Benard Scott (1 Viewer)

[Child Please]

Sorry if there is a related post on this but, I feel like the past 3 seasons I have drafted Bernard Scott based on the potential I see. Am I the only one who keeps drafting this guy hoping that Marvin Lewis will take his head out of his ### and play him more? Benson runs like quicksand now, Scott has homerun potential and will be a nice dump off for Dalton. I think it was either Cecil or Waldman who thinks the Bengals just have a hatred for Scott and are afraid they will have to pay him should he succeed.

Is there something I am missing with Scott? His blitz pickup may not be top notch but there is no reason they shouldn't split carries in Cincinnati. Yes it was against the lowly Panthers but Scott looks sharp and to be the better back. Situation reminds me of KC, Charles/T Jones/Haley, except its Scott/Benson/Lewis albeit Scott is a poor poor man's version of Charles.

Anyone think Scott will finally get a shot this season to continue his 5+YPC average from 2010?

I will be taking him as a late round flier in PPR re-drafts and will continue to curse Lewis out until I see some changes. I think this is Scott's year and recommend taking him after the 11th round.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

He is probably only Benson injury insurance this year. I expect Benson to underwhelm again as the lead back and be sent on his way in 2012 after his one year contract is up, so next season I think Scott gets a shot to compete for for the starting gig. He won't be a workhorse, but he may be the lead back in a committee.

That, or the coaches continue the head in the sand routine.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If Cinnci does a lot of losing this season, I don't see why they couldn't give Scott a shot and see what he can do as the RB1...

I'm with you, they need to give this kid more carries..

 

[griff321]

Marvin Lewis still being the HC is indicative of how things are run in Cincy.

 

[griff321]

If Cinnci does a lot of losing this season, I don't see why they couldn't give Scott a shot and see what he can do as the RB1...I'm with you, they need to give this kid more carries..

Like last year? Loosing has zero bearing on the conversation when talking about Bengals personnel.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

If Cinnci does a lot of losing this season, I don't see why they couldn't give Scott a shot and see what he can do as the RB1...I'm with you, they need to give this kid more carries..

Like last year? Loosing has zero bearing on the conversation when talking about Bengals personnel.

Ridiculous isn't it?Maybe the difference this season will be that Benson isn't coming of his 2009 production. His 2010 production is less likely to keep the coaching staff enamored, and if the decline continues, maybe Scott gets his shot..

 

[Child Please]

Issue I always run into is drafting him then he rots on your bench. Come bye weeks and injuries you are forced to toss and turn over releasing him or praying Lewis gets it right.

For arguments sake lets say Scott takes over 75% of the rushing duties due to a Benson injury (or arrest). What would Scott's averages per game be (over say a 10 game stretch). Can he carry the ball 15 times a game and get 4-5 receptions? I guess he'll never be a goaline guy so it may be alot of 12 for 65 and 4 for 30 kinda days with no TD's right, unless he hits a homerun? I mean this is the Bengals.

Do you think he has the ability to be a high-end RB2+ or is his talent level RB3/Flex?

Then again I watch him and he is Charles/CJ2K lite with less speed/quickness but has the ability to go to the house anytime he touches it. Scott will always be a sleeper that ends up on my team because it would pain me to see him emerge finally and not reap the benefits.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Scott is a 27 yr old scatback

 

[griff321]

If Cinnci does a lot of losing this season, I don't see why they couldn't give Scott a shot and see what he can do as the RB1...I'm with you, they need to give this kid more carries..

Like last year? Loosing has zero bearing on the conversation when talking about Bengals personnel.

Ridiculous isn't it?Maybe the difference this season will be that Benson isn't coming of his 2009 production. His 2010 production is less likely to keep the coaching staff enamored, and if the decline continues, maybe Scott gets his shot..

God I hope so.Knowing how backwards the Bengals are, I bet when Benson finally bites the dust Brian Leonard will get the majority of the carries with Scott in a RBBC.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Disclosure: Scott dynasty owner

I'd love to see what he would do with 15-20 touches a game. A lot of people have written him off, but I think he'd excel. I grab him in a couple redrafts each year. I just don't think Cincy is smart enough to get him involved enough. I don't see their reasoning for keeping him off the field. Benson is a piece of junk IMO and would be simple to replace. Plodding, 3 yards, fall forward, slow backs are a dime a dozen...

 

[Hoosier16]

Is there something I am missing with Scott?

Eventually, an every down RB has to run between the tackle. None of Scott's runs in the last preseason game went up the middle. Defenses will evntually shut that down.

