RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (8 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From India Times... 2-4 Games....

Quinshon Judkins’ future uncertain: NFL nears 2-4 game suspension, Browns hold off signing | NFL News - The Times of India

NFL News: The Cleveland Browns are facing uncertainty in their backfield as rookie Quinshon Judkins awaits a potential NFL suspension of 2-4 games stemming from

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

The Times of India????

Sure would seem odd they would have some kind of better sources here than any other media source. Not sure I buy they have any real info.

Honestly I’d trust them more than I would Kyle Shanahan with injury reporting.

 

[Jail]

It's disturbing how interested the NFL is about this incident
Judkins isn't even signed so he's not really drawing a paycheck yet from the Browns and Goodell is eager to suspend him
No arrest or charges filed, that should be about the end of it.

Do you think Adam SIlver investigates like this in the NBA?
Gary Bettman, Rob Manfred?

Sinner tried to cause a riot at the US Open, questioned the gender of the chair umpire and all he got was a fine

Remember that Ray Rice was never convicted of anything either. Obviously it was a very different situation, but that case almost brought Goodell down. They tried to use the lack of a criminal conviction to justify their initial suspension, but that didn’t matter in the eyes of the public after the video surfaced. People were calling for his resignation, and Ray Rice never played again. They said they never saw the video before it surfaced, but I don’t buy it.

and Devin Bush has a trail date Dec 2nd for his Domestic Arrest during the off-season and he's not suspended... not on the Exempt List... and will be playing Sunday; and honestly, nobody cares. I will continue to say this whole thing is to pressure Judkins to sign a lesser contract than he was drafted in.

Browns linebacker set to go to trial Dec. 2 on domestic charges

The veteran linebacker was arrested in May and charged in a domestic incident at his home just outside of Pittsburgh.

www.cleveland.com

I have no interest in doing a deep dive into the Bush situation, but even just a quick read of your link tells me it’s not the same.

I’ve already made several posts about what I think the NFL and Goodell are afraid of. You keep bringing up this issue as though it’s the same for some reason. It’s clearly not. Seems obvious to me you have something against the Browns.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's disturbing how interested the NFL is about this incident
Judkins isn't even signed so he's not really drawing a paycheck yet from the Browns and Goodell is eager to suspend him
No arrest or charges filed, that should be about the end of it.

Do you think Adam SIlver investigates like this in the NBA?
Gary Bettman, Rob Manfred?

Sinner tried to cause a riot at the US Open, questioned the gender of the chair umpire and all he got was a fine

Remember that Ray Rice was never convicted of anything either. Obviously it was a very different situation, but that case almost brought Goodell down. They tried to use the lack of a criminal conviction to justify their initial suspension, but that didn’t matter in the eyes of the public after the video surfaced. People were calling for his resignation, and Ray Rice never played again. They said they never saw the video before it surfaced, but I don’t buy it.

Remember when Michael Vick was sent to prison for the illegal dog fighting ring he was running/fronting?
The NFL was scared they were going to lose their female fans
Women were screaming bloody murder over that incident because the NFL had built up a pretty strong female fan base which equals massive ratings and stadium sellouts everywhere
Lot of dudes were upset as well, wasn't just women but they were super vocal and
What did the NFL do?
Breast Cancer Awareness and they put pink wristbands, shoes, belts and socks on the players to show support for one of the #1 killers of females in the country
Men don't need that kind of awareness at their football games but the NFL wanted to protect the shield

I said that to say yes, Goodell wanted to keep his job like you say and Ray Rice was never seen again...he was just 26 yrs old when the NFL decided to never hire him again
Rice had two 2,000 total yd seasons packed into a 4 year span from '09-'12 where he totaled close to 7,500 yds

 

[KellysHeroes]

It's disturbing how interested the NFL is about this incident
Judkins isn't even signed so he's not really drawing a paycheck yet from the Browns and Goodell is eager to suspend him
No arrest or charges filed, that should be about the end of it.

Do you think Adam SIlver investigates like this in the NBA?
Gary Bettman, Rob Manfred?

