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TexanFan02 said:
Boy, I hope he doesn't reconsider the ending... Gale has to die or Walt has no safety. I guess Jesse could kidnap him instead and keep him on ice, but that seems like a temporary and complicated answer (of course, the writers like complicated and do very well with it.)

I think the little girl is Mike's granddaughter right, that's what he mentioned in the earlier episode to Walt, right? Do you guys think Walt would stoop that low, after what happened with Tomas? Kids seem like a line that he wouldn't cross, (at least in deference to Jesse, who's experience with the crackhead's red headed kid and Tomas has given him ample reason to pause).

Anyhow, the pacing, action, and dialogue was top notch in the season finale. Every aspect is engrossing, and the details from the interview where Gilligan says the writers didn't go into this season with a particular plan of action in mind and instead let the characters develop the plot is really inspiring. Walt Vs. Gus is going to be very good next season, and I can't wait for more of it. The blog posted earlier mirrors much of my bewilderment of the end scene... I am usually one who, while watching a show, can pretty much guess where the writers will take the plot. However, with Breaking Bad and the season finale in particular, I really regress to just a fan who is lost in the moment.
That was actually my thought when I first saw the scene. Especially after I saw the podcast where the director/writer said, "Well, if Gale's dead, and it certainly seems he is..." Just thought they were leaving the door open for some other result.
What's funny about this is that Gilligan must have not told anyone else about this because I heard AMC say something to the effect of get Aaron Paul's take on Jesse murdering Gale on AMCTV.com. They also do a two-minute video of the actors talking about possibilities for Season 4. In the video, Paul jokingly says something like "Gale could always come back to life like a zombie". Apparently Paul thought his character shot him. I think even Cranston alluded to Jesse killing for him.
 
Disagree on this. There definately should be layers between the Kingpin and those guys on the street, it's not a direct pipeline. Not too mention the caliber of the guys that actually were on the street working for him, in no way should they have any contact with him, they shouldn't know his face or name.
There's no "should" about it. It's the way he runs his operation.
Yep. I think someone has watched The Wire one too many times
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk. There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
 
Disagree on this. There definately should be layers between the Kingpin and those guys on the street, it's not a direct pipeline. Not too mention the caliber of the guys that actually were on the street working for him, in no way should they have any contact with him, they shouldn't know his face or name.
There's no "should" about it. It's the way he runs his operation.
Yep. I think someone has watched The Wire one too many times
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk. There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
Exactly.
 
Mike is one of the better characters of the last half season....although I think that he's as much a subtle commentary on the goodness of Hank as he is is own character. I'm fairly confident that they will show Hank's real strength as a "good guy" in what I think will ( and should) be this final season.

 
Disagree on this. There definately should be layers between the Kingpin and those guys on the street, it's not a direct pipeline. Not too mention the caliber of the guys that actually were on the street working for him, in no way should they have any contact with him, they shouldn't know his face or name.
There's no "should" about it. It's the way he runs his operation.
Yep. I think someone has watched The Wire one too many times
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk. There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
Exactly.
not if you knew mike would be looking for you if you cut a deal :goodposting:
 
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk.

There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
Exactly.
not if you knew mike would be looking for you if you cut a deal :no:
It was still a shoddy way to advance the plot given the way the character of Gus was developed.
 
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk.

There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
Exactly.
not if you knew mike would be looking for you if you cut a deal :no:
It was still a shoddy way to advance the plot given the way the character of Gus was developed.
Actually, it was completely in line with the way his character has been developed.
 
It has nothing to do with 'The Wire', it has to do with common sense. Street-level dealers are the most likely to get picked up and offered a deal to talk.

There's also no connection between this aspect of the operation and the public image Gus maintains, so I don't know why Christo brought that up in his post.
Exactly.
not if you knew mike would be looking for you if you cut a deal :no:
It was still a shoddy way to advance the plot given the way the character of Gus was developed.
Actually, it was completely in line with the way his character has been developed.
Just saying that doesn't make it true.What previously about Gus' character implied that he would have any connection whatsoever with street level dealers? Every aspect of his character was defined as meticulous and careful then all of a sudden he's hanging around with the actual meth dealers. That makes no sense at all.

