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Black Monday...or the Monday after the end of the NFL regular season (1 Viewer)

Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.

It showed egregious in-game management. At least do some type of play that is a 8 yard out or something and don't convert the 4th down. Instead they convert on 4th and 20. They did the Colts a favor by ensuring they won't get a franchise altering QB or numerous valuable picks for their 1.1
 
-Do we count interim head coaches that are released or not part of the ongoing interview process?
I think we can throw them in there - obviously will be new blood in Indy and Denver. Carolina is a maybe.

Not sure it will be the bloodbath in recent years, but will be interesting to see if Kingsbury, McDaniel and Rivera survive. I think Vrabel, Stefanski and Saleh are on the hot seat but will get another year. Bowles probably saved himself by winning the weak NFC South.
 
If Smith was fired because he wanted his team to play hard and win a game and lost the number one pick because of it,he doesn't want to stay in that organization.
Also,given the consensus that The Texans are looking for a qb in this draft,and the feeling this a very qb heavy/deep draft,they're going to get a highly rated qb at one or two.
Smith is a very well respected coach and person. He'll be working somewhere next year
 
Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.
Cause he lost the #1pick??
The NFL needs to have a lottery system for the draft. Maybe bottom 5 teams with a 35, 30, 20, 10, 5 percent chance of getting the #1 pick.

“Let’s make it all non playoff teams”
—- titans (and Alabama) fan
 
McDaniel is not being fired. Not having his starting QB for many games and the Dolphins still managed to get into the post season?

I don’t see him being fired.
 
If Smith was fired because he wanted his team to play hard and win a game and lost the number one pick because of it,he doesn't want to stay in that organization.
Also,given the consensus that The Texans are looking for a qb in this draft,and the feeling this a very qb heavy/deep draft,they're going to get a highly rated qb at one or two.
Smith is a very well respected coach and person. He'll be working somewhere next year
I can see Miami reaching out to him after they fire Josh Boyer as the DC, one of the all time worst defenses in recent memories for the Dolphins
 
Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.
Cause he lost the #1pick??
Coaches and players should always play for the win. It's ok to rest starters to prep for playoffs or to test out younger players, give them experience when the W no longer means anything more then good feelings...but the planning and the players on the field should ALWAYS be with the idea of trying to win.
Lovie had that team playing hard, and they remained competitive long after it was obvious they weren't going anywhere. NObody in their right mind had them winning more then 5 or 6 games with that roster...and that was preseason before anyone realized the NFCE would be a beast instead of least again. Not a Lovie fan, but he didn't deserve to get fired, and I hope no serious coach is willing to go in there and take that team with that ownership so unwilling to give them any time to change things. I'd fire the GM first...the roster is awful
 
I think that L. Smith knew that it was a one-year deal when he signed on. I do agree that it seems like they will be challenged to get a top candidate based on the operations over the past two years in particular. But, the team does always play hard and they win a few more games than expected.
 
-Do we count interim head coaches that are released or not part of the ongoing interview process?
I think we can throw them in there - obviously will be new blood in Indy and Denver. Carolina is a maybe.

Not sure it will be the bloodbath in recent years, but will be interesting to see if Kingsbury, McDaniel and Rivera survive. I think Vrabel, Stefanski and Saleh are on the hot seat but will get another year. Bowles probably saved himself by winning the weak NFC South.
Vrabs is sitting in a very comfortable recliner, no hot seat there. The second half of the season was horrible but he’s there at least a few more years unless he chooses to leave. This was his first losing season. He’ll need to address the physical fitness of his players, two years in a row of having the most injuries isn’t good.

Saleh should be comfortable too, at least for now.
 
If Smith was fired because he wanted his team to play hard and win a game and lost the number one pick because of it,he doesn't want to stay in that organization.
Also,given the consensus that The Texans are looking for a qb in this draft,and the feeling this a very qb heavy/deep draft,they're going to get a highly rated qb at one or two.
Smith is a very well respected coach and person. He'll be working somewhere next year
Just pure speculation, but perhaps with the expectation of building around a potential franchise QB, team brass may want more of an innovative offensive minded coach to help develop the kid. Agree that Lovie is very well respected and a very good defensive coach, but perhaps they want some new blood - Lovie is much more old school.
 
