Brandon Lloyd, WR, New England Patriots (1 Viewer)

[Grand Master B]

Such a disappointment. The Pats have like 90 points in the first half.Lloyd? 1 catch for 12 yards.

I agree..... but the frustration is that he is getting targets..... he has had several long bomb targers just out of reach...usually 1 or 2 a game....8 targets a game is nothing to ignore. Tonight.... 3 for 26 on 6 targets. The fact he was wide open coming across the back of the end zone mid-way in 2nd qtr and an out of character poor throw by Tom or it would have been 6.

and that was with Edelman missing half the game and Gronk out. Lloyd has been a POS 90% of the year. Felt great to drop him. I was way off on this guy.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

His name has to be at the top of the list as far as biggest disappointments in recent YEARS. The preseason hype almost hooked me in as well, so glad owners took him before I was the fall guy.

 

[Grand Master B]

His name has to be at the top of the list as far as biggest disappointments in recent YEARS. The preseason hype almost hooked me in as well, so glad owners took him before I was the fall guy.

yes, he went 1 spot before I was going to grab him in my other league...sad thing is I took Antonio Brown instead. For me, Maclin is up there too, I never start him when he scores, only when he stinks it up.

 

[tls01]

This guy is droppable, at best WR5 to cover for injuries. The Pats have scored over 100 points the past two weeks, he has 0 of those points.

 

[Sabertooth]

Last guy out, hit the light switch.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Since the bye week, the Pats are averaging over 48 points per game yet Lloyd has zero TDs and less than 120 total yds. His most productive outing was the London game vs. the Rams and that was 2 catches both for TDs. He only has 100+yds receiving once this year. Even with Gronk out, I don't see how you can start him.

 

[two_dollars]

He won't see my starting lineup the rest of the season, even if he has a good game next week.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What a disappointment this guy has been. I don't think there was anyone I was more wrong about this year. 50-561-3 after 12 games? Yikes.

And their trust level with him must be way down:

-In NE's first seven games, he averaged 9 targets a game.

-In NE's last five games, he has averaged 4.6 targets a game.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Chad Ochocinco part duex. I'll never trust another free agent WR signing in the Brady era. If Brady doesn't trust you, for whatever reasons valid or invalid, you're doomed to be ignored like Lloyd has been this year. I Drafted Llyd on one team as my #1WR, he hasn't started in weeks and I'm likely done with him unless I am desperate. I bought the preseason FBG hype machine and reached for him and it burned me bad.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Disappointment yes but he was a 4th/5th round pick, that can be overcome. The 1st and 2nd round bombs like Fitzgerald for example hurt more. Most grabbed lloyd as a WR2/3 type, it hasn't panned out.

 

[FF Ninja]

Chad Ochocinco part duex. I'll never trust another free agent WR signing in the Brady era. If Brady doesn't trust you, for whatever reasons valid or invalid, you're doomed to be ignored like Lloyd has been this year. I Drafted Llyd on one team as my #1WR, he hasn't started in weeks and I'm likely done with him unless I am desperate. I bought the preseason FBG hype machine and reached for him and it burned me bad.

Do you have any clue what you are talking about? Sure Lloyd only got 1 target this week, but for most of the season he was getting plenty of targets. He had 88 targets through 12 games. That should have been enough to at least beat his ADP which I think peaked around WR27. I think he is in the top 27 in targets, but his production has just been awful. He's like WR50 in my (non-PPR) leagues.That being said, people are crying in here like they got duped into dropping a 2nd round pick on him. I am pretty sure most people snagged him in the 6th, but definitely no earlier than the 5th. When a guy has an ADP of WR27, that's a WR3 in a 12-team format. I'm bummed about him being a bust, but it could be a lot worse.

 

[Insein]

*******. The fumble TD aside, where the hell was this all year? Cut him in both leagues 3 weeks ago.

 

[Run It Up]

No stone hands in sight tonight, I thought he was done in NE - had the system down just could not make the catches. We'll see.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

*******. The fumble TD aside, where the hell was this all year? Cut him in both leagues 3 weeks ago.

This. Blew up on my bench when I needed them the most. Only good thing is now that my fantasy team died so died my ownership of Lloyd.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

27 points when he was likely on the majority of his owner's bench. This pretty much sums up the crap shoot and hand of luck that are fantasy football. I don't own Lloyd but feel for those who did this year.

