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I can't see Walt offing himself. His ego's too big for that.
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Good Posting Judge
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Walt really hasn't self-flagellated himself for his sins at all this show, but that's not to say he couldn't start now. 
As far as the DEA knows, Heisenberg's organization (the Nazis) are still loyal to Heisenberg. And anything she can do to harm Heisenberg can harm them. Plenty of motive for them to get rid of her.
The DEA doesn't specifically know about the Nazis. But they know Walt has people out there loyal to him.
BeTheMatch
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
We never actually saw Gomez get shot. Maybe he's really working with the Nazis and he had to pretend to be dead so Walt wouldn't know.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Looking back I think I love how they just cut to Gomey being dead and Hank hit and out of bullets.
Officer Pete Malloy
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packersfan
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Good Posting Judge
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I've got something that Marie can steal.
my seed.
Rove!
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Mister CIA
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I have a feeling we have not seen the last of the tank of methylamine; maybe that is what the M-60 is for. I find myself hoping that Walt takes out the nazis with some form of chemical warfare, and not simply with a barrage of bullets. Imagine the guy who put a bullet into Hank's head gets dropped alive into one of those chemical-filled vats previously used to dispose of corpses.
With only two episodes left I doubt we'll see the Cartel worked back into the storyline, but they seem like natural players in this drama.
...and somehow/someway I want to see a Ken Wins reference into the ending.
With only two episodes left I doubt we'll see the Cartel worked back into the storyline, but they seem like natural players in this drama.
...and somehow/someway I want to see a Ken Wins reference into the ending.
packersfan
Footballguy
It was unrelenting. Brilliant and unrelenting. It's crazy that Hank getting killed wasn't even the most shocking moment in the episode. That was just the start of it all.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So, does Walt live or die?
IvanKaramazov
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packersfan
Footballguy
I hope he lives.
I also think that there's something to be said for the idea that Walt's greatest punishment could be having to live with all the damage that he's caused. That was something Gilligan was going to delve into in Season 1 with Jesse being killed but the writer's strike changed things. Maybe he'll revisit that at the end.
I also think that there's something to be said for the idea that Walt's greatest punishment could be having to live with all the damage that he's caused. That was something Gilligan was going to delve into in Season 1 with Jesse being killed but the writer's strike changed things. Maybe he'll revisit that at the end.
timschochet
Footballguy
The first thing I thought of when I saw Hank on the ground holding his leg was, "Oh man, after all that rehab!"
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
To me this is a huge clue. We saw how Gus plotted and executed his revenge following his face down moment. He paid a return visit to the Cartel and poisoned them. I figure this signifies that Walt will pay a return visit to the Nazi's and use ricin to finish them. Perhaps the one difference being that Walt doesn't bring himself to vomit his back up, rather he accepts his fate.Jojo the circus boy said:
Bigboy10182000
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Michael Brown
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Interview with Cranston from late February about the theme of how it will end for WW:
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Breaking Bad star Bryan Cranston has hinted at a "sad", "ugly" ending for the acclaimed drama.
The Emmy winner attended last night's (February 24) Oscars in support of his film Argo but took time to discuss the climax of his AMC series with The AP
"There's nothing good, there's not going to be redemption," Cranston said of his character - chemistry teacher-turned-meth cook Walter White.
"It's going downhill - it's ugly."
Breaking Bad star Bryan Cranston has hinted at a "sad", "ugly" ending for the acclaimed drama.
The Emmy winner attended last night's (February 24) Oscars in support of his film Argo but took time to discuss the climax of his AMC series with The AP
"There's nothing good, there's not going to be redemption," Cranston said of his character - chemistry teacher-turned-meth cook Walter White.
"It's going downhill - it's ugly."
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zoonation
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Jesse is going to take out Todd in the first 15 minutes of the next episode with some cooking sabotage. He somehow escapes. Then he is going after Walt's family. There will be no reconciliation between Walt and Jesse after Walt's confession in the desert.