Sinner tried to cause a riot at the US Open, questioned the gender of the chair umpire and all he got was a fine

Remember that Ray Rice was never convicted of anything either. Obviously it was a very different situation, but that case almost brought Goodell down. They tried to use the lack of a criminal conviction to justify their initial suspension, but that didn’t matter in the eyes of the public after the video surfaced. People were calling for his resignation, and Ray Rice never played again. They said they never saw the video before it surfaced, but I don’t buy it.

and Devin Bush has a trail date Dec 2nd for his Domestic Arrest during the off-season and he's not suspended... not on the Exempt List... and will be playing Sunday; and honestly, nobody cares. I will continue to say this whole thing is to pressure Judkins to sign a lesser contract than he was drafted in.

Browns linebacker set to go to trial Dec. 2 on domestic charges

The veteran linebacker was arrested in May and charged in a domestic incident at his home just outside of Pittsburgh.

www.cleveland.com

I have no interest in doing a deep dive into the Bush situation, but even just a quick read of your link tells me it’s not the same.

I’ve already made several posts about what I think the NFL and Goodell are afraid of. You keep bringing up this issue as though it’s the same for some reason. It’s clearly not. Seems obvious to me you have something against the Browns.

Well you should, and I find interesting that nobody really cares.
And it is worse because a) the girl actually called for help while the incident occurred and b) she has audio evidence.

Bush’s girlfriend told police that the two got into a heated argument at his home. According to a police report, she told officers that he assaulted her and took her car keys. He also smashed her phone, the report said.
A police officer observed an abrasion on the inside of her right wrist and on her right foot, according to the report. She told police the marks stemmed from the struggle for the phone.
In addition to possible sanctions from the Browns, the NFL could also punish Bush under its personal conduct policy.

Sounds very much like Judkins case; the only difference is Bush actually did this while Judkins can deny everything due to lack of any evidence

 

[massraider]

I said that to say yes, Goodell wanted to keep his job like you say and Ray Rice was never seen again...he was just 26 yrs old when the NFL decided to never hire him again
Rice had two 2,000 total yd seasons packed into a 4 year span from '09-'12 where he totaled close to 7,500 yds

They came down on Rice because of the video. You HEAR about some bad thing going on, hey let's suspend him.

You SEE video of a guy knocking his lady out cold, bouncing her head off a railing, then behaving like he was annoyed he had to drag her unconscious body out of the elevator, well you get much worse.

Don't punch your lady in a casino

 

[jobarules]

Just signed 4 yr deal

 

[KellysHeroes]

Just signed 4 yr deal

Fully Guaranteed

 

[KellysHeroes]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Worth a pick up in redraft? I don't know much about him or this situation but he's not likely to play until at least week 2 you'd think?

 

[electric Ape]

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

 

[Banger]

Worth a pick up in redraft? I don't know much about him or this situation but he's not likely to play until at least week 2 you'd think?

Definitely

 

[Peak]

Worth dropping Nick Chubb for Q?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Worth dropping Nick Chubb for Q?

Yes

 

[Proteus]

LFG!!!!!!!!

 

[FantasyMC]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

 

[Proteus]

I said that to say yes, Goodell wanted to keep his job like you say and Ray Rice was never seen again...he was just 26 yrs old when the NFL decided to never hire him again
Rice had two 2,000 total yd seasons packed into a 4 year span from '09-'12 where he totaled close to 7,500 yds

They came down on Rice because of the video. You HEAR about some bad thing going on, hey let's suspend him.

You SEE video of a guy knocking his lady out cold, bouncing her head off a railing, then behaving like he was annoyed he had to drag her unconscious body out of the elevator, well you get much worse.

Don't punch your lady in a casino

Isn't this a Hunter S. Thompson essay title?

 

[The Kerminator]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

My best guess is the holdup on the contract was the suspension. Maybe Cleveland got word regarding the length of the suspension. The fact the contract is fully guaranteed leads me to believe that the suspension is very minimal. As a Judkins owner that is what I choose to believe

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

My best guess is the holdup on the contract was the suspension. Maybe Cleveland got word regarding the length of the suspension. The fact the contract is fully guaranteed leads me to believe that the suspension is very minimal. As a Judkins owner that is what I choose to believe

2-4 weeks. My guess is 2.