 

[daveypnz]

started him as soon as i knew edelman was out.

 

[12punch]

27 points when he was likely on the majority of his owner's bench. This pretty much sums up the crap shoot and hand of luck that are fantasy football. I don't own Lloyd but feel for those who did this year.

Not this owner - gotta have faith.Although i did give up on wilson in 5 leagues a week ago

 

[FF Ninja]

27 points when he was likely on the majority of his owner's bench. This pretty much sums up the crap shoot and hand of luck that are fantasy football. I don't own Lloyd but feel for those who did this year.

Not this owner - gotta have faith.Although i did give up on wilson in 5 leagues a week ago

Hard to have faith at this point, but I started him over Danario Alexander in one league. Was pretty upset when DA put up 88/2. Lloyd ended up edging him out with his 89/2 performance.He'll be an interesting guy this offseason. If they let Welker walk for one reason or another, he could be a value play next year. A full year of familiarity with Brady won't hurt even if Welker stays. But he'll almost certainly be discounted greatly. I mean, even with this ~21 pt performance he's still WR38 in my non-PPR leagues. If he connects on just a few long plays this year, he's easily in the top 20 (he's about 25 pts away). His 11.4 ypr is a very telling stat. He's a career 14.8 guy, while Welker, a career 11.2 guy, has 11.7 ypr this year. Something is a bit awry...

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

What are the thoughts here? I held him all year. No Edelman, no Gronk. Will he become a factor for the next couple weeks? Lost Bowe and Dez in the last 24 hours. I think he may have to be my guy.

 

[Quibbler]

What are the thoughts here? I held him all year. No Edelman, no Gronk. Will he become a factor for the next couple weeks? Lost Bowe and Dez in the last 24 hours. I think he may have to be my guy.

With them out, I think he has value. Edelman had been sneaking into some of the 2WR sets before he got hurt. And Gronk was working the center of the field, leaving Lloyd catching 10yd outs along the sideline.I'm a little worried about their going out to sign a burner like Stallworth, though. It could be a sign that McDaniels still wants to keep Lloyd running shorter routes rather than using him as a deep threat It's bizarre, but it's been a year-long trend, and it's really killing his fantasy value.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

they signed stallworth because he had played for mcdaniels on the pats previously, and he was in camp with them this summer.

he was on the shadow roster

 

[jdoggydogg]

It's interesting. When I dropped him back in week eight, I really agonized over whether it was a bad decision long term.

Now I have Josh Gordon and Cecil Shorts, and couldn't be more pleased.

 

[atl3695]

Is Lloyd now a must start assuming Gronk isn't back next week?

His owners should have had him in lineup after last week and he came through splendidly. Championship week is vs. Jax

 

[gradin123]

It's interesting. When I dropped him back in week eight, I really agonized over whether it was a bad decision long term. Now I have Josh Gordon and Cecil Shorts, and couldn't be more pleased.

That is somewhat funny to me as my starting 3 WR's this week were Gordon, Shorts and Lloyd.Lloyd saved my ### tonight. Gordon crapped out and I survived a zero from Tynes.

 

[Bayhawks]

Brandon Lloyd released today.

1 season in NE.

53% catch rate at 12.3 yards/catch (47% & 15.3 heading into the 2012 season). The catch rate went up, but not as much as most of the Lloyd fans in this thread predicted/expected, and the YPC dropped pretty significantly, despite most Lloyd fans insisting that McDaniels would force the ball to Lloyd on deep balls.

He did have the 2nd most targets in NE, but Gronk and Hernandez missed 11 full games (and parts of several others), so the target numbers may have been skewed; it would be interesting to see the breakdown when all were healthy.

WR34, only a starting FF WR (and just barely) in the deepest leagues, while Welker and Gronkowski retained their top-tier WR value, and Hernandez was a top TE option when he was healthy.

