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Macdaddy_2004

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In a similiar mold of Darren Sproles and Joshua Cribbs where do you see Brandon Tate's value this year in return yardage leagues?

We give 1 pt per 10 yards rush/recv

0.5ppr

1 pt per 20 return yards.

Is he a no doubt roster spot? Is he being started in your league?

 
He's a no doubt roster spot in a return yardage league, and a possible starter as well, particularly if the Pats defense continues to be shaky (more KR attempts). In my non-PPR league w/ 1pt per 25 return yards, he's gotten double digit points 2 out of 3 weeks. I'm debating plugging him in over either Steve Smith NYG or Mark Clayton as a WR3.

 
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A guy in my league has started him every week and he's been really consistent - putting up double digit pts every week which is as good as some of the higher level receivers depending on your scoring system.

 
We get 1 point for every 25 return yards. We start 4/5 wr's each week (8 team). He's still on our ww. While somebody should likely pick him up, he's not worth starting most weeks.

He needs to start getting more work on the offense to start having significant value.

He plays the Dolphins this week then the Ravens after next week's bye. I don't see a ton of kr opportunities in either game.

 
We get 1 point for every 25 return yards. We start 4/5 wr's each week (8 team). He's still on our ww. While somebody should likely pick him up, he's not worth starting most weeks.He needs to start getting more work on the offense to start having significant value.He plays the Dolphins this week then the Ravens after next week's bye. I don't see a ton of kr opportunities in either game.
Because the NE defence was able to hold Buffalo and NYJ off the board?
 
What do people view as his potential as a WR? Could he be a starter eventually?
The talent is definitely there. Some people considered Tate a superior WR prospect to Hakeem Nicks when they were at UNC together, until Tate tore his ACL and MCL. Plus if Randy Moss is to be believed that this is his last year as a Patriot, well, let's just say Tate is a dynasty buy for me.
 
We get 1 point for every 25 return yards. We start 4/5 wr's each week (8 team). He's still on our ww. While somebody should likely pick him up, he's not worth starting most weeks.He needs to start getting more work on the offense to start having significant value.He plays the Dolphins this week then the Ravens after next week's bye. I don't see a ton of kr opportunities in either game.
Because the NE defence was able to hold Buffalo and NYJ off the board?
And yet he's had less than 7 points each of the last two weeks. Is he worth keeping an eye on and/or rostering? Sure. Starting with any regularity? Eh...not unless your league is VERY generous with the return yardage scoring.
 
We get 1 point for every 25 return yards. We start 4/5 wr's each week (8 team). He's still on our ww. While somebody should likely pick him up, he's not worth starting most weeks.He needs to start getting more work on the offense to start having significant value.He plays the Dolphins this week then the Ravens after next week's bye. I don't see a ton of kr opportunities in either game.
Because the NE defence was able to hold Buffalo and NYJ off the board?
And yet he's had less than 7 points each of the last two weeks. Is he worth keeping an eye on and/or rostering? Sure. Starting with any regularity? Eh...not unless your league is VERY generous with the return yardage scoring.
Right now he is the #17 WR in my leauge.Where does he rank in your league?
 
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Tate has been the equivalent of a WR2 right now for me with the KR yards. He's done better than Macolm Floyd and Eddie Royal for me. Pats D looks like they'll be letting up points this year. He should have alot of KR's to rack up yards.

 
We get 1 point for every 25 return yards. We start 4/5 wr's each week (8 team). He's still on our ww. While somebody should likely pick him up, he's not worth starting most weeks.He needs to start getting more work on the offense to start having significant value.He plays the Dolphins this week then the Ravens after next week's bye. I don't see a ton of kr opportunities in either game.
Because the NE defence was able to hold Buffalo and NYJ off the board?
And yet he's had less than 7 points each of the last two weeks. Is he worth keeping an eye on and/or rostering? Sure. Starting with any regularity? Eh...not unless your league is VERY generous with the return yardage scoring.
Right now he is the #17 WR in my leauge.Where does he rank in your league?
24. Though his week 1 outburst has greatly skewed the stats imo. I don't count on my return men getting a touchdown. He's a good bye week filler but until he starts getting more than 1-2 catches per game he's not a guy you should rely on for more than 6ish points per week.There's value in that floor, but I'm not eager to roll him out with any regularity. Big fan of his in dynasty leagues.
 
