RB Quinshon Judkins, CLE (7 Viewers)

[King of the Jungle]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

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-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

Good point, no doubt but he's not helping things by being part of this either

Sorry if I missed it, but do we know that the Browns made him an offer?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

Good point, no doubt but he's not helping things by being part of this either

Sorry if I missed it, but do we know that the Browns made him an offer?

That's a good question, don't know but it was reported that Judkins waned it all guaranteed and Cleveland balked which they should
He has to take at least some responsibility for things getting to the point they did, he's not a choir boy in all of this but it sounds like it didn't rise to where the police wanted to pursue it
How many rookie contracts were fully guaranteed this year? I honestly don't know

 

[King of the Jungle]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

Good point, no doubt but he's not helping things by being part of this either

Sorry if I missed it, but do we know that the Browns made him an offer?

That's a good question, don't know but it was reported that Judkins waned it all guaranteed and Cleveland balked which they should
He has to take at least some responsibility for things getting to the point they did, he's not a choir boy in all of this but it sounds like it didn't rise to where the police wanted to pursue it
How many rookie contracts were fully guaranteed this year? I honestly don't know

Not sure either, but quite a few guaranteed. I am curious if the Brown’s have even offered a contract or if they are simply waiting for the investigation to reach conclusion before they consider.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Browns have no update on status of unsigned second-round pick Quinshon Judkins

Browns running back Quinshon Judkins is the only player from the 2025 NFL draft who has not yet signed his rookie contract, and there's no indication that's going to change any time soon.

www.nbcsports.com

-Clear of any legal charges but Goodell could still drop the hammer on him just because and a full investigation is ongoing
-Browns are not afraid to pay players but want to see what Goodell plans to do first

Judkins should be signed immediately and Judkins needs to get over the guaranteed contract and accept that whoever this person was that tried to say he committed domestic violence was his choice to be friends with initially. Live and Learn Quinshon and stop making your Front Office look like the bad guys here, you were taken 36th overall, you gotta button up and focus on football

Maybe I’m wrong here but I don’t think this is what had made the Browns office look bad. The Browns just seem to always make the bad decision.

Good point, no doubt but he's not helping things by being part of this either

Sorry if I missed it, but do we know that the Browns made him an offer?

That's a good question, don't know but it was reported that Judkins waned it all guaranteed and Cleveland balked which they should
He has to take at least some responsibility for things getting to the point they did, he's not a choir boy in all of this but it sounds like it didn't rise to where the police wanted to pursue it
How many rookie contracts were fully guaranteed this year? I honestly don't know

Not sure either, but quite a few guaranteed. I am curious if the Brown’s have even offered a contract or if they are simply waiting for the investigation to reach conclusion before they consider.

I definitely feel there is a contract, just one that probably has less money and/or clauses in it that the agent is advising to not sign. Now that its roster cuts its sounding like the pressure might strat to slide towards Cleveland's management.

And again, I fail to see the negativity of these reports as I pointed out Devin Bush is not only still on the team, but he is unpunished, not on an exempt list and will play while his case is investigated... so what is the problem. If the Browns really wanted to take moral high ground here they would cut Bush before the season starts.

The Athletic’s Zac Jackson believes it’s “possible” a potential suspension for Quinshon Judkins “could come at roster cuts.”
The Browns would “likely move toward signing him and probably seek a temporary roster exemption” if Judkins dodges a suspension. If the scenario plays out like that, it’s possible Judkins could be ready to hit the Browns roster around the start of October. A suspension for his battery charges that were dismissed is still possible as the league investigates further. Judkins is clearly who the Browns wanted to hand the backfield over to — at this point the question seems to be more “when?” than anything.

 

[Ilov80s]

I still think there's a good chance the hold up now is settling up to make sure there is not civil suit and the pictures don't get released to the media.

 

[steelwind]

This is what the Browns are faced with. Clearly they have buyer's remorse.

Breakdown of 2025 Second-Round Contracts

• Year 1 Salary:
  The salary for the first pick in the second round is estimated to be around $8.4 million for the 2025 season.
  