I think that L. Smith knew that it was a one-year deal when he signed on. I do agree that it seems like they will be challenged to get a top candidate based on the operations over the past two years in particular. But, the team does always play hard and they win a few more games than expected.
I want to expand on this and broaden the conversation about the Houston Texans and my inability to want to see them turn it around.

#1-Regardless of anyone's POV on DeShaun Watson, what the Texans did is almost unforgivable and I will explain why I feel that way...
Everything they are trying to put together(franchise QB, franchise Defender) they had all of this 2-3 seasons ago and pissed it all away.
Top 5 QB, HoF DE, Top 5-10 WR-Hopkins and they flushed it away however you want to look at it
It's difficult to understand how a Houston Texans fan could take them seriously or part with a single hard earned dollar over them.
You're gonna buy jerseys, hats and hot dogs to support this nonsense?

#2-The fact is the Texans do have the #2 pick and will likely be taking a franchise QB, most coaches want a chance to work with someone who has a bright future at QB
I think Houston would be better served building their OL/DL and other positions to be ready for a QB to come in and have success.
They have a strong young RB and a decent Left Tackle, they need 2 strong additions to this OL, pick a spot not LT. Build on Pierce at RB, bring in another strong prospect.
I think an offensive minded coach would jump on a chance for this situation even with poor leadership at the owner's desk and down thru the front office.

But I go back to #1 and why should anyone take the Texans seriously, even if they assemble talent together, they will systematically tear it apart from the inside.
I see an OC jumping on them, someone that has been looking for a chance to be a HC and there's a limited number of job openings.
 
2021 MCDC did something similar as Lovie Smith

2-13-1 and win the season finale (@ home v GB)

2021 Dolphins started out 1-7, won 8 of their last 9, fired Brian Flores
2022 Lions started out 1-6, won 8 of their last 10, love their HC

McDaniel was a great hire, like him a lot as a person. As a head coach, he has room for growth

Not exact comps of course. Just interesting comparisons.

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Campbell has cost the Lions games (at Vikings Week 3); suboptimal two minute drill [last night] but Rasul Douglas bailed them out with one of the strangest penalties of all time - walking up & swatting the ball. Turns a 48 yard FGA (likely will be a miss) into a 33 yarder to end the half.

End game Campbell was a masterclass. Appropriately aggressive instead of reckless. Two huge 4th down conversions to salt it away. Declines the offsides so they make the 3rd & 1 & run the clock.

MCDC has grown as a HC. Guys usually don’t get the chance to do that. Generally it’s git ‘er done or git out.
 
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Despite a stunning collapse and incredible offensive inepitude, I dont think Saleh is in trouble. He'll get a pass due to the O-line injuries, losing Hall and Wilson's incredibly suckitude.

But it will playoffs or bust next year for sure, and they obviously need a new QB in order to make that happen. I also wonder if ownership will require a scapegoat. Mike LaFleur is the obvious (and correct) candidate but he's Saleh's best friend's brother.

Very interested to see what kind of shakeups happen in Florham Park in the next few weeks.
 
2021 MCDC did something similar as Lovie Smith

2-13-1 and win the season finale (@ home v GB)

2021 Dolphins started out 1-7, won 8 of their last 9, fired Brian Flores
2022 Lions started out 1-6, won 8 of their last 10, love their HC

McDaniel was a great hire, like him a lot as a person. As a head coach, he has room for growth

Not exact comps of course. Just interesting comparisons.

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Campbell has cost the Lions games (at Vikings Week 3); suboptimal two minute drill [last noght] but Rasul Douglas bailed them out with one of the strangest penalties of all time - walking up & swatting the ball. Turns a 48 yard FGA (likely will be a miss) into a 33 yarder to end the half.

End game Campbell was a masterclass. Appropriately aggressive instead of reckless. Two huge 4th down conversions to salt it away. Declines the offsides so they make the 3rd & 1 & run the clock.

