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BMW sounds off against Pudinelli (1 Viewer)

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Good job BMW. See you next year on a real NFL team with NFL coaches. Pudinelli is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD.

The Detroit Free Press reports there he was, Lions WR Mike Williams, on the sideline in street clothes for the second week in a row. And after the Bears had finished scraping Lions off their cleats, Williams sounded off. "The way the organization is going under [coach Rod] Marinelli, it's going to need a poster boy for what's wrong," Williams said. "Every new beginning needs a poster boy for why the other way didn't work." Just call Williams the poster boy. Marinelli is all about hard work and discipline. Williams thinks he brings both. The Lions don't think so. The Lions have portrayed Williams as lazy and overweight. The only question is whether they are right. Williams said he respects Marinelli and offensive coordinator Mike Martz. But he also said neither had given him a reason for why he was inactive. "I've given up on trying to figure out what it is, or what it has been or what it's going to be," Williams said. "The only thing I look at is coming to practice and putting the maximum effort I can put into it. Y'all go ask the powers that be. I don't know what to say." Williams' complaint clearly goes beyond this week or even the coaching staff. There is a fundamental lack of trust between Williams and Matt Millen's organization. "That's what I've been labeled: the poster boy for the new regime and what's wrong in Detroit," Williams said. "It's chicken [bleep], but you keep working. Keep working because I'm a ballplayer. That's what I do. I play ball."

 
Yeah, Mike Williams is an extremely hard worker, willing to do anything to help the team. Marinelli and Martz just want to waste yet another top ten draft pick just because they need a "poster boy". It all make perfect sense.

 
Foosball God said:
Yeah, Mike Williams is an extremely hard worker, willing to do anything to help the team. Marinelli and Martz just want to waste yet another top ten draft pick just because they need a "poster boy". It all make perfect sense.
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Well so far Pudinelli/Martz is working. They are one of the worst teams in the NFL and employ CAREER backups at the WR positions excluding Roy Williams. A recipe for....well...LOSSES.Martz is a joke and can't adapt. He has no Holt/Bruse and is clueless without them. Furrey, yeah he scares.....NO ONE!!!!! DC's can't wait to feast on this band of total losers.
 
Capella said:
Pudinelli is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD.
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No he's not.Btw, LOD is moving up pretty fast in the SPDB Draft.
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Um, yeah he is. That team is going to implode. Pudinelli stresses that he wants hard work to earn playing time. So they sign Hakim and immediately throw this guy right in the mix with a couple days practice. Why? Because hard work is only meant for selected players. Favorites and suckups get to play. Double standard. The players are now seeing it and thus this team will implode. Another great hire by the failure called Matt Millen.BTW, I am in 1st place in my league do to my vast knowledge and incredible scouting/drafting ability.
 
I'd just like to say that someone who has never done squat at the pro level does not deserve a nickname until he does something good, unless it's derogatory. Or, wait, does that stand for #####ing mike williams?

 
Maybe instead of BMW his nick should be Yugo. As in "Yugo" stand over there by the gaterade table and stay out of the way of the football players.

 
I dunno what it would hurt to put BMW in there. I mean seriously, if you dont think he fits then cut or trade him. The one thing you dont want is a whiner bringing down the team or critizing the coaches. Same thing for Jerry Porter.

That being said, the Lions organization is a complete mess and has been for a very long time.

Everyone was quick to blame Harrington for the Detroit problems and the last two weeks have shown that this was not a QB issue but an organization issue.

 
I thought Chas. Rogers was the poster boy for what's been wrong in Detroit.

How long did it take for Big Fat Mike to make weight? You know some people think they are working hard and it's just not good enough.

Also, WTF is up with the "Pudinelli" thing. Did I miss a good story - 'cause unless there's some background behind that name, it sucks. That doesn't even make sense for an derisive nickname. MORONellli I could understand, or even MILLENelli if you think he's a shill for the guy who hired him, but what you're calling him is just lame.

 
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Mike Willimas comes to work...to bad he is always late!

Fined over "40" times his first 2 years for being tardy. I believe I read Willimas is playing for free this year after his fines are decucted. Sounds like a very mature ..hardworking player.

Put him out in the trash with Rogers...Oh ..Has SUPERSTAR Chuck Rogers signed on with anyone yet??

 
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It's mind-blowing that anyone could read this article and believe BMW's side of the story.

But I guess that's why lod's the one with the incredible scouting/drafting ability.

 
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From MLive

-Roy Williams said last week that he believed fellow wide receiver Mike Williams should be activated for the games. For the second consecutive week, though, Mike Williams was benched. Is there a potential problem growing here?

