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RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (1 Viewer)
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Good points on the lack of other weapons. Forgot about that when it comes to Thomas. All the FBG's projections favor Thomas for sure.
All signs point to Lock starting, but who knows if this is good or bad for the offense.
rockaction
Footballguy
I will say that when Matt Waldman talked about Lock (and for what it’s worth I agree) he mentioned that Lock had arm talent that DeVito didn’t have. You might see the Giants be able to take shots with Hyatt, Nabers, and Slayton, which is something you wouldn’t get with DeVito.
One other thing of note is that DeVito was blitzed 78% of the time in the first half of last week’s game by Todd Bowles, according to the halftime guys at FOX. Even for Bowles that’s an absurd amount. They really showed DeVito absolutely no respect. Lock is, in my estimation, a step up from DeVito. How much? I don’t know. That’s the rub.
For Tracy, those deeper shots might mean a more open box if the Giants prove they can convert.
But these are an awful lot of ifs, aren’t they? With Thomas, you get the alpha receiver and the offense’s full attention (from a play calling perspective). For Tracy, you fight fumbles, Singletary, a backup QB, and the list sort of goes on.
I’m not trying to convince you. I have similar issues with Tracy but I’m deciding between him and Ameer Abdullah in one league. Some clarity on Mattison and White would also be nice. Mattison looks to be able to go, so I’m going to have to go Tracy.
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I've just taken him out and stuck Ken Walker into the lineup instead.
Him and Nabers is too many Giants for me. I decided Nabers was the gamble today.
Him and Nabers is too many Giants for me. I decided Nabers was the gamble today.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Dallas has been absolutely terrible at home for a while now. Not sure if variance is coming with cooper rush but on a short week I feel confident starting the rook again…confident ish
rockaction
Footballguy
I did the same thing only with Hubbard and Walker over Tracy. I’m dreading Brooks’s return, but I think Chuba still gets the balance of the carries that will be going around.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Brooks is back already. Unless Cubba beefs it he's at minimum 1A there for the rest of the year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thank you, but I know that, bud. I’m worried about a gradual introduction to the offense whereby Brooks gets more time and Chuba gets his carries whittled away. Volume, volume, volume with Chuba.
heckmanm
Footballguy
14.5 PPR and at least 2 nice gains called back for holding
rschroeder1
Footballguy
I can't find a source showing snap counts for RBs per spot in formation, but anecdotally Tracy was lining up at receiver in Thursday's game at Dallas. He was also used as a receiver when Singletary was the #1 RB.
I think it's hard to get a gauge on how Tracy might function in this role given disastrous QB play and Jones locking into Nabers.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hold my Beer!
RB 30 entering the week,
10-12 team formats he would appear as a low end RB3 but as you can clearly see he barely saw the field first four weeks of the season
Since Week 5...14-22-dud-23-7-15-9-14...that's roughly 14-15 pts a week which he hit again this week despite limited touches and opportunities
That would put him roughly in the RB 15-20 discussion and that makes him a decent RB2 in most formats.
And most of you snagged him off the waiver wire for nothing
"So c'mon and stop your cryin'
We both know money burns
Honey, don't stop tryin' and you'll get what you deserve"
RB 30 entering the week,
10-12 team formats he would appear as a low end RB3 but as you can clearly see he barely saw the field first four weeks of the season
Since Week 5...14-22-dud-23-7-15-9-14...that's roughly 14-15 pts a week which he hit again this week despite limited touches and opportunities
That would put him roughly in the RB 15-20 discussion and that makes him a decent RB2 in most formats.
And most of you snagged him off the waiver wire for nothing
"So c'mon and stop your cryin'
We both know money burns
Honey, don't stop tryin' and you'll get what you deserve"
Interesting. I must have missed it
I don't recall any of this and it's for sure not supported in the total RB snaps unless they ran an equal amount of snaps with zero RB's as they did with multiple. Giants ran 63 offensive plays and Tracy got 46, Singletary 13 and Gray got 4.
He's a decent receiver as a RB's go but there is a reason he made the switch to RB to get to the NFL. There have been some RB's enter the league that people think could have switched to WR, mainly slot, and been NFL caliber players. He's not that.
I do think he's got a lot more potential in that department so not trying to say that, just don't think he's an elite caliber receiver, even as a RB.
But the major issue is that Daboll's offense have not historically featured RB's in the passing game, and he's had some good one's.
I got him as having 11 full seasons, well counting this one as a season, as a HC or OC in the NFL.
Peyton Hillis with 77 targets, 4.8 a game, back in 2010 was the most he's ever used a RB in a season.
Barkley at 4.5 targets a game was next.
After those two the highest target per game a RB has had with him is about 3.5 and he's coached full seasons with Reggie Bush, Jamaal Charles and McCoy. The first two seeing what at that point was the worst passing game usage of their careers with Daboll as their OC.
I do think he's got a lot more potential in that department so not trying to say that, just don't think he's an elite caliber receiver, even as a RB.
But the major issue is that Daboll's offense have not historically featured RB's in the passing game, and he's had some good one's.
I got him as having 11 full seasons, well counting this one as a season, as a HC or OC in the NFL.
Peyton Hillis with 77 targets, 4.8 a game, back in 2010 was the most he's ever used a RB in a season.
Barkley at 4.5 targets a game was next.
After those two the highest target per game a RB has had with him is about 3.5 and he's coached full seasons with Reggie Bush, Jamaal Charles and McCoy. The first two seeing what at that point was the worst passing game usage of their careers with Daboll as their OC.
Teams run some plays with no RBs on the field so it's not as simple as adding up snap counts. There were a few snaps with both on the field and Tracy was lined up as a WR for a few but those were not many.
It should be obvious anyone who does much posting here understands that there are times a team can line up with no Rb's but just for good measure I mentioned that as a possibility in the post you just responded to so it should be extraordinarily obvious I understand this.
In this case it did not happen.
They lined up exactly one RB on every single snap. They never lined up two RB's on the field on the same offensive play.
This is fake news.
