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RB Tyrone Tracy Jr., NYG (2 Viewers)
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Good points on the lack of other weapons. Forgot about that when it comes to Thomas. All the FBG's projections favor Thomas for sure.
All signs point to Lock starting, but who knows if this is good or bad for the offense.
rockaction
Footballguy
I will say that when Matt Waldman talked about Lock (and for what it’s worth I agree) he mentioned that Lock had arm talent that DeVito didn’t have. You might see the Giants be able to take shots with Hyatt, Nabers, and Slayton, which is something you wouldn’t get with DeVito.
One other thing of note is that DeVito was blitzed 78% of the time in the first half of last week’s game by Todd Bowles, according to the halftime guys at FOX. Even for Bowles that’s an absurd amount. They really showed DeVito absolutely no respect. Lock is, in my estimation, a step up from DeVito. How much? I don’t know. That’s the rub.
For Tracy, those deeper shots might mean a more open box if the Giants prove they can convert.
But these are an awful lot of ifs, aren’t they? With Thomas, you get the alpha receiver and the offense’s full attention (from a play calling perspective). For Tracy, you fight fumbles, Singletary, a backup QB, and the list sort of goes on.
I’m not trying to convince you. I have similar issues with Tracy but I’m deciding between him and Ameer Abdullah in one league. Some clarity on Mattison and White would also be nice. Mattison looks to be able to go, so I’m going to have to go Tracy.
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I've just taken him out and stuck Ken Walker into the lineup instead.
Him and Nabers is too many Giants for me. I decided Nabers was the gamble today.
Him and Nabers is too many Giants for me. I decided Nabers was the gamble today.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Dallas has been absolutely terrible at home for a while now. Not sure if variance is coming with cooper rush but on a short week I feel confident starting the rook again…confident ish
rockaction
Footballguy
I did the same thing only with Hubbard and Walker over Tracy. I’m dreading Brooks’s return, but I think Chuba still gets the balance of the carries that will be going around.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Brooks is back already. Unless Cubba beefs it he's at minimum 1A there for the rest of the year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Thank you, but I know that, bud. I’m worried about a gradual introduction to the offense whereby Brooks gets more time and Chuba gets his carries whittled away. Volume, volume, volume with Chuba.
heckmanm
Footballguy
14.5 PPR and at least 2 nice gains called back for holding
rschroeder1
Footballguy
I can't find a source showing snap counts for RBs per spot in formation, but anecdotally Tracy was lining up at receiver in Thursday's game at Dallas. He was also used as a receiver when Singletary was the #1 RB.
I think it's hard to get a gauge on how Tracy might function in this role given disastrous QB play and Jones locking into Nabers.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hold my Beer!
RB 30 entering the week,
10-12 team formats he would appear as a low end RB3 but as you can clearly see he barely saw the field first four weeks of the season
Since Week 5...14-22-dud-23-7-15-9-14...that's roughly 14-15 pts a week which he hit again this week despite limited touches and opportunities
That would put him roughly in the RB 15-20 discussion and that makes him a decent RB2 in most formats.
And most of you snagged him off the waiver wire for nothing
"So c'mon and stop your cryin'
We both know money burns
Honey, don't stop tryin' and you'll get what you deserve"
RB 30 entering the week,
10-12 team formats he would appear as a low end RB3 but as you can clearly see he barely saw the field first four weeks of the season
Since Week 5...14-22-dud-23-7-15-9-14...that's roughly 14-15 pts a week which he hit again this week despite limited touches and opportunities
That would put him roughly in the RB 15-20 discussion and that makes him a decent RB2 in most formats.
And most of you snagged him off the waiver wire for nothing
"So c'mon and stop your cryin'
We both know money burns
Honey, don't stop tryin' and you'll get what you deserve"
Interesting. I must have missed it
I don't recall any of this and it's for sure not supported in the total RB snaps unless they ran an equal amount of snaps with zero RB's as they did with multiple. Giants ran 63 offensive plays and Tracy got 46, Singletary 13 and Gray got 4.
He's a decent receiver as a RB's go but there is a reason he made the switch to RB to get to the NFL. There have been some RB's enter the league that people think could have switched to WR, mainly slot, and been NFL caliber players. He's not that.
I do think he's got a lot more potential in that department so not trying to say that, just don't think he's an elite caliber receiver, even as a RB.
But the major issue is that Daboll's offense have not historically featured RB's in the passing game, and he's had some good one's.
I got him as having 11 full seasons, well counting this one as a season, as a HC or OC in the NFL.
Peyton Hillis with 77 targets, 4.8 a game, back in 2010 was the most he's ever used a RB in a season.
Barkley at 4.5 targets a game was next.
