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RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (1 Viewer)

More receiving yards than rushing yards but I'll take it. Better play than Pollard. Never doubted it.
 
What’s all the doom and gloom here about?
Looks like it was due to watching the game in real time vs the end result most likely. I think at the half when I checked Tyrone was at like 5ish points and after the half Tyrone scored the 14 or so more points. I'm just guessing tho.

Anyways, I like the added benefit of the pass game being shown here. He is like an Ekeler by the looks of it. Making him good for either gamescript(losing or winning). I think Singletary has a role, but Tyrone is a flex type and a bonafide RB1 if he gets opportunity. I just think like most backfields it will be murky. I think they might alt. drives?...hopefully not back to breather back.

I'd love to hear the bull case of Tyrone being the starter going forward, but we'll see how the week unfolds. Singletary surely is back next week.
 
What’s all the doom and gloom here about?
Looks like it was due to watching the game in real time vs the end result most likely. I think at the half when I checked Tyrone was at like 5ish points and after the half Tyrone scored the 14 or so more points. I'm just guessing tho.

Anyways, I like the added benefit of the pass game being shown here. He is like an Ekeler by the looks of it. Making him good for either gamescript(losing or winning). I think Singletary has a role, but Tyrone is a flex type and a bonafide RB1 if he gets opportunity. I just think like most backfields it will be murky. I think they might alt. drives?...hopefully not back to breather back.

I'd love to hear the bull case of Tyrone being the starter going forward, but we'll see how the week unfolds. Singletary surely is back next week.
I have a share of Tracy in a keeper league, for transparency's sake.

I think the best hope here is that Daboll is either 1) desperate to save his own job or 2) is willing to try anything. The riskier 4th down attempts last night would add some credence to his willingness to try anything.

The other avenue is if they trade away Singletary to an RB-needy team. He's only owed $6+ million next season, so his contract is not outrageous in terms of fitting into a team's cap space. However, a lot needs to align for this to happen.

I think a split between Singletary and Tracy would still favor Tracy for fantasy purposes due to his excellent work as a pass catcher and the likelihood of the Giants trailing a lot this year. Perhaps low end RB 2/high end RB 3.
 
Yeah the offense stinks but they also had like around twenty offensive formation or illegal shift penalties. That's certainly a part of what makes a bad offense but even just a little cleaner and it might have looked much better. They did just walk into Seattle last week and looked pretty good. There were some good balls that some receivers dropped last night too.

Meanwhile I don't really care how Tracy gives me 22.7 PPR points, whether it's in a pretty offense or an ugly one. Would be nice to see Nabers get back out there though. And for the offense to figure out how to run plays without penalties.
 
Yeah the offense stinks but they also had like around twenty offensive formation or illegal shift penalties. That's certainly a part of what makes a bad offense but even just a little cleaner and it might have looked much better. They did just walk into Seattle last week and looked pretty good. There were some good balls that some receivers dropped last night too.

Meanwhile I don't really care how Tracy gives me 22.7 PPR points, whether it's in a pretty offense or an ugly one. Would be nice to see Nabers get back out there though. And for the offense to figure out how to run plays without penalties.
This is important. Also, the fact that they *know* they can just throw it to him a lot and be successful shows me they definitely have a game-plan built in for him to be successful. Will be interesting to see how the splits are once Singletary gets back b/c this guy has shown he can play.
 
It's going to be a RBBC when Singletary returns. That's what Tracy earned.


I actually own a lot of Tracy and Chase Brown and seeing them on the same field reminded me of how similar both of their situations are right now. Both look way more electric then the steady vet they share the backfield with, but they both are still in the process of building up trust and at this point it looks like both staffs want these guys pass protecting next to never. The difference in the two situations is Daboll's history with Singletary runs deeper and a bigger issue is that Moss was signed to a contract with no guaranteed money after this year while two of Singletary's 3 years are essentially all guaranteed.

A lot of super positive stuff for Tracy in the game. Mainly how much trust they put in him in absolutely crucial big time situations. Fact he delivered almost every time was huge. I think that one carry he slipped on third down might have been one time he failed them. So like I started off by saying, he earned a role.

But Singletary is not going anywhere, maybe in time Tracy can build this up to a 60/40 type of split in his favor, maybe more of a gap by next year, but to me that's the most realistic thing I can hope. Key to note is that Singletary is playing solid, it's not like he's been bad with one exception which is he's fumbled a few times. But I noticed last week that Singletary made the cross country trip to Seattle when it seems obvious now he had zero shot to play and I took note of him on the sidelines engaged with players. Same thing last night, caught him coaching up some players on the sideline. That's a team leader, one of Daboll's guys, his lieutenant. Unless his game goes really south, and again he's been playing solid, he's just not going away.