 

[Eminence]

How did Jamaal Charles become starter / get carries?

Injuries.

Who was starting in-front of Charles?

A plodder, Larry Johnson.

It's obvious that this league is still infatuated with 'big backs'. Unless Benson goes down with injury, you won't see Scott get a heavy dose of carries.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Disclosure: Scott dynasty ownerI'd love to see what he would do with 15-20 touches a game. A lot of people have written him off, but I think he'd excel. I grab him in a couple redrafts each year. I just don't think Cincy is smart enough to get him involved enough. I don't see their reasoning for keeping him off the field. Benson is a piece of junk IMO and would be simple to replace. Plodding, 3 yards, fall forward, slow backs are a dime a dozen...

A piece of junk? Seems reliable and also good in blitz pick up, might be important with a rookie. I really feel like those who are big Scott supporters just like him because he's the back up. It's like the back up QB who fans always think should be playing in front of the starter when he struggles. Scott has had chances and he does not move the sticks, it's that simple. He's a scatback and unfortunately in Cinci they don't have a high powered offense where a COP back can cone in and do some exceptional things. Benson takes about 300 carries a year, is not fumbling a lot, is not taking a loss every time he is given the ball despite a poor run blocking interior. I'm not ripping on you KD, just get tired of reading this. Bottom line...Cinci still has the same HC, they are not going to insert Scott as the starter unless Benson is injured or starts turning the ball over a lot. I just don't see the upside, in fact I cut Scott loose in dynasty as I have owned him as a handcuff for several seasons and he doesn't do much. In fact if Benson were to go down I would anticipate another RB to come in and shoulder the load if need be. Scott will never get a weekly diet of 15-20 touches.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Disclosure: Scott dynasty ownerI'd love to see what he would do with 15-20 touches a game. A lot of people have written him off, but I think he'd excel. I grab him in a couple redrafts each year. I just don't think Cincy is smart enough to get him involved enough. I don't see their reasoning for keeping him off the field. Benson is a piece of junk IMO and would be simple to replace. Plodding, 3 yards, fall forward, slow backs are a dime a dozen...

A piece of junk? Seems reliable and also good in blitz pick up, might be important with a rookie. I really feel like those who are big Scott supporters just like him because he's the back up. It's like the back up QB who fans always think should be playing in front of the starter when he struggles. Scott has had chances and he does not move the sticks, it's that simple. He's a scatback and unfortunately in Cinci they don't have a high powered offense where a COP back can cone in and do some exceptional things. Benson takes about 300 carries a year, is not fumbling a lot, is not taking a loss every time he is given the ball despite a poor run blocking interior. I'm not ripping on you KD, just get tired of reading this. Bottom line...Cinci still has the same HC, they are not going to insert Scott as the starter unless Benson is injured or starts turning the ball over a lot. I just don't see the upside, in fact I cut Scott loose in dynasty as I have owned him as a handcuff for several seasons and he doesn't do much. In fact if Benson were to go down I would anticipate another RB to come in and shoulder the load if need be. Scott will never get a weekly diet of 15-20 touches.

MOP, I respect your opinion and will agree to disagree. (I don't take things personally, so no worries.) I just think Benson is steady but not anything special. Heck, they could've signed Larry Johnson for the same effect. I have been frustrated with Cinci and believe Scott could excel. I still don't believe he's a scatback. Maybe this will finally be the year, but I think Scott deserves more carries. I would like to see 15+ touches, but I think he'd do well with any increase. I just feel he can do it, especially when I see other similar-sized guys given a chance.

 

[Sweet Love]

Disclosure: Scott dynasty ownerI'd love to see what he would do with 15-20 touches a game. A lot of people have written him off, but I think he'd excel. I grab him in a couple redrafts each year. I just don't think Cincy is smart enough to get him involved enough. I don't see their reasoning for keeping him off the field. Benson is a piece of junk IMO and would be simple to replace. Plodding, 3 yards, fall forward, slow backs are a dime a dozen...

A piece of junk? Seems reliable and also good in blitz pick up, might be important with a rookie. I really feel like those who are big Scott supporters just like him because he's the back up. It's like the back up QB who fans always think should be playing in front of the starter when he struggles. Scott has had chances and he does not move the sticks, it's that simple. He's a scatback and unfortunately in Cinci they don't have a high powered offense where a COP back can cone in and do some exceptional things. Benson takes about 300 carries a year, is not fumbling a lot, is not taking a loss every time he is given the ball despite a poor run blocking interior. I'm not ripping on you KD, just get tired of reading this. Bottom line...Cinci still has the same HC, they are not going to insert Scott as the starter unless Benson is injured or starts turning the ball over a lot. I just don't see the upside, in fact I cut Scott loose in dynasty as I have owned him as a handcuff for several seasons and he doesn't do much. In fact if Benson were to go down I would anticipate another RB to come in and shoulder the load if need be. Scott will never get a weekly diet of 15-20 touches.