After those two the highest target per game a RB has had with him is about 3.5 and he's coached full seasons with Reggie Bush, Jamaal Charles and McCoy. The first two seeing what at that point was the worst passing game usage of their careers with Daboll as their OC.
I do think he's got a lot more potential in that department so not trying to say that, just don't think he's an elite caliber receiver, even as a RB.
But the major issue is that Daboll's offense have not historically featured RB's in the passing game, and he's had some good one's.
I got him as having 11 full seasons, well counting this one as a season, as a HC or OC in the NFL.
Peyton Hillis with 77 targets, 4.8 a game, back in 2010 was the most he's ever used a RB in a season.
Barkley at 4.5 targets a game was next.
After those two the highest target per game a RB has had with him is about 3.5 and he's coached full seasons with Reggie Bush, Jamaal Charles and McCoy. The first two seeing what at that point was the worst passing game usage of their careers with Daboll as their OC.
Teams run some plays with no RBs on the field so it's not as simple as adding up snap counts. There were a few snaps with both on the field and Tracy was lined up as a WR for a few but those were not many.
It should be obvious anyone who does much posting here understands that there are times a team can line up with no Rb's but just for good measure I mentioned that as a possibility in the post you just responded to so it should be extraordinarily obvious I understand this.
In this case it did not happen.
They lined up exactly one RB on every single snap. They never lined up two RB's on the field on the same offensive play.
This is fake news.
True, but the team doesn't provide a ton of opportunities. Still a nice find.Jacob Gibbs
Oh boy Tyrone Tracy in Week 14:
83% snap rate (career-high)
That's RB1 stuff right there boys and girls!x.com
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Terpman22
Footballguy
Dude is RB14 in PPR since he took over. Think about that. Playing with one of the worst offensive lines and one of the worst QB cores in the entire league. One of the last picks of the 5th round.
And no one paid even close to a premium for where they originally drafted him.
And no one paid even close to a premium for where they originally drafted him.
He's finally getting peppered with targets. Lock misfired on a few of them to him as well.
Hate the matchup this week against a BALT run D coming off a bye and probably pissed off after that PHI loss. Tough to sit though with the usage.
heckmanm
Footballguy
Also potentially tough to sit with Walker and Irving as my other RBs
Chaka
Footballguy
Don't do that. Meno is as data driven as they come. He brings solid analysis to virtually every post and, he has done so for years. If the biggest counter point one can bring against his post is one snap then it's not appropriate to comment on it with an ad hominem approach.
Rattled? For pointing out you were wrong. I re-watched the game and you are still wrong.
This is the second thread you chose to attack me for having an opinion, both times it was correct. I did not forget you in the Diontae Johnson thread. You keep getting stuff wrong and getting mad at me for being correct or having correct opinion. What a loser.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Agree. Menobrown is one the more respected posters here and always brings thoughtful analysis to the table.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I traded him a few weeks ago for Devonta Smith. I had CMC, Breece, Pachecho and Chuba in front of him and my WRs were hurting badly so I pulled the trigger.
I'll weather the storm due to Charbs and Allen pickups to pair with Chuba/Pacheco, but I wish I kept him and unloaded a bigger named RB for a better WR.
I'll weather the storm due to Charbs and Allen pickups to pair with Chuba/Pacheco, but I wish I kept him and unloaded a bigger named RB for a better WR.
Born to Run
Footballguy
Glad I had him available this week with the late scratches from Breece and Walker.
Chaka
Footballguy
Doubling down on being wrong isn't a great path either.
I'll address this once and be done with you forever.
Nothing I said in my post was an attack on you. You gave wrong information and I say you because I know you and rschroeder1 are one and the same. In fact I did the opposite of attacking you and tried to be as polite as possible in pointing out you were giving out bad information.
I don't need a spreadsheet to keep track of people who act like you. When you went off on my out of nowhere in this thread it was pretty easy to recall the last time you went off on me from another thread. Same energy where you seem extremely disturbed that in your opinion I have an opinion of everything and am sure of myself on these points. I obviously must have crossed your or you alias rschroeder1 in the past and you now have some kind of axe to grind with me.
This is a message board. Yes I have opinions and yes I'm pretty sure of these opinions because they come from a point of heavy research. I'll be wrong on a lot of stuff, anyone who gives a lot of opinions will be. I admit that when it's the case but attacking people for a message board for having to many opinions is 100% what you have done to me. Twice now, in different threads.
I don't know if you are immature or just not very intelligent nor do I care. I am done with you and your alias. I'm not going to put you on ignore though. I'm going to remain around here and when I see you trying to pass bad info along like you did in this thread I'm going to be here to let people be leery of the info. But I'm done with responding to you directly, just see no value discussing anything with someone of your ilk. You can call that an attack if you want, so be it.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Is this what happens when teams miss the playoffs? Don't take it out on other posters. It happens to everybody.