As I said earlier I thought the only reason those two would be in the room with Gus was because I thought they were going to be killed. They never should have been there.

 
It was still a shoddy way to advance the plot given the way the character of Gus was developed.
Actually, it was completely in line with the way his character has been developed.
Just saying that doesn't make it true.What previously about Gus' character implied that he would have any connection whatsoever with street level dealers? Every aspect of his character was defined as meticulous and careful then all of a sudden he's hanging around with the actual meth dealers. That makes no sense at all.

As I said earlier I thought the only reason those two would be in the room with Gus was because I thought they were going to be killed. They never should have been there.
I said it because it's true. I don't understand why you keep saying it's against Gus' character because he's meticulous and careful. Meticulousness is irrelevant. And him being careful is just not true. He hides in plain sight. That's been made clear from the beginning. He met with Walt at the restaurant before Walt was in the fold. The cousins knew to find him at the restaurant. He walked into the middle of the DEA at the hospital. He invited Walt into his home. He went to Gale's home to make sure he could get rid of Walt. There is absolutely no evidence that there is any "layer" between Gus and the outside world other than Mike. His whole way of doing business is to do it in the open.
 
I don't like it. I'll have trouble rooting for Walt and Jessie from here out.
Let's be realistic here. Walt stopped being a sympathetic character in season one when he refused the generous offer from his friends to pay for his medical treatment and instead decided to cook and sling meth. I get it, it's he sin of pride, or call it hubris, that makes the character compelling (no one would watch a show about a decent moral man accepting charity to pay for his cancer treatment).Great show, without question but try not to forget that the protagonist is someone who, despite having options, is willingly making and distributing poison to children.
 
I don't like it. I'll have trouble rooting for Walt and Jessie from here out.
Let's be realistic here. Walt stopped being a sympathetic character in season one when he refused the generous offer from his friends to pay for his medical treatment and instead decided to cook and sling meth. I get it, it's he sin of pride, or call it hubris, that makes the character compelling (no one would watch a show about a decent moral man accepting charity to pay for his cancer treatment).Great show, without question but try not to forget that the protagonist is someone who, despite having options, is willingly making and distributing poison to children.
Lotsa children do meth huh?
 
I don't like it. I'll have trouble rooting for Walt and Jessie from here out.
Let's be realistic here. Walt stopped being a sympathetic character in season one when he refused the generous offer from his friends to pay for his medical treatment and instead decided to cook and sling meth. I get it, it's he sin of pride, or call it hubris, that makes the character compelling (no one would watch a show about a decent moral man accepting charity to pay for his cancer treatment).Great show, without question but try not to forget that the protagonist is someone who, despite having options, is willingly making and distributing poison to children.
Lotsa children do meth huh?
I pretty much classify anyone under 18 as a child. And plenty of people over 18 qualify intellectually as children.But if you think that Walt's meth is only going to 18+ rational adults who make well considered decisions that's fine. He is still willingly making and distributing poison despite having had other options. I like him too but he's still a bad guy.
 
Just saying that doesn't make it true.What previously about Gus' character implied that he would have any connection whatsoever with street level dealers? Every aspect of his character was defined as meticulous and careful then all of a sudden he's hanging around with the actual meth dealers. That makes no sense at all.As I said earlier I thought the only reason those two would be in the room with Gus was because I thought they were going to be killed. They never should have been there.
Did the guys in the car take the money or give the product? If they took the money but didn't handle the product...then they are probably a little bit higher up the chain than your normal Hopper. The might be the guys in charge of collecting in a whole neighborhood. Example....IIRC, in The Wire...Bodie, who was in charge of a corner, met with Stringer Bell...( and I believe Avon in Season Three). Now I don't know how accurate The Wire is in regards to street level drug life....but Gus meeting these two guys doesn't go against the general television acceptance of the relationship between drug kingpin and underling
 
