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SacramentoBob said:
The biggest unresolved loose end of the series is not finding out what happened to Ted Beneke.
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we know what happened. he tripped in his house, ended up crippled in the hospital and all but begged for his life when skyler came to visit him. he was out of the picture at that point.

 
tommyboy said:
did you had to suspend disbelief when Gus walked out of the old folks home with half his face blow off? When they got the train to stop exactly in the one spot they could extract methylamine out of? When a HS chemistry teacher decided to be a meth king?

this is like watching monkeys fight over the last banana
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Or how about the fact that a 50 year old, p-whipped nerd of man with terminal cancer, was able to develop the most powerful drug machine known to man, with a drugged up moron of a partner? Everybody ok with that?

Great show. Great ending. Enjoy it People.

 
Baby Blue has always been a great song. But it will now be forever associated in my mind with the the best scene of the best finale of the best show of all time.

 
Ghost Rider said:
RevDawg said:
Was the Jesse carpentry scene a dream or a flash forward?
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I think he was remembering that moment. Remember that he said in group therapy that he traded something he was proud of (the wooden box) for an ounce of weed or something like that.
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Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
RevDawg said:
Was the Jesse carpentry scene a dream or a flash forward?
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Jesse at one time loved to do woodwork but sold his prize creation a wooden box for some weed, him recollecting that while being held prisoner, forced to make meth in a pit shows his regret.
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I had forgotten that. Thanks, guys.

 
comfortably numb said:
So...

All over. What was your favorite scene?

I think I still loved the "I am the one who knocks" scene.
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i have two. first, the bathtub scene in episode #3 when the half decomposed body crashes through the ceiling. priceless.

but i think #1 would be the confession DVD and hank/marie's slack-jawed disbelief at what they were watching. walt had iron #### to make that video.

 
OK, serious question:

When the cops get there, what do they think happened? No way they took a look around and go, "Welp. I guess this all explains everything."

 
Gilligan explained that the reason Walt placed his watch (the one Jesse gave him for his 51st birthday) on top of the payphone after pretending to be the New York Times reporter was only retrofitted symbolism: The reason he had to do it was because they realized that in the flash-forward of him at Denny’s that they’d shot for episode 501, Walt wasn’t wearing a watch, so they had to explain where it went for continuity reasons. And so, out of necessity, they came up with what Gilligan called the “artsy fartsy” reason: It was a symbol of Walt, seeing the end is near, cutting ties with one of his “arch-nemeses,” Jesse.

 
Spartans Rule said:
RevDawg said:
Was the Jesse carpentry scene a dream or a flash forward?
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I thought of it as a flash forward. I thought he looked older in that scene. I really don't know though.
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I thought it was a dream rather than a flash forward. I thought his clothes got caught on something in that sequence, and then switched to his chain being caught to snap things back to reality. But I could be misremembering.

 
After watching it again and sleeping on it, I withdraw most of my complaints.

I was pretty hammered last night and in that state I can sometimes lash out at those I care about the most. I'm sorry, Breaking Bad. I love you. :wub:

 
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
RevDawg said:
Was the Jesse carpentry scene a dream or a flash forward?
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Jesse at one time loved to do woodwork but sold his prize creation a wooden box for some weed, him recollecting that while being held prisoner, forced to make meth in a pit shows his regret.
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Not just his prize creation, didn't he make it for his mom?

 
The scene where Walt gets the ricin and stops where his living room was to reflect (With Hank etc) was amazing as well. That scene hits so hard the second time watching the finale.

 
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TheIronSheik said:
OK, serious question:

When the cops get there, what do they think happened? No way they took a look around and go, "Welp. I guess this all explains everything."
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You are trying very, very hard. Please stop.

 
There was one scene cut from the finale script for budget and time reasons. It took place after Walt makes the call in which he pretends he’s the Times reporter. In it, a former student of Walt recognizes him. Walt pays him off and threatens him to make sure he doesn’t rat him out. But before leaving the former student, he asks, “What kind of teacher was I?” The former student replies, “You were good” and then says he remembered the time Walt sprayed different chemicals at a flame and it made different colors. (These excised scenes from the script will be on the final DVD set, said Gilligan.)

