wraith5
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Sure, now the cavalry arrives...Why more people can't see this coming, I don't know.
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Brandon Jacobs getting closer.... (1 Viewer)
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Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
thanks for making this clear, i thought we'd never hear the truth. u guys should go work for the giants organization, u could've told them this last year when they could have had ward starting instead of jacobs before he got hurt, silly coughlin, u could've saved them a lot of trouble.[/sarcasm off]Not saying Jacobs is the next Jim Brown but if you think Ward makes it throught he season healthy you're crazy.
this troubles me a lot as to why they didn't go with ward, from what we've seen so far of ward the opinion i quoted above seems to be closer to the truth. so i did some digging and i found that the knock on ward is he's just not that smart and is assessed as having trouble understanding complicated playbooks. also he was known to have not so good hands, especially on short dump offs which was specifically mentioned. this was the assessment of him coming out of college. he missed a lot of playing time due to eligibility issues at fresno state, so he transferred to ottawa for his senior year and had a great year it seems. when he played it seems he was a good back, but i guess in the nfl it requires some brain factor. i dunno, maybe he has shown enough to buck the critics. we'll just have to wait and see.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Oh, so it is ridiculous myopia. I get it now. Thanks.
Big Score
Footballguy
The whole "Thunder & Lightning" thing was in the Fassel era.Coughlin did have Dayne the 1st year he became the Giants Head Coach, but Tiki got 322 carries + 52 receptions while Dayne saw only 52 carries & 1 reception. The next year Coughlin got rid of Dayne.
HB Brandon Jacobs (knee) and HB Derrick Ward (ankle) both practiced on a limited basis yesterday. "(Jacobs) has just been cleared to practice, so we are just going to gradually work him in a little bit more; more conditioning work, that type of thing," said Coughlin. "Ward was…limited…and hopefully should be ready to go."
"I did a little running and cutting, I got a little burst out in the field," said Jacobs. "I stopped toward the end because it got kind of stiff on me…Maybe not this week, but definitely next week. I feel great, I feel better than some of the guys playing right now. I feel like I can play this week, but I don’t get very much input into that decision.
"I did a little running and cutting, I got a little burst out in the field," said Jacobs. "I stopped toward the end because it got kind of stiff on me…Maybe not this week, but definitely next week. I feel great, I feel better than some of the guys playing right now. I feel like I can play this week, but I don’t get very much input into that decision.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Seriously... where are the posters who said Big Blue will not be able to move the ball w/ouy Tiki... you guys don't want to defend you comments?
10th in the League in Total Yardage / 12th in pts scored / Tied for 3rd for 3rd DNs made / 4.6 Team avg YPC
Yeap; the loss of Tiki crippled the Offense....
10th in the League in Total Yardage / 12th in pts scored / Tied for 3rd for 3rd DNs made / 4.6 Team avg YPC
Yeap; the loss of Tiki crippled the Offense....
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Let's please stick to the topic, which is Jacobs/Ward, and their workload. Barber is retired and not relevant.Thanks.Seriously... where are the posters who said Big Blue will not be able to move the ball w/ouy Tiki... you guys don't want to defend you comments?10th in the League in Total Yardage / 12th in pts scored / Tied for 3rd for 3rd DNs made / 4.6 Team avg YPCYeap; the loss of Tiki crippled the Offense....
Ward is playing.What I gather is he has a bunch of nagging "oh my it's rough being the starting RB" injuries like most rooks get. I wouldn't worry about him just yet. It is his first time carrying this much and they ran him alot last week.He is "fragile freddy" or napoleon kaufman like as far as injury prone guys go but I don't think there's anything to worry FF folks just yetETA check out Gilbride's presser at Giants.com, Coughlin's too but Gilbride seems to talk more on Ward.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
That's a good question. I would have to think Droughns would carry the load. Maybe he is the sneaky pick up this week.
Here OZ
http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=25970
snip eli stuff
Q: Have you made any adjustments to your scheme with Derrick Ward stepping up for Brandon Jacobs, or are you doing the same exact stuff you would have done if Brandon was in there?
A: It is the same scheme generally. What you do is you wind up emphasizing different things within your system and trying to take advantage of things that you think he does well. He has also given some quality play. He has averaged some good yards per carry. And then last week we gave him the ball a ton. And he carried it up against a tough defense that had an extra guy in the box. We wanted to run the ball as much as we could to help solve some problems that were showing up in the passing game. And I think he did that for us.
Q: Even though it is Derrick Ward’s first year playing a lot, have you been able to tell that he has been around the team for awhile, knows the system? Those mental mistakes probably aren’t there like they would be for a younger guy.
A: I think that is very accurate. We always knew that he could play. The biggest problem is that he has been hurt. He has been hurt every year. Right now, knock on wood, he has been able to fight through whatever problems he might have had and he has played good football for us. But I don’t think there is anybody, player or coach, that would be surprised by his effectiveness. It is just a matter of him having had an opportunity. And because of the injuries he hasn’t had one. But now he does. And I think he has responded the way we all kind of thought he would.
snip plax stuff
Q: Do you have the makings of a running back controversy? Is there such a thing?