It sure seems like many Lloyd supporters who ignored the facts (Lloyd was only a FF force when the team he was on had NO OTHER OPTIONS) and insisted that McDaniels would make Lloyd a top 10-15 FF WR would have been better served following the numbers and logic, rather than their gut.

 

[FF Ninja]

Brandon Lloyd released today. 1 season in NE.53% catch rate at 12.3 yards/catch (47% & 15.3 heading into the 2012 season). The catch rate went up, but not as much as most of the Lloyd fans in this thread predicted/expected, and the YPC dropped pretty significantly, despite most Lloyd fans insisting that McDaniels would force the ball to Lloyd on deep balls.He did have the 2nd most targets in NE, but Gronk and Hernandez missed 11 full games (and parts of several others), so the target numbers may have been skewed; it would be interesting to see the breakdown when all were healthy.WR34, only a starting FF WR (and just barely) in the deepest leagues, while Welker and Gronkowski retained their top-tier WR value, and Hernandez was a top TE option when he was healthy.It sure seems like many Lloyd supporters who ignored the facts (Lloyd was only a FF force when the team he was on had NO OTHER OPTIONS) and insisted that McDaniels would make Lloyd a top 10-15 FF WR would have been better served following the numbers and logic, rather than their gut.

You said there was no way in hell he'd manage 120 targets. He got 130. And they did throw the ball to him deep, Brady just couldn't connect - which also led to his lower catch rate and ypr. Nobody could've predicted that and you certainly didn't. Your whole case was that Lloyd wouldn't have enough targets or receptions to be relevant. You were dead wrong on both accounts.Lloyd supporters expected him to get at least 110 targets (I predicted 120) and improve his career catch % - he did BOTH. Nobody expected the Brady/Lloyd chemistry to be so poor, especially after all the reports that the chemistry was good and the fact that Lloyd had already been playing in this offense for two years. If any of the nay-sayers had predicted poor chemistry and a sub 13 ypr stat line, my hat would be off to them. But nobody did. To come claim you saw this coming would be like saying your prediction of a bust was proven correct due to injury. You weren't right on any of your assertions about the situation.You did mention the targets and made an excuse for them with the injuries, but Lloyd actually started out with a very high target rate and that diminished as the chemistry issue persisted. He actually had 65 targets through the first 7 games (149 target pace). Hernandez missed games #3-#5 (and most of #2). In the games with all 4 main targets in, Lloyd put up 8, 12, and 8 targets. Hernandez was 7, 9, 7. Gronk was 6, 9, 9. Welker was 5, 14, 8. Everything was in place for a huge year except for Brady's deep ball. Someone else mentioned in another thread that Brady has been more dink and dunk since Moss left. That very well could be the case.

 

[Sabertooth]

Waldman really stumped for Lloyd. I bought in, but it's apparent now that Lloyd was simply a flash in the pan.

 

[Bayhawks]

Lloyd supporters expected him to get at least 110 targets (I predicted 120) and improve his career catch % - he did BOTH. Nobody expected the Brady/Lloyd chemistry to be so poor, especially after all the reports that the chemistry was good and the fact that Lloyd had already been playing in this offense for two years. If any of the nay-sayers had predicted poor chemistry and a sub 13 ypr stat line, my hat would be off to them. But nobody did. To come claim you saw this coming would be like saying your prediction of a bust was proven correct due to injury. You weren't right on any of your assertions about the situation

Where did I claim that I saw this coming? Maybe you should re-read my previous post. I didn't mention my predictions for Lloyd at all. I was low on his target numbers, but I don't predict injury, and I wasn't wrong on Lloyd's % of NE's targets, I was wrong on the number of attempts that Brady would have. You, however, predicted that Lloyd would improve his catch rate by 13%, which I said was ridiculous. Guess what? I was right, expecting that kind of increase was ridiculous, and didn't come to fruition. You also predicted that his YPC would increase, which it did not. The NE offense isn't a deep ball offense anymore, and those who believed (you-as evidenced by your way too high YPC projection) that it would emphasize the deep ball to accommodate Lloyd, rather than emphasizing Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez (who are much more adept at the short to intermediate routes) was seeing what they wanted to see, not what was likely to happen. Bottom line is you were wrong. You expected the Pats to significantly "tweak" their offense to suit Lloyd's skill set, which many (including myself) found foolish. Then, the Pats went out and didn't change their offense. Without the deep ball, Lloyd wasn't going to get the high YPC, and without the high YPC, he wasn't going to have enough catches to put up monster yards (even with his catch rate increase, due to a better QB and shorter routes).

