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RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (1 Viewer)

For those of you considering starting T. Tracy, it seems like many are counting on dumpoffs from Devito since BALT is so tough against the run. I decided to look up what Devito has done in terms of passing to RBs:

In one game with Devito, Tracy had 4-28 this year.

Last year, Barkley was still around. This is what I see starting with the week Devito started against the NYJ:

* 3-0-0
* 3-23-0
* 1-5-0
* 4-57-2
* 1-6-0
* 3-15-0

Outside of that one game where Barkley got the 2 TDs, looks a bit shaky.
 
More data on Ravens allowing receptions to RBs:

* S. Barkley: 2-10-0
* JK Dobbins: 3-19-0
* N. Harris: 4-30-0; J. Warren: 4-27-0
* C. Brown: 9-52-0
* J. Williams: 2-42-0
* R. White: 6-72-2
* A. Ekeler: 4-47-0
* C. Brown: 3-8-1
* J. Cook: 1-9-0
* R. Dowdle: 3-24-0
* Z. White: 3-14-0
* I. Pacheco: 2-33-0

Outside of the C. Brown and R. White games...two teams that love to dump off to the RB...not a heck of a lot going on.
 
Rolling with him in my RB2 spot because my other guys are injured or also stuck in bad matchups.

I don't like the matchup this week, but 3 or 4 catches for 15-20 yards is halfway to double figures already in PPR. He's likely to get at least 30-40 rushing yards, with some probability of a TD. 10-12 points in PPR seems like a reasonable projection. Last two blowout losses for NYG were...

11/24 vs. TB - 42 rushing yards, 4 receptions, 28 receiving yards (11.0 points in PPR)
10/20 vs. PHI - 23 rushing yards, 3 receptions, 9 receiving yards (6.2 points in PPR)

If that's the floor then I'll take my chances in lieu of other great options. Game script looks really bad for rushing/TD purposes, but that stuff does not always go 100% according to plan, and we also have to account for the possibility of him busting off a lucky TD at some point.

NYG are a bad team. Have been all season. However, Tracy is efficient and dynamic. His role in the offense ensures decent usage every game.

He's not a premium start this week, but you could do worse.
 
It’s him or Sincere for me. I didn’t think twice about sitting Tracy until right now. But he did pretty well against the Steelers (20 for 145 1td). Even though the giants are far worse than they were in week 8 i guess.
 
Doubles said:
It’s him or Sincere for me. I didn’t think twice about sitting Tracy until right now. But he did pretty well against the Steelers (20 for 145 1td). Even though the giants are far worse than they were in week 8 i guess.
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Hard for me to bench Tracy for Sincere considering Tracy is the promising rookie with a longer track record. It's real tough.
 
Running with Sincere next week God willing. This Devon Singletary crap is getting old. Likely won’t have my bottle of Charbonnet available so I will have to pivot. Think Sincere is due for a ramp up. Can’t wait to see him in action tonight.
 
He had a 68% snap share yesterday compared to 34% for Singletary. I'm still rolling him out next week.
 
georg013 said:
Running with Sincere next week God willing. This Devon Singletary crap is getting old. Likely won’t have my bottle of Charbonnet available so I will have to pivot. Think Sincere is due for a ramp up. Can’t wait to see him in action tonight.
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Thankfully sat him, but Singletary not going away makes it difficult to start him. Seems like Singletary may get the goal line carries.

Will be watching Sincere closely tonight.
 
Ray Barboni said:
Chaka said:
georg013 said:
Well, that was short lived.
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Because?
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Probably because Singletary got a TD? Doesn’t make sense though - Tracy is the man there.
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68% to 34% snap share last week so I'm not worried. But the 14 to 11 touch opportunities share I can see as disappointing.

I think Tracy managers, like myself, miss Daniel Jones far more than the Giants do. Jones may not have been a good QB with the Giants but, he has all the physical attributes of a legit NFL starter (not talking about between the ears). To a degree he kept defenses honest. Lock, DeVito and Boyle are just invitations to stack 11 guys in the box.
 
Chaka said:
Ray Barboni said:
Chaka said:
georg013 said:
Well, that was short lived.
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Because?
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Probably because Singletary got a TD? Doesn’t make sense though - Tracy is the man there.
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68% to 34% snap share last week so I'm not worried. But the 14 to 11 touch opportunities share I can see as disappointing.

