RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

Maybe it's just a reflection that people don't trust Tracy.

Guy who came out of nowhere (Tracy) vs. guy who was a college media darling (Skattebo).

I thought Tracy looked good last season. Skattebo has potential as well, but I'm inclined to think TT might be undervalued right now.

A concern for both of them is that this probably isn't going to be a great offense, but you can't be too selective with your RB2/RB3 in FF.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Tracy round 6
Scat Round 11

Seems right

 

[Keith R]

Tracy round 6
Scat Round 11

Seems right

Ours (12 team) was
Tracy 6.05
Scat 9.03

Thought Scat went a little early

 

[travdogg]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

 

[Chaka]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

I mean, Tracy was pretty much more productive than Tony Pollard across the board last year. Both of them on really bad teams, too.

 

[travdogg]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

I mean, Tracy was pretty much more productive than Tony Pollard across the board last year. Both of them on really bad teams, too.

Pollard's team greatly upgraded at QB and OL, and his touch competition is on IR. Maybe 1 of those things is true for Tracy.

 

[BlackCrowes]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

why would Skattebo take 3rd downs from a converted WR? Pass catching is one of Tracy's strengths.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

why would Skattebo take 3rd downs from a converted WR? Pass catching is one of Tracy's strengths.

Because Skattebo is better at it

 

[travdogg]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

why would Skattebo take 3rd downs from a converted WR? Pass catching is one of Tracy's strengths.

Because Skattebo is better at it. He's one of the best pass catching RB prospects in recent history. Tracy has the WR background, but it didn't really translate as a rookie.

I'm expecting Tracy to have about a slight edge week 1. But for it to be 50-50 pretty quick.

 

[TripItUp]

I think Skattebo will steadily win touch share as the season progresses. Could be a great buy low or waiver wire add if he is eased into the season.

 

[EBF]

If Tracy had an identical rookie season, but had been picked in the 1st-2nd round instead of the 5th last season, I think there would be more reluctance to assume that a 4th round rookie RB was going to nudge him aside right away. There's a middle ground between being too reactive and not reactive enough. It's still possible Tracy will be a long-term JAG, but a lot of these posts are pretty quick to gloss over what he accomplished last season.

We have some pretty compelling evidence that his game translates to the NFL whereas it's still a pure projection with Skattebo. Skattebo himself is not regarded as an elite talent (high 4th round pick). It's a bit of a stretch to assume he's going to be better, though it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Given how cheap they both are, I don't think it would be malpractice to insure your Tracy pick by also rostering Skattebo. At the same time, the burden of proof is very much on the rookie and not the guy who already looks like he can play (and already beat out Devin Singletary last season).

 

[wgoldsph]

All the off-season noise that I've heard has the order go Tracy > Singletary > Skat. It's crazy that we're having a conversation about a player still behind Singletary.

My thoughts? Nyg has one elite wr and not much else as a pass catching option. Both rbs should get a handful of targets a game. For ppr it should be enough for both to bring flex value (garbage stats still count) but make it hard to pinpoint which one leads the backfield that week.

That said, I think Tracy has more of "it" than Skat does.

 

[BlackCrowes]

If Tracy had an identical rookie season, but had been picked in the 1st-2nd round instead of the 5th last season, I think there would be more reluctance to assume that a 4th round rookie RB was going to nudge him aside right away. There's a middle ground between being too reactive and not reactive enough. It's still possible Tracy will be a long-term JAG, but a lot of these posts are pretty quick to gloss over what he accomplished last season.

We have some pretty compelling evidence that his game translates to the NFL whereas it's still a pure projection with Skattebo. Skattebo himself is not regarded as an elite talent (high 4th round pick). It's a bit of a stretch to assume he's going to be better, though it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Given how cheap they both are, I don't think it would be malpractice to insure your Tracy pick by also rostering Skattebo. At the same time, the burden of proof is very much on the rookie and not the guy who already looks like he can play (and already beat out Devin Singletary last season).

Yep. 4.4 YPC in that offense? Barkley hadn't beat that since 2019

 

[Chaka]

Tracy's no longer available in the 7th. Most of the mocks I'm seeing, he's a 5th to early 6th now.

That's wild to me. That's like Tony Pollard territory.

Tracy feels like maybe the most overvalued RB to me. Skattebo may not take the starting job (though he might) but he'll take GL for sure, and likely 3rd downs as well.

Tracy should be going in like round 10 in my eyes. I think Skattebo is the better talent, and while Tracy should begin the year as the starter, Skattebo likely ends it. I don't know I'd take either in the 1st 8 rounds.

why would Skattebo take 3rd downs from a converted WR? Pass catching is one of Tracy's strengths.