  
• End-of-Round Salary:
  The final picks in the second round (around pick 100) were expected to have a Year 1 salary of approximately $1.1 million.
  
  
• Contract Length:
  All second-round picks receive a four-year rookie contract, unlike first-round picks who may have a fifth-year option.
  

Factors Affecting Salary

• Draft Slot:
  The higher a player is picked in the second round, the higher their salary will be.
  
  
• Rookie Wage Scale:
  The NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) sets a rookie wage scale that determines the contract value for each draft pick.
  
  
• Signing Bonuses:
  In addition to base salary, second-round picks also receive a signing bonus, which contributes to the total value of their contract.

 

[Raging weasel]

My league mates were all scared off of him so I finally took him at 4.04 in my rookie draft. At that point the upside outweighs the risk in my opinion. Also have Ford on that team and they are my 4th and 5th RB.

 

[JoeSteeler]

My league mates were all scared off of him so I finally took him at 4.04 in my rookie draft. At that point the upside outweighs the risk in my opinion. Also have Ford on that team and they are my 4th and 5th RB.

WTF? Just finishing up 4 rookie drafts and he went between 1.08-1.16 in all of them!

 

[J Giles Band]

My league mates were all scared off of him so I finally took him at 4.04 in my rookie draft. At that point the upside outweighs the risk in my opinion. Also have Ford on that team and they are my 4th and 5th RB.

Wow... easily worth the swing for the fences at 4.04. He went 1.04 in our rookie draft on 8/16... which was the Saturday after it was announced no charges would be filed. I was expecting him to fall to the early 2nd round prior to that.

 

[JoeSteeler]

My league mates were all scared off of him so I finally took him at 4.04 in my rookie draft. At that point the upside outweighs the risk in my opinion. Also have Ford on that team and they are my 4th and 5th RB.

WTF? Just finishing up 4 rookie drafts and he went between 1.08-1.16 in all of them!

I should mention, some of the people are Browns fans so that may have helped lol

 

[dipandglide]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ve-tried-to-return-to-college-and-still-could

This would be an interesting door to open. There's no way this happens, right?

 

[MAC_32]

I still think there's a good chance the hold up now is settling up to make sure there is not civil suit and the pictures don't get released to the media.

Occam's Razor - Judkins wants a guaranteed contract and the Browns don't want to sign him then get exposed to the commissioner's exempt list. They'll do him right once the legal process concludes, assuming he's either right about what happened or Jimmy pays enough under-the-table to make it go away. Lots and lots and lots of tar to throw at this organization, but those dying on the Browns are being tight with their wallet hill is a them problem.

Those in our game don't want to hear it, but the longer this drags out the better it is for the Browns. No reason to devote meaningful draft capital on RB this year amidst a rebuilding year. The less wear he accumulates this year, the better. Although it'd be good for him to at least get some acclimation to the locker room.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

My league mates were all scared off of him so I finally took him at 4.04 in my rookie draft. At that point the upside outweighs the risk in my opinion. Also have Ford on that team and they are my 4th and 5th RB.

WTF? Just finishing up 4 rookie drafts and he went between 1.08-1.16 in all of them!

He went 1.07 in ours this last Saturday night.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The only entity keeping this alive now is the Browns refusing to sign him at his draft capital. I don't believe the CE an actually fear since the NFL has been better about using it while adding in the Law has dismissed the case already. The Browns will have a huge egg on their face if the NFL investigates and determines that Judkins will not face suspension.
If they bite the bullet and sign him, it will be a talking point for a day or 2 then forgotten by the start of the season.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The only entity keeping this alive now is the Browns refusing to sign him at his draft capital. I don't believe the CE an actually fear since the NFL has been better about using it while adding in the Law has dismissed the case already. The Browns will have a huge egg on their face if the NFL investigates and determines that Judkins will not face suspension.
If they bite the bullet and sign him, it will be a talking point for a day or 2 then forgotten by the start of the season.

The idiotic way this is being handled is fully on brand for this dumpster fire of a franchise

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I still think there's a good chance the hold up now is settling up to make sure there is not civil suit and the pictures don't get released to the media.

The whole point of a civil suit would be angling for money since the criminal charges were dropped. Why release her only card she has to trade?