I think Tracy managers, like myself, miss Daniel Jones far more than the Giants do. Jones may not have been a good QB with the Giants but, he has all the physical attributes of a legit NFL starter (not talking about between the ears). To a degree he kept defenses honest. Lock, DeVito and Boyle are just invitations to stack 11 guys in the box.
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oh I agree … I was merely trying to make sense of what the other guy was saying “short lived about”
 
The Giants have a lot of picks (8) and two in the 3rd round (65) and (99). They are in play, though, to move up to the number one pick overall and have the flexibility to move up or down the board. They could pick up more picks if they desired. I feel they are (want) moving up for Cam, but that is just my opinion. I do not think they have a specific plan to get a running back in the draft, but should the board play out that way, they could. If they pick up a back, I suspect it will be late. I thought they would have addressed the position more in free agency if they were so inclined.

Tracy has a ton of ability for a 5th-round running back, and his pass-catching ability should keep him in the mix. A younger, shifty back with more wiggle and maybe more speed could be interesting for them. I suppose it depends on how they plan to use their backs.
 
scothawk said:
In dynasty I would sell pre draft and then take some other guys from this RB deep draft
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Finding a buyer might be difficult for two reasons. The class is deep at the position, and people are nervous about the Giants drafting a back. I think he is more of a buy than a sell, at least if we are discussing pre-draft trading.
 
osubuckeyeman said:
scothawk said:
In dynasty I would sell pre draft and then take some other guys from this RB deep draft
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Finding a buyer might be difficult for two reasons. The class is deep at the position, and people are nervous about the Giants drafting a back. I think he is more of a buy than a sell, at least if we are discussing pre-draft trading.
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Totally agree its difficult to find a buyer. My statement was the best case scenario. Right now getting draft capital for him is difficult - maybe you could get a good starting IDP. After the NFL draft, well, it will be more clear for sure, Whether that is good or bad ........
 
Tracy will tun 26 in only his 2nd season
Tracy ran for a whopping 830 yds last year and people are questioning whether the Giants might take a RB in this very deep and amazing RB class
Maybe the best class we've seen since the year Chris Johnson burst on the scene for the Titans

Dev Singletary prior to last season was a yearly 1,000+ yds combined alomost all of his previous seasons in the NFL and the Giants were excited to have him
He slowly lost his starting spot to Tracy but again i don't see Tracy as a Top 5-10 type RB

The Giants have no QB to speak of right now, they need all the firepower at RB they can get to take some heat off the passing game, they can't just roll Tracy and Singletary out there after going 3-14, that's just shortsighted thinking IMHO.

Tracy and Singletary have similar numbers when you compare, plenty of room for an RB1 to come along and take the starting job
I'm not pointing fingers at any one poster so don't be offended, I'm offering up a different POV
I would expect there to be a new RB in camp for the Giants, they need all the offense they can muster
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Tracy will tun 26 in only his 2nd season
Tracy ran for a whopping 830 yds last year and people are questioning whether the Giants might take a RB in this very deep and amazing RB class
Maybe the best class we've seen since the year Chris Johnson burst on the scene for the Titans

Dev Singletary prior to last season was a yearly 1,000+ yds combined alomost all of his previous seasons in the NFL and the Giants were excited to have him
He slowly lost his starting spot to Tracy but again i don't see Tracy as a Top 5-10 type RB

The Giants have no QB to speak of right now, they need all the firepower at RB they can get to take some heat off the passing game, they can't just roll Tracy and Singletary out there after going 3-14, that's just shortsighted thinking IMHO.

Tracy and Singletary have similar numbers when you compare, plenty of room for an RB1 to come along and take the starting job
I'm not pointing fingers at any one poster so don't be offended, I'm offering up a different POV
I would expect there to be a new RB in camp for the Giants, they need all the offense they can muster
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With all due respect, the numbers you are putting forward don't paint a completely accurate picture.

You referenced Singletary as "yearly 1,000 yards combined" but cite Tracy's 830 rushing yards as mediocre. Tracy's combined yardage from last year totaled 1,123.

Tracy also only started 12 games. Using those 12 games as a benchmark, his "start every game" pace was 1,147 rush yards and 297 pass yards, or 1,444 total yards.