 

[The Kerminator]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

My best guess is the holdup on the contract was the suspension. Maybe Cleveland got word regarding the length of the suspension. The fact the contract is fully guaranteed leads me to believe that the suspension is very minimal. As a Judkins owner that is what I choose to believe

2-4 weeks. My guess is 2.

I did read somewhere the 2-4 week timeline with NFLPA pushing for only 2. He'll end up with 4. They'll appeal. And reduce it to 3.

 

[electric Ape]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

Up until now the most trusted reporting on Judkins that was getting circulated the most was Tony Grossi's speculation that QJ's delay in signing was caused by the NFL and NFLPA being in active negotiation over his suspension length and that ultimately QJ would receive a 2-4 game punishment. Things could still play out that way but this morning's signing with no punishment attached increases the chances of zero suspension at least a little. And the more time that passes between the contract announcement and no word from the NFL, the more likely it is that Grossi's read on the situation was not correct. We all know how concerned with PR the NFL is. If the Browns are forking over a fully guaranteed deal and the NFL is letting a positive news cycle on QJ circulate without dropping the hammer there's at least some chance no punishment is forthcoming

 

[KellysHeroes]

Now we wait and see about a suspension

My best guess is the holdup on the contract was the suspension. Maybe Cleveland got word regarding the length of the suspension. The fact the contract is fully guaranteed leads me to believe that the suspension is very minimal. As a Judkins owner that is what I choose to believe

2-4 weeks. My guess is 2.

I did read somewhere the 2-4 week timeline with NFLPA pushing for only 2. He'll end up with 4. They'll appeal. And reduce it to 3.

The suspension talk is speculation from beat writers or "insiders" the NFLPA and NFL official statement is they are investigating with their own resources.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Wonder if they’re trying to squeeze him in so this week 1 game counts against any suspension

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I hate to be that guy but this situation screams an early season hammy tweak

 

[themeistersinger]

I'm thinking the NFL investigation mainly focused on "Are you SURE there is no video" and "Are you SURE there is no audio" and "Are you SURE there are no eye witnesses". If they are sure there is no video, no audio and no eye witness then on what grounds are they going to suspend him?

And how likely is it that a no-suspension blows up in their face? (Assuming the guy doesn't have another incident - strike two becomes a pattern of behavior).

 

[Ilov80s]

Alright let’s roll baby

 

[MAC_32]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

Whatever you have to tell yourself, homey, cause...

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

...the league was always the one holding this up.

 

[Faust]

Hayden Winks
With the case dropped and his contract signed, it’s largely up to the NFL to finish its investigation. That should mean 6 games missed at the maximum. Could settle in the 2-5 game range however.

We’ll see if he goes to the Exempt List.

https://x.com/haydenwinks/status/1964346866180771974?s=61

 

[amnesiac]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

Whatever you have to tell yourself, homey, cause...

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

...the league was always the one holding this up.

why did the league give them a roster exemption?

does this guarantee a suspension?

hopefully Judkins has learned something from this whole experience.

 

[KellysHeroes]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

Whatever you have to tell yourself, homey, cause...

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

...the league was always the one holding this up.

Explain please

 

[MAC_32]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

Whatever you have to tell yourself, homey, cause...

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

...the league was always the one holding this up.

why did the league give them a roster exemption?

does this guarantee a suspension?

hopefully Judkins has learned something from this whole experience.

Great questions for the league. With how long they've held this up they should be equipped to answer them.

 

[amnesiac]

What say everyone now, like I said... it was purely financial and the player won

Whatever you have to tell yourself, homey, cause...

MKC is reporting Judkins won't play this week (obviously) and that the Browns will seek a 2 week roster exemption for him. She says he'll play as soon as he's ready

...the league was always the one holding this up.

why did the league give them a roster exemption?

does this guarantee a suspension?

hopefully Judkins has learned something from this whole experience.

Great questions for the league. With how long they've held this up they should be equipped to answer them.

re-reading it, it says they can activate him whenever they want.

so it sounds like it’s not a suspension roster exemption that were used to seeing.

