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I started watching season one again. I am going to try to work my way thru up till season 5.

I am watching for clues that Hank could pickup that might lead him Walt's direction. The gas mask is the first one.

 
'Charlie Frown said:
I started watching season one again. I am going to try to work my way thru up till season 5.I am watching for clues that Hank could pickup that might lead him Walt's direction. The gas mask is the first one.
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The gas mask is exactly why Walt and Walt Jr end up killing Hank.
 
'comfortably numb said:
'Marvin said:
'Charlie Frown said:
I started watching season one again. I am going to try to work my way thru up till season 5.I am watching for clues that Hank could pickup that might lead him Walt's direction. The gas mask is the first one.
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The gas mask is exactly why Walt and Walt Jr end up killing Hank.
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Was the mask linked to Walt's HS, which lead to Hank showing up there? Or was that something else?
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The mask and then Hank checked the inventory and discovered the other equipment missing.I think he got his first real whiff of it possibly being Walt with the "gambling" money.
 
I'm only 5 episodes into Season 4, so don't spoil if these get answered later:

1. Walt really has some major ego issues. Hank was closing that file up and Walt convinced him that Heisenberg is still out there? Wow.

2. Why are there these big armed robberies of the Los Pollos truck if they are only taking one container? There cannot be THAT much meth in on plastic container. And why is Gus having it so guarded if that is all that is being transported? Is whoever (I assume Mexican Cartel) who is robbing it just sending a message that they can rob them at any time? Will the dead bodies in that truck lead Hank right to Gus?

 
Breaking Bad movie?

LINK

The upcoming fifth and final season of Breaking Bad will consist of 16 episodes. After that the series will end, but it doesn't mean the story will be over. The show's star, Bryan Cranston, feels that the story could continue in the form of a major motion picture.
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Just finished Crawl Space on the final Season 4 DVD. Wow. Now to finish Season 4 and start the two year wait for the series finale....

 
'inca911 said:
Just finished Crawl Space on the final Season 4 DVD. Wow. Now to finish Season 4 and start the two year wait for the series finale....
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I think that's the point where Walt shifts from being half bad ### / half meek chemistry teacher and family man to full on bad ###. Enjoy.
 
'Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/BryanCranston

I just asked him if the rumors are true about Flynn getting killed off this season.
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No reply yet. :kicksrock: Let's see if we can have a rational Walt Jr. discussion without anyone making fun of the kid.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of the character. I listen to what he has to say during first-run episodes, on the million-to-one chance it's something relevant to the plot. But on reruns, I fast-forward past all of his dialogue.

Gilligan cast an actor with cerebral palsy to play the part as a way to pay homage to a real-life friend of his who suffers from the affliction. RJ Mitte actually has CP to a much more mild degree than his character. If you search for interviews with him on YouTube, he basically sounds like everybody else. So he is accentuating the slurred speech BIG TIME for the role, intentionally making Flynn more mute-worthy. (He also doesn't use crutches in real life.)

None of that has anything to do with my forthcoming question. I'm just providing a little background.

Now, on to what I'm wondering. Whether Walt Jr. has CP or not, why is this character even necessary? What has he added to the show? If his character didn't exist, Breaking Bad would not be one bit different. He is unessential to the plot. Oh, wait... he vomited in the pool! And then there was that other time when he, ummmm....

If I'm forced to tolerate this character, somebody at least give me one reason why the show wouldn't be as good without him.

That's all I ask.

 
I asked this question a few dozen pages back, but does anyone think it is plausible that the show ends with Walt simply succumbing to his disease?

Or is it an absolute that he goes out Tony Montana style?

 
For four seasons straight, creator Vince Gilligan has overseen a near-perfect narrative of suspense and drama in “Breaking Bad,” and it has all been in service of showing Walter White through his inevitable path to darkness. As the series enters its fifth season next month, viewers are ready to finally see that bleak conclusion, but a few choice words from Bryan Cranston recently regarding his character have entertained other potential avenues to come.

Although initial decisions were to maintain the series' narrative as airtight as possible, Cranston revealed to the LA Times that Gilligan might have underestimated the sprawl of his characters' journey. “Vince feels that now we have too much story,” Cranston said. “We could actually go beyond those 16 episodes.” Naturally, as with other shows like “24” and “Deadwood,” the logical extension would be a feature film finale of sorts, and the actor isn't completely against that idea. “It's not far-fetched,” he commented, “I wouldn't mind visiting that possibility. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't know anything of how the show's going to end.”