My guess is as much as we all think Tracy should take over and make Singletary the backup it's going to be more like what the first few weeks of the Bengals backfield looked like with Moss being the main guy and the more electric still evolving RB in Brown playing second fiddle. That however is a much better offense that can support two RB's as viable fantasy starters. Dubious this one can.

I'm reminded of another WR convert to RB's rookie season. David Johnson's. Despite flashing big time early in his rookie season he could not get past third on the depth chart to Chris Johnson and Andre Ellington. I think it was week 11 or 12 of his rookie season and both of those RB's got hurt and David Johnson went to the moon. But if those two vets never get hurt then DJ never breaks out his rookie season. My point just being that while we see the Pollard vs Zeke, Brown vs Moss, Tracy vs Singletary type of backfields and think it's pretty clear which RB has the juice and should be taking on a bigger role ther process with these coaches often moves at a much slower pace then we like to see.

I own a load of Tracy so I'd love to be wrong, don't think I will be though.
 
He is a nice RB, Giants should be able to get him ~5 catches a week in that offense, even when Nabers is back. Singletary will get his in the run game. But Tracy has some juice. With both my starting RBs having the same bye week, I feel ok if I have to use Tracy then. Dowdle on the other hand.....meh. Cowboys are circling the drain.
 
Salty I could only manage one share in 6 leagues. I was very high on him in dynasty during draft season but kept getting beaten to the punch and went well before I thought he should be.
 

Local beat writer.

I'm highly skeptical this would happen. Wishful thinking. As a Tracy owner, we can hope.
I think this will happen. They didn't want to take Tracy off the field last night even for a play. He gives juice this offense needs and Singletary has never had. The biggest positive last night was his ability to grind out first downs when there wasn't much room. They probably get shut out without Tracy last night. Once Nabers is back it will get even better.
 

Local beat writer.

I'm highly skeptical this would happen. Wishful thinking. As a Tracy owner, we can hope.
I think this will happen. They didn't want to take Tracy off the field last night even for a play. He gives juice this offense needs and Singletary has never had. The biggest positive last night was his ability to grind out first downs when there wasn't much room. They probably get shut out without Tracy last night. Once Nabers is back it will get even better.
I sure hope you're right.

Understanding Dabol's relationship with Singletary, I will be shocked if this takes place.

Could see this as a 50/50 split next week where Dabol gives Singletary the "official" start at minimum, but then the takeover happens gradually.

At minimum, I'd expect Tracy to get the third down work and they MUST find a way...a la D. Achane...to get the ball in his hands more.
 
His first week he didn't have a negative run. He slipped behind the LOS once, but other wise I'm not sure I saw a negative run yesterday.
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
 
Really feels like a Zack moss chase brown thing but I think singletary is Better than moss and Tracy is better than brown. This guy will be gold even with 12-16 touches. New kamara / pollard
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Tracy has looked more explosive than Singletary when he was given the opportunity.
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Right? I’m getting David Johnson sophomore season vibes mostly.
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Right? I’m getting David Johnson sophomore season vibes mostly.
Now we are comparing him to DJ in his prime?
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Right? I’m getting David Johnson sophomore season vibes mostly.
Now we are comparing him to DJ in his prime?
Now we're comparing Prime Payne to the guy who can only read things in black and white?
 

Local beat writer.

I'm highly skeptical this would happen. Wishful thinking. As a Tracy owner, we can hope.
I think this will happen. They didn't want to take Tracy off the field last night even for a play. He gives juice this offense needs and Singletary has never had. The biggest positive last night was his ability to grind out first downs when there wasn't much room. They probably get shut out without Tracy last night. Once Nabers is back it will get even better.
I sure hope you're right.

Understanding Dabol's relationship with Singletary, I will be shocked if this takes place.

Could see this as a 50/50 split next week where Dabol gives Singletary the "official" start at minimum, but then the takeover happens gradually.

At minimum, I'd expect Tracy to get the third down work and they MUST find a way...a la D. Achane...to get the ball in his hands more.
Daboll's relationship should be hitched and focused on his best RB who give him a better chance to score and get good field position.
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Right? I’m getting David Johnson sophomore season vibes mostly.
Now we are comparing him to DJ in his prime?
Coming right up, scour internet and here it exists, https://x.com/JoshNorris/status/1782091484235198546.

Comps are Antonio Gibson and Ty Montgomery too. I think DJ is the Ceiling of course but why not.