 

[menobrown]

Guess we'll pick this up next week.

Browns won't likely sign him and bring him in the building on a Friday and the NFL won't suspend him when they prefer to have a positive news cycle heading into the game tonight.

Happy to take the L here in this always bizarre situation.

But if this is how things are going to work all year, where as soon as I make a definitive statement on these boards the fantasy gods try to make me look foolish please allow me to say Mason Taylor blows.(personal joke)

 

[amnesiac]

this whole thing has been bizarre, but it sounds to me right now like Judkins is good to go whenever the Browns decide he’s ready.

 

[amnesiac]

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...year-deal-hell-sign-today.html?outputType=amp

 

[Dez]

I did a zero RB NFFC draft last night where Sampson went in 10th round then for my 11/12 turn picks I paired Ford and Junkins.

That really helps me since that is my RB 1 combo now going zero RB taking Burrow, Chase, Higgins, McLaurin, Pearson and R Rice for my first 6 picks

 

[steelwind]

Should he be picked up in all leagues? Or just 12 teams and above?

 

[themeistersinger]

So if he gets a 2 game roster exemption, and he signs today, does tomorrow's game count as one of the 2?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Just trying to gauge the temperature of the fantasy community here. He was dropped in my ppr superflex league that has deep starting lineup requirements 2rbs, 2 flex spots+a super flex. The news today will certainly make it so that several owners will put waivers claims on him. I don’t know what to think. I (unlike others here)—think that Ford is a competent RB that will maintain some sort of role in this back field. I also know that a lot of people are high on Sampson. The question I pose is this— if he was available in your leagues—what percentage of your FAAB is he worth rolling the dice on?

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Just trying to gauge the temperature of the fantasy community here. He was dropped in my ppr superflex league that has deep starting lineup requirements 2rbs, 2 flex spots+a super flex. The news today will certainly make it so that several owners will put waivers claims on him. I don’t know what to think. I (unlike others here)—think that Ford is a competent RB that will maintain some sort of role in this back field. I also know that a lot of people are high on Sampson. The question I pose is this— if he was available in your leagues—what percentage of your FAAB is he worth rolling the dice on?

I don't love the ceiling for 2025 redraft, but I'm not ruling anything out because I do respect the talent. I view him more as a guy that could be a half-decent rb2 in 25 re-draft.

In a normal semi-deep league where some teams are struggling to fill out their starting rbs during byes or with injury, I don't think 70%+ is crazy. He should have already been scooped or held unless benches are abnormally tiny.

 

[menobrown]

So if he gets a 2 game roster exemption, and he signs today, does tomorrow's game count as one of the 2?

Yes, he's officially a member of the roster now and the exemption starts.

 

[Proteus]

Should he be picked up in all leagues? Or just 12 teams and above?

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[jvdesigns2002]

Just trying to gauge the temperature of the fantasy community here. He was dropped in my ppr superflex league that has deep starting lineup requirements 2rbs, 2 flex spots+a super flex. The news today will certainly make it so that several owners will put waivers claims on him. I don’t know what to think. I (unlike others here)—think that Ford is a competent RB that will maintain some sort of role in this back field. I also know that a lot of people are high on Sampson. The question I pose is this— if he was available in your leagues—what percentage of your FAAB is he worth rolling the dice on?

I don't love the ceiling for 2025 redraft, but I'm not ruling anything out because I do respect the talent. I view him more as a guy that could be a half-decent rb2 in 25 re-draft.

In a normal semi-deep league where some teams are struggling to fill out their starting rbs during byes or with injury, I don't think 70%+ is crazy. He should have already been scooped or held unless benches are abnormally tiny.

Appreciate your thoughts on this. I was surprised that he was dropped even though I still think the Cleveland rb situation is murky. Part of fantasy football in my opinion is about playing “defense” in a sense. I personally don’t know if I’d be willing to spend 70% of my faab to roster him, but I also don’t want to allow a competing owner to be able to get a valuable piece for a cheap price. I was thinking about putting a bid of 25-30% of my FAAB towards him. From the excitement of the people in this thread—it seems unlikely that I get him for that amount—but it also seems like I should protect against any other owner for getting hm for cheaper than that.