MCDC has grown as a HC. Guys usually don’t get the chance to do that. Generally it’s git ‘er done or git out.
That said, Playoffs or bust next year for him?
Cannot imagine a scenario where he is not retained or allowed to coach Year 3 next season
He's done an outstanding job and I truly believe Detroit has broadened their fan base or awoken some of their former fans
Somehow the QB position needs a boost. They have talent everywhere
I absolutely love Hutchinson and think he will be the next JJ Watt or potential HoF career type, franchise pass rusher, however you stack it up.
There's a lot of room for improvement on the Defense despite some young playmakers.
Should have an outstanding tandem at WR
2 fairly high draft picks in the 1st Round in April
I would be making Playoff Plans next year, good time to lock up season tickets
 
2021 MCDC did something similar as Lovie Smith

2-13-1 and win the season finale (@ home v GB)

2021 Dolphins started out 1-7, won 8 of their last 9, fired Brian Flores
2022 Lions started out 1-6, won 8 of their last 10, love their HC

McDaniel was a great hire, like him a lot as a person. As a head coach, he has room for growth

Not exact comps of course. Just interesting comparisons.

***********^****

Campbell has cost the Lions games (at Vikings Week 3); suboptimal two minute drill [last noght] but Rasul Douglas bailed them out with one of the strangest penalties of all time - walking up & swatting the ball. Turns a 48 yard FGA (likely will be a miss) into a 33 yarder to end the half.

End game Campbell was a masterclass. Appropriately aggressive instead of reckless. Two huge 4th down conversions to salt it away. Declines the offsides so they make the 3rd & 1 & run the clock.

MCDC has grown as a HC. Guys usually don’t get the chance to do that. Generally it’s git ‘er done or git out.
That said, Playoffs or bust next year for him?
Cannot imagine a scenario where he is not retained or allowed to coach Year 3 next season
He's done an outstanding job and I truly believe Detroit has broadened their fan base or awoken some of their former fans
Somehow the QB position needs a boost. They have talent everywhere
I absolutely love Hutchinson and think he will be the next JJ Watt or potential HoF career type, franchise pass rusher, however you stack it up.
There's a lot of room for improvement on the Defense despite some young playmakers.
Should have an outstanding tandem at WR
2 fairly high draft picks in the 1st Round in April
I would be making Playoff Plans next year, good time to lock up season tickets

They hold 5 of the first 82 picks; two 1sts and two 2nds. Don't think any of them will be a quarterback but I'll defer to Brad Holmes. He's a great talent evaluator.

Would love those five picks to include an IDL, CB, OG, CB/S, LB. We can win the division with Jared Goff. If they think there's a Patrick Mahomes out there they'll take one, but I'm good with continuing to build the team the right way (inside out) and win a division title with Alex Smith. Honestly don't think they need a QB nearly as much as they need more upgrades on defense.

D line played good down the stretch but two of the more significant pieces were waiver claims (Isaiah Buggs, John Cominsky.) Definitely need better coverage on the back line. We'll need an interior OL because Big V probably gets cut, and IDK if Ragnow will be ready first thing (plantar fasciitis both feet.) SS Elliott is on a one year deal, the starter Kerby Joseph replaced at FS (Tracy Walker) will be coming off achilles. Okudah got benched Weeks 16 and 17, was "hurt" (*wink wink* elbow) Week 18. Lots of needs in the defensive backfield. IDC about ILB but they need depth there as well, Anzalone and Rodriguez are good 2 down backers but terrible in pass coverage. Edge and OLB, we're set.

Have to make decisions on Chark on and Jamaal. TEs, whatever, just block and we'll give you some scraps once in awhile.

QB is just not really a position of need. Not as much as other pieces of the roster construction.
 
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Re: Lovie Smith


I was a contractor at Wells Fargo when they went through the mid-2010's scandal. It was (and it'd guess still is) a pretty lousy place to work.

A couple years after, I applied for another position there. The response to the recruiter was "Andy doesn't fit the culture here." That wasn't the insult they thought it was.

Lovie wasn't let go - he escaped.
 