A: I hope that is a problem that we get everybody going and healthy and ready to play because during the course of the season – Tiki has been an exception the last couple of years – where he has been able to survive all of what is required at that position. But most people are playing with two running backs. So for us to have two, maybe even three that can play (I think we have four to be honest with you) and feel good about.
Q: It has to be a little tough for Brandon. He goes in and has six carries. Six carries later now he is wondering, “Are my number of carries going to take a hit now?”
A: All I tell him is that it is a long season. And if anybody has shown that it is a long season it has been Derrick, who has had to suffer through injury-prone seasons. So you just hang in there. You keep the faith and hopefully the chance is going to come back for you. And it is going to come back because he has enough ability. You are going to get him in there. He is going to play. And then you just go according to the flow of the game or the circumstances that determine who is in there. That is the situation…… situations of the game, but it is also injuries. Guys get nicked.
http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=25970
snip eli stuff
Q: Have you made any adjustments to your scheme with Derrick Ward stepping up for Brandon Jacobs, or are you doing the same exact stuff you would have done if Brandon was in there?
A: It is the same scheme generally. What you do is you wind up emphasizing different things within your system and trying to take advantage of things that you think he does well. He has also given some quality play. He has averaged some good yards per carry. And then last week we gave him the ball a ton. And he carried it up against a tough defense that had an extra guy in the box. We wanted to run the ball as much as we could to help solve some problems that were showing up in the passing game. And I think he did that for us.
Q: Even though it is Derrick Ward’s first year playing a lot, have you been able to tell that he has been around the team for awhile, knows the system? Those mental mistakes probably aren’t there like they would be for a younger guy.
A: I think that is very accurate. We always knew that he could play. The biggest problem is that he has been hurt. He has been hurt every year. Right now, knock on wood, he has been able to fight through whatever problems he might have had and he has played good football for us. But I don’t think there is anybody, player or coach, that would be surprised by his effectiveness. It is just a matter of him having had an opportunity. And because of the injuries he hasn’t had one. But now he does. And I think he has responded the way we all kind of thought he would.
snip plax stuff
Q: Do you have the makings of a running back controversy? Is there such a thing?
A: I hope that is a problem that we get everybody going and healthy and ready to play because during the course of the season – Tiki has been an exception the last couple of years – where he has been able to survive all of what is required at that position. But most people are playing with two running backs. So for us to have two, maybe even three that can play (I think we have four to be honest with you) and feel good about.
Q: It has to be a little tough for Brandon. He goes in and has six carries. Six carries later now he is wondering, “Are my number of carries going to take a hit now?”
A: All I tell him is that it is a long season. And if anybody has shown that it is a long season it has been Derrick, who has had to suffer through injury-prone seasons. So you just hang in there. You keep the faith and hopefully the chance is going to come back for you. And it is going to come back because he has enough ability. You are going to get him in there. He is going to play. And then you just go according to the flow of the game or the circumstances that determine who is in there. That is the situation…… situations of the game, but it is also injuries. Guys get nicked.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
September 28, 2007
How much did Brandon Jacobs do today?
Brandon did everything.
How did he look?
He looked okay. He moved around pretty good.
So he will be ‘probable?’
No, he will stay questionable.
That is the kind of thing that on Sunday morning you might make a decision on it?
In all likelihood it will come down to that.
Even if he could go would it be more likely you would have to split him a little bit with Derrick Ward?
Definitely. He just obviously needs the work.
Is there a danger with that kind of injury if you rush back?
We have to take all those things into consideration obviously.
Derrick Ward is ok to go?
Ward was sore today again. We worked him yesterday and he was sore today. I expect he will be, but we didn’t work him today.
Do you feel like that is a position in flux right now?
I think it is better than that. I think it is better than that.
***snip***
You don’t sound real worried about running back, do you think Ward will be ok?
Yeah. We have had practice this week with (Reuben) Droughns and (Ahmad) Bradshaw and (Derrick) Ward and Brandon (Jacobs) has had snaps throughout the week and took pretty much everything today in a limited number of snaps. We just hope between now and game time it gets better. It should get better between now and game time.
The contingency plan is to have Droughns to play more halfback?
Well, he has done that. He did that. Really he has done that for a couple of weeks now. He has done more halfback with Hedgecock here.
How much did Brandon Jacobs do today?
Brandon did everything.
How did he look?
He looked okay. He moved around pretty good.
So he will be ‘probable?’
No, he will stay questionable.
That is the kind of thing that on Sunday morning you might make a decision on it?
In all likelihood it will come down to that.
Even if he could go would it be more likely you would have to split him a little bit with Derrick Ward?
Definitely. He just obviously needs the work.
Is there a danger with that kind of injury if you rush back?
We have to take all those things into consideration obviously.
Derrick Ward is ok to go?