MOP, I respect your opinion and will agree to disagree. (I don't take things personally, so no worries.) I just think Benson is steady but not anything special. Heck, they could've signed Larry Johnson for the same effect. I have been frustrated with Cinci and believe Scott could excel. I still don't believe he's a scatback. Maybe this will finally be the year, but I think Scott deserves more carries. I would like to see 15+ touches, but I think he'd do well with any increase. I just feel he can do it, especially when I see other similar-sized guys given a chance.

This situation reminds me a lot of the Jerome Harrison deal in Cleveland. Did not get chances with one staff, second staff gave him a chance (but reluctantly), and after he set the world on fire, he was given 1 week I believe in 2010 and the duties were passed to Hillis (yes Harrison was injured, but not bad at all), and then for his troubles, he was sent on his way in a trade and then was not retained by the Eagles. There is a reason they chose not to give Scott a chance in Cincy...I am not sure what it is and from reading the thread it is not really clear in the FF community, but my guess is that the starting RB for the 2012 Bengals is not on the roster this year.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

Scott showed that he can excel with a heavier workload in 2009 when Benson missed time. Small sample size, sure, but directly contradicts the opinion that he "cannot" carry the load or that he would be the lesser portion of a RBBC if Benson went away.

I see no reason that he cannot be the lead back in a RBBC, maybe 12-15 carries with 3-5 catches per game. I'm not sure the Cincy coaches see things that way, unfortunately.

 

[amnesiac]

there is a new offensive coordinator, so i suppose there is a possibility he gets a chance.

i'll hold him for one more year.

 

[T with T]

anyone who says he is a scat back is just a hater, he has not been given chance, and I have been thinking exact same thing. I think he should be given a shot to get more carries, that is total bs the way cinci runs benson for 3 yards and then he falls on air.. Scott is faster, seems like he is agile/good vision and has great home run speed.

 

[cvnpoka]

How did Jamaal Charles become starter / get carries?

Injuries.

Who was starting in-front of Charles?

A plodder, Larry Johnson.

It's obvious that this league is still infatuated with 'big backs'. Unless Benson goes down with injury, you won't see Scott get a heavy dose of carries.

dont forget that jamaal wasnt even the first replacement for larry. that nod went to kolby smith who outcarried charles 10-3, then 11-5 before getting dinged up in the next game resulting in the coaches having no choice but to begrudgingly use charles.

 

[cvnpoka]

Disclosure: Scott dynasty ownerI'd love to see what he would do with 15-20 touches a game. A lot of people have written him off, but I think he'd excel. I grab him in a couple redrafts each year. I just don't think Cincy is smart enough to get him involved enough. I don't see their reasoning for keeping him off the field. Benson is a piece of junk IMO and would be simple to replace. Plodding, 3 yards, fall forward, slow backs are a dime a dozen...

A piece of junk? Seems reliable and also good in blitz pick up, might be important with a rookie. I really feel like those who are big Scott supporters just like him because he's the back up. It's like the back up QB who fans always think should be playing in front of the starter when he struggles. Scott has had chances and he does not move the sticks, it's that simple. He's a scatback and unfortunately in Cinci they don't have a high powered offense where a COP back can cone in and do some exceptional things. Benson takes about 300 carries a year, is not fumbling a lot, is not taking a loss every time he is given the ball despite a poor run blocking interior. I'm not ripping on you KD, just get tired of reading this. Bottom line...Cinci still has the same HC, they are not going to insert Scott as the starter unless Benson is injured or starts turning the ball over a lot. I just don't see the upside, in fact I cut Scott loose in dynasty as I have owned him as a handcuff for several seasons and he doesn't do much. In fact if Benson were to go down I would anticipate another RB to come in and shoulder the load if need be. Scott will never get a weekly diet of 15-20 touches.

most of this is laughably wrong but woteva, haters gunna hate and so on.

 

[ChainsawU]

Monday roundup: Scott romps in new look

By GEOFF HOBSON | Posted Aug 29, 2011

Updated: 10 p.m.

The funny thing is, it was offensive coordinator Jay Gruden’s passing scheme that was supposed to unveil the breathtaking talents of Bengals running back Bernard Scott.