Roy Williams is entitled to his opinions, of course, but he's undercutting the credibility of the coaching staff by making it sound like Mike Williams is fully prepared to play in a game. He's not. The coaching staff doesn't trust him yet, which is why they signed free agent Az Hakim. It's true that Mike Williams is practicing harder and with more consistency -- that's what probably sparked Roy Williams' comments -- but he still has a ways to go.

This is not a personality conflict or some kind of punishment. If the Lions coaches felt Mike Williams could help them win, he'd be on the field.

-Well, Corey Bradford got benched and Hakim only saw the field for one or two plays against the Bears, so what's going on at receiver overall?

The coaches are trying to find out who knows what they're doing and who's any good. Unlike previous regimes, they won't simply stick with starters because they're starters. Mike Furrey played better than Bradford so Furrey is going to play. There are probably other positions where they'd like to make some changes, but they only have so many options.

 
I will give BMW one thing, Marinelli/Martz stressed how imprortant practice is and then at the end of the week Martz said it was the best week of practice BMW has had, then come game day he is inactive and a guy that was signed earlier in the week with 2 practices in gets to dress and play. He is young and he is frustrated, at least he is displaying some passion, indifference would be the ultimate bad omen for him. I think Marnielli and Martz do need to get on the same page reagrding him. If he can't dress over a player that was out of football last week then he should not be on the team.

 
Al Czervik said:
From MLive

-Roy Williams said last week that he believed fellow wide receiver Mike Williams should be activated for the games. For the second consecutive week, though, Mike Williams was benched. Is there a potential problem growing here?

Roy Williams is entitled to his opinions, of course, but he's undercutting the credibility of the coaching staff by making it sound like Mike Williams is fully prepared to play in a game. He's not. The coaching staff doesn't trust him yet, which is why they signed free agent Az Hakim. It's true that Mike Williams is practicing harder and with more consistency -- that's what probably sparked Roy Williams' comments -- but he still has a ways to go.

This is not a personality conflict or some kind of punishment. If the Lions coaches felt Mike Williams could help them win, he'd be on the field.

-Well, Corey Bradford got benched and Hakim only saw the field for one or two plays against the Bears, so what's going on at receiver overall?

The coaches are trying to find out who knows what they're doing and who's any good. Unlike previous regimes, they won't simply stick with starters because they're starters. Mike Furrey played better than Bradford so Furrey is going to play. There are probably other positions where they'd like to make some changes, but they only have so many options.
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:goodposting:
 
From the article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...EWS99/309170003

"I feel it will get better before it gets worse," he said. "I'll just keep working. That's one thing nobody can deny is how I approach, how I handle situations. As frustrating as it is, and whether it is fair or unfair, there is no room in this game for pissing and moaning."
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That's like Matt Hasselbeck last saying, "not to make excuses, but ...." :lmao: J

 
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Spartans Rule said:
It's mind-blowing that anyone could read this article and believe BMW's side of the story.But I guess that's why lod's the one with the incredible/scouting drafting ability.
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I would like to believe BMW's side of the story, but he has ended up in the doghouse with multiple coaching staffs. Mooch was fed up with him, so was Jauron, and now Marinelli has deactivated him. In the end, TALENT always wins out. If BMW was talented he would get another chance, just as losers like K-Rob continue to get chances. BMW would be playing if he brought some skills to the table. But he must be lacking in that area to have so many coaches leave him on the bench. I've seen flashes with BMW but they are far too rare. I remember the DET @ CHI 10/15/05 game where BMW beat his man to make a one-handed catch at full speed that would have resulted in a 44yd gain. It was the type of play that only an elite WR could make. But then the ref make a poor call for offensive pass interference and the play did not stand. The game was tied 7-7 at that point and the Lions would go on to lose 38-7. And I honestly have not seen one standout play from BMW since that day.
 
wombat104 said:
I will give BMW one thing, Marinelli/Martz stressed how imprortant practice is and then at the end of the week Martz said it was the best week of practice BMW has had, then come game day he is inactive and a guy that was signed earlier in the week with 2 practices in gets to dress and play. He is young and he is frustrated, at least he is displaying some passion, indifference would be the ultimate bad omen for him. I think Marnielli and Martz do need to get on the same page reagrding him. If he can't dress over a player that was out of football last week then he should not be on the team.
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Exactly. It seems Hakim is exempt. Maranelli/Martz:Martz: Let's get Hakim in there right away. Who needs practice. Maranelli: Wait, I think we told them that practice is what gets you playing time.Martz: I don't care what you say, I have my eyes on your job.
 