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Raider Nation
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I've been away for several hours. Has Tim asked any more thought-provoking questions?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. I did think that was awesome though when Flynn jumped on his dad and tackled him and pulled him off his mom. That was one of those "hell yeah!" moments.
packersfan
Footballguy
I was kinda hoping Skyler or Junior would get knifed (accidentally).
#DifferentStrokes
Michael Brown
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Another interview with Gilligan, interesting part bolded red:
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“We’re not gonna please everyone, we’re not gonna please everyone … This is what I keep telling myself so I can sleep at night,” Vince Gilligan laughed last month, even though he wasn’t exactly joking. When he spoke to Vulture, he was putting the finishing touches on the story for the third to last episode, getting very close to tackling the series finale (the show’s last stretch of eight episodes airs on AMC later this year). The writers room had gotten “a little schizophrenic,” said Gilligan: They’ve been taking twice as long as normal, or about three and a half weeks, to break each of these concluding episodes, and rather than building from the ground up, they’ve had to do a little reverse-engineering to arrive where they must by the end. All of which is to say, he’s more frazzled than usual, anxiously working to tie things up beautifully. “It’s going to be polarizing no matter how you slice it,” Gilligan said, “but you don’t want 10 percent to say it was great and 90 percent to say it sucked ###. You want those numbers to be reversed.” Without giving anything away (would anyone really want that?), he took some time to download ten things on his mind as he heads into the homestretch.
1. The evolution of Walt’s fate. The metamorphosis of the sweet but sickly chemistry teacher into totally corrupted drug kingpin has made Walter White one of the most dynamic characters on TV, and just as he’s changed through the seasons, so too has Gilligan’s idea of how his saga would end. “I had this strange confidence in the beginning that I had an idea [for the ending] that was sound,” he said of Walt’s fate. “But I look back at the life of the series and realize I cycled through so many possible endings, it would be disingenuous to say I had always had it figured out. It has evolved in the last five years and probably has some evolving left to do.” He’s planted flags along the way to help steer the direction but still reserves the right to change course, even with two episodes left to go. “I read interviews with showrunners all the time who say, ‘I know exactly where this thing is headed.’ I always find that very interesting, and I don’t doubt them for a minute. It’s just I can’t see my way clear to do that because the characters in Breaking Bad are in a state of constant change by design,” he said. “When a character will be a different person five or six or ten or sixteen episodes from now, it’s hard to predict the future.”
2. How Casablanca got it exactly right. In terms of nailing the end, Gilligan says he and the writers don’t talk about TV — they talk movies. And for him, Casablanca remains “pretty perfect.” “No one gets everything they wanted. The guy doesn’t get the girl, but he has the satisfaction of knowing she wants him. And he doesn’t get her because he has to save the free world. What better ending is there than that?” Gilligan said. “I’m not saying we’re going to approach that or reach in that direction. Our story doesn’t line up [with Casablanca]. But we’re looking for that kind of satisfaction.”
3. His time on The X Files. Gilligan was still on the staff of The X Files when the sci-fi series reached its highly anticipated finale, but as a self-described “monster-of-the-week” guy, he says he never had to worry about making sure the conspiracies were synching. (He wrote the show’s penultimate episode “Sunshine Days,” set in The Brady Bunch house, and it had nothing to do with any of the overarching story lines.) “I sort of watched from afar as Chris Carter and Frank Spotnitz broke these mythology episodes, and they always made my head hurt like, Man, how do you link this and that? Then, of course, I wind up on this insanely hyperserialized show. I should have paid more attention back then.”
4. Going back to the pilot. Ah, yes, Walt in his skivvies. The writers have spent a lot of time going back over that first episode, which began with Walt’s 50th-birthday party and the discovery that he had cancer, and ended with his partnership with small-time dealer Jesse Pinkman, concocting the sweetest meth and killing a pair of dealers after his recipe. “Are there echoes of the beginning that we should have in the end? There’s a certain kind of circularity that might be pleasing,” Gilligan said. “We think a lot about that, in fact.”