But Scott didn’t catch a pass in his 2011 debut Thursday night. Instead, he screeched for 63 yards on six carries, the last a stick-in-the-foot-reverse-field-12-yard touchdown run.

And, yes, the 5-10, 200-pound Scott loves Gruden’s running game, too.

“When you see it, you hit it. You don’t have to do too much reading. You can just go out there and play off your natural instincts,” Scott said. “The last offense it was like you had two or three different keys you needed to read. To me, I could just never let it loose. I was reading and trying to play perfect instead of just playing football.”

It doesn’t mean Scott is now drawing his own plays in the dirt.

“You still have your aiming point where the play’s designed,” he said, “But if it’s not there, I feel like it gives you the freedom to go out there and make plays.”

But Scott said he probably would have made the same move on the touchdown run last year because the entire Panthers defense was shifted to the right “and there was no place else to go," he said. "That’s what I try to do: just run to daylight.”

He feels like he can do that now, and he’s looking forward to that first catch because unlike the last two seasons, he’s got to be ready.

“The thing about this offense is that anybody can get the ball at any time,” Scott said. “Every pass play there’s a possibility the running back can get the ball. And it seems like he gets you in space so the running back is on a linebacker and most of the time the running back is going to win that one.”

 

[Kenny Powers]

In case you guys havent checked out his player page recently...

Bengals | Bernard Scott likes new scheme Tue Aug 30, 05:28 PM Cincinnati Bengals RB Bernard Scott is in favor of offensive coordinator Jay Gruden's new ground attack; he rushed for 63 yards on six carries in his debut last week. 'When you see it, you hit it. You don't have to do too much reading. You can just go out there and play off your natural instincts,' Scott said. 'The last offense it was like you had two or three different keys you needed to read. To me, I could just never let it loose. I was reading and trying to play perfect instead of just playing football.'Our view: Scott could emerge in the Bengals backfield as this offense is tailor made for his skill set. Cedric Benson is the team's starter but failed to impress much last year and could lose touches to the more explosive Scott.

Bengals | Marvin Lewis comments on Bernard Scott's PT Tue Aug 2, 02:00 PM Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis blamed himself for not finding RB Bernard Scott more touches last season.Our view: We expect Lewis to remedy that problem this year. Scott is an explosive back with big time playmaking ability. The Bengals need to use him more in 2011.

 

[DoubleG]

For those "holding" Scott in dynatsy leagues, a PSA of sorts:

Bernard Scott is only 1 year younger than Cedric Benson (Scott is 27, Benson 28).

Scott's dynasty value is about the same as his redraft value (i.e. only as high as a Benson injury or Benson losing the starting job outright). The starting RB for Cincy in 2013 probably isn't on their roster - and that might hold true for their 2012 starting RB too.

 

[mr roboto]

For those "holding" Scott in dynatsy leagues, a PSA of sorts:Bernard Scott is only 1 year younger than Cedric Benson (Scott is 27, Benson 28).Scott's dynasty value is about the same as his redraft value (i.e. only as high as a Benson injury or Benson losing the starting job outright). The starting RB for Cincy in 2013 probably isn't on their roster - and that might hold true for their 2012 starting RB too.

Fine by me. If Scott shows his stuff, he may go somewhere else without idiotic decision makers who will let him showcase his skills.

 

[Banger]

For those "holding" Scott in dynatsy leagues, a PSA of sorts:Bernard Scott is only 1 year younger than Cedric Benson (Scott is 27, Benson 28).Scott's dynasty value is about the same as his redraft value (i.e. only as high as a Benson injury or Benson losing the starting job outright). The starting RB for Cincy in 2013 probably isn't on their roster - and that might hold true for their 2012 starting RB too.

but wasn't Scott a rookie at like 24 after going to JuCo's or something like that? I don't believe he has near the typical 27 year old back tread wear...

 

[DoubleG]

For those "holding" Scott in dynatsy leagues, a PSA of sorts:Bernard Scott is only 1 year younger than Cedric Benson (Scott is 27, Benson 28).Scott's dynasty value is about the same as his redraft value (i.e. only as high as a Benson injury or Benson losing the starting job outright). The starting RB for Cincy in 2013 probably isn't on their roster - and that might hold true for their 2012 starting RB too.

but wasn't Scott a rookie at like 24 after going to JuCo's or something like that? I don't believe he has near the typical 27 year old back tread wear...