 
Psychopav said:
Flying Spaghetti Monster said:
RevDawg said:
Was the Jesse carpentry scene a dream or a flash forward?
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Jesse at one time loved to do woodwork but sold his prize creation a wooden box for some weed, him recollecting that while being held prisoner, forced to make meth in a pit shows his regret.
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Not just his prize creation, didn't he make it for his mom?
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Not really:

Jesse Pinkman: I took this vo-tech class in high school, woodworking. I took a lot of vo-tech classes, because it was just big jerk-off, but this one time I had this teacher by the name of... Mr... Mr. Pike. I guess he was like a Marine or something before he got old. He was hard hearing. My project for his class was to make this wooden box. You know, like a small, just like a... like a box, you know, to put stuff in. So I wanted to get the thing done as fast as possible. I figured I could cut classes for the rest of the semester and he couldn't flunk me as long as I, you know, made the thing. So I finished it in a couple days. And it looked pretty lame, but it worked. You know, for putting in or whatnot. So when I showed it to Mr. Pike for my grade, he looked at it and said: "Is that the best you can do?" At first I thought to myself "Hell yeah, #####. Now give me a D and shut up so I can go blaze one with my boys." I don't know. Maybe it was the way he said it, but... it was like he wasn't exactly saying it sucked. He was just asking me honestly, "Is that all you got?" And for some reason, I thought to myself: "Yeah, man, I can do better." So I started from scratch. I made another, then another. And by the end of the semester, by like box number five, I had built this thing. You should have seen it. It was insane. I mean, I built it out of Peruvian walnut with inlaid zebrawood. It was fitted with pegas, no screws. I sanded it for days, until it was smooth as glass. Then I rubbed all the wood with tung oil so it was rich and dark. It even smelled good. You know, you put nose in it and breathed in, it was... it was perfect.

Group Leader: What happened to the box?

Jesse Pinkman: I... I gave it to my mom.

Group Leader: Nice. You know what I'm gonna say, don't you? It's never too late. They have art co-ops that offer classes, adult extension program at the University.

Jesse Pinkman: You know, I didn't give the box to my mom. I traded it for an ounce of weed.

 
packersfan said:
Zow said:
jamny said:
I like that Walt dying in the meth lab gives Jesse more time to run. The cops will think it was Walt putting out the blue still.
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Exactly. As bad as Walt was, he did a great job protecting people at the end.
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That was one of the things that made Walt such a fascinating character. Despite all the horrible things he did, there was always a glimmer of goodness still there. Even at his worst, it never completely went away.
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I think this is an interesting point. Walt always had a moral code. So far as I know, everyone who Walt killed or had killed deserved it in some manner (even Gale, because Gale was involved in drug selling.) The one exception might be Brock, but Walt did not kill Brock. Even Jane could be justified because she chose her lifestyle.

Not saying this would be my own moral code, but at least there is a level of consistency. Who's death did Walt object to? Hank's, because Hank was innocent.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Zow said:
jamny said:
I like that Walt dying in the meth lab gives Jesse more time to run. The cops will think it was Walt putting out the blue still.
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Exactly. As bad as Walt was, he did a great job protecting people at the end.
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Well, this protected Jesse, but also was to make sure everybody knew the blue was still HIS.
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Everything about this show is perfect.

 
One thing I havent seen commented on anywhere: Walt has just killed everyone in his family (literal, figurative) and Todd still looks out the window and starts his next sentence with respect, "Mr. White..." before getting choked out. Had me :lmao:

 
timschochet said:
Limp Ditka said:
timschochet said:
Limp Ditka said:
SacramentoBob said:
mad sweeney said:
cstu said:
Rohn Jambo said:
Premier said:
cstu said:
I never expected Gilligan to make it all work out for Walt. Sure he goes down as a horrible person but in the long run Walt Jr. will appreciate what he did for him and presumably he and his sister will be taken care of forever.
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Walt Jr will never appreciate him. Are you kidding?
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It's okay. Walt's real his son Jesse appreciated him. Just like Walt's the only one who appreciated Jesse's woodworking shine box.
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In a strange way Mr. White was the best thing to ever happen to Jesse. Had he got involved with him he likely would have been a loser his entire life. Despite what he went through with Walt it changed him for the better.
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What?! He's penniless and wanted, with two murders directly under his belt and two girlfriends in a row dead because of him. He'd be way better off dead and living may not be worth it for him Post-Mr White
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Why would Jesse be wanted? Everyone who knew is dead.
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We don't know what happens at the site. Do they find the DVD confession? Do the authorities go as far in their investigation to find his fingerprints on the lab equipment?

lots of reasons for Jesse to end up wanted
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Jesse got into his car, and drove off laughing. That's it. End of story. You don't need to worry about what happens to Jesse after that, because that is the END.
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The end of Jesse's story is when he's in a grave. That obviously didn't happen. This was the end of Walt's story.
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Disagree. We will never see Jesse Pinkman's character again (per Vince Gilligan). Therefore, his story is over.
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Never say never.