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ve-tried-to-return-to-college-and-still-could
This would be an interesting door to open. There's no way this happens, right?

He'd lose more than anything he'd get in NIL and would re-enter the draft tarnished and not get taken as high, so he'd lose even more.
Trying to figure out the Browns’ most mysterious roster situations
... The mystery surrounding Judkins involves a complex web of contract negotiations, potential NFL discipline and vague reports about the rookie possibly returning to college football — the latter of which Cabot firmly dismissed.
“As far as the report that he could go back and play in college, don’t see that happening. That’s not happening,” Cabot stated emphatically.

 

[finfansteve]

Why don’t they just sign him and wait to see what happens? What’s going on now between the two parties is idiotic (which I guess is on par with the browns franchise so I’m not sure why I’m even asking this)

 

[Ilov80s]

I still think there's a good chance the hold up now is settling up to make sure there is not civil suit and the pictures don't get released to the media.

The whole point of a civil suit would be angling for money since the criminal charges were dropped. Why release her only card she has to trade?

She wouldn't. She would sign an NDA and turn those over in exchange for money and a signed binding legal agreement.

 

[Terpman22]

Why don’t they just sign him and wait to see what happens? What’s going on now between the two parties is idiotic (which I guess is on par with the browns franchise so I’m not sure why I’m even asking this)

The only answer I can think of is the NFL muzzled both the player and team, are still investigating, and no one will do anything until the NFL tells them its good to move forward. This close to the season, its the only thing at this point that makes sense to me. The NFL/Browns/Player/Victim could have hashed this out by now if there was no internal hold up IMO.

 

[electric Ape]

Some folks in this thread have defended the Browns and pointed out that Cleveland has been one of the more financially aggressive, freely spending teams and I think these comments are accurate. But there is weirdness and feet dragging around the Judkins contract that cannot be explained by only the alleged domestic violence incident or the NFL's response to said incident.

Let's not forget that Judkins and the Browns were at this impasse BEFORE the domestic violence incident was alleged to have occurred. Jayden Higgins signed his rookie contract in May as did other second round picks. The incident between Judkins and his girlfriend did not happen until months later in July. Obviously the DV incident complicated things and slowed negotiations further but this was a relatively straightforward boilerplate rookie deal and even before the incident it was not getting done. It's a weird situation and a hard one to decipher

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Some folks in this thread have defended the Browns and pointed out that Cleveland has been one of the more financially aggressive, freely spending teams and I think these comments are accurate. But there is weirdness and feet dragging around the Judkins contract that cannot be explained by only the alleged domestic violence incident or the NFL's response to said incident.

Let's not forget that Judkins and the Browns were at this impasse BEFORE the domestic violence incident was alleged to have occurred. Jayden Higgins signed his rookie contract in May as did other second round picks. The incident between Judkins and his girlfriend did not happen until months later in July. Obviously the DV incident complicated things and slowed negotiations further but this was a relatively straightforward boilerplate rookie deal and even before the incident it was not getting done. It's a weird situation and a hard one to decipher

Easier to decipher if you think of this as a massively dysfunctional franchise owned by a criminal

 

[Bracie Smathers]

this was a relatively straightforward boilerplate rookie deal and even before the incident it was not getting done. It's a weird situation and a hard one to decipher

None of the 2nd round contracts were run of the mill this year since Houston fully guaranteed Jayden Higgins the 2nd pick of the 2nd round forcing the Browns to fully guarantee the 1st pick of the 2nd round and then ALL of the other contracts froze because EVERYONE wanted a fully guaranteed contract.
Why 30 second-round picks from the 2025 NFL Draft remain unsigned | Pro Football Talk
Contracts 'eventually' got signed but Quinn is still facing a suspension. Only minutes ago.
Quinshon Judkins Could be Handed Suspension at Roster Cuts
... an NFL announcement of a potential suspension for Cleveland Browns rookie running back Quinshon Judkins could come at roster cuts. Judkins remain unsigned and away from the team as the NFL continues to investigate domestic-violence allegations ...
... If Judkins isn't suspended by the league, the Browns "would likely move toward signing him and probably seek a temporary roster exemption."