Week1 he was the #6WR in my leagueWeek2 he was the #47WR in my leagueWeek3 he was the #32WR in my league
Seems to me like he's not a guy you want to start if you can help it. Touchdowns are hard to predict on offense, but special teams touchdowns aren't all that common. It of course depends how many wr's you play and what your scoring setup is, but those who look at his season totals and simply divide it be three are going to be disappointed. I think most weeks will be like weeks 2 and 3.
 
I agree tate is definately worthy of a Flex/ Matchup/ Byeweek filler

Not trying to hijack this but since we are talking about WR with Return Assignments, do we add Dexter McCluster to the list as well? Seems like a similar situation

 
Week1 he was the #6WR in my leagueWeek2 he was the #47WR in my leagueWeek3 he was the #32WR in my league
Seems to me like he's not a guy you want to start if you can help it. Touchdowns are hard to predict on offense, but special teams touchdowns aren't all that common. It of course depends how many wr's you play and what your scoring setup is, but those who look at his season totals and simply divide it be three are going to be disappointed. I think most weeks will be like weeks 2 and 3.
In those weeks I did not look at how many players were actually rostered. There were probably a good handful that weren't - I took a quick look and in week3 13 players who were not rostered finished ahead of him.So out of the players that were starting he was WR19.Notable players that finished lower than WR19 that week include Andre Johnson, Fitz, Donald Driver, Hines Ward.
 
I agree tate is definately worthy of a Flex/ Matchup/ Byeweek filler Not trying to hijack this but since we are talking about WR with Return Assignments, do we add Dexter McCluster to the list as well? Seems like a similar situation
It looks like he is splitting return duties and this far Tate has touched the ball at least 1-2 times per game. McCluster looks like he is not getting as many opps as Tate.
 
In a league where you get 1 pt. per 10 return yards he's a must start in my opinion and he has been for me and I haven't been disappointed.

 
Week1 he was the #6WR in my leagueWeek2 he was the #47WR in my leagueWeek3 he was the #32WR in my league
Seems to me like he's not a guy you want to start if you can help it. Touchdowns are hard to predict on offense, but special teams touchdowns aren't all that common. It of course depends how many wr's you play and what your scoring setup is, but those who look at his season totals and simply divide it be three are going to be disappointed. I think most weeks will be like weeks 2 and 3.
In those weeks I did not look at how many players were actually rostered. There were probably a good handful that weren't - I took a quick look and in week3 13 players who were not rostered finished ahead of him.So out of the players that were starting he was WR19.Notable players that finished lower than WR19 that week include Andre Johnson, Fitz, Donald Driver, Hines Ward.
We must be looking at different scoring setups. Fitz and Driver both outscored Tate last week in my league. Not sure about the other two. It doesn't mean you should start benching Fitzgerald for Tate each week.All wr's are streaky and will have bad games. The nice thing about guys who do returns is their floor isn't as low. As I already mentioned, Tate's a guarantee for about 6 points a game. While that's nice, the only way he's going to start having a reasonable expectation of a higher ceiling is if he starts getting more work with Brady (similar to how Harvin does returns and gets quite a bit of work with Favre).
In a league where you get 1 pt. per 10 return yards he's a must start in my opinion and he has been for me and I haven't been disappointed.
In such a scoring setting, virtually any player getting return duties is a must start. Guys like Austin, White, Moss, and AJ become comparable to guys like Cribbs.
 
I'm not saying Bench Fitz for Tate.