That last bit of Cranston's comment makes for the most hesitation, because with the actor in the dark about his character's endgame, Gilligan could be (and most likely is) reading these comments and chuckling devilishly. Still, even with the tragic arc of the series thus far, Cranston still seems somewhat optimistic, as he posits the film could “revisit Walter White a year down the road and see where his life has gone. If he's still alive, that is.”

One aspect gone unmentioned by Cranston is the possibility of Walter White becoming simply the most odious person to base a film around. Speaking on the upcoming season, Gilligan added, “[Walter's] going to be a harder guy to root for, I promise you that. The experiment of the show has been to take a good guy and have him transform himself into a bad guy. And we're committed to seeing that through to the very end.”

Whatever that end is, we'll have to wait and see, but considering Gilligan's track record thus far, a bit of blind faith could certainly be spared for “Breaking Bad,” the new season of which starts July 15th.
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FOUR straight episodes coming up starting in 10 minutes, ninjas!

I haven't been getting much sleep since they've been running these every night. :popcorn:

 
'Raider Nation said:
'Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/BryanCranston

I just asked him if the rumors are true about Flynn getting killed off this season.
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No reply yet. :kicksrock: Let's see if we can have a rational Walt Jr. discussion without anyone making fun of the kid.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of the character. I listen to what he has to say during first-run episodes, on the million-to-one chance it's something relevant to the plot. But on reruns, I fast-forward past all of his dialogue.

Gilligan cast an actor with cerebral palsy to play the part as a way to pay homage to a real-life friend of his who suffers from the affliction. RJ Mitte actually has CP to a much more mild degree than his character. If you search for interviews with him on YouTube, he basically sounds like everybody else. So he is accentuating the slurred speech BIG TIME for the role, intentionally making Flynn more mute-worthy. (He also doesn't use crutches in real life.)

None of that has anything to do with my forthcoming question. I'm just providing a little background.

Now, on to what I'm wondering. Whether Walt Jr. has CP or not, why is this character even necessary? What has he added to the show? If his character didn't exist, Breaking Bad would not be one bit different. He is unessential to the plot. Oh, wait... he vomited in the pool! And then there was that other time when he, ummmm....

If I'm forced to tolerate this character, somebody at least give me one reason why the show wouldn't be as good without him.

That's all I ask.
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The show could lose him and not miss a beat at this point (and iirc he does take a major back seat after season 2). But I do think he was a useful character when the show was getting started. It helped explain the pressure Walt was dealing with and had been dealing with. Being responsible for a 'normal' kid probably isn't going to weigh on him as much when he discovered the cancer. Thinking you're leaving behind a crippled son, a wife with an infant daughter, and life in every other aspect crapping on you at almost every turn, and in his mind it gave him the excuse to pursue cooking meth.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
Being responsible for a 'normal' kid probably isn't going to weigh on him as much when he discovered the cancer. Thinking you're leaving behind a crippled son, a wife with an infant daughter, and life in every other aspect crapping on you at almost every turn, and in his mind it gave him the excuse to pursue cooking meth.
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That's fair.
 
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'Raider Nation said:
I probably asked this 30 pages ago, but what was with Hank taking on the two dirtbags in the biker bar?
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I think he wanted to see if he could still do it. He was shook from earlier explosion and the invincible/cocky feeling was replaced with doubt and weakness.
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I think this is right. I found a certain TV critic's take on it since I posted the question:
And how about Dean Norris? It's been a while since we dealt with Hank's emotional problems, post-Tuco and then post-Tortuga, and it felt right that the issue should be revisited in an episode that brought Danny Trejo back to portray Tortuga's very bloody end (and to again establish the Cousins' lethal bonafides). This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood? get too injured or in too much trouble to go back to El Paso? - but as played by Norris, it was scary to watch, and a problem that's not going away for Hank so long as he remains as in-denial as Walt.
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'Raider Nation said:
'Dr. Awesome said:
Being responsible for a 'normal' kid probably isn't going to weigh on him as much when he discovered the cancer. Thinking you're leaving behind a crippled son, a wife with an infant daughter, and life in every other aspect crapping on you at almost every turn, and in his mind it gave him the excuse to pursue cooking meth.
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That's fair.
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He also added significantly to the stress between Skyler and Walt during the divorce, when Skyler was continually the bad guy.
 