Spartans Rule said:
It's mind-blowing that anyone could read this article and believe BMW's side of the story.But I guess that's why lod's the one with the incredible scouting/drafting ability.
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I knew he was lying when Maranelli said that you have to have a good week of practice to suit up and then Hakim comes in for 2 days and suits up. Yep, you know what you are talking about. Maranelli is a clueless dolt.
 
The Lions are attempting to turn Mike Williams into something he is not. He is a dependable weapon, although he lacks the speed of a #1 WR, that should be utilized. I think Maranelli will right the ship in Detroit, but he is going to need the skills of Mike Williams. I don't get to see the guy in practice, and if he is a lazy bum, then screw him, the money has gone to his head. One more reason to lower the pay-scale for first round picks.

 
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BoulderBob said:
The Lions are attempting to turn Mike Williams into something he is not.
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I don't think they're trying to turn him in to anything. They would have cut him if they could afford to, and they will cut him when they can afford to. They're more concerned with the players who are going to be with the Lions for the foreseeable future.
 
Spartans Rule said:
BoulderBob said:
The Lions are attempting to turn Mike Williams into something he is not.
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I don't think they're trying to turn him in to anything. They would have cut him if they could afford to, and they will cut him when they can afford to. They're more concerned with the players who are going to be with the Lions for the foreseeable future.
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I just don't understand why they would do this. He obviously shouldn't have been picked as early as he was, but I was always impressed with his ability to hold onto the ball, and his size of course. He isn't the proto-type WR or TE, but with an accurate QB like Kitna throwing the ball, his presence in the red-zone would benefit the team. Telling him to lose 30 pounds doesn't seem like the smart thing to do, it's not as if he is going to gain a step on CB's in this league. BMW has a huge frame, a frame that can hold 240+ pounds without question. Trying to turn him into a Holt or Harrison just isn't going to work. Maybe he isn't keeping his nose clean, and he has serious off the field issues stemming from his year off, but I'd hope the Lions aren't simply giving up on Mike Williams.
 
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New article on FMW.

Source: MLive

Column/analysis: M.Williams has to learn to do it Marinelli's way

Thursday, September 21, 2006

By Tom Kowalski

ALLEN PARK -- Mike Williams appears to have a problem with numbers.

The Detroit Lions second-year wide receiver has made several statements over the last week that simply don't add up. There has been a buzz about Williams because the former first-round draft pick has not been activated for Detroit's first two games and many people are questioning why, including Williams.

Here's a look at the numbers with which Williams apparently has some difficulty:

- Zero: That's the amount of times Williams says the Lions coaching staff has talked to him about what he's doing wrong and why he isn't playing.

However, sources confirm that three coaches on the staff -- head coach Rod Marinelli, offensive coordinator Mike Martz and receivers coach Kippy Brown -- have all spelled out to Williams, on several occasions, exactly what he's doing wrong and where he needs to improve.

Two of those conversations occurred within the last two weeks.

- 220: That's the target weight the Lions have assigned to Williams, but he's had difficulty reaching it. Williams gets fined twice a week for each pound that he's over the limit.

Williams played at around 230 pounds last year, but the Lions want him faster, quicker and in better condition for the rigors of Martz's offense. Williams did get down to the high 220's recently but at his most recent weigh-in, he was back up to 233.

- $400,000: Williams has repeatedly denied a newspaper account that he has fined that much because he was overweight and either missed or was late to meetings. At different times, Williams has gone from saying he was fined only a couple of times, to saying it was $60,000 and then, recently, upping that total to about $130,000 when he said the story's number was "three times" what he'd been fined.

Once again, however, several sources have confirmed that Williams was fined more than $400,000.

- Three digits: That's the passing system used by Martz in his offense (each number represents a route to be run by the three designated receivers). Martz's offense can be complicated, not because of the system itself, but because he has so many different plays in the playbook, he demands that each receiver run each route with precise timing and to its proper depth and angle.

The coaching staff has been extremely disappointed with Williams' effort to learn the offense and execute his routes the proper way. Sources say it's apparent to the coaching staff that Williams is not studying the playbook as hard as he needs to and there's no confidence that, if he's put into a game, Williams will be able to handle his responsibilities.

Given all of that, Lions management is still running into a public relations nightmare because the team has scored only one touchdown in two games -- both losses -- and the argument of "Play Mike Williams, he couldn't do any worse" has some validity.

There are some analysts who believe the Lions are toying with Williams or trying to punish him. The fact is that Marinelli doesn't want to compromise the standard he's setting for the entire team.