 

[menobrown]

Let's not forget that Judkins and the Browns were at this impasse BEFORE the domestic violence incident was alleged to have occurred. Jayden Higgins signed his rookie contract in May as did other second round picks.

I understand how it might seem odd for the Browns to fully guarantee the contract for the player they drafted 33rd but make the guy they drafted 36th haggle.

But I personally, no offense, I think you are trying to hard to see something amiss here. When you say Higgins and other second round picks had signed before his DV it was really Higgins and ONE other, the Browns own Schwesinger.

To me it's an easy and rational explanation as to why they got Schewsinger signed despite only being picked a few picks ahead of Judkins. It's as simple as Schwesinger got drafted one pick in front of Higgins and once that precedent was set they Browns had to fully guarantee Schwesinger's deal. It's penny pinching but after Higgins and Schwesinger, the first two picks of round 2, we had a league wide impasse before the damn broke and we saw a point in round two were the players were not getting fully guaranteed deals. In the end players picked after Judkins did end up getting fully guaranteed deal and I'm sure he now expects the same.

 

[Ilov80s]

Let's not forget that Judkins and the Browns were at this impasse BEFORE the domestic violence incident was alleged to have occurred. Jayden Higgins signed his rookie contract in May as did other second round picks.

I understand how it might seem odd for the Browns to fully guarantee the contract for the player they drafted 33rd but make the guy they drafted 36th haggle.

But I personally, no offense, I think you are trying to hard to see something amiss here. When you say Higgins and other second round picks had signed before his DV it was really Higgins and ONE other, the Browns own Schwesinger.

To me it's an easy and rational explanation as to why they got Schewsinger signed despite only being picked a few picks ahead of Judkins. It's as simple as Schwesinger got drafted one pick in front of Higgins and once that precedent was set they Browns had to fully guarantee Schwesinger's deal. It's penny pinching but after Higgins and Schwesinger, the first two picks of round 2, we had a league wide impasse before the damn broke and we saw a point in round two were the players were not getting fully guaranteed deals. In the end players picked after Judkins did end up getting fully guaranteed deal and I'm sure he now expects the same.

Yeah it very well could be he got caught in no man's land. Before the DV incident, he was part of that large group of 2nd round picks holding out for the guaranteed money. The DV happens, the other 2nd round picks get their deals hashed out but now he's got this hanging over his head so it's not so easy to just slot him in. It could be as simple as they are at a major impasse over the guaranteed money, both are annoyed with the other and don't want to budge. Though I still think it's very likely this woman who has the pictures and her story is also pressing him hard for a big hush money settlement. He could be stuck in a spot where she wants to know how much money he's going to get from the NFL before she settles on a number but the Browns want her situation settled and the NFL to make its ruling before they make an offer and he's just stuck in no man's land.

 

[steelwind]

Read an article that drafted players who do not sign may return to college.
We will never know what is going on between Judkins vs Cle front office.
I can see the scenario where Cle front office wants to offer less.
Judkins + agent counters that as a 2nd round pick there are existing guidelines to guarantee a 4 year deal. And if he doesn't get that then he returns to college, re-enters 2026 draft.
This makes Cle front office lose a 2nd round pick for 2025 and that's horrible.

Now if we play out this scenario, Judkins would go back to Ohio State where he was the main back, split with T. Henderson.
He could challenge the Heisman trophy. Re-enter 2026 draft as a 1st round pick, obtaining a 5th year option plus additional signing bonuses + higher base salary.

 

[ericttspikes]

Maybe this has been answered somewhere in here already, but in dynasty leagues, what happens to a Judkins pick if he doesn't sign with Cleveland this year and re-enters the draft next year? Assuming you lose the pick, right?

 

[J Giles Band]

Our keeper league does not have a specific rule to address this... but when you draft a rookie in our league you hold his rights for 2-3 years initially (without a contract extension). So he would not go back into the player pool if he re-entered the draft in our league.

The team who drafted him would retain his rights in our league. Rookies are (veteran) roster exempt (similar to taxi squad except playable) their first two years in our league. So stashing him would not be all that painful.