Of course, Tracy's 5 fumbles (4 in games he started) must be mentioned as well.

Tracy's age isn't that big a deal for real-life considerations. He's in the second year of a 4 year contract...Giants aren't going to cut him on a cheap deal unless he's truly awful. And with a college career as a WR, he doesn't have the wear and tear of a career RB.

The Giants may very well draft a running back, but there are a lot of variables at play for the Giants. If they draft a rookie QB (Sanders?), and that QB sees the field sooner rather than later, will the coaching staff trust a rookie RB with pass protection? Time and again, this is the deciding factor in playing time.

All in all, Tracy is no guarantee of anything, but the same can be said for most RBs in his general class.
 
rschroeder1 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Tracy and Singletary have similar numbers when you compare, plenty of room for an RB1 to come along and take the starting job
I'm not pointing fingers at any one poster so don't be offended, I'm offering up a different POV
I would expect there to be a new RB in camp for the Giants, they need all the offense they can muster
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With all due respect, the numbers you are putting forward don't paint a completely accurate picture.

You referenced Singletary as "yearly 1,000 yards combined" but cite Tracy's 830 rushing yards as mediocre. Tracy's combined yardage from last year totaled 1,123.

Tracy also only started 12 games. Using those 12 games as a benchmark, his "start every game" pace was 1,147 rush yards and 297 pass yards, or 1,444 total yards.

Of course, Tracy's 5 fumbles (4 in games he started) must be mentioned as well.

Tracy's age isn't that big a deal for real-life considerations. He's in the second year of a 4 year contract...Giants aren't going to cut him on a cheap deal unless he's truly awful. And with a college career as a WR, he doesn't have the wear and tear of a career RB.

The Giants may very well draft a running back, but there are a lot of variables at play for the Giants. If they draft a rookie QB (Sanders?), and that QB sees the field sooner rather than later, will the coaching staff trust a rookie RB with pass protection? Time and again, this is the deciding factor in playing time.

All in all, Tracy is no guarantee of anything, but the same can be said for most RBs in his general class.
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"With all due respect, the numbers you are putting forward don't paint a completely accurate picture.
You referenced Singletary as "yearly 1,000 yards combined" but cite Tracy's 830 rushing yards as mediocre. Tracy's combined yardage from last year totaled 1,123."

And I quote from my post where I clearly said "Tracy and Singletary have similar numbers when you compare"
Look at Dev Singletary https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00.htm
Close or over 1,000 yds combined most seasons, last year injuries also played a role but he clearly was losing snaps to Tracy

And I stand by my post, had Tracy on many rosters last season, don't think he's trash but I also don't believe he has any kind of lock on the job
If he is No 1 on the depth charts at this moment, only because there isn't stiffer competition, that's gonna change IMHO
They have Nabers and he looks sensational at times, they need a dynamic RB that can strike fear into defenses and take pressure off whoever eventually is taking snaps there
Just my opinion
 
He beat out Singletary as a rookie .. It’s his backfield for now. We’ll see what they do in the draft but Singletary is no threat to Tracy.
 
Tracy won the job last year and slightly fumbled it back, but the Giants aren't going into the year with just Tracy, Singletary, and Eric Gray. There'll be another back there for sure from the draft or free agency.

But yeah, Singletary is nowhere near the athlete Tracy is. Singletary's testing is abysmal. Tracy is an athlete and it shows. Doesn't mean he has a lock on the job at all, but out of the three I mentioned, Tracy is clearly the best back and had a bit of a lockdown on the position, winning it as a fifth-round rookie.
 
Tracy vs Hampton
Tracy vs Skattebo
Tracy vs Judkins
Tracy vs Johnson
Tracy vs Henderson
Tracy vs Harvey

And I'm simply pointing out that a lot of RBs in this Draft class are being graded out in the Top 100
Doesn't mean they all will be selected but there's as many as 10-11 out of the Top 100 prospects, this is the year for a lot of teams to make a significant upgrade in their backfield without having to spend a lot of money or draft capital, that's going to be too much to resist for some teams
 
FantasyGuru24 said:
He beat out Singletary as a rookie .. It’s his backfield for now. We’ll see what they do in the draft but Singletary is no threat to Tracy.
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Singletary and his guaranteed contract and Daboll's affection for him might end up being the best thing that happens to Tracy's value this off-season. Might all be just enough to lower the priority for RB to if they are the BPA on day 3 kind of thing.
 