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
 
'Please See Mine said:
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
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A lot of people who are gung ho cops are drawn to the job because of the amount of control it affords them compensates for how out of control they really feel. This is consistent with Hank's constant need to be the funny guy/the leader/the tough guy. He obviously has serious anxiety issues, which iirc we first saw right after he got the promotion. He knows that the job gets exponentially more dangerous the closer you get to the border and to the cartels themselves. He feels at a safe distance in ABQ, amidst his friends and family and the local bonehead drug scene mixed in.
 
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'Apple Jack said:
'Please See Mine said:
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
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A lot of people who are gung ho cops are drawn to the job because of the amount of control it affords them compensates for how out of control they really feel. This is consistent with Hank's constant need to be the funny guy/the leader/the tough guy. He obviously has serious anxiety issues, which iirc we first saw right after he got the promotion. He knows that the job gets exponentially more dangerous the closer you get to the border and to the cartels themselves. He feels at a safe distance in ABQ, amidst his friends and family and the local bonehead drug scene.
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Also the fact that he didn't know Spanish completely left him out of the loop. And he did try to assert himself with The Tortoise in the hotel room, but got shot down and received no backup from the other agents.

 
'jamny said:
'Apple Jack said:
'Please See Mine said:
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
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A lot of people who are gung ho cops are drawn to the job because of the amount of control it affords them compensates for how out of control they really feel. This is consistent with Hank's constant need to be the funny guy/the leader/the tough guy. He obviously has serious anxiety issues, which iirc we first saw right after he got the promotion. He knows that the job gets exponentially more dangerous the closer you get to the border and to the cartels themselves. He feels at a safe distance in ABQ, amidst his friends and family and the local bonehead drug scene.
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Also the fact that he didn't know Spanish completely left him out of the loop. And he did try to assert himself with The Tortoise in the hotel room, but got shot down and received no backup from the other agents.
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Yeah. Poor wittle Hanky's wittle self-esteem was hurt by those mean men. That was pretty pathetic.And he shoulda tried Rosetta Stone or whatever that thing is called. How do you live in ABQ, as a cop, and know practically no Spanish? It's not that difficult to pick up conversational Spanish.

 
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Odenkirk played a sleazy Hollywood agent on Larry Sanders 20 years ago. So playing Saul is hardly out of "character" for him as an actor.

 
Walter White's Heisen-Brrr-g Crunch: Jon Defreest's Retirement Pop-Cultured Ben & Jerry's Flavor

It's a sad day boys and girls. Our friend and pop culture artist extraordinaire, Jon Defreest, has just announced his retirement from the Ben & Jerry's pop-flavoring game that he himself started a year ago with the simple goal of dedicating a bacon and eggs flavored ice cream to Ron Swanson.

All good things must come to an end though, and it only makes sense for Jonny to exit on a fitting high note with a flavor inspired by the show that embraced his tribute sneakers and had him out to the set. Per Defreest…

"This is officially the last Ben & Jerry's flavor you'll see from me. I would have stopped sooner, but there was no way I could end the series without at least ONE Breaking Bad flavor. Thanks everyone!"

Walter White's Heisen-Brrr-g Crunch embraces Walt's hat donning, drug manufacturing alter ego and sprinkles in very necessary Blue Raspberry Pop Rocks to make the whole thing feel authentic. In honor of the retirement I encourage everyone to take a stroll through our archive of favorite pop culture ice creams from the last year, pouring a little dairy out on the way. And to Defreest on his way out…
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'The Noid said:
Odenkirk played a sleazy Hollywood agent on Larry Sanders 20 years ago. So playing Saul is hardly out of "character" for him as an actor.
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Larry Sanders show was a comedy with a bunch of goofballs in it... Odenkirk is perfectly at home there.Breaking Bad is a gritty drama that takes itself serious (for the most part)... Bob isn't the best fit for that type of show, IMO.
 