 

[Gally]

Maybe this has been answered somewhere in here already, but in dynasty leagues, what happens to a Judkins pick if he doesn't sign with Cleveland this year and re-enters the draft next year? Assuming you lose the pick, right?

In my league we have a TS so you would essentially just park him on the TS until (if) he plays but in general if you make a pick for FF league and that guy never does anything it's just a wasted pick. I don't see how this is any different.

 

[Proteus]

They cut Pierre Strong!

PLEASE let this mean they are closing in on a signing!

Boy am I reaching for good news.

I had a policy a long time ago not to draft guys that appear to care a lot about their hair.

I think I'm going back to that.

 

[menobrown]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ve-tried-to-return-to-college-and-still-could

This would be an interesting door to open. There's no way this happens, right?

Read an article that drafted players who do not sign may return to college.

You can't return to college as a player, just a student. Perhaps one day someone will initiate a lawsuit and prevail but right now you lose your eligibility when you enter the draft.

He has the option of not signing and re-entering next years draft. This would be a horrible outcome as a year off with some off field concerns would likely toilet his stock into day 3 type of business.

 

[eric rymer]

Maybe this has been answered somewhere in here already, but in dynasty leagues, what happens to a Judkins pick if he doesn't sign with Cleveland this year and re-enters the draft next year? Assuming you lose the pick, right?

In my league we have a TS so you would essentially just park him on the TS until (if) he plays but in general if you make a pick for FF league and that guy never does anything it's just a wasted pick. I don't see how this is any different.

Mine as well. 16 team IDP with a 6 Off / 8 DEF. When he fell to me at 2.14 I couldn't click draft fast enough. The value was just too good. Some were even talking how they wanted Sampson. Judkins went straight to the Taxi squad until the situation sorts itself out. We can Taxi a player for 2 seasons so I have plenty of time.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Maybe this has been answered somewhere in here already, but in dynasty leagues, what happens to a Judkins pick if he doesn't sign with Cleveland this year and re-enters the draft next year? Assuming you lose the pick, right?

In the MFL, I would have the power to keep him as one of my 19 keepers on a 24-man roster, so I have to think that's all there is to it.

New college players would import and I would think Judkins is omitted if MFL has it together. At worst, maybe a Judkins clone would be on the loose, pending quality control.

 

[warpig33]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Maybe this has been answered somewhere in here already, but in dynasty leagues, what happens to a Judkins pick if he doesn't sign with Cleveland this year and re-enters the draft next year? Assuming you lose the pick, right?

In the MFL, I would have the power to keep him as one of my 19 keepers on a 24-man roster, so I have to think that's all there is to it.

New college players would import and I would think Judkins is omitted if MFL has it together. At worst, maybe a Judkins clone would be on the loose, pending quality control.

If this happens in my leagues, I would suggest that the team that drafted him this yr just keep him as its pretty crappy to lose a 1st rounder for no reason whats so ever

 

[King of the Jungle]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

I think because there is NOT video evidence that it makes this a little more challenging and lengthy to come to a conclusion.

 

[TripItUp]

I want to reiterate that Judkins is extreme value right now in all formats.

 

[Ilov80s]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

I don't think the accusser dropped anything, the DA decided to not press charges. The Rice thing ended here because Rice plead guilty and agreed to the NFL's suspension. There's a lot less clarity with the Judkins situation.

 

[menobrown]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

I don't think the accusser dropped anything, the DA decided to not press charges. The Rice thing ended here because Rice plead guilty and agreed to the NFL's suspension. There's a lot less clarity with the Judkins situation.

Technically speaking the DA deciding to not press charges should carry a lot more weight then if the she decided to drop the charge, should carry a lot more weight with reducing his suspension.

 

[B Maverick]

They cut Pierre Strong!

PLEASE let this mean they are closing in on a signing!

Boy am I reaching for good news.

I had a policy a long time ago not to draft guys that appear to care a lot about their hair.

I think I'm going back to that.

Was hoping so. Then they went and claimed Raheim Sanders whom the Chargers cut.

 

[H8fulHuck]

I want to reiterate that Judkins is extreme value right now in all formats.