I'm saying he looks like a solid flex play every week in a league where you start 3WR and 1 WR/RB

0.5ppr

1pt per 10 yards rush/recv

1pt per 20 return yards

 
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I'm saying he's not. Let's assume a 10 team league. Per your scoring, he was #47 and #32 the last two weeks. You start 3 wr's? He's barely somebody's #3 guy and that's assuming another team has loaded up on good wr's.

If we start taking a flex play into account, the only he's maybe worth a start is if your flex only lets you start a wr/te (no rb)...and even then I'd look at my other options.

He certainly has the upside of week 1, but it's not like that's anything you should count on. Very good bye week filler.

 
So in a 0.5ppr return yardage league who do you think would be a better flex play than Tate? I am assuming if you start 3WR and 2RB and 1 WR/RB say half of the flex players are RB and half are WR.

Essentially if you can start a guy who finishes inside the top30WR or top 25RB than that is a good flex play.

Would you consider a Steve Smith (CAR) a better flex play?

 
So in a 0.5ppr return yardage league who do you think would be a better flex play than Tate? I am assuming if you start 3WR and 2RB and 1 WR/RB say half of the flex players are RB and half are WR.Essentially if you can start a guy who finishes inside the top30WR or top 25RB than that is a good flex play.Would you consider a Steve Smith (CAR) a better flex play?
I don't want to start naming every player that I think will be better or worse. Tate is not a guy who will finish as a top 30 wr on most weeks. Steve Smith has not been good this year (rather, his qb/HC has not been good). I would play Steve Smith this week as they're going against the Saints. Fox abandoned the run in the second half last week after they fell behind. I imagine they'll fall behind even sooner this week. Steve Smith has a higher probability to finish with lower points, but his ceiling is imo much higher as well. Yes, I know the two of them are quite comparable thus far points wise. There's nothing wrong with either strategy. :popcorn:
 
So basically it depends on league size, lineup requirements and scoring system. In my non-PPR league @ 1pt per 25 return yards, he's currently WR29. In a 16-team, start 3WR league like mine, Tate is certainly startable. But in a 10/12 team league, that may not make him much of a difference maker that you'd like out of a WR3 spot, although the potential for KR TD's in addition to offensive TD's gives him some unique upside vs average WR3's.

 
Let's look at it this way. Like I said before, Tate is currently the #11 WR in my league, making him a borderline WR1. Here's his rankings per week (non-PPR, 1 pt/10 yds receiving, 1 pt/20 yds returns):

Week 1: #5 in fantasy points for the week

Week 2: #29

Week 3: #27

The guy above him at #10 overall is Miles Austin, a more standard elite receiver who doesn't return kicks. Here's his weekly breakdown:

Week 1: #3

Week 2: #12

Week 3: #96

The guy below him at #12 overall is Malcolm Floyd, also a more standard elite receiver who doesn't return kicks. Here's his weekly breakdown:

Week 1: #57

Week 2: #6

Week 3: #13

So comparing these three, I would take Tate over these guys, since he's far more consistent than Austin or Floyd. Both had two WR1/WR2 weeks and one week where I probably started them and wished I hadn't. Tate, meanwhile, had three respectable weeks where he performed no worse than a WR3.

Of course, three weeks is too small of a sample size to make any sweeping conclusions. But having the security of those return yards coming in every week is a nice thing to have.

 
Ugh, wish I saw this thread before my waiver was processed. Dropped him last week and was going to use a flyer on him again but I wasn't sure if he could keep getting 5 KR for like ~150 yds a week for the rest of the year. I was under the impression that the elite returners had to return both punts and kick returns. Plus it looks like Patriots value their TEs more than WR3s this year although I can't see how many snaps he sees a game anymore. Don't know if he ends up being one of the top returners at the end of the year or not.

 
shortbow said:
Can we get some projections here 40/400/4 plus 2000 return yards would make him equivalent to a 1400 yard receiver in my league.
I think 2000 is about 800 more than he will get.
With the NE DEF playing as bad is they are I believe Tate is already at around 600 KR yards now - I see no problem with him averaging at least 80 a game from here on outThat would be a total for around 1500 return yards.
 