...and yet he still gets dinged up regularly. I don't feel like digging (perhaps someone else remembers?) - but there have been several articles/threads that indicate that age matters more than "wear" in terms of football production dropoff. Age has an effect on everyone - regardless as to how often they have been tackled. Like I said, it was a PSA (some simply assume that because he's the backup he's much younger). Actually the fact that he didn't break into the NFL sooner might be some indication of durability/ability. Just putting facts out there to help people make informed decisions.

 

[cvnpoka]

sure, being 27 suppresses his value somewhat, but if he actually has talent and is given an opportunity he will be fantasy relevant for at least a few years. i dont play dynasty so i dont know if thats a weak return or not.

Actually the fact that he didn't break into the NFL sooner might be some indication of durability/ability.

its actually an indication that he was a tremendous knucklehead throughout high school and early and middle college. racking up arrests and getting in numerous fights and getting kicked off teams. havent heard much on that front in the pros, but who knows if hes matured.

 

[HPD]

He's not even the 3rd down back on CIN, but his skill set seems to make him well suited for 3rd down work. Why? His poor blocking. Then factor in that he can't run between the tackles and is injury prone.

 

[travisio]

What does Benson serving his jail time now do to Scott's value? He should start week 1, no?

Benson in jail

 

[matttyl]

What does Benson serving his jail time now do to Scott's value? He should start week 1, no?

Benson in jail

Benson will likely be out of jail (with good behavior) for week 1. That's the only reason he decided to go in today I believe. While he'll be missing from all team activities from now until right about the day or two before the game, I think he'll still be heavily used in week 1.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

That's interesting I think it opens the door for Scott a little and it should be more of a committee in week1. If Scott can run with this opportunity it will force the bengals to use him more.

 

[GroveDiesel]

It will be interesting to see how Scott does tomorrow night against a pretty bad Indy run defense. It will also be interesting to see exactly how he's used. If he looks good, I could see the Bengals giving him a larger share of the carries starting in Week 1 with Benson not being able to fully prepare for the first game of the season.

The last 5 games of last year, Scott had 34 carries for 180 yards, or 5.2 yards per carry. Over those same games, Benson had 103 carries for 323 yards, or 3.1 yards per carry.

Scott is clearly the superior back. For the season he averaged 4.9 ypc while Benson averaged 3.5. Benson only had 4 games last year where he averaged over 4 yards a carry.

And yeah, ypc don't necessarily tell the whole story, but I think it tells us a lot here. It certainly tells us that Benson is not a very good RB and shouldn't be a starter.

 

[cvnpoka]

grove, i think you are poor at evaluating rbs. you should know that the ability to run into the line of scrimmage for minimal gain over 20 times a game is a highly valuable skillset.

 

[DoubleG]

That's interesting I think it opens the door for Scott a little and it should be more of a committee in week1. If Scott can run with this opportunity it will force the bengals to use him more.

Why? Benson is rumored to only have to spend a week in jail for good behavior...the same week most starters take it easy leading into preseason game #4 anyway. Benson has been with the team all through preseason and played in all 3 preseason games. Most starting players barely play week 4 anyway.

I don't see Scott getting anymore time in week 1 than he ordinarily would have gotten. In fact, I think sitting out a week+ during the bye week might have actually hurt Benson more than missing now...which is likely why he is doing so.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Peter King did say yesterday that he expects Goodell to suspend Benson for a couple games. King isn't a great fantasy source but he does have a sense of how the NFL operates. He only seemed to be speculating though. No insider info.

 

[MacGruber]

Peter King did say yesterday that he expects Goodell to suspend Benson for a couple games. King isn't a great fantasy source but he does have a sense of how the NFL operates. He only seemed to be speculating though. No insider info.

I was reading how Goodell hasn't suspended anyone because of lockout related offenses. I really don't know what's going on here. What are the chances he actually gets suspended and when would the suspension be announced if it happens?

 

[shader]

You kind of have to suspend a guy when he actually goes to jail for a week. I think it's a pretty good bet that Benson gets suspended.

 

[ChainsawU]

Cincinnati Schedule thru week 6:

1 @CLE

2 @DEN

3 SF

4 BUF

5 @JAC

6 IND

 

[djcali]

I picked him up, hope he's worth it. I dropped Andre Roberts because I was in need of 1 more RB. I'm in a keeper league and all the decent RB are kept. I still have AP, S. Jackson, Addai & P. Thomas

 

[mr roboto]

I picked him up, hope he's worth it. I dropped Andre Roberts because I was in need of 1 more RB. I'm in a keeper league and all the decent RB are kept. I still have AP, S. Jackson, Addai & P. Thomas

You'll know pretty early on one way or the other.