Agreed. Underdog he’s still going after ADP due to uncertainty. That’s typically the best time to take some shots.

 

[Ilov80s]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

I don't think the accusser dropped anything, the DA decided to not press charges. The Rice thing ended here because Rice plead guilty and agreed to the NFL's suspension. There's a lot less clarity with the Judkins situation.

Technically speaking the DA deciding to not press charges should carry a lot more weight then if the she decided to drop the charge, should carry a lot more weight with reducing his suspension.

Eh, I don't know. I could see it either way.

 

[Capella]

I want to reiterate that Judkins is extreme value right now in all formats.

Why? He’s a rookie who missed all of camp and it’s now bleeding into season prep. He may be talented but we have no idea if he can stand up to pass pro and he sure hasn’t practiced it. I just don’t see it at all.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I want to reiterate that Judkins is extreme value right now in all formats.

Why? He’s a rookie who missed all of camp and it’s now bleeding into season prep. He may be talented but we have no idea if he can stand up to pass pro and he sure hasn’t practiced it. I just don’t see it at all.

And who knows what kind of shape he is in with the stress of the scenario that he has been marinating in.

 

[rockaction]

They claimed Sanders, huh? No surprise. Judkins actually has terrible underlying stats and stat heads were scared enough by just stats alone to say “don’t draft Judkins at his current value.”

Sanders might mean very little, but I’ll venture that Cleveland is breathing easier right now because Sanders is Judkins-lite and might have better peripheral stats. Cleveland might be having second thoughts because some of this stuff just got published and is making the rounds now. It’s a perfect storm, really.

They still might sign him. I’m not saying that. It’s just that this stuff is getting traction and they happened to sign a 6’1” 210 plus guy with ridiculous testing at the combine who costs them nothing?

I’d worry a little more, but Sanders can unfortunately be discarded like tissue, so not too much. But he is a very viable replacement and negotiating chip.

 

[Proteus]

It's almost as if the Browns don't even want him to succeed.

Why would they want that? Let him return to the NCAA? I didn't scrutinize the thread but do they have some kind of incentive to let that happen somehow?

 

[electric Ape]

They claimed Sanders, huh? No surprise. Judkins actually has terrible underlying stats and stat heads were scared enough by just stats alone to say “don’t draft Judkins at his current value.”

Sanders might mean very little, but I’ll venture that Cleveland is breathing easier right now because Sanders is Judkins-lite and might have better peripheral stats. Cleveland might be having second thoughts because some of this stuff just got published and is making the rounds now. It’s a perfect storm, really.

They still might sign him. I’m not saying that. It’s just that this stuff is getting traction and they happened to sign a 6’1” 210 plus guy with ridiculous testing at the combine who costs them nothing?

I’d worry a little more, but Sanders can unfortunately be discarded like tissue, so not too much. But he is a very viable replacement and negotiating chip.

It's kind of refreshing to abandon the contractual stuff for a moment and return to discussing Judkins as a prospect. But can you elaborate on these "terrible underlying stats" Judkins has? This is news to me. There is nothing I've seen in his tape or attributes or statistical profile that I'd think of as being in the least way problematic so using the word terrible really surprises me

 

[Pip's Invitation]

One shoe has dropped...the Rashee Rice suspension.

Ok...so what does this all mean for Quinshon? Rice was on video ackinaafoo that caused property damage, etc and he gets 6 games. No evidence Quinshon did anything and his accuser dropped it. 4 games?

You’re expecting consistency and coherence from Goodell? Big mistake.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

He just went 1.09 in 16 team dynasty rookie draft ahead of Egbuka and Hunter

 

[eighsse2]

He just went 1.09 in 16 team dynasty rookie draft ahead of Egbuka and Hunter

I was at 1.09 and torn between Egbuka and Judkins. Went with Egbuka. Was surprised that Judkins didn't go until I think 2.04.

 

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He just went 1.09 in 16 team dynasty rookie draft ahead of Egbuka and Hunter

I was at 1.09 and torn between Egbuka and Judkins. Went with Egbuka. Was surprised that Judkins didn't go until I think 2.04.

You made the right call. No doubt about it.