 

[FF Ninja]

Lloyd supporters expected him to get at least 110 targets (I predicted 120) and improve his career catch % - he did BOTH. Nobody expected the Brady/Lloyd chemistry to be so poor, especially after all the reports that the chemistry was good and the fact that Lloyd had already been playing in this offense for two years. If any of the nay-sayers had predicted poor chemistry and a sub 13 ypr stat line, my hat would be off to them. But nobody did. To come claim you saw this coming would be like saying your prediction of a bust was proven correct due to injury. You weren't right on any of your assertions about the situation

Where did I claim that I saw this coming? Maybe you should re-read my previous post. I didn't mention my predictions for Lloyd at all. I was low on his target numbers, but I don't predict injury, and I wasn't wrong on Lloyd's % of NE's targets, I was wrong on the number of attempts that Brady would have. You, however, predicted that Lloyd would improve his catch rate by 13%, which I said was ridiculous. Guess what? I was right, expecting that kind of increase was ridiculous, and didn't come to fruition. You also predicted that his YPC would increase, which it did not. The NE offense isn't a deep ball offense anymore, and those who believed (you-as evidenced by your way too high YPC projection) that it would emphasize the deep ball to accommodate Lloyd, rather than emphasizing Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez (who are much more adept at the short to intermediate routes) was seeing what they wanted to see, not what was likely to happen. Bottom line is you were wrong. You expected the Pats to significantly "tweak" their offense to suit Lloyd's skill set, which many (including myself) found foolish. Then, the Pats went out and didn't change their offense. Without the deep ball, Lloyd wasn't going to get the high YPC, and without the high YPC, he wasn't going to have enough catches to put up monster yards (even with his catch rate increase, due to a better QB and shorter routes).

erg... You are making your points now about as poorly as you made them a year ago. I simply expected Lloyd's catch % to increase with his QB's completion percentage. A very reasonable assumption and a proven correlation. You ignorantly assumed it would not. Your jibber jabber about changing the offense and whatnot is nothing more than drivel. They DID attempt deep passes to Lloyd early in the season and they just didn't work, due to some combination of chemistry and possibly Brady's age. Thus, the deep passes - and his targets in general - were decreased. You basically blind-squirreled your way into a somewhat correct end result. Nothing you predicted came true the way you predicted it. So it is just dumb to bump this like you knew what you were talking about and you were right. You called corner pocket and hit a side pocket. Luckily for you, fantasy football is the equivalent to playing garbage in pool, so take your lucky shot and move along. Don't go bragging about. Nobody is impressed.

 

[Bayhawks]

erg... You are making your points now about as poorly as you made them a year ago. I simply expected Lloyd's catch % to increase with his QB's completion percentage. A very reasonable assumption and a proven correlation. You ignorantly assumed it would not.

I'm making my points poorly? Maybe you should go back and actually read what you and I postedost #56, 6/3/2012

You have Lloyd catching 60% of his targets. That's way too high. His career catch rate is 47%, and his average over the last 2 seasons (his "big" seasons) is 49%. The argument that Brady is a better QB than his other QBs is over-played, too. Randy Moss, Deion Branch, and Jabar Gaffney all play/played with Brady in NE, and played a significant amount of time elsewhere. (I didn't count Ochocinco b/c of his limited use last year, nor did I count Welker, because of his limited use in Miami before the trade). Moss saw his catch rate with NE rise only 3% over his career catch rate, Branch saw his go up 5%, and Gaffney saw his go up 3%. Predicting a 60% catch rate for Lloyd is a 13% increase! A 5% increase would be more realistic.