5. Henry Mancini. Gilligan recently read an old interview with the composer in which he was asked about the type of music he liked. Mancini said he liked best the ones that built in a feeling of inevitability. “He said something like, and I’m paraphrasing here, ‘I think the best music compositions are the ones that surprise you in moments, but in others, you feel like you know where you’re going, and there’s this feeling of satisfaction that derives from that inevitability. In a sense, inevitability, realized,’” Gilligan said. “That really stuck with me because that’s what I think we do on this show. We try to have a surprise around every corner but inevitability as well. The opposite of surprise. It’s something that I feel should and will be an important component to the end of the series. To me, that is an interesting thing and a thing to be embraced, that feeling of ‘I think I know where this is going.’”
6. Bringing Walt to justice — or not. “Of course he needs to go, and Jesse needs to pull the trigger!” “No, the cancer will return, and he’ll die alone.” “No. He’ll outsmart everyone again and go on the run.” This is the endless debate fans imagine the writers having as they attempt to answer Breaking Bad’s Most Important Question: Will Walt get away with it? Yet, Gilligan says that back-and-forth isn’t happening. “Not at all, really,” he said. “I’m very cornball in my own view of the world. It just makes sense to me that bad people should get punished and good people should be rewarded. I know it doesn’t work like that in real life, but there’s always that yearning.” But that desire for comeuppance doesn’t apply to the made-up world he’s created, even though justice may in fact be inevitable. “Oddly enough, I don’t feel any real pressure to pay off the characters, morally speaking.”
7. One final shout-out to The Godfather. One of Gilligan’s favorite ways to describe Walt’s descent is to say that he’s gone from Mr. Chips to Scarface, but there’s been far more Godfather along the way. In the mid-season finale, Walter closed the garage door in Jesse’s face, much in the same way Michael shut Kay out of his office, and his meticulously timed murder of Mike’s remaining guys echoed the Godfather’s baptism montage in which Michael eliminated his enemies. “We crib from them shamelessly,” Gilligan told me. “We’re always asking ourselves, How does this relate to The Godfather? In the finale, we may give even a more overt tip of the hat.”
8. Giving every character their due. Not counting baby Holly, the show has nine major characters left, including Walt’s new recruits Lydia and Todd. Gilligan says that that occasionally feels like “one or two too many.” “Sometimes it’s hard to give them all their due and make them all wrap up beautifully. That’s another big fear I have,” he said. One outcome that’s probably safe to assume? Saul will survive. “I like to think of Saul as a cockroach in the best possible way,” Gilligan said. “This is a guy who’s going to survive while the rest of us have been nuked into annihilation. He’ll be the worst-dressed cockroach in the world.”
9. Hank’s triumph. It took 54 episodes, but in September’s midseason finale, Hank finally locked in that his brother-in-law was Heisenberg. Hank wasn’t conceived as the man to bring Walt down; Gilligan initially said he needed a boisterous alpha-male foil for the meek meth cook. But Hank revealed himself to be if not smarter than Walt, then more doggedly persistent. And who knows if he’ll really get to take down Heinsenberg, but the playing field has been leveled. “We discovered Hank is very, very good at his job,” Gilligan said. “You know, I love the TV show Columbo. Hank is like a postmodern shout-out to Columbo.”
10. Finality. There will be no Breaking Bad movie. Episode 62 is it, folks. How many ways can Gilligan say it? “Rightly or wrongly, there will be a conclusive ending,” he told me. “Our story from the beginning has been designed to be close-ended. It’s very much designed to have a beginning, middle, and end and then to exist no more.”
Maybe reading too much into it, but we saw Michael Corleone's life collapse with the murder of one of his children right before his eyes. He dies, alone, and full of regret. These next two weeks are going to be torturous!
“We’re not gonna please everyone, we’re not gonna please everyone … This is what I keep telling myself so I can sleep at night,” Vince Gilligan laughed last month, even though he wasn’t exactly joking. When he spoke to Vulture, he was putting the finishing touches on the story for the third to last episode, getting very close to tackling the series finale (the show’s last stretch of eight episodes airs on AMC later this year). The writers room had gotten “a little schizophrenic,” said Gilligan: They’ve been taking twice as long as normal, or about three and a half weeks, to break each of these concluding episodes, and rather than building from the ground up, they’ve had to do a little reverse-engineering to arrive where they must by the end. All of which is to say, he’s more frazzled than usual, anxiously working to tie things up beautifully. “It’s going to be polarizing no matter how you slice it,” Gilligan said, “but you don’t want 10 percent to say it was great and 90 percent to say it sucked ###. You want those numbers to be reversed.” Without giving anything away (would anyone really want that?), he took some time to download ten things on his mind as he heads into the homestretch.