DJ and Tyrone both converted from WR to RB so its kinda on target to me.
 
Graham Barfield
Tyrone Tracy vs. Devin Singletary is the Ken Walker vs. Zach Charbonnet corollary

One is a fine RB

The other is a three down monster that creates yards out of thin air consistently
I'm sorry, did we just compare Tracy to Walker? Let's tap the brakes just a little.
Right? I’m getting David Johnson sophomore season vibes mostly.
Now we are comparing him to DJ in his prime?
Coming right up, scour internet and here it exists, https://x.com/JoshNorris/status/1782091484235198546.

Comps are Antonio Gibson and Ty Montgomery too. I think DJ is the Ceiling of course but why not.

DJ and Tyrone both converted from WR to RB so its kinda on target to me.
Josh Norris from Underdog is good. Him and Hayden Winks have outstanding content.
 
Watched a lot of Ty Montgomery at Stanford. He was a great athlete, but he was not naturally shifty. He was more straight-line power/speed. I always felt he had more long-term upside in the NFL as a slot weapon than as a RB. He could've been a poor man's Deebo. Instead he got pushed into emergency RB duty pretty early for GB and then kind of got shoehorned into that type of role for the rest of his career because he was good enough to be halfway playable, like a poor man's Cordarrelle. When you are a fringe type of guy in the NFL and you find a niche where teams will give you a paycheck, you don't rock the boat.

Also not sure how much I like the Gibson comparison. He was a height/weight/speed guy, but not the most agile. The #1 thing that stands out about Tracy is the quickness and make-you-miss aspect. I came with the Pierre Thomas comparison in the summer, but seeing Tracy now against NFL defenders, he may actually be more talented than that. When I think about NYG running backs, Tiki Barber and Saquon Barkley are the two recent standouts. The common thread between them and Tracy is how loose all of them run. Instant shiftiness and change of direction. Often a hallmark of great backs.

Not predicting a HoF type of trajectory for Tracy, but he looks like much more than a generic WR-to-RB experiment. He is a natural runner.
 
Salty I could only manage one share in 6 leagues. I was very high on him in dynasty during draft season but kept getting beaten to the punch and went well before I thought he should be.
Same, Hank. I had him and Ray Davis circled in the 3rd round but he kept going in the 3.02 range when I was expecting more end of 3rd. Got him in 1/4, but am still fairly positive about getting Davis in the other 3.
 
Singletary off the injury report.

Dabol indicating all three RBs will play, but keeping an eye on Singletary and his groin.

Is it possible that a) Tracy get's the bulk of the carries, and b) Singletary and E. Gray split the E. Gray role touches?

Wishful thinking clearly.

WIll be curious to see where Tracy lands in rankings now.
 
I have better options this week so I can afford to bench him and see how it plays out. Curious what the giants do.
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Giants HC Brian Daboll on increased playing time for Tyrone Tracy Jr.:

“He’s earned it. He’s done a good job, so he’ll get plenty of playing time.”

Daboll has an 80% reliability rating on usage/workload coachspeak (small sample size)
 
Not sure 6/23 and 3/9 rec on top is going to make anyone forget about Dev Singletary plus they might not want to overload Dev after the injury
Tracy deserves a split at this point but what's in it for the Giants and the Staff? Even if Tracy is a little better than Dev, they likely bring in some stiff competition next year
This season? The Giants slip to 2-5 this week, looks like Daboll might be gone after the season, not much to get overly excited about

Redraft this year? Tracy has had some nice games, would love it if he is truly the RB1 but also not sure what that prize ultimately is with this team
 
Not sure 6/23 and 3/9 rec on top is going to make anyone forget about Dev Singletary plus they might not want to overload Dev after the injury
Tracy deserves a split at this point but what's in it for the Giants and the Staff? Even if Tracy is a little better than Dev, they likely bring in some stiff competition next year
Big assumption because there may only be a handful of backs in the draft who are a clear upgrade and NYG may not want to burn draft picks on that spot when they have bigger problems. From a redraft standpoint, you'd probably hope for Tracy to cobble together enough good games to be a serviceable RB2/RB3 option. In dynasty, the hope would be that he shows enough to earn a high workload for next season.

Seems like he's in a similar spot to Chase Brown last year where he can maybe show enough to stay relevant. Teams aren't in the business of burning a lot of $$$ at the RB spot just because they can if they have viable bodies on the roster.
 