So, you predicted a 13% increase (which clearly WAS NOT "a very reasonable assumption and a proven correlation," since Brady had failed to elevate any other WR's catch rate that much), and I said a 5% increase was more realistic. He finished with a 6% increase.

Your jibber jabber about changing the offense and whatnot is nothing more than drivel. They DID attempt deep passes to Lloyd early in the season and they just didn't work, due to some combination of chemistry and possibly Brady's age. Thus, the deep passes - and his targets in general - were decreased.

The deep balls didn't continue because they didn't work. The Patriots offense (as it was prior to last year) was focused on short to intermediate routes. Whether that is because Brady can't make the deep throws, or because he (and BB) don't like to the risk/reward ratio that goes with those attempts, or some other reason doesn't matter. You predicted a change in the Patriots offense that would give Lloyd very good stats. I predicted NE would not make that change, not to the degree that it would allow him to get the stats you hoped for. I was wrong about the number of attempts by Brady, and thus the number of targets Lloyd would get. In addition, I didn't predict any injuries. But my premise was proven to be accurate: The Pats offense wasn't going to change, and Lloyd wasn't going to have the kind of success you hoped for if it didn't. If you trusted your projections and drafted Lloyd, you screwed up that pick. If I trusted my projections and avoided Lloyd (as I did), I made the right decision. Try to re-write what you and I posted all you want, that is the bottom line.

 

[FF Ninja]

The deep balls didn't continue because they didn't work. The Patriots offense (as it was prior to last year) was focused on short to intermediate routes.

So much blather. Take this quote for instance. Did they try to shift their offense and fail or did they focus on short routes? Both lines can't be true.Again, you weren't right about anything. The only thing that saved your prediction was poor chemistry and/or performance by Brady. Bumping this to brag was a d0uc3b@g move.

 

[Bayhawks]

The deep balls didn't continue because they didn't work. The Patriots offense (as it was prior to last year) was focused on short to intermediate routes.

So much blather. Take this quote for instance. Did they try to shift their offense and fail or did they focus on short routes? Both lines can't be true.Again, you weren't right about anything. The only thing that saved your prediction was poor chemistry and/or performance by Brady. Bumping this to brag was a d0uc3b@g move.

What are you talking about? What quote? I didn't say they tried to shift their offense and failed. I said they didn't continue to throw deep to Lloyd b/c it didn't work. Look up the stats; in 2012 the Pats didn't go deep any more often than they did in the past, and that's why Lloyd didn't put up the numbers you had hoped for. Since they didn't throw deep more often than they had previously, and they continued to focus on shorter/intermediate routes (as they have done the past few years), their offense didn't change. Again, I didn't bump this to brag. My first post (since the season ended) didn't even mention my predictions/projections. It's right there, feel free to read it again if you're having trouble understanding that. And, for the record, you weren't right about any more than I was. The only thing you were right about was his targets. I was right about his catch rate increase (within 1%). You were wrong on eveerhting else. You hoped for a signficant change in NE's offense that I said wasn't likely. That change didn't happen, and if you drafted Lloyd based on your hopes and poor projections, you wasted a draft pick.

 

[FF Ninja]

The deep balls didn't continue because they didn't work. The Patriots offense (as it was prior to last year) was focused on short to intermediate routes.

So much blather. Take this quote for instance. Did they try to shift their offense and fail or did they focus on short routes? Both lines can't be true.Again, you weren't right about anything. The only thing that saved your prediction was poor chemistry and/or performance by Brady. Bumping this to brag was a d0uc3b@g move.

What are you talking about? What quote? I didn't say they tried to shift their offense and failed. I said they didn't continue to throw deep to Lloyd b/c it didn't work. Look up the stats; in 2012 the Pats didn't go deep any more often than they did in the past, and that's why Lloyd didn't put up the numbers you had hoped for. Since they didn't throw deep more often than they had previously, and they continued to focus on shorter/intermediate routes (as they have done the past few years), their offense didn't change. Again, I didn't bump this to brag. My first post (since the season ended) didn't even mention my predictions/projections. It's right there, feel free to read it again if you're having trouble understanding that. And, for the record, you weren't right about any more than I was. The only thing you were right about was his targets. I was right about his catch rate increase (within 1%). You were wrong on eveerhting else. You hoped for a signficant change in NE's offense that I said wasn't likely. That change didn't happen, and if you drafted Lloyd based on your hopes and poor projections, you wasted a draft pick.