1. The evolution of Walt’s fate. The metamorphosis of the sweet but sickly chemistry teacher into totally corrupted drug kingpin has made Walter White one of the most dynamic characters on TV, and just as he’s changed through the seasons, so too has Gilligan’s idea of how his saga would end. “I had this strange confidence in the beginning that I had an idea [for the ending] that was sound,” he said of Walt’s fate. “But I look back at the life of the series and realize I cycled through so many possible endings, it would be disingenuous to say I had always had it figured out. It has evolved in the last five years and probably has some evolving left to do.” He’s planted flags along the way to help steer the direction but still reserves the right to change course, even with two episodes left to go. “I read interviews with showrunners all the time who say, ‘I know exactly where this thing is headed.’ I always find that very interesting, and I don’t doubt them for a minute. It’s just I can’t see my way clear to do that because the characters in Breaking Bad are in a state of constant change by design,” he said. “When a character will be a different person five or six or ten or sixteen episodes from now, it’s hard to predict the future.”
2. How Casablanca got it exactly right. In terms of nailing the end, Gilligan says he and the writers don’t talk about TV — they talk movies. And for him, Casablanca remains “pretty perfect.” “No one gets everything they wanted. The guy doesn’t get the girl, but he has the satisfaction of knowing she wants him. And he doesn’t get her because he has to save the free world. What better ending is there than that?” Gilligan said. “I’m not saying we’re going to approach that or reach in that direction. Our story doesn’t line up [with Casablanca]. But we’re looking for that kind of satisfaction.”
3. His time on The X Files. Gilligan was still on the staff of The X Files when the sci-fi series reached its highly anticipated finale, but as a self-described “monster-of-the-week” guy, he says he never had to worry about making sure the conspiracies were synching. (He wrote the show’s penultimate episode “Sunshine Days,” set in The Brady Bunch house, and it had nothing to do with any of the overarching story lines.) “I sort of watched from afar as Chris Carter and Frank Spotnitz broke these mythology episodes, and they always made my head hurt like, Man, how do you link this and that? Then, of course, I wind up on this insanely hyperserialized show. I should have paid more attention back then.”
4. Going back to the pilot. Ah, yes, Walt in his skivvies. The writers have spent a lot of time going back over that first episode, which began with Walt’s 50th-birthday party and the discovery that he had cancer, and ended with his partnership with small-time dealer Jesse Pinkman, concocting the sweetest meth and killing a pair of dealers after his recipe. “Are there echoes of the beginning that we should have in the end? There’s a certain kind of circularity that might be pleasing,” Gilligan said. “We think a lot about that, in fact.”
5. Henry Mancini. Gilligan recently read an old interview with the composer in which he was asked about the type of music he liked. Mancini said he liked best the ones that built in a feeling of inevitability. “He said something like, and I’m paraphrasing here, ‘I think the best music compositions are the ones that surprise you in moments, but in others, you feel like you know where you’re going, and there’s this feeling of satisfaction that derives from that inevitability. In a sense, inevitability, realized,’” Gilligan said. “That really stuck with me because that’s what I think we do on this show. We try to have a surprise around every corner but inevitability as well. The opposite of surprise. It’s something that I feel should and will be an important component to the end of the series. To me, that is an interesting thing and a thing to be embraced, that feeling of ‘I think I know where this is going.’”