Just saying that doesn't make it true.What previously about Gus' character implied that he would have any connection whatsoever with street level dealers? Every aspect of his character was defined as meticulous and careful then all of a sudden he's hanging around with the actual meth dealers. That makes no sense at all.As I said earlier I thought the only reason those two would be in the room with Gus was because I thought they were going to be killed. They never should have been there.
Did the guys in the car take the money or give the product? If they took the money but didn't handle the product...then they are probably a little bit higher up the chain than your normal Hopper. The might be the guys in charge of collecting in a whole neighborhood. Example....IIRC, in The Wire...Bodie, who was in charge of a corner, met with Stringer Bell...( and I believe Avon in Season Three). Now I don't know how accurate The Wire is in regards to street level drug life....but Gus meeting these two guys doesn't go against the general television acceptance of the relationship between drug kingpin and underling
Maybe it turns out they were his sisters kids. Stupid, but loved enough to have some small part of the business. Sort of like Fredo.
 
i just watched all 3 seasons. Great show.

I dont think he normally meets with the street guys. He also couldnt have some meth addict killing off his peeps, so he got involved. It does seem odd that he is so involved in meeting lower people, but he likes to be in control is my guess.

 
Damn good episode. I've gotta feeling that Walt will end up killing Jaleel White and become the new drug boss.Edit: Anyone else get a boner during the boner scene?
She is more money against a running down shot clock than is Kobe. She was cool, kept her head, didn't rush. You could tell it was not her first rodeo.
she had some serious technique. looked like she was churning butter.
 
i've been watching this show online for the last week.

It is absolutely incredible and whoever compared it to 'The Wire" was dead-on in my mind.

It's the character development. I care about every single one of them....and because of that every scene is gold.

The writing is top notch...the twist and turns are so well done, it's crazy. We all knew that there were going to be bodybags at Walt's house since early on. I think it they were foreshadowing it way before Jesse met Jane. And then to find out what that all meant is just great GREAT writing. Many of us watching thought that Jane's dad was going to meet up with Walt somehow...the scene in the bar was not the way I thought it would happen. They have written this show with subtle powerfulness. Not everything has to be smack dab between the eyes.

I just finished the episode in season 3 where Walt tells Gus that he respects and admires his power play.

Oh...if you have not watched this show and would like to find it on-line send me a PM.

Do yourself a favor and watch the show...it's incredible.

 
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.

I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.

I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.

 
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.
I see almost zero connection between these two shows.
 
the wife and i finished up season 1 a few weeks ago and just started season 2. i like where it is headed. it seems to be coming on strong...

 
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.
I see almost zero connection between these two shows.
There's a quite obvious connection: in both cases, they stumble into a drug dealer existence. Beyond that, no - they are not similar.
 
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.
I see almost zero connection between these two shows.
Really? The two main characters are non druggies thrust into the world of drugs out of economic necessity - there's the biggest similarityBoth shows focus on family as much as the lead characters.Both characters have run-ins with the law, the DEA connection in both shows (although in weeds it was fairly short lived)(haven't made it past season 4 yet, so not sure where it goes from there).Both characters are or have been in contact/conflict with the mexican cartels.Both characters roles involve producing/dealing at some point.Both shows deal with the territorial issues of gangs/rival gang conflicts.I see all sorts of similarities, but the difference is in the overall tone and production of the two shows. I think BB is better written, acted and produced than Weeds - but with that said I think they are totally different genres.ETA: Weeds has nudity going for it, so that's a huge plus.
 
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I just finished the episode in season 3 where Walt tells Gus that he respects and admires his power play.
I think you have about 4 episodes left in season 3....get ready, it gets tense . As a note, I don't think you've watched "Fly" yet. I'll be interested to read your thoughts on that episode; it was one of the most discussed in here and around the internet.
 
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.

I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.

I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.
I see almost zero connection between these two shows.
Really? The two main characters are non druggies thrust into the world of drugs out of economic necessity - there's the biggest similarityBoth shows focus on family as much as the lead characters.

Both characters have run-ins with the law, the DEA connection in both shows (although in weeds it was fairly short lived)(haven't made it past season 4 yet, so not sure where it goes from there).

Both characters are or have been in contact/conflict with the mexican cartels.

Both characters roles involve producing/dealing at some point.

Both shows deal with the territorial issues of gangs/rival gang conflicts.