I love what Lovie did. Coaches and players don't want to lay down, they are competitors, they work and train all year long. It's a slap in the face to them to put them in position to lose.

IMO, the Texans just showed again how classless they are. Firing him Sunday night, not even waiting until Monday.
 
I love what Lovie did. Coaches and players don't want to lay down, they are competitors, they work and train all year long. It's a slap in the face to them to put them in position to lose.

IMO, the Texans just showed again how classless they are. Firing him Sunday night, not even waiting until Monday.

who would want to work for that ownership? two years in a row hiring a placeholder. that's not a rebuild. they have no plan.
 
Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.

It showed egregious in-game management. At least do some type of play that is a 8 yard out or something and don't convert the 4th down. Instead they convert on 4th and 20. They did the Colts a favor by ensuring they won't get a franchise altering QB or numerous valuable picks for their 1.1
Exactly

The difference between having the #1 vs the #2 is huge in either player picked (sometimes anyway) or draft comp available in trade. Bordering on incompetence to win that game in that situation.

As a 49er fan, brought back bad memories of 2016. Chip Kelly going all out to win the last game of the season and losing the Myles Garrett sweepstakes or a chance to get some great draft comp for the pick. Chip was probably going to be fired anyway but that sealed his fate.

No victory in the last game of the season is going to change a franchise culture wise. When you need to lose to assure the #1 pick, lose dammit. You obviously suck anyway, so it's expected you will lose and nobody will call you out for it.
 
Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.

It showed egregious in-game management. At least do some type of play that is a 8 yard out or something and don't convert the 4th down. Instead they convert on 4th and 20. They did the Colts a favor by ensuring they won't get a franchise altering QB or numerous valuable picks for their 1.1
A lot of blame on the Texans, but how about the Colts DEF for letting it happen? I mean how many big plays/leads did they blow since Saturday took over? And not just the Minnesota game.
 
My Dark Horse Candidate to be fired, but maybe not today, but before next season is Mike Tomlin..

I think Steelers will want to go a different direction now.
 
Mike Tomlin would be unemployed for approximately one second.
Probably, but I feel him and Steelers might at least agree to a separation. I know we hear about Rooneys, but the younger Rooneys are taking more involvement in the team and the decisions and they really have no honor in Tomlin.
 
My Dark Horse Candidate to be fired, but maybe not today, but before next season is Mike Tomlin..

I think Steelers will want to go a different direction now.
I wouldn't want to be the guy who eventually fires him. Pretty menacing dude.
 
Mike Tomlin would be unemployed for approximately one second.
Probably, but I feel him and Steelers might at least agree to a separation. I know we hear about Rooneys, but the younger Rooneys are taking more involvement in the team and the decisions and they really have no honor in Tomlin.
He is signed through 2024 and has never had a losing season. There aren't too many 0% chances out there but this one is pretty close.
 
I'll never understand the Steelers fans hatred of "Tomlin's stupid never had a losing season" record

Like it's a bad thing, like he is what's holding them back
 
I'll never understand the Steelers fans hatred of "Tomlin's stupid never had a losing season" record

Like it's a bad thing, like he is what's holding them back
I can only wish my Dolphins were run and had the ownership and scouting department the Steelers have. And the stability?? Second to none.
 
I'll never understand the Steelers fans hatred of "Tomlin's stupid never had a losing season" record

Like it's a bad thing, like he is what's holding them back
I can only wish my Dolphins were run and had the ownership and scouting department the Steelers have. And the stability?? Second to none.

Ravens are close. Baltimore stacks up draft classes every year regardless of draft position.

That's why I'm hopeful about the Lions. We've had 9 win seasons after a bad year, usually because we got a weak *** schedule. This year we had the second toughest schedule. They went 9-8 on merit, not because they had one or two superstars. Building the team the right way, stacking draft classes.
 
Really can't wait to hear why Smith was fired. Team continued to play hard and the roster was terrible, Although I still don't understand losing the 1st pick.
Cause he lost the #1pick??
I doubt that's the reason, unless the front office told him to lose the game and guaranteed him he won't be fired if he did. Much more likely is that he already knew he was likely going to be fired so he had no incentive to tank.
 

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