6. Bringing Walt to justice — or not. “Of course he needs to go, and Jesse needs to pull the trigger!” “No, the cancer will return, and he’ll die alone.” “No. He’ll outsmart everyone again and go on the run.” This is the endless debate fans imagine the writers having as they attempt to answer Breaking Bad’s Most Important Question: Will Walt get away with it? Yet, Gilligan says that back-and-forth isn’t happening. “Not at all, really,” he said. “I’m very cornball in my own view of the world. It just makes sense to me that bad people should get punished and good people should be rewarded. I know it doesn’t work like that in real life, but there’s always that yearning.” But that desire for comeuppance doesn’t apply to the made-up world he’s created, even though justice may in fact be inevitable. “Oddly enough, I don’t feel any real pressure to pay off the characters, morally speaking.”
7. One final shout-out to The Godfather. One of Gilligan’s favorite ways to describe Walt’s descent is to say that he’s gone from Mr. Chips to Scarface, but there’s been far more Godfather along the way. In the mid-season finale, Walter closed the garage door in Jesse’s face, much in the same way Michael shut Kay out of his office, and his meticulously timed murder of Mike’s remaining guys echoed the Godfather’s baptism montage in which Michael eliminated his enemies. “We crib from them shamelessly,” Gilligan told me. “We’re always asking ourselves, How does this relate to The Godfather? In the finale, we may give even a more overt tip of the hat.”
8. Giving every character their due. Not counting baby Holly, the show has nine major characters left, including Walt’s new recruits Lydia and Todd. Gilligan says that that occasionally feels like “one or two too many.” “Sometimes it’s hard to give them all their due and make them all wrap up beautifully. That’s another big fear I have,” he said. One outcome that’s probably safe to assume? Saul will survive. “I like to think of Saul as a cockroach in the best possible way,” Gilligan said. “This is a guy who’s going to survive while the rest of us have been nuked into annihilation. He’ll be the worst-dressed cockroach in the world.”
9. Hank’s triumph. It took 54 episodes, but in September’s midseason finale, Hank finally locked in that his brother-in-law was Heisenberg. Hank wasn’t conceived as the man to bring Walt down; Gilligan initially said he needed a boisterous alpha-male foil for the meek meth cook. But Hank revealed himself to be if not smarter than Walt, then more doggedly persistent. And who knows if he’ll really get to take down Heinsenberg, but the playing field has been leveled. “We discovered Hank is very, very good at his job,” Gilligan said. “You know, I love the TV show Columbo. Hank is like a postmodern shout-out to Columbo.”
10. Finality. There will be no Breaking Bad movie. Episode 62 is it, folks. How many ways can Gilligan say it? “Rightly or wrongly, there will be a conclusive ending,” he told me. “Our story from the beginning has been designed to be close-ended. It’s very much designed to have a beginning, middle, and end and then to exist no more.”
Maybe reading too much into it, but we saw Michael Corleone's life collapse with the murder of one of his children right before his eyes. He dies, alone, and full of regret. These next two weeks are going to be torturous!
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
They did a great job with the start of that scene. The phone is sitting on the counter. She is looking at it.....oops knife.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Revenge on the Nazi's what?I had "rescues" in quotes. Part of the rescue is taking revenge on the Nazi's.He rescues him only to kill him horribly?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The Shield already did that. Can't imagine VG would be so derivative.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I guess they dont sell cigarettes in New Hampshire that he can easily place it in
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I dig that Isaac didn't beg for his life. Man's man. 
packersfan
Footballguy
I never watched that show but that's good to know. I agree Gilligan will likely come up with something completely original.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
We got a new bed yesterday. Wife went out today to buy new pillows, sheets, comforter etc
Just now she sends me a pic of the bed all made up with the new stuff...it's all purple or purplish.
She captions it with "In honor of Hank. RIP"
Just now she sends me a pic of the bed all made up with the new stuff...it's all purple or purplish.
She captions it with "In honor of Hank. RIP"
Zow
Footballguy
My first thought when I saw Gomez dead was "thank God please will now stop claiming he's the "mole").
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
People just keep saying "the ricin cigarette" like that's what Walt got from the house. He got ricin. It's not in cigarette form, nor was it ever going to be smoked. It was just hidden in it, while still in a glass vile that would not have allowed any burning ricin to be inhaled. I'm not even sure ricin will kill you once it's on fire (probably, but I have no clue).