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Regarding Walt Jr. There was the interaction between Walt and Hank about giving Jr. alcohol at a backyard dinner. He looked up to his cool DEA uncle more than his dorky teacher dad, so there was some struggle over who had the most influence over an impressionable teenager. Walt ends up buying him a Mustang despite Skylar's protests.

The Save Walter White website added to Walt's guilt of hiding his stash of drug money.

Overall, I'm not much of a Jr. fan but he's not totally useless.

 
'Apple Jack said:
'jamny said:
'Apple Jack said:
'Please See Mine said:
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
Click to expand...
A lot of people who are gung ho cops are drawn to the job because of the amount of control it affords them compensates for how out of control they really feel. This is consistent with Hank's constant need to be the funny guy/the leader/the tough guy. He obviously has serious anxiety issues, which iirc we first saw right after he got the promotion. He knows that the job gets exponentially more dangerous the closer you get to the border and to the cartels themselves. He feels at a safe distance in ABQ, amidst his friends and family and the local bonehead drug scene.
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Also the fact that he didn't know Spanish completely left him out of the loop. And he did try to assert himself with The Tortoise in the hotel room, but got shot down and received no backup from the other agents.
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Yeah. Poor wittle Hanky's wittle self-esteem was hurt by those mean men. That was pretty pathetic.And he shoulda tried Rosetta Stone or whatever that thing is called. How do you live in ABQ, as a cop, and know practically no Spanish? It's not that difficult to pick up conversational Spanish.
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I didn't really get that his self-esteem was hurt at that moment, rather he was just frustrated by the situation he was in. Even when he tried joking with the one guy about his saint statue he had on his desk. It fell flat. As someone else said, he was used to being the big dog. Things probably came easy for him in the small pond, probably why he never learned Spanish. He never had to. Like you said though, you'd think he would at least picked up a little of it along the way. He did know enough to realize those two border guys were talking about him.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'jamny said:
'Apple Jack said:
'Please See Mine said:
'Raider Nation said:
This is a character type you don't often see in American crime fiction: a cop who's good at his job and tough enough to take on and beat two much bigger men by himself, but who can't cope when things rise to a more lethal level. It's unclear exactly what Hank is hoping to achieve here - prove his manhood?
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I would agree with this. He is a big fish in a small town in NM and wants to be in control of everything. When he goes to TX, he's totally out of his element and feels inferior. The scene after he comes back from TX and he's in the shower and Marie is trying to get him to talk to her is so good. You can just tell the anguish inside of him, realizing his shortcomings, but having such an ego that there's no way he'd ever show that vulnerability to his wife.
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A lot of people who are gung ho cops are drawn to the job because of the amount of control it affords them compensates for how out of control they really feel. This is consistent with Hank's constant need to be the funny guy/the leader/the tough guy. He obviously has serious anxiety issues, which iirc we first saw right after he got the promotion. He knows that the job gets exponentially more dangerous the closer you get to the border and to the cartels themselves. He feels at a safe distance in ABQ, amidst his friends and family and the local bonehead drug scene.
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Also the fact that he didn't know Spanish completely left him out of the loop. And he did try to assert himself with The Tortoise in the hotel room, but got shot down and received no backup from the other agents.
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Yeah. Poor wittle Hanky's wittle self-esteem was hurt by those mean men. That was pretty pathetic.
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What are you, an authoritarian football coach from 1942?
 
Love it when Walt first sees the state-of-the-art lab underneath the laundromat. :lol:

It was like when a 12-year-old first sees a pair of jugs.

 
my prediction (as of right now, subject to change):

Hank zeros in on Pinkman a Heisenberg.

Walt on his cancer deathbed to hank "it was me all along"

Jesse free and clear

Walt dead

Hank catatonic thinking of all the things he missed along the way.

 
'Raider Nation said:
'Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/BryanCranston

I just asked him if the rumors are true about Flynn getting killed off this season.
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No reply yet. :kicksrock: Let's see if we can have a rational Walt Jr. discussion without anyone making fun of the kid.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of the character. I listen to what he has to say during first-run episodes, on the million-to-one chance it's something relevant to the plot. But on reruns, I fast-forward past all of his dialogue.