The quote that I quoted maybe? One line says they attempted deep passes and quit because it didn't work. The other asserts they never shifted the focus from short/intermediate passes. So which was it? Did they shift to deep passes and then revert when it failed or did they never shift? I don't really care for your answer. Just pointing out the contradictory drivel. And yes, your first post didn't specifically reference your predictions (probably because they were crap) but the post was specifically intended to bump the thread and claim the supporters failed to follow logic. So yes, the post was a bump to gloat when you were pretty much wrong on all accounts. Thus, d0uch3y move.

 

[Chachi]

The last 20 posts here???

 

[Sake-Bombers]

So having not heard much about Lloyd recently, but figuring he'll sign *somewhere* before next season, my guess is that teams are waiting for the draft at this point before signing a guy like Lloyd. So we'll probably need to revisit potential destinations for him post-draft.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So having not heard much about Lloyd recently, but figuring he'll sign *somewhere* before next season, my guess is that teams are waiting for the draft at this point before signing a guy like Lloyd. So we'll probably need to revisit potential destinations for him post-draft.

I doubt he is signed like a #1 WR, not saying he can't make some waves where he ends up but at this point he might take a lesser role on a better team like he did with the Pats. But there are teams where he could walk in and compete for a starting spot.

 

[seahawk 17]

Any ideas why this guy is not on a roster?

 

[karmarooster]

Beats me. Maybe he doesn't want to play?

If SD, NYJ, or Philly and a handful of other teams have offered him the league-min for a veteran on a 1 year deal, and he has refused it, then I would understand. Otherwise, SD not signing him basically means they are gunning for Jadeveon Clowney.

Probably makes more sense to consider title contenders, or teams that have a chance at making the playoffs: SF, Baltimore, Washington, Detroit, even Carolina, or Seattle. All of those teams could benefit with him as a WR2/3 to stretch the field and open it up for other WRs and underneath RBs and TEs.

 

[Groundpounder]

Or he's waiting until training camp is over and then he'll sign.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Any ideas why this guy is not on a roster?

The guy is a locker room cancer. It's pretty well known he's a grade A #######.

 

[Raider Nation]

Any ideas why this guy is not on a roster?

The guy is a locker room cancer. It's pretty well known he's a grade A #######.

Yep.

 

[BigTex]

I dropped him from my roster this morning.........very disappointing.

 

[seahawk 17]

I have heard that he is a cancer before, but have never seen any feedback on that.

 

[Saint]

I have to think San Diego may be calling.

 

[cstu]

I have heard that he is a cancer before, but have never seen any feedback on that.

One of his teammates was talking to him and Lloyd cut him off and said "I don't want to talk to you anymore" and walked away.

 

[Keith Lewis]

I have heard that he is a cancer before, but have never seen any feedback on that.

One of his teammates was talking to him and Lloyd cut him off and said "I don't want to talk to you anymore" and walked away.

I do that to annoying people all the time!!!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have heard that he is a cancer before, but have never seen any feedback on that.

One of his teammates was talking to him and Lloyd cut him off and said "I don't want to talk to you anymore" and walked away.

I don't want to read your posts anymore

 

[Ministry of Pain]

After reading LaConfora's article this week on WRs, it's rather shocking Lloyd is not on a team already, i mean seriously, this guy has flashed some nice skills the past 3-4 years, maybe NE was not his best place but teams have needs, would love for the Miami Dolphins to sign him at this point.

 

[bushdocda]

After reading LaConfora's article this week on WRs, it's rather shocking Lloyd is not on a team already, i mean seriously, this guy has flashed some nice skills the past 3-4 years, maybe NE was not his best place but teams have needs, would love for the Miami Dolphins to sign him at this point.

I thought you were LaCanfora.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

He is sitting on the FA market in our 14 team league and have a roster spot available...worth a flyer?