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
badmojo1006
Footballguy
Exactly, I couldn't decide whether she was going for the Phone to call the police or grab a knife and slit Walt's throat
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Another quote from Gilligan on the finale, given to NYMag
In my mind, the ending is a victory for Walt. You might see the episode and say, “What the #### was he talking about?” But it’s a somewhat happy ending, in my estimation.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
When Walt was rolling the barrel, anyone else see his pants from the pilot on the foreground:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUQdYjhCMAA68z5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUQdYjhCMAA68z5.jpg
badmojo1006
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Major
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Zow
Footballguy
Yeah, I really dig how they basically fast-forward through the presumably intense moments.
1. Jesse getting tortured? Saw none of it. But know it was bad.
2. Walt likely seeing his daughter for the last time? We got no goodbyes, just flashing red light and a note.
3. The family telling Flynn? Scene starts with him denying. We didn't get to see the painful way they told him.
4. Walt having to agree to Saul that he was never coming back or contacting anyone? we just see him get into the mini-van.
I think this all really says something for the show that it doesn't have to play up it's most intense moments to be great.
Everyone likes to speculate even though we're always wrong but here's my shot:
The conversation we hear in the preview to next week with Saul is actually a flashback of a conversation they have before he makes the call to Skyler. When Saul is talking about 'going after her', he's talking about the DEA and how Walt has to take all the blame to take the pressure off of Skyler.
The family, including Marie are put into witness protection. Walt is off in NH with his new life but isn't able to get legit cancer treatments because the feds are monitoring cancer treatment centers knowing that's the only way to find him.
The Heisenberg part of Walt died when his family refused to leave with him. He knows that his family will never come back to him and that they are hopefully are safe in witness protection. Walt looks back on everything that he has done and sees that it's for nothing. He's destroyed his family and the lives of countless others.
Walt hears that the blue meth is still out there and knows that means that Jesse is still alive and being forced to cook. Walt's last effort to redeem himself for everything that he's done is to return to New Mexico and destroy the legacy that he loved so much and also to free. He wants to wipe blue meth completely off the map and knows that he has to kill the Nazi's and also Lydia as they are the only people responsible for it still being out there. He's doing it not because of his ego but because he thinks it's the only thing left.
Walt's plan is to kill the Nazi's with the machine gun and then poison Lydia. He uses to Todd to find out where they are cooking and comes in and manages to fight off the nazis and free Jesse but not before they call for backup. Walt gets ready for the final showdown and thinks that Jesse will be by his side fighting. Jesse instead kills Walt but not before telling him that he'd rather be imprisoned as a meth cook for 50 more years than to see him take another breath.
The conversation we hear in the preview to next week with Saul is actually a flashback of a conversation they have before he makes the call to Skyler. When Saul is talking about 'going after her', he's talking about the DEA and how Walt has to take all the blame to take the pressure off of Skyler.
The family, including Marie are put into witness protection. Walt is off in NH with his new life but isn't able to get legit cancer treatments because the feds are monitoring cancer treatment centers knowing that's the only way to find him.
The Heisenberg part of Walt died when his family refused to leave with him. He knows that his family will never come back to him and that they are hopefully are safe in witness protection. Walt looks back on everything that he has done and sees that it's for nothing. He's destroyed his family and the lives of countless others.
Walt hears that the blue meth is still out there and knows that means that Jesse is still alive and being forced to cook. Walt's last effort to redeem himself for everything that he's done is to return to New Mexico and destroy the legacy that he loved so much and also to free. He wants to wipe blue meth completely off the map and knows that he has to kill the Nazi's and also Lydia as they are the only people responsible for it still being out there. He's doing it not because of his ego but because he thinks it's the only thing left.
Walt's plan is to kill the Nazi's with the machine gun and then poison Lydia. He uses to Todd to find out where they are cooking and comes in and manages to fight off the nazis and free Jesse but not before they call for backup. Walt gets ready for the final showdown and thinks that Jesse will be by his side fighting. Jesse instead kills Walt but not before telling him that he'd rather be imprisoned as a meth cook for 50 more years than to see him take another breath.
badmojo1006
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