Remember, this is a coach who, when he was with Tampa Bay, benched Pro Bowl defensive linemen Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice on third downs because he didn't like the way they were playing the run on first and second downs. If those players wanted to rush the quarterback -- and get those valuable sacks -- they were going to have to do it Marinelli's way and play the run, too. It worked.

Marinelli has said he isn't trying to teach Williams a lesson, but he really is: Hard work gets rewarded. In Marinelli's mind, it's probably not a lesson, but a way of life.

It's this simple: Marinelli isn't going to allow Williams to dictate to the coaching staff how hard he's willing to practice. Whether Williams is inactive for a game or catches three touchdown passes, Marinelli wants him to return to work on Monday with the same level of professional consistency. He's believes that's how winners are built and he's not going to change his ways.

While it's true that Williams has been practicing better, he's still not close to doing what's being demanded from the coaching staff. That should've been apparent to everyone, including Williams, when the Lions signed free-agent receiver Az Hakim and, after a week of practice, activated him for a game -- ahead of Williams.

Hakim played for Martz for four years with the St. Louis Rams and Martz knows what he can count on from Hakim in games and in practices. Hakim has a track record.

So does Mike Williams -- and that's the problem.

 
I have talked to people who are in the know.

Mike Martz runs fast paced practices for the WRs, their routes are longer than most. I was told Williams is totally gassed after 3-4 routes, while guys like Furry and Bradford can run all day.

That right there tells the tale!

 
Da Guru said:
I have talked to people who are in the know. Mike Martz runs fast paced practices for the WRs, their routes are longer than most. I was told Williams is totally gassed after 3-4 routes, while guys like Furry and Bradford can run all day.That right there tells the tale!
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Thats kinda scary actually. Honestly I dont think I'd be gassed after only 3-4 routes of running hard. Im not a competative athelte of any sort. But jeez. 3-4 routes, even long ones shouldnt gas any NFL wr or te.
 
lod2005 said:
Martz is a joke and can't adapt. He has no Holt/Bruse and is clueless without them.
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Whats a joke is expecting a coordinator to step in and turn a pathetic offense into a juggernaut in less than 6 months. How about a bit more time than 2 games before we declare someone clueless?
 
brakeyawself said:
Da Guru said:
I have talked to people who are in the know. Mike Martz runs fast paced practices for the WRs, their routes are longer than most. I was told Williams is totally gassed after 3-4 routes, while guys like Furry and Bradford can run all day.That right there tells the tale!
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Thats kinda scary actually. Honestly I dont think I'd be gassed after only 3-4 routes of running hard. Im not a competative athelte of any sort. But jeez. 3-4 routes, even long ones shouldnt gas any NFL wr or te.
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Mike Williams is a lazy fat tub of goo but is still more talanted than Furry and Bradford.
 
lod2005 said:
Gambino said:
lod2005 said:
BTW, I am in 1st place in my league do to my vast knowledge and incredible scouting/drafting ability.
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:lmao: Due you think you might be taking this just a bit too seriously, seriously?
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Take a look at my team. :yes:
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who was your first rd pick?who was your 2nd rd pick?your draft was not very strong. you were lucky on some picks and you are bragging about it. you had no value whatsever in your draft. but kudos for being #1 in your very competitve league, swammy
 
Incogneto said:
lod2005 said:
Gambino said:
lod2005 said:
BTW, I am in 1st place in my league do to my vast knowledge and incredible scouting/drafting ability.
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:lmao: Due you think you might be taking this just a bit too seriously, seriously?
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Take a look at my team. :yes:
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in your sig? That's F'ing awful..just SPEEDING up the cheatsheet....I agree with Otis. Awesome value pick.
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Yeah, I knew it was awful when I looked at the standings and saw that I had scored the most points in the league, was 2-0 and ranked #1 in the league. I know one thing. It's infinately better than any hack team you could ever put together.
 
srnohav said:
lod2005 said:
Gambino said:
lod2005 said:
BTW, I am in 1st place in my league do to my vast knowledge and incredible scouting/drafting ability.
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:lmao: Due you think you might be taking this just a bit too seriously, seriously?
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Take a look at my team. :yes:
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who was your first rd pick?who was your 2nd rd pick?your draft was not very strong. you were lucky on some picks and you are bragging about it. you had no value whatsever in your draft. but kudos for being #1 in your very competitve league, swammy
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Dynasty league. Grabbed Frank Gore while the rest of people like you slobbered over Cadillac Williams, Benson and Brown. Looks like I knew what I was doing. Grabbed DLO, G. Jennings and Mike Bell this year. Eli Manning the eyar before along with Reggie Williams, who poeple like you laughed at. Who's laughing now? Me. 3 1st rd pick in the 2007 draft. You would finish dead last in our league.
 
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