I see all sorts of similarities, but the difference is in the overall tone and production of the two shows. I think BB is better written, acted and produced than Weeds - but with that said I think they are totally different genres.

ETA: Weeds has nudity going for it, so that's a huge plus.
Didn't we get to see Bryan Cranston's naked butt in the frozen food aisle, or was that just a sweet, sweet dream I had?

 
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boofatty said:
Chaka said:
boofatty said:
A while ago, someone had suggested that I check out Weeds (had never seen an episode before). So I dug up the seasons and I've since made it through season 4.I definitely see the similarities, although Weeds seems like the desperate housewives version of breaking bad. More of a comedy feel to it, rather than dramatic.I have to admit though, the character development is much better in BB. I find myself kind of annoyed mostly at the Weeds characters, storyline.
I see almost zero connection between these two shows.
Really? The two main characters are non druggies thrust into the world of drugs out of economic necessity - there's the biggest similarityBoth shows focus on family as much as the lead characters.Both characters have run-ins with the law, the DEA connection in both shows (although in weeds it was fairly short lived)(haven't made it past season 4 yet, so not sure where it goes from there).Both characters are or have been in contact/conflict with the mexican cartels.Both characters roles involve producing/dealing at some point.Both shows deal with the territorial issues of gangs/rival gang conflicts.I see all sorts of similarities, but the difference is in the overall tone and production of the two shows. I think BB is better written, acted and produced than Weeds - but with that said I think they are totally different genres.ETA: Weeds has nudity going for it, so that's a huge plus.
I understand the drug context and will concede your list of similarities. But these things can generically be applied to any show. Almost any serial with a running story line can be broken down to a simple formula of protagonist, antagonist & conflict. The fact that both shows apply the formula against a background of drugs does not make them similar shows. If you are writing a show about drug dealing it is almost compulsory that rivals and law enforcement become involved. The Wire has a similar formula too but it isn't a similar show to Weeds (or BB for that matter, but I guess it comes closer stylistically).If you know someone who enjoys Breaking Bad would you tell them they would love Weeds? They are entirely different genres. If someone enjoys Breaking Bad I would far more inclined to tell them to check out something that is stylistically similar like The Shield.But that's me. Either way they are both enjoyable (although I think Weeds has pretty much run out of steam).
 
I think the show ends with a "happy ending"...in that Walt succeeds at what he's been working for all along. He'll die, but his family will be set up for life.
This is the only way for it to happen. However, the "bigger" question is Jessie - all along he hasn't had any blood on his hands literally. The killing around him is done by others. And we see from Jane dying that he's really a harmless want-to-be street guy who isn't as hardened as we thought, not really a brutal thug. But at the end of season 3 when he goes looking for the street dealers we see that he might be capable of killing, only Walt bails him out because he wants to save him from becoming tainted as a murderer. Then, in the finale Walt has no choice but to flip that on his head with the (assumed) shooting of Gale. So what happens to Pinkman? Does he "escape?" Is he saved somehow? Or does he die too? My opinion would be that either way could be phenomenal for the show to go out. Jessie dying would lend itself well to the fact that this is a REALLY dark show. Jessie living, escaping, being free from all this would inject perhaps the only bit of color and optimism in an otherwise brutal 4 seasons of TV.I'm really looking forward to nextr sesaon.
 
I think the show ends with a "happy ending"...in that Walt succeeds at what he's been working for all along. He'll die, but his family will be set up for life.
This is the only way for it to happen. However, the "bigger" question is Jessie - all along he hasn't had any blood on his hands literally. The killing around him is done by others. And we see from Jane dying that he's really a harmless want-to-be street guy who isn't as hardened as we thought, not really a brutal thug. But at the end of season 3 when he goes looking for the street dealers we see that he might be capable of killing, only Walt bails him out because he wants to save him from becoming tainted as a murderer. Then, in the finale Walt has no choice but to flip that on his head with the (assumed) shooting of Gale. So what happens to Pinkman? Does he "escape?" Is he saved somehow? Or does he die too? My opinion would be that either way could be phenomenal for the show to go out. Jessie dying would lend itself well to the fact that this is a REALLY dark show. Jessie living, escaping, being free from all this would inject perhaps the only bit of color and optimism in an otherwise brutal 4 seasons of TV.I'm really looking forward to nextr sesaon.
I think he "escapes"...runs away, gets his freedom. Then, of course, the final shot we see with him is one where he is shooting up again.
 
