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Browns Get Bad News on Quinshon Judkins Ahead of Opener
The regular season kicks off this week for the Cleveland Browns, but rookie running back Quinshon Judkins is unlikely to be on the field.heavy.com
Does he know the playbook and terminology yet? Firmly on the bench week 1 and shouldn't be active.
Good read, thanks for sharing. One thing that doesnt get accounted for, when it comes to Quinshon - is that he was only getting the ball in obvious running situations last year. Those new-fangeld stats may not take that into account. Its super easy for Henderson to have a high "relYPC" when hes getting the ball on 3rd down and short.Interesting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
Thanks for this. It does make you goInteresting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
I’d like to hit on the “shop Q if he gets signed” point ..Thanks for this. It does make you goInteresting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
I fail to see the authors point about how this is measuring decision making. Comparing to another player who had a whole different set of circumstances? I don’t follow.
I also couldn’t agree with this statement “Playing 25% of his carries next to TreVeyon Henderson and 40% of his carries next to Zach Evans is not exceptional.” Henderson is going to be a great pro and Evans was a very good college player. He was a junior but freshmen Judkins clearly outperformed him from where I’m sitting.
I do agree with the premise of shopping Q if he gets signed and sees any sort of bump in value if you bought low. That’s just good business.
My statement is bolded but I’ll also clarify…I’d like to hit on the “shop Q if he gets signed” point ..Thanks for this. It does make you goInteresting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
I fail to see the authors point about how this is measuring decision making. Comparing to another player who had a whole different set of circumstances? I don’t follow.
I also couldn’t agree with this statement “Playing 25% of his carries next to TreVeyon Henderson and 40% of his carries next to Zach Evans is not exceptional.” Henderson is going to be a great pro and Evans was a very good college player. He was a junior but freshmen Judkins clearly outperformed him from where I’m sitting.
I do agree with the premise of shopping Q if he gets signed and sees any sort of bump in value if you bought low. That’s just good business.
You’d be selling at his lowest value here. Year one is going to be DIFFICULT, as a Browns RB. But, they’ve got a good coach, a good defense. Very nice skill group - and most likely taking one of the top QB’s in next years draft.
It’s takes some patience, but Quinshon’s value will be much higher this time next year.
sold on him before his legal troubles, though.
Good read, thanks for sharing. One thing that doesnt get accounted for, when it comes to Quinshon - is that he was only getting the ball in obvious running situations last year. Those new-fangeld stats may not take that into account. Its super easy for Henderson to have a high "relYPC" when hes getting the ball on 3rd down and short.Interesting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
Again, thanks for the post - i agree everyone should read it. But i just wanted to add that there is ALWAYS missing context in these new stat tracks.
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This is exactly right. Unlike a lot of the junk analytics floating around, I think relative yards per carry is interesting and it does help address some of the context issues with straight yard per carry. But there are blind spots and traps one can fall into if you pass this off as a "pure" metric. Ray hit it perfectly with OSU. Judkins largely got the ham and egger work, the bruising short yardage carries with many defenders in the box, the physically taxing work and Henderson got a lot more plays with light boxes, draws on passing downs, plays in space etc. I'm not saying there wasn't overlap in their usage but they were deployed differently enough that there are significant context issues in trying to compare their output like apples to apples.Good read, thanks for sharing. One thing that doesnt get accounted for, when it comes to Quinshon - is that he was only getting the ball in obvious running situations last year. Those new-fangeld stats may not take that into account. Its super easy for Henderson to have a high "relYPC" when hes getting the ball on 3rd down and short.Interesting article I might have posted but definitely deserves a read. I'd urge a read.
Again, thanks for the post - i agree everyone should read it. But i just wanted to add that there is ALWAYS missing context in these new stat tracks.
I mean, the upside of Judkins is way more than the upside of Allgeier IMO
I’m not sure I agree. It’s not like Jerome Ford and Sampson are going anywhere. Also, the NFL still is investigating Judkins—so there could be a suspension coming—on top of the fact that he’s not been in camp or practicing with the team. I personaly think Allgeier is one of the most undervalued handcuffs in the league. I think he’s probably going to get a 25-35% share of the carries even if Bijan stays healthy—and if Bijan were to miss time—I think Allgier catapults into a must start. The other issue is that I already have Gibbs, Conner and Breece—and I’m not sure I’d ever start Judkins over any of those guys—-but I could start Allgier over breece if Bijan were to go down.
Keep Allgeier if you have Bijan. I think Kirk will be useful in PPR. Really just depends on your roster construction.
I don't think he's a difficult one to slot - it just depends on league format and team build. I think he belongs in a similar spot as Rashee Rice - as soon as they don't interfere with plans for the first few weeks of the season.
Where do you rank him among RBs for Redraft?
See bolded - is it a start 2 RB? start 2 RB + flex? start 1 RB + 2 flex? 10 team? 12 team? etc.
I'm actually MORE comfortable with the uncertainty surrounding Judkins' availability than I am Rice's knee, but since it's not a strong conviction, for dialogue purposes am treating each equally.
Got 2 shares of him in the 11th and 12th rounds in drafts yesterday in high stakes. Got s share in BBM just now in 11th round surprised his ADP was 13th I thought people might jump him up after the news but I was the one who jumped up.
A signing would be nice…
Rumors about Judkins signing this week were started when Mary Kay Cabbot said she expected a signing soon and her comments got picked up by a ton of aggregators. Today she clarified that everyone from the team has been completely mum, that she knows almost nothing concrete, and that her past comments were a pure guess.
I think there is a real chance that not only will Judkins not be a bell cow, but he might also not even win the starting job. I wouldn't be counting on Judkins as anything more than an RB5 flier in redraft leagues.
I'm not following, he's the most talented RB on the team and has a skillset unique in comparison to Ford and Sampson.
I think most talented is debatable (best size/speed combo I'll agree) and I think he's very behind the 8-ball. Maybe if he were a veteran all this missed time would be irrelevant, but as a rookie, he's got a lot of catching up to do. I'd be drafting Sampson over him.