 

[the moops]

So if he gets a 2 game roster exemption, and he signs today, does tomorrow's game count as one of the 2?

I think of course yes. What would be the reason for this to not be the case?

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Just trying to gauge the temperature of the fantasy community here. He was dropped in my ppr superflex league that has deep starting lineup requirements 2rbs, 2 flex spots+a super flex. The news today will certainly make it so that several owners will put waivers claims on him. I don’t know what to think. I (unlike others here)—think that Ford is a competent RB that will maintain some sort of role in this back field. I also know that a lot of people are high on Sampson. The question I pose is this— if he was available in your leagues—what percentage of your FAAB is he worth rolling the dice on?

I don't love the ceiling for 2025 redraft, but I'm not ruling anything out because I do respect the talent. I view him more as a guy that could be a half-decent rb2 in 25 re-draft.

In a normal semi-deep league where some teams are struggling to fill out their starting rbs during byes or with injury, I don't think 70%+ is crazy. He should have already been scooped or held unless benches are abnormally tiny.

Appreciate your thoughts on this. I was surprised that he was dropped even though I still think the Cleveland rb situation is murky. Part of fantasy football in my opinion is about playing “defense” in a sense. I personally don’t know if I’d be willing to spend 70% of my faab to roster him, but I also don’t want to allow a competing owner to be able to get a valuable piece for a cheap price. I was thinking about putting a bid of 25-30% of my FAAB towards him. From the excitement of the people in this thread—it seems unlikely that I get him for that amount—but it also seems like I should protect against any other owner for getting hm for cheaper than that.

Murky enough even if he was immediately available and off scott-free. Don't view it as fertile fields even if he does take over as a workhorse. I'd probably be price enforcing at 45-50% even if I loved my rb room, but so much of that really comes down to years of insight into your specific league and how your leaguemates use faab. I don't think you're missing out on a fantasy rb1 if you go conservative, but I'd love for him to prove me wrong.

 

[MAC_32]

this whole thing has been bizarre, but it sounds to me right now like Judkins is good to go whenever the Browns decide he’s ready.

It really isn't bizarre at all. Rog knows where this is going to land, but he has an opportunity to stick it to Jimmy. The Browns are able to now bring him in via these terms because they finally agreed to keep him off the exempt list (allegedly). All while Rog hides under the cloak of investigation (they aren't even interviewing him until this week
) until the 11th hour then rules how he was always going to. By taking this path Rog impacts Judkins ability to participate with the team and creates an unnecessary distraction for the Browns to deal with. Mission accomplished.

 

[the moops]

this whole thing has been bizarre, but it sounds to me right now like Judkins is good to go whenever the Browns decide he’s ready.

It really isn't bizarre at all. Rog knows where this is going to land, but he has an opportunity to stick it to Jimmy. The Browns are able to now bring him in via these terms because they finally agreed to keep him off the exempt list (allegedly). All while Rog hides under the cloak of investigation (they aren't even interviewing him until this week
) until the 11th hour then rules how he was always going to. By taking this path Rog impacts Judkins ability to participate with the team and creates an unnecessary distraction for the Browns to deal with. Mission accomplished.

Holy conspiracy

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Browns are signing him or they already signed him today?

Either way, I saw him available in a couple redrafts I'm in and immediately cut my RB4 or RB5 in those leagues and picked him up this afternoon
I'm afraid to share who one of those cuts were to get him, just swinging for the fences in some spots

 

[georg013]

I think Cleveland’s offense will be better than advertised. I believe Judkins will be the feature back by week 3. I believe Joe Flacco and his wide receivers will make running a lot easier. I believe if you have an opportunity to acquire this young man, you should.

 

[Hoh]

Just a ploy to motivate Dylan Sampson.

 

[The Kerminator]

I think Cleveland’s offense will be better than advertised. I believe Judkins will be the feature back by week 3. I believe Joe Flacco and his wide receivers will make running a lot easier. I believe if you have an opportunity to acquire this young man, you should.

Do you believe he will be suspended?