately grabbed the guy's camera and slammed it into his face. I think there is a big difference between those two things. There are, after all, varying levels of #######dom.

On purpose or with reckless abandon- don't make much nevermind to me. BB's demeanor says it all. Wether or not it was his intent to drive the camera into the photographer's face is something only he knows. Splitting hairs on it to this degree is sorta ludicrous.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Somewhere out there Kenny Rogers is laughing.

 

[Righetti]

i had a bigger issue with the half-hug he gave Mangini..

That was like meeting a fat chick drunk at a bar one night and the next morning you kick her out of the house without offering so much as a cup of coffee.. We all know he doesn't want to be seen flirting with fat-eric but he could have at least whispered a few sweet nothings in his ear.

 

[AB in DC]

I am still baffled at why Joe seems obsessed with the Patriots and Pats fans.

Looks like the poll in the other thread is about 50-50 between "he pushed the wrist" and "he pushed the camera". So according to Joe, all 50% who said wrist are blind?

Joe's got one serious blind spot here, and his repeated commentary on this thread -- to the point of accusing other people of blindness -- seems to prove it.

 

[Serenity Now]

I had Mike & Mike from whatever radio show on tv this morning while getting dressed and the 'other' Mike (not Golic, don't know his last name) was going on ridiculously about this incident. I just don't get all the fuss. It's only because the lack of a handshake or whatever from the last Jets game that this handshake was such a big deal. People seem to need to dredge up reasons to hate Belichick.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[GregR_2]

I had Mike & Mike from whatever radio show on tv this morning while getting dressed and the 'other' Mike (not Golic, don't know his last name) was going on ridiculously about this incident. I just don't get all the fuss. It's only because the lack of a handshake or whatever from the last Jets game that this handshake was such a big deal. People seem to need to dredge up reasons to hate Belichick.Much ado about nothing.

FYI, the radio show that Mike & Mike are from... is called Mike & Mike.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Anyone's that read this board knows I think Bill Belichick should go straight to the Hall of Fame. He's my #1 coach of all time.But for those that saw the replay, wondering what the feeling was on him shoving a camera guy out of the way that was doing nothing more offensive than standing there taking a photo of Mangini.I don't think I can recall a more flagrant camera guy chuck from an NFL guy in a while.Does he get a pass? Or does Goodell fine him?J

Major . By the head FBG to boot...

 

[Serenity Now]

I had Mike & Mike from whatever radio show on tv this morning while getting dressed and the 'other' Mike (not Golic, don't know his last name) was going on ridiculously about this incident. I just don't get all the fuss. It's only because the lack of a handshake or whatever from the last Jets game that this handshake was such a big deal. People seem to need to dredge up reasons to hate Belichick.Much ado about nothing.

FYI, the radio show that Mike & Mike are from... is called Mike & Mike.

Well yeah..that I know. It's what station they're from that I don't know. It's just simulcast on tv.Oh, and as for BB himself, he's quoted as saying this:"I do feel bad about that," Belichick said on Boston radio station WEEI. "I really didn't mean to hit him up high there. I was trying to just push him out of the way and get to Eric. It wasn't ... it certainly wasn't called for, so I ... I wish that hadn't happened." From ESPN.com

 

[Pat Patriot]

This one is better http://youtube.com/watch?v=GwDJ_7L8zi0

J

Notice how at 0:13, Mangini runs into almost the same situation and simply moves the cameraman aside. Yes, Bill was over the top. The one thing I cant understand is how people blame the cameraman for standing there. Sure he was in the way but i could could out at least 10 others who were guily of that. Seems pretty ridiculous for people to justify action in that situation. If Bill pulled out a pump-action and mowed his way through the crowd, would it still be the cameraman's fault? Good to see he apologized.

Mangini was facing the guy. This idiot Cameraman was standing DIRECTLY in front of Mangini in a circle of cameramen. Did he not know why he was there? That Belichek from coming from behind him for the handshake. The Cameraman overstepped his bounds.

 

[My_Favorite_Team_is]

I can't believe this is a four page thread and that I am adding to it yet again

 

[Borat]

Editorial in today's Boston Globe about it:

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Candid camera

By Brian McGrory, Globe Columnist | January 9, 2007

Way to go, Bill.

Your Patriots win another playoff game Sunday and what do you do? Here's what: You violently slam a camera right into the face of longtime Globe photographer Jim Davis, who was only doing his job.

And with that very public, very flagrant foul, you proved what so many right-thinking people all across New England already knew: Bill Belichick might be a genius on the gridiron; he might be the world's most proficient interpreter of game film; he might be an expert motivator. But, he's also a boor of the highest order.

For those who didn't see it, here's the scene. The Patriots beat the Jets in a deceptively close 37-16 game. The football-loving world wanted to witness the post game handshake between Belichick and New York coach Eric Mangini, Belichick's former understudy turned archrival.

Davis, camera to his eye, got caught in the media scrum that separated Belichick and Mangini as they walked toward each other, and never saw Belichick coming. As they got close, Belichick could have done a lot of things. He could have let his security detail clear a path. He could have paused and said something uncharacteristic like, "Excuse me." He could have jostled through the photographers.

He did none of the above. No, he swept his right arm across his body in roundhouse fashion, gripped the bottom of Davis' s camera, and gratuitously slammed it into Davis' s face. Davis staggered back. Belichick kept walking. The footage is available on Youtube.com.