Not sure 6/23 and 3/9 rec on top is going to make anyone forget about Dev Singletary plus they might not want to overload Dev after the injury
Tracy deserves a split at this point but what's in it for the Giants and the Staff? Even if Tracy is a little better than Dev, they likely bring in some stiff competition next year
Big assumption because there may only be a handful of backs in the draft who are a clear upgrade and NYG may not want to burn draft picks on that spot when they have bigger problems. From a redraft standpoint, you'd probably hope for Tracy to cobble together enough good games to be a serviceable RB2/RB3 option. In dynasty, the hope would be that he shows enough to earn a high workload for next season.

Seems like he's in a similar spot to Chase Brown last year where he can maybe show enough to stay relevant. Teams aren't in the business of burning a lot of $$$ at the RB spot just because they can if they have viable bodies on the roster.
I bet if you owned the Giants and watched your former employee burn you for almost 200 yds today, you might not have that same outlook
You paint it like teams just rummage thru the dumpster looking for their lead RB and you make quite a broad stroke for the '25 Draft Class, we're still 6-7 months out?
It's easy to start anointing Tracy as their lead RB but we are far from a franchise type where we don't need to pour any more resources into the position

What are we discussing? Long term, short term?
Look at that stat box today for 72% of the snaps, not much production
New Head Coach comes in next year, think they are going to cozy right up to Tracy?
So many moving pieces that go into 2025, I'd rather just focus on the next 4-6 weeks and right now he's a gamble

When the Giants get beat badly, game script won'y be good for any RB and I know what you mean by lots of needs on this team.
They aren't likely to be running out the clock often

Thanks for the post back
 
I bet if you owned the Giants and watched your former employee burn you for almost 200 yds today, you might not have that same outlook
The fact that they didn't want to pay Saquon even though he was their best player because they recognized that they have too many needs to invest that heavily in the RB position actually works against your point, which is that they are going to go big at RB in the offseason.

32 teams in the NFL, maybe 5-6 good RBs in the average draft class, and Devin Singletary recently signed to a 3 year deal. None of this screams imminent workhorse back coming to NYG, though of course anything can happen with draft slots and BPA.

I'd say they're a strong statistical underdog to go big at this position in the next 12 months, especially if Tracy and Singletary have decent seasons.
 
I bet if you owned the Giants and watched your former employee burn you for almost 200 yds today, you might not have that same outlook
The fact that they didn't want to pay Saquon even though he was their best player because they recognized that they have too many needs to invest that heavily in the RB position actually works against your point, which is that they are going to go big at RB in the offseason.

32 teams in the NFL, maybe 5-6 good RBs in the average draft class, and Devin Singletary recently signed to a 3 year deal. None of this screams imminent workhorse back coming to NYG, though of course anything can happen with draft slots and BPA.

I'd say they're a strong statistical underdog to go big at this position in the next 12 months, especially if Tracy and Singletary have decent seasons.
Bad teams with holes everywhere on the roster drafting RBs isn't rare. Teams want to take pressure off their young QB and "get back to running the ball" and draft Jonathan Brooks when Chubba was a bright spot on the roster. They overpay Swift when Herbert/Roshon combo looked ok.

I don't think the Giants should replace Singletary and Tracy. But I also didn't think the Jags should have taken Etienne when James Robinson was great as an UDFA. I didn't think Bijan made sense for a team that just had Allgeier set the Falcon rookie rushing record. I don't think we should assume the Giants front office will do the "logical" thing.
 
There's no assumption. It's probability. If there are maybe 5-6 good RBs in the average draft and maybe a similar number available in FA, it's not likely that the Giants are going to bring in a new starter in any given offseason cycle. It becomes more likely if Tracy/Singletary play very badly, but at the moment it's an underdog.

What you said also applies to the other 31 teams in the NFL, meaning any one of them can be the team to take the next MarShon Lloyd or Zach Charbonnet off the board even if they don't "need" him. There's no guarantee that the best RB talent will be perfectly distributed to the neediest teams, even if we want to believe NYG are among those teams.

There simply aren't enough great RBs available in an offseason cycle to threaten every starting job in the league. A player like Tracy has a lot more to fear than a player like Henry or Barkley, but we're still talking about 32 jobs in the NFL and not very many great players to fill them. I don't see a compelling argument that the Giants are more likely than not to make a major move here. It's probably a bigger assumption than thinking they might run it back with what they have, though it depends on what this unit looks like for the next few months.
 
Tracy has looked the part, no doubt. Because of his receiving background, he was one of my favorite rookie targets.

Regardless, the reality for someone drafted in the 6th round at that position is that he will always be subject to being usurped by a higher profile RB in any given draft class. I think Tracy is a bit unique because he has converted to RB, but fourth through seventh round RB types historically just have very little job security.
 

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