Ward was sore today again. We worked him yesterday and he was sore today. I expect he will be, but we didn’t work him today.
Do you feel like that is a position in flux right now?
I think it is better than that. I think it is better than that.
***snip***
You don’t sound real worried about running back, do you think Ward will be ok?
Yeah. We have had practice this week with (Reuben) Droughns and (Ahmad) Bradshaw and (Derrick) Ward and Brandon (Jacobs) has had snaps throughout the week and took pretty much everything today in a limited number of snaps. We just hope between now and game time it gets better. It should get better between now and game time.
The contingency plan is to have Droughns to play more halfback?
Well, he has done that. He did that. Really he has done that for a couple of weeks now. He has done more halfback with Hedgecock here.
Q: The talk for many months were that Reuben Droughns and Brandon Jacobs were going to form a two-man backfield this season. Reuben has now taken a back seat. He has said, “Look, I just want to help the team.” Has his attitude been good throughout?
Coughlin: “Excellent. His attitude and his demeanor are all positive and they are all about team. To the honest with you, he is going to get more (rushing attempts).”
Coughlin: “Excellent. His attitude and his demeanor are all positive and they are all about team. To the honest with you, he is going to get more (rushing attempts).”
circelli17
Footballguy
Bri, who said that post you clipped? Coughlin?
Ward is listed as questionable this week and Clayton's injury report states that he expects Droughns to start...
Ward is listed as questionable this week and Clayton's injury report states that he expects Droughns to start...
Coughlin at Giants.com1st is transcript, 2nd is eisen's coughlin cornerETA like I said earlier(and IIRC Gilbride above too) it seems like Ward is just banged up not used to the banging of that position. He doesn't seem "hurt hurt"
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and now Boldin is doubtful
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The real bad thing is they play Sunday night.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
From the NY media this AM:
Jacobs said: “It’s not my week to jump out there. I’ll wait until next week.”
Coach Coughlin on the other hand said he isnt sure yet.
Jacobs said: “It’s not my week to jump out there. I’ll wait until next week.”
Coach Coughlin on the other hand said he isnt sure yet.
following this up with this saturday article:Reuben Droughns is ready to take carries after last week's addition of fullback Madison Hedgecock allowed him to concentrate more on the tailback spot. And there is Ahmad Bradshaw, Westbrook's other scout-team alter ego.
Droughns, though, has become more of a short-yardage guy. Bradshaw, while shifty, is a rookie.
It would be best for all concerned if Ward can operate at full efficiency, and even better if Jacobs showed up to take even a few carries from Ward, who has proved himself an able fill-in with 273 yards on 54 carries.
Jacobs said he won't rush it, though, and definitely won't force the issue with the trainers and doctors.
He'll go with the better-safe- than-sorry approach.
"You don't want to be out another two or four weeks because you aggravate it again," Jacobs said. "You never know the way things might go.
"As much as I want to play, competitive edge and all that, I won't talk them into playing. I'm not that kind of guy. The doctors are the professionals in the training room, so I leave it in their hands."
With both Jacobs and Ward questionable - though coach Tom Coughlin said Ward is expected to play - the depth of the running game could be tested. Droughns, the owner of both Giants rushing touchdowns this year, would love nothing more than to play guinea pig tomorrow.
He'd even relish a 25-carry load, as Ward handled last week.
It's not like he hasn't done that in the past. He's had eight career games where he has had 25 or more carries and 100 or more rushing yards. The last time he did it came on Oct. 29, when he carried 33 times for 125 yards and a touchdown for Cleveland against the Jets.
Last year also marked his first sub-1,200-yard season in the last three years.
"I've done it before," Droughns said. "I'm very prepared for it. It's nothing I can't handle. I'll be excited about it.
"You prepare for it all year. You do what you have to do to get through it, regardless."
As for Jacobs, if he doesn't play this week, he said he'd happily be up for some action next week against the J-E-T-S.
"Oh, I'm playing against the Jets next week," Jacobs said.
In the meantime, acting like Westbrook the last two days had its own benefits.
"I just tried to get out, get in football shape," Jacobs said. "Make a few cuts out in the open field. I haven't done that in a couple of weeks. That's the only reason why I did it.
"I hope I helped the defense out. I hope they were able to see him from here (holding his hands at his waist) down. See those moves and picture him doing it."
Squinting Cyclops
Footballguy
Ward is rushing...very well at that.Who's rushing?
Jacobs=Jacobs from last season....Ward=Tiki from last seasonWard is rushing...very well at that.Who's rushing?
yinzer
Footballguy
Jacobs will get more carries than he did last year because I'd say he'll be a featured back on some drives. Ward will probably end up getting 12 carries or so a game I'd say, sometimes more sometimes less.I see this as very similar to MB3/JJ is Dallas, but less TD's for Jacobs because he'll probably get less RZ opps.Jacobs=Jacobs from last season....Ward=Tiki from last seasonWard is rushing...very well at that.Who's rushing?