This was the same coach who complained a week earlier about the hit that one of the Tennessee Titans had delivered upon Patriots defensive back Rodney Harrison. Perfect: One cheap - shot artist standing in judgment of another.

Belichick apologized to Davis yesterday, and Davis, the consummate professional, refuses to make a big deal of the incident. He's already thinking about the next game, the next shot, and doesn't want anything like this to get in the way. He's widely hailed as the best sports photographer in New England, and even after the encounter recovered quickly enough to get an unimpeded shot.

It's great that Belichick said he was sorry, but like Tom Finneran's apology in federal court, this is another one of those cases in which actions speak so much louder than words.

Belichick, in that brief instant in Foxborough, went after a guy's livelihood. He shoved a piece of metal equipment perilously close to Davis's eye. There's not a single member of the Globe's star-studded stable of photographers who hasn't been jostled while doing the job, but usually it's by some self-important minion, not by the big man himself.

Here's Belichick's problem, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he dresses like he's from Appalachia and has the personality of a wet mop: He thinks he's above everybody else. He treats every Sunday with more secrecy than the US generals handle our strategy in Iraq. He believes three Super Bowl championships give him immunity against moronity. They don't.

Believe me, I understand he's brilliant. I wouldn't miss a moment of next Sunday's game. I know that if they win, it's disproportionately due to painstaking work of the coach.

But why does it have to be an either/or? Why can't a model sports franchise like the New England Patriots have a coach who is both excellent and at least somewhat of a decent guy? Why can't Bob or Jonathan Kraft call him aside and teach him a modicum of class?

Belichick likes to say, with his typical terseness, "It is what it is." He's got that right.

When the footage shows the winning coach gratuitously slamming a camera into the face of a photographer who's covered the team all season, what it reveals is another pampered prince who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything but himself. That is not the Patriots way.

You won, Bill. Be happy. Your millions of adoring fans were.

It all makes you wonder: What would the guy have done if they lost?

Brian McGrory is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at mcgrory@globe.com.

Complete, total nonsense. Of course, it really comes as a total shock that a Globe columnist would slam Belichick, or misrepresent the feelings of a region that this particular paper lost touch with long ago.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I am still baffled at why Joe seems obsessed with the Patriots and Pats fans.Looks like the poll in the other thread is about 50-50 between "he pushed the wrist" and "he pushed the camera". So according to Joe, all 50% who said wrist are blind?Joe's got one serious blind spot here, and his repeated commentary on this thread -- to the point of accusing other people of blindness -- seems to prove it.

This is why I started the poll. It got to the point in the discussion with Joe where he would basically just keep seeing that I was incapable of watching a video and looking at it without drawing homer-biased conclusions abot it.

Again, if you need it spelled out for you in this level of detail, it's right there on video and isn't difficult. Camera guy is holding the camera with two hands. His right hand is on the right end of the camera. His left hand is on the lower left end of the camera. Almost like our friend here but with two hands... If looking at the camera lens from the point of view of the video and if you imagined the camera lens were a clock, the photographer's right hand was at 9 o'clock and his left hand was at about 4 or 5 o'clock.The youtube video at :14 and the very beginning of :15 clearly shows coach Belichick's right hand on the camera body below the lens with his thumb at about 7 or 8 o'clock and the rest of his hand under the lens from about 8 o'clock to 4 o'clock. You're not seriously saying you don't see that are you?

Well, so far in the poll, far less tan 50% agree with Joe's "perception" of the video. So either there are a huge # of blind Patriots homers in the SP, or Joe may just have to come to grips with the fact that his opinion is out of touch with the majority's, and he can't simply accuse everyone of being a homer rather than actually consider that he might be wrong.This is the best part:

I'm not sure if this is or scary. I'm leaning toward scary.

Check the poll Joe - let me know if you still think it's "scary" how blind I am.J

 

[aposulli]

Looks like the poll in the other thread is about 50-50...

Well, so far in the poll, far less tan 50% agree with Joe's "perception" of the video. So either there are a huge # of blind Patriots homers in the SP, or Joe may just have to come to grips with the fact that his opinion is out of touch with the majority's, and he can't simply accuse everyone of being a homer rather than actually consider that he might be wrong.

Someone should start a new poll.

A) He did it on purpose

B) He did it by accident

C) So what?

That way you'll both be in the minority

 

[lord_helmet]

I HATE the Pats, but I hate the media more. If they don't flock to Mangini like vultures to a carcass, but keep a respectful distance and use their zoomlenses the incident never takes place.. Its that simple

 

[AB in DC]

I'm the one who said that, but I still don't understand what aposulli is trying to say. I think he's more than he realizes.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Looks like the poll in the other thread is about 50-50...

Well, so far in the poll, far less tan 50% agree with Joe's "perception" of the video. So either there are a huge # of blind Patriots homers in the SP, or Joe may just have to come to grips with the fact that his opinion is out of touch with the majority's, and he can't simply accuse everyone of being a homer rather than actually consider that he might be wrong.

You're probably confused because I never said the first "quote" on top - look at my post at 7:04AM and you will see that I did not say that. My posts are a lot more consistent when you don't fabricate quotes that I never said. Thanks.