So is Tate worth a roster spot even in leagues without return yardage? Will his role continue to expand in the passing game? Or are there simply too many targets in NE for him to be a factor?

 
So is Tate worth a roster spot even in leagues without return yardage? Will his role continue to expand in the passing game? Or are there simply too many targets in NE for him to be a factor?
If you don't get KR yards than I wouldn't bother unless its like a 16 team league and you start 3WR and a flex.
 
Much better now. He's the #4 WR in my point system and now with Moss gone, that can only go up. I see a Desean Jackson type possibly. Lots of big plays that are hard to predict for regular formats but with the KR as insurance, he's a must start.

 
Much better now. He's the #4 WR in my point system and now with Moss gone, that can only go up. I see a Desean Jackson type possibly. Lots of big plays that are hard to predict for regular formats but with the KR as insurance, he's a must start.
It can't "only go up". He's averaging a kickoff return TD every other game. He's not going to finish this season with 8 kickoff return TDs, so his return scoring is going to decline in coming weeks.With that said, the bigger role in the offense certainly does bode well for his prospects of finishing this season as a high-quality starting WR.
 
Much better now. He's the #4 WR in my point system and now with Moss gone, that can only go up. I see a Desean Jackson type possibly. Lots of big plays that are hard to predict for regular formats but with the KR as insurance, he's a must start.
It can't "only go up". He's averaging a kickoff return TD every other game. He's not going to finish this season with 8 kickoff return TDs, so his return scoring is going to decline in coming weeks.With that said, the bigger role in the offense certainly does bode well for his prospects of finishing this season as a high-quality starting WR.
What I meant was TD's are scored as TD's regardless in my league but return yards are worth half what receiving yards are. So more chance at receiving yards while keeping the return gig should only improve his situation.
 
Scouting Report: North Carolina's Brandon Tate

PUBLISHED Tuesday, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:23 pm EDT

Russ Lande

Sporting News

NFL position: WR

Height: 5-11 7⁄8

Weight: 183

40 time: 4.60

Current projection: Second-round pick

NFL comparison: Terrell Owens

Hands: Has big hands and is able to catch nearly every ball thrown his way. Stays focused on the ball when running routes into traffic. Plucks the high ball with no trouble. Takes the hard hit and holds on to the ball. Makes tough catches with defense swarming around him. Is able to twist his body to catch passes thrown behind him without having to slow down. Is able to get down to catch low passes with surprising ease. Grade: 8.5

Patterns: Uses his size to shield the defender and his hands to push off and create space. Is a little upright running routes, and lacks explosiveness out of cuts to separate from cornerbacks. Gets good body position on deep routes, and can shield the defender from the ball. Does well running quick, aggressive slant routes into traffic. Grade: 6.0

Run after catch: Gets started upfield quickly after the catch, accelerates to full speed and has a quick burst through cracks to make big plays. Is a strong and aggressive runner, breaking tackles to gain yards after contact. Has the wiggle to make tacklers miss. Left school as the ACC's all-time leader in total return yards. Grade: 8.5

Release: Lacks explosiveness off the snap into his route, but once moving accelerates to full speed quickly, closing the cushion on the cornerback. Has the size and agility to defeat jams by powering through them or beating them with quickness. Grade: 6.5

Blocking: Uses size and strength to eliminate his man from the play. Can dominate his man when aggressive. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: Going into the '08 season, Tate was viewed primarily as a return man but stepped up early in the year to emerge as an NFL-caliber receiver. Unfortunately, he played in only six games before injuring his knee and underwent surgery to repair his right MCL and ACL. Tate must prove his knee is healthy and convince teams he can return to his pre-injury form to remain a high draft pick. He has the tools to rebound from his injury and become a productive big-play receiver and return man in the NFL.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2009...as-brandon-tate

 

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