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I am very interested to see him this coming Sunday against the Panthers.
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RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (1 Viewer)
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Didn't watch the game, but he was ripping off runs early on. If D. Jones wasn't such a disaster and could have kept the game closer early, Tracy would have gone 100+.
He also once again dominated touches vs. Singletary.
Was surprised he only had 1 catch considering the NYGs were playing from behind. After throwing for ZERO yards in the first half, D. Jones did nothing but pepper Nabers.
All in all, think Tracy is going to be an RB2 down the stretch here.
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
He got a lot of carries and he could’ve had a much better day if Daniel Jones didn’t take away his TD from the 2 yard line.
Jones blows
Honestly don't know why they just don't turn to D. Lock. He can't be any worse.
Gigantor_IA
Footballguy
WRs pretending to be RBs can't protect the football. Woops!
FantasyGuru24
Footballguy
He’s fine .. He’s their RB1 and one of the heartbeats of the team. He felt horrible about losing the game and had to be consoled by teammates on the sidelines after the fumble. Dabole is playing for his coaching job so he’s going to play he best players moving forward.
Insein
Footballguy
If the coach benches him now, he wants to get fired. Tracy is the best player on offense right now. The only one moving the chains.
Gatorade
Footballguy
Maybe second best to Nabers
Insein
Footballguy
Yea but Nabers relies on the QB to unlock his potential. Tracy just gets handed the ball.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Who knows what Daboll will do after the fumble, but I would think the rest of the season, offensively, the focus would be on getting the young players reps.
And benching Tracy for one mistake would be pretty wild for a team that rolls Daniel Jones out there every week.
And benching Tracy for one mistake would be pretty wild for a team that rolls Daniel Jones out there every week.
Insein
Footballguy
But it would be perfectly on brand for the Gmen.
RC94
Footballguy
Seriously.
IMO, benching him at this point is a fireable offense. You don't abandon a rookie for 1 mistake, especially when he's been the best player on offense aside from Nabers. I don't think Daboll is that dumb. I think he will stick with Tracy. Plus, and I don't have stats so I'm just guessing, but I would think they're selling Tracy jerseys more than most others and that's important to Mara.
No way he's benched.
He's the only player on the offensive side of the ball who did a damn thing!
TampaMike19
Footballguy
In a lost season, benching him would be the end of this staff
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I shipped him off for DeVonta Smith. It was sad as I think he's going to be a damn good fantasy option but I just had enormous need at WR.
Someone offered me Waddle and their second for Tracy and my first yesterday. They put in a note my pick should be 9-12 and their pick should be 2.1-2.4 and this all true but was an easy reject and not an offer I felt was insulting in any way but one where I did think the picks should be on the other side and even then I'd have passed and for what its' worth I'm deeper at RB then WR.
sheerterror
Footballguy
Dynasty?
sheerterror
Footballguy
Completely agree with all of this. Waddle value is damn near rock bottom, anyone that has watched Tracy can see the type of potential he has...weird approach by this guy.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Redraft.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Good #s last week but a bad game. A jones redzone INT hit him right between the hands and the fumble was bad too.
Hes a decent player- has some juice. A HC who although the team blows-- knows how to design an offense.
Long term I am not super excited.
Hes a decent player- has some juice. A HC who although the team blows-- knows how to design an offense.
Long term I am not super excited.
rockaction
Footballguy
Just traded a first and second for him. Desperate at RB but really like him regardless. I did even despite his low draft capital, ball foibles the other day, and his unsettled FO/coach situation. FBG has his trade value as the same as James Cook, FWIW. 13.9. I overpaid by the second, but not the first, which will likely be at least #7 or lower (I’m in position for a bye). This could all backfire horribly, but eh, it’s fantasy football.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Seems too high to me, but maybe it works out for you.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, it was too high. It was too high by a second-round pick. I didn’t really have too many options for reasons that are league-specific. I loved what I’ve seen of him and hopefully my assessment and the Giants being high on him helps him out at present and in the future.
EBF
Footballguy
I'm not in any dynasty leagues, but he's a reasonable target if you don't pay extortionate prices to get him.
Reasons for hope:
- He's averaging 5.1 YPC and keeping $9.5M guaranteed Devin Singletary on the bench.
- The supporting cast can't get much worse. Nabers and Theo are locked in for a while. They'll try to find a real QB.
- The Giants are bad enough that replacing their 5.1 YPC starting RB does not figure to be an offseason priority.
- Tracy is playing well enough that not many rookie RBs would automatically pass him. It would almost have to be a round 1 guy.
If I had to guess, a year from now, he's probably still going to be in the same spot he's in today.
I played dynasty for about 20 years and one of the recurrent phenomena was young RBs being wildly overvalued if they showed potential early in their careers. Of course some of them prove to be legit like Bijan and Jacobs, but then you get your Cam Akers and Ronnie Browns who people treat like concrete assets because they flash some talent out of the gate. There's an assumption that if a guy performed decently in spot duty then his trajectory will only continue upward and he'll become the best version of himself.
I mention this because I don't think there would be much pushback on Tracy if he had come into the league with the draft capital and fanfare of a Fournette or McFadden. People would be ecstatic that he's averaging 5.1 YPC on a bad team and putting himself in weekly FF starter consideration. They'd be taking him top 10-20 in dynasty startups. However, since he was a late pick with low expectations, there's still a latent layer of disbelief. The kneejerk assumption is probably still that he's a mirage.