I'm going to agree with some of what he is saying. And this post points it out.
Maybe you have great knowledge, but so do a lot of guys on this board. Your arrogance is what ruffles feathers.
You get as upset as anyone when people have a different opinion than you because you truly believe sometimes your OPINION is fact.
You are guilty of "attacking" people as well.
I also have very little respect for people who make comments such as "just not very intelligent". That's a true show of character.
Have a good one.
Please get this back to the topic of the player and not the slap fight insults to each other.
This can be a good thread about football if people don't ruin it.
This can be a good thread about football if people don't ruin it.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I went back to about Week 5 when Tracy becomes a bigger part of the Giants' Offense
He has more than 1 game where he is either very close or rises above the 20 point mark in PPR-Redraft where I have him on every single roster
14-22-6-23-8-15-9-14-19-
Those 9 weeks work out to about 14+ per week
3 games (22-23-19) are 50% above average
3 games (14-15-14) right on point
3 games (6-8-9) about half of the normal average
That is your swing with him, decent floor/avg as your RB3/Flex and about once every 3 games he comes in with a stronger than average number
This has been a gem on the waiver wire if you were lucky enough to either find him, hold him, it's been mostly working out.
Baltimore at home this week doesn't look juicy.
Atlanta and Indy have QBs that turn it over a lot, Tracy could do very well in Weeks 16 and 17, Semi and Finals in most Redrafts i compete in
He has more than 1 game where he is either very close or rises above the 20 point mark in PPR-Redraft where I have him on every single roster
14-22-6-23-8-15-9-14-19-
Those 9 weeks work out to about 14+ per week
3 games (22-23-19) are 50% above average
3 games (14-15-14) right on point
3 games (6-8-9) about half of the normal average
That is your swing with him, decent floor/avg as your RB3/Flex and about once every 3 games he comes in with a stronger than average number
This has been a gem on the waiver wire if you were lucky enough to either find him, hold him, it's been mostly working out.
Baltimore at home this week doesn't look juicy.
Atlanta and Indy have QBs that turn it over a lot, Tracy could do very well in Weeks 16 and 17, Semi and Finals in most Redrafts i compete in
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm contemplating sitting him this week but the next two weeks look a lot better.
If anything, he may get a lot of garbage time points this week v. Baltimore.
If anything, he may get a lot of garbage time points this week v. Baltimore.
TartanLion
Footballguy
I’m going to sit him behind both Robinsons in the RB spots, and then I need 2 x WR and a flex out of DJ Moore, Waddle, Tracy, Jamo and Flowers
I’m thinking of going aggressive with Moore, Waddle at WR and Jamo in flex as think Lions/Bills will go nuclear and don’t like this Baltimore matchup
He's in my flex spot now but I'll be thinking long and hard this week about S. McCormick (vs ATL) and B. Allen (@Jax...although if B. Hall is active I'll have to start him over all of them).
I don't see Tracy getting much on the ground, but he could be a PPR scam if the NYGs fall behind big time (which they should). I just fear that the NYGs offensive opportunities may be few and far between against a BALT offense who will dominate the clock and a D that is sneakily getting better and coming off a bye well rested.
Also considering McCormick or Isaiah Davis (if Breece is out) over Tracy for this week, based on matchups.
The problem with McCormick is we will not know for sure if he's getting the lion's share of the touches unless Pierce says so. He's been a man of his word on this so I hope he steps up into the mic and says so. If yes, I may go there.
Absolutely agree. No idea what he'll be with Mattison and/or White back.
I was also a bit disappointed to see him only get 15 carries while averaging 5+ YPC (and 16 RB carries total) vs a combined 37 pass attempts out of AOC/Ridder in a game that was never out of hand.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Tracy is in my flex spot and I will be considering starting Waddle, or even Jonnu?!, over him in a PPR league. I'll make the decision on Sunday morning.
Well, White is now on IR. One less body to compete with.
As a Bowers owner, I'm torn lol. I may need them both to score.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Should be in line for 5+ targets at the same time.
markrc99
Footballguy
No idea, but I don't think DeVito is going to do any worse. I've noticed that the RBs that have done well vs the Ravens are good, but they're also on balanced offenses, (Barkley, Tampa's RBs, Pacheco, Brown (CIN)). Gotta wonder, do they cheat up to force pass or do they get it done with their base? What's consistent is that the Giants get a chance to exploit a secondary for the 2nd week in a row.
That blocked FG was a complete joke, as if somebody owed somebody something. I mean, whatta gonna do, huh? The DL #90, he jumps over the OC to get in there to block it. But on the replay watch #93 Shepherd, he's deliberately pushing the OC down so that his teammate can jump over him... Daboll is like, are you going to look at that or not? Oh, yeah, I forgot you're shmucks.