Maybe I'm in the minority, but was Tracy good last season? I felt like he was a guy with big play ability, but who went down pretty easily, and for a former WR, wasn't anything special as a pass catcher. That's not even getting into his fumbling problem. I thought he had a couple nice games when he first started getting work, and then quickly fell off.

Hopefully he fixes the fumbling issue. If he doesn't and they go with him and Winston, this is gonna be the most turnover prone offense in a long time.

As to the point @Ministry of Pain made, there are about 10 RBs in this draft, that could absolutely push/split/beat out Tracy. He didn't even mention guys like Sampson, Neal, or even Giddens. Hell, what if NYG don't like how picks 1-2 go, and they trade down, that puts Jeanty on the radar in my eyes. I'd just be really shocked if NYG went in with Tracy/Singletary, in this deep of a RB draft that feels highly unlikely. Even guys like Devin Neal or DJ Giddens in round 4 are legit threats.

ETA: To me, Tracy is a sell right now, to anyone who thinks he's got the clear starter, all it takes is one person to believe.
 
I like Tracy. I think the Giants have other needs than to spend real draft capital on another running back. He fumbled one time in the last six games, so I don't think it's a major concern headed into week 1. Of course, RB is a fluid position in the NFL, so anybody drafted could be a threat for the job. Most backs are two bad games away from the bench. But whoever the Giants draft would be nearly as likely to lose the job if they get it, or fall back into a committee.

Nobody should be targeting a running back on a bad team, but if that's the route you take, I think Tracy is as likely to succeed as anyone else, with "succeed" meaning something like 1000 rushing yards, 50 catches and a half-dozen scores if healthy. He wasn't far from those numbers last year, and I'd hope there would be a marginally more respect for the passing game in 2025. I think that would help any running back.
 
A.Thomas - LT 26th/81 on PFF 1st Rd pick in '20
J.Runyan - LG 58th/77 on PFF, was a FA they signed in '24, 3yr/$30M, didn't get a lot for their money on this one
JScmitzh Jr -C 28th/40 on PFF, 2nd Rd pick in '23
G.Van Rotten - RG 42nd/77 on PFF, 35 yrs old, really should not be.a starter right now
Eluemunor - RT 53/81 on PFF, free agent brought in from Vegas last year

Draft Bust...Evan Neal 1st Rd of '22 and cannot fill out a starting spot on this team, should at least be able to compete and win a starting LG/RG spot but so far no dice.
The Giants need an OL makeover and they have spent draft capital, Two 1st and a 2nd round pick on what should be 3 decent starters on their OL
None of the picks has really produced at a high level.

Does anyone think the Giants can pass protect for Russ better than other QBs that have worn a Giants uniform recently?
I see the Giants wanting to make a renewed commitment to running the football so Russ doesn't drop back 40x a game, they really will get waxed fast if they try that approach
I think the Giants will need a strong 2-back approach with Russ at QB.
Wilson is not going to run a wide open playbook.

If 1,000 total yds and 6 TDs is all you are striving for on offense from your starting RB, what are the other options to move the football when you are wheeling out Wilson at QB?
Giants Draft picks
3-34-65-99-104-154-219-246

They have big needs on the OL and also could use a new DT/IDL types which this draft is loaded with.
At No 3, you sorta need to fill that QB need even with Russ starting there for the moment. Sanders could go right here, they also can grab a QB in the early 2nd like Milroe/Dart
It would be a waste of.a 3-pick to burn it on OT/OG/OL, nobody really rates that high. Mason Graham is a Top 5 DT...but it's a deep class and they can easily fill that in the 2nd or early 3rd
I have a feeling Hunter will be there at No 3 and that might be what they grab for the upside and possible dual threat even though it doesn't address their biggest needs

I would focus on the area of the late 3rd/early 4th where they hold the 99 and 104 pick, there will be some great RBs available in that section, by that point the blue chips at OL/DL are gone
But there are plenty of skill guys including RB that have major upside for many of these teams in the NFL, Giants included
I love Tracy and what he brought to my FF teams last year but I'm a realist and this HC and GM are fighting for their jobs, they only won 3-4 games last season, nobody's job is safe right now
I expect the Giants to add some firepower into their back field
 
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