I think the show ends with a "happy ending"...in that Walt succeeds at what he's been working for all along. He'll die, but his family will be set up for life.
This is the only way for it to happen. However, the "bigger" question is Jessie - all along he hasn't had any blood on his hands literally. The killing around him is done by others. And we see from Jane dying that he's really a harmless want-to-be street guy who isn't as hardened as we thought, not really a brutal thug. But at the end of season 3 when he goes looking for the street dealers we see that he might be capable of killing, only Walt bails him out because he wants to save him from becoming tainted as a murderer. Then, in the finale Walt has no choice but to flip that on his head with the (assumed) shooting of Gale. So what happens to Pinkman? Does he "escape?" Is he saved somehow? Or does he die too? My opinion would be that either way could be phenomenal for the show to go out. Jessie dying would lend itself well to the fact that this is a REALLY dark show. Jessie living, escaping, being free from all this would inject perhaps the only bit of color and optimism in an otherwise brutal 4 seasons of TV.I'm really looking forward to nextr sesaon.
I think he "escapes"...runs away, gets his freedom. Then, of course, the final shot we see with him is one where he is shooting up again.
Here is a huge reach...as I remember Jane's father is still has not been officially written off. Maybe he comes back to exact revenge on Jesse over what happened to Jane. Last we saw was Hank listening to the radio and heard that Donald Margolis was rushed to the hospital with an apparent self inflicted gun shot wound. His death was never actually reported to my knowledge. Total long shot but who knows with so many twists in this show.
 
I just finished the episode in season 3 where Walt tells Gus that he respects and admires his power play.
I think you have about 4 episodes left in season 3....get ready, it gets tense . As a note, I don't think you've watched "Fly" yet. I'll be interested to read your thoughts on that episode; it was one of the most discussed in here and around the internet.
This is such a great show.I finished watching the other day and read through all of this....ummm mess. :thumbup:

I love the show and I guess when it's love you overlook some of the warts and all and just enjoy the ride.

I liked "the Fly" episode. The interaction between Jesse and Walt is gold and some of the highest highlights of this show. When Walt was hanging onto the ladder and drifting off to ZZZZ land was incredibly tense. I thought he was going to spill the beans about Jane and cause Jesse to fall off the ladder.

I'm all wrapped in work right now...but I can't wait for season 4. Any idea when it's starting?

 
I just finished the episode in season 3 where Walt tells Gus that he respects and admires his power play.
I think you have about 4 episodes left in season 3....get ready, it gets tense . As a note, I don't think you've watched "Fly" yet. I'll be interested to read your thoughts on that episode; it was one of the most discussed in here and around the internet.
This is such a great show.I finished watching the other day and read through all of this....ummm mess. :D

I love the show and I guess when it's love you overlook some of the warts and all and just enjoy the ride.

I liked "the Fly" episode. The interaction between Jesse and Walt is gold and some of the highest highlights of this show. When Walt was hanging onto the ladder and drifting off to ZZZZ land was incredibly tense. I thought he was going to spill the beans about Jane and cause Jesse to fall off the ladder.

I'm all wrapped in work right now...but I can't wait for season 4. Any idea when it's starting?
Unfortunately, not until July.http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/08/04/break...ars-emmys/59159

 
Ok, completed the whole series to date these last few weeks. And just finished going through this thread.

Really, really good show. How it compares to The Wire will need to be judged after the series concludes.

For fun, a Wire-type ending would be:

Walt replaces Gus.

Walt Jr replaces Jessie.

Jessie replaces Tuco.

Hank replaces Mike.

Gomez replaces Hank.

Skylar replaces Saul.

Holly replaces Jane.

Lewis replaces Combo.

Marie replaces Wendy.

Skinny Pete replaces Victor.

Badger replaces Tortuga.

 

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