Because Skattebo is better at it. He's one of the best pass catching RB prospects in recent history. Tracy has the WR background, but it didn't really translate as a rookie.

I'm expecting Tracy to have about a slight edge week 1. But for it to be 50-50 pretty quick.

Why do you say that? His catch % is only 71.7% but, do we have no forgiveness for being on the receiving end of passes from Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, Tommy Devito & Tim Boyle?

In six starts with Jones he caught 82.4% of his targets but at only 5.4 ypc. In seven games with Lock, Devito & Boyle that went down to 66.7%, although the ypc went up to 8.4. And it looks like the New Orleans (Lock) and Baltimore (Devito+Boyle) games stand out as real outliers overall. Obviously they all count equally but those two games (10-5-38-0 & 4-1-4-0 (targets, catches, yards, TDs)) brought his catch % from 86.1% (36 targets 31 receptions) at 7.6 y/r down to 71.7% & 7.4 y/r

All in all, didn't he do pretty well?

 

[footballpanda]

All the talk about Skattebo and it’s easy to forget he was a 4th round pick. If he didn’t have a catchy name or play in a highly watched bowl game would anyone talk about him? It’s not like Tracy was getting 300 carries anyway.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If Tracy had an identical rookie season, but had been picked in the 1st-2nd round instead of the 5th last season, I think there would be more reluctance to assume that a 4th round rookie RB was going to nudge him aside right away. There's a middle ground between being too reactive and not reactive enough. It's still possible Tracy will be a long-term JAG, but a lot of these posts are pretty quick to gloss over what he accomplished last season.

We have some pretty compelling evidence that his game translates to the NFL whereas it's still a pure projection with Skattebo. Skattebo himself is not regarded as an elite talent (high 4th round pick). It's a bit of a stretch to assume he's going to be better, though it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Given how cheap they both are, I don't think it would be malpractice to insure your Tracy pick by also rostering Skattebo. At the same time, the burden of proof is very much on the rookie and not the guy who already looks like he can play (and already beat out Devin Singletary last season).

This is an excellent take. When you add in some of the glowing camp reports, Tracy seems like a candidate to be one of those guys who has a big year and we look back and wonder why he was overlooked in drafts.

 

[rockaction]

If Tracy had an identical rookie season, but had been picked in the 1st-2nd round instead of the 5th last season, I think there would be more reluctance to assume that a 4th round rookie RB was going to nudge him aside right away. There's a middle ground between being too reactive and not reactive enough. It's still possible Tracy will be a long-term JAG, but a lot of these posts are pretty quick to gloss over what he accomplished last season.

We have some pretty compelling evidence that his game translates to the NFL whereas it's still a pure projection with Skattebo. Skattebo himself is not regarded as an elite talent (high 4th round pick). It's a bit of a stretch to assume he's going to be better, though it's certainly within the realm of possibility. Given how cheap they both are, I don't think it would be malpractice to insure your Tracy pick by also rostering Skattebo. At the same time, the burden of proof is very much on the rookie and not the guy who already looks like he can play (and already beat out Devin Singletary last season).

This is an excellent take. When you add in some of the glowing camp reports, Tracy seems like a candidate to be one of those guys who has a big year and we look back and wonder why he was overlooked in drafts.

Adding running back depth is something the Giants had to do but I get the distinct feeling (and every job should be a competition) that they were leaving the door really wide open for Skattebo. I don't think that the idea of Skattebo is going away unless the young man flops on his face, and I don't see him doing that. They already know how slow he is and yet they still drafted him, so unless it's egregiously bad speed won't be a deterrent. Nothing about those college games seems to indicate that he goes away without serious effort. And what I worry about is that Tracy—with his style and what I believe is a more effective way to run in the pros—gets his carries whittled away by a decent amount because coaches sometimes fall in love with the physicality of certain runs even if they're less effective than a run with less contact. And I've seen it and the coaches always come up with unquantifiable reasons why they're choosing the less effective runs by telling you that it sets up other huge plays or that those runs are part of a winning strategy whereby they wear a defense down.

And I'm sure there is something to that, and all other things constant, it's probably more desirable to have a huge guy landing blows and running so hard the defense hates tackling him. But I get frustrated and a tad irritated because I don't believe their assertion that the inefficiency is rewarded later on and that the team scores more points even if they're less efficient, but it's not a falsifiable reason or a rebuttable assertion. I can't disprove it. And so I'm watching it play out in two dormant East Rutherford franchises and not only does it affect my two best dynasty RBs, but I also think it's objectively wrong. You can't quantify it and the banger the coaches love might not be as effective as my preferred guy in any measurable way, but hot damn we're going to bang him in there anyway! ROAR! LIFE!