I think you can buy now without necessarily "buying high" because of this lingering skepticism. It's not an opportunity you would get with Bijan or Brooks if they posted the identical stat line.
Reasons for hope:
- He's averaging 5.1 YPC and keeping $9.5M guaranteed Devin Singletary on the bench.
- The supporting cast can't get much worse. Nabers and Theo are locked in for a while. They'll try to find a real QB.
- The Giants are bad enough that replacing their 5.1 YPC starting RB does not figure to be an offseason priority.
- Tracy is playing well enough that not many rookie RBs would automatically pass him. It would almost have to be a round 1 guy.
If I had to guess, a year from now, he's probably still going to be in the same spot he's in today.
I played dynasty for about 20 years and one of the recurrent phenomena was young RBs being wildly overvalued if they showed potential early in their careers. Of course some of them prove to be legit like Bijan and Jacobs, but then you get your Cam Akers and Ronnie Browns who people treat like concrete assets because they flash some talent out of the gate. There's an assumption that if a guy performed decently in spot duty then his trajectory will only continue upward and he'll become the best version of himself.
I mention this because I don't think there would be much pushback on Tracy if he had come into the league with the draft capital and fanfare of a Fournette or McFadden. People would be ecstatic that he's averaging 5.1 YPC on a bad team and putting himself in weekly FF starter consideration. They'd be taking him top 10-20 in dynasty startups. However, since he was a late pick with low expectations, there's still a latent layer of disbelief. The kneejerk assumption is probably still that he's a mirage.
I think you can buy now without necessarily "buying high" because of this lingering skepticism. It's not an opportunity you would get with Bijan or Brooks if they posted the identical stat line.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
So, uh, what are we all doing here?
Is there a more difficult player to project than Tracy this week?
He's either a solid play this week and our lotto ticket dreams live on.......or he's totally in the doghouse?
He's generally ranked in the middle of those options, but it doesn't seem like that's the likely outcome.
Daboll has either lost trust or not, and I'm not sure how we'd know.
Is there a more difficult player to project than Tracy this week?
He's either a solid play this week and our lotto ticket dreams live on.......or he's totally in the doghouse?
He's generally ranked in the middle of those options, but it doesn't seem like that's the likely outcome.
Daboll has either lost trust or not, and I'm not sure how we'd know.
Not sure what to do. It's either Tracy or B. Thomas in the flex. Leaning Thomas.
At this point, if he is in the proverbial "doghouse", then Daboll should go ahead and fire himself. Let the kid play. He's their best playmaker besides Nabors and the team isn't going anywhere anyway.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I don't disagree.
But this is a franchise that's intentionally starting their 3rd best quarterback, whether it's to tank or save money.
Makes all this all the more difficult to predict.
And not to defend Daboll, but he certainly wouldn't be the first coach to put a good playmaker in the doghouse over ball security.
Most good coaches don't take this approach. Belichick one of the exceptions. Kyren fumbled the other night and was not only back in the next series but got an immediate carry. All they are doing is punishing themselves. Different if it's a scrub RB, but not your starter.
I personally don't believe that to be true.
groin pains
Footballguy
Well, the Breece Hall news may force me to start him (Tracy) at RB unless I gamble and hope Hall plays, and if not hope Spears clears the protocol. Either way my playoff hopes are dimming.
Interesting, I have Tracy in over Reed right now in my flex
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I don't think Tracy is going to lose any touches, but if the team is in a full collapse I think his upside is limited. They seem averse to throwing it to him too so his PPR upside is also a bit capped, though if the QB play is awful and they start checking down more to just move the ball I think he can retain decent RB2 production.
That said, this close to the playoffs, I'm not taking the risk for a game like last week.
That said, this close to the playoffs, I'm not taking the risk for a game like last week.
Insein
Footballguy
My situation might differ. I have Barkley, Henry and Walker. So I'm very set at RB. WR though I have Evans but then Dhop, DJ Moore and BTJ. Needed someone with more upside.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I’m starting him in redraft where I have Bijan/Brian Robinson/Etienne as my other main RBs. Bijan & Tracy as my RBs. Jamo in flex
And also in a dynasty team in the last flex spot ahead of Waddle and Amari as it stands. ( Mooney is in the other flex spot ).
And also in a dynasty team in the last flex spot ahead of Waddle and Amari as it stands. ( Mooney is in the other flex spot ).
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Starting him.
groin pains
Footballguy
B Hall owner contemplating starting Tracy. Crap! I know it's Thanksgiving, but will we get another practice report today?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Starting him, but only because the other options are Gus Edwards and Jeremy McNichols.
Not expecting much, and a sub 5 point game is very much in play.
Not expecting much, and a sub 5 point game is very much in play.
rockaction
Footballguy
I’m starting him in the same situation. Why wouldn’t we? I’m genuinely curious.
eta* Never mind. The fumbles. Daboll. The potential for a ball hitting the ground and then him sitting. Seen it before. Still have to start him.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Tough one. Thomas would have gone for over a hundred yards last game if one catch stood. As it was, he was at eighty-six with Mac Jones. 14.6 PPR points. Gabe Davis is on IR. Kirk is on IR. He is the dude right now. Thomas is two full points ahead in projections by FBG for my PPR league, which is standard otherwise. I do not know how they’re factoring in Lawrence’s potential absence.
Go with what you think. I always seem to pick receivers in PPR, so I have a bias. Tracy faces a weak run defense today. DeVito maybe playing means stacked boxes for sure. So . . . wait until the starting QB is announced at about three EDT or noon PDT.