Gilligan cast an actor with cerebral palsy to play the part as a way to pay homage to a real-life friend of his who suffers from the affliction. RJ Mitte actually has CP to a much more mild degree than his character. If you search for interviews with him on YouTube, he basically sounds like everybody else. So he is accentuating the slurred speech BIG TIME for the role, intentionally making Flynn more mute-worthy. (He also doesn't use crutches in real life.)

None of that has anything to do with my forthcoming question. I'm just providing a little background.

Now, on to what I'm wondering. Whether Walt Jr. has CP or not, why is this character even necessary? What has he added to the show? If his character didn't exist, Breaking Bad would not be one bit different. He is unessential to the plot. Oh, wait... he vomited in the pool! And then there was that other time when he, ummmm....

If I'm forced to tolerate this character, somebody at least give me one reason why the show wouldn't be as good without him.

That's all I ask.
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You could say this about almost any secondary / minor character on any show.we already had Hawkeye, Trapper, Henry, and Radar... why do we need Klinger?

Bert Cooper? Is he really necessary? How about Quinn on Dexter... couldn't we save a few bucks and just cut him? Did we really need Bunny Colvin on The Wire? Couldn't we just throw Rawls into that role and be done with it?

We could lose any of those characters and not miss a beat. But isn't the show better with them?

ETA - this is why we don't make TV shows for a living.

 
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'Abraham said:
my prediction (as of right now, subject to change):Hank zeros in on Pinkman a Heisenberg. Walt on his cancer deathbed to hank "it was me all along" Jesse free and clearWalt dead Hank catatonic thinking of all the things he missed along the way.
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:golfclap:
 
'jwb said:
'Raider Nation said:
'Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/BryanCranston

I just asked him if the rumors are true about Flynn getting killed off this season.
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No reply yet. :kicksrock: Let's see if we can have a rational Walt Jr. discussion without anyone making fun of the kid.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of the character. I listen to what he has to say during first-run episodes, on the million-to-one chance it's something relevant to the plot. But on reruns, I fast-forward past all of his dialogue.

Gilligan cast an actor with cerebral palsy to play the part as a way to pay homage to a real-life friend of his who suffers from the affliction. RJ Mitte actually has CP to a much more mild degree than his character. If you search for interviews with him on YouTube, he basically sounds like everybody else. So he is accentuating the slurred speech BIG TIME for the role, intentionally making Flynn more mute-worthy. (He also doesn't use crutches in real life.)

None of that has anything to do with my forthcoming question. I'm just providing a little background.

Now, on to what I'm wondering. Whether Walt Jr. has CP or not, why is this character even necessary? What has he added to the show? If his character didn't exist, Breaking Bad would not be one bit different. He is unessential to the plot. Oh, wait... he vomited in the pool! And then there was that other time when he, ummmm....

If I'm forced to tolerate this character, somebody at least give me one reason why the show wouldn't be as good without him.

That's all I ask.
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You could say this about almost any secondary / minor character on any show.we already had Hawkeye, Trapper, Henry, and Radar... why do we need Klinger?

Bert Cooper? Is he really necessary? How about Quinn on Dexter... couldn't we save a few bucks and just cut him? Did we really need Bunny Colvin on The Wire? Couldn't we just throw Rawls into that role and be done with it?

We could lose any of those characters and not miss a beat. But isn't the show better with them?

ETA - this is why we don't make TV shows for a living.
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In Walt Jr's case? Hell no.
 
'EYLive said:
Regarding Walt Jr. There was the interaction between Walt and Hank about giving Jr. alcohol at a backyard dinner. He looked up to his cool DEA uncle more than his dorky teacher dad, so there was some struggle over who had the most influence over an impressionable teenager. Walt ends up buying him a Mustang despite Skylar's protests.
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Very good point. Another way for Walt to feel like he doesn't measure up.
 
'Please See Mine said:
'EYLive said:
Regarding Walt Jr. There was the interaction between Walt and Hank about giving Jr. alcohol at a backyard dinner. He looked up to his cool DEA uncle more than his dorky teacher dad, so there was some struggle over who had the most influence over an impressionable teenager. Walt ends up buying him a Mustang despite Skylar's protests.
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Very good point. Another way for Walt to feel like he doesn't measure up.
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Exactly.I think Jr has an important (though subtle) effect on Walt and his psyche.
 
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