 
Abraham said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
The scene where Walt gets the ricin and stops where his living room was to reflect (With Hank etc) was amazing as well. That scene hits so hard the second time watching the finale.
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Yup. The flashback to Hank in the living room was very sad.
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That was a very powerful scene.

So sad.

Hank saying easy money....maybe you can come along for ride, get some excitement in your life.

 
Limp Ditka said:
It's not natural to wonder/speculate if the money got to the family?It's not natural to wonder/speculate if Skyler handing over the location of Honk and Gommy to the DEA gets her off the hook?

It's not natural to wonder/speculate what happened to Brock?
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I think my only real gripe with the ending is that we've always seen Walt's grand plans, and then, how they backfire on him. The ending felt a bit off in that it seems like everything wrapped up nice for Walt, and he "won", even "beat cancer" and went out on his own terms... and, based on watching how the show's been in the past, I'm still left waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 
timschochet said:
packersfan said:
Zow said:
jamny said:
I like that Walt dying in the meth lab gives Jesse more time to run. The cops will think it was Walt putting out the blue still.
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Exactly. As bad as Walt was, he did a great job protecting people at the end.
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That was one of the things that made Walt such a fascinating character. Despite all the horrible things he did, there was always a glimmer of goodness still there. Even at his worst, it never completely went away.
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I think this is an interesting point. Walt always had a moral code. So far as I know, everyone who Walt killed or had killed deserved it in some manner (even Gale, because Gale was involved in drug selling.) The one exception might be Brock, but Walt did not kill Brock. Even Jane could be justified because she chose her lifestyle.

Not saying this would be my own moral code, but at least there is a level of consistency. Who's death did Walt object to? Hank's, because Hank was innocent.
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Hank was also family. I think that's one of the reasons why Walt cared so much for Jesse. He viewed him as family too. He was connected to Walt in a way Walt Jr. never could be.

 
Abraham said:
One thing I havent seen commented on anywhere: Walt has just killed everyone in his family (literal, figurative) and Todd still looks out the window and starts his next sentence with respect, "Mr. White..." before getting choked out. Had me :lmao:
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Todd hadn't yet realized Walt was responsible. The gun was inside the trunk and not visible from the window, so Todd hadn't yet put it together that Walt brought it in.

 
Sarnoff said:
Limp Ditka said:
It's not natural to wonder/speculate if the money got to the family?It's not natural to wonder/speculate if Skyler handing over the location of Honk and Gommy to the DEA gets her off the hook?

It's not natural to wonder/speculate what happened to Brock?
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I think my only real gripe with the ending is that we've always seen Walt's grand plans, and then, how they backfire on him. The ending felt a bit off in that it seems like everything wrapped up nice for Walt, and he "won", even "beat cancer" and went out on his own terms... and, based on watching how the show's been in the past, I'm still left waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Because finally Walt came to terms with his reality.

 
Sarnoff said:
Limp Ditka said:
It's not natural to wonder/speculate if the money got to the family?It's not natural to wonder/speculate if Skyler handing over the location of Honk and Gommy to the DEA gets her off the hook?

It's not natural to wonder/speculate what happened to Brock?
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I think my only real gripe with the ending is that we've always seen Walt's grand plans, and then, how they backfire on him. The ending felt a bit off in that it seems like everything wrapped up nice for Walt, and he "won", even "beat cancer" and went out on his own terms... and, based on watching how the show's been in the past, I'm still left waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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I half expected Walt to just get shot in the head by the Neo-Nazis without a chance to set off his machine gun.

 
The scenes that stand out most for me are when the cousins were involved. Crawling on the ground toward the little chapel, crossing into the border on the hay truck, waiting for Walt to get out of the shower, and of course the end of One Minute. Those guys were such great villains!

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
For all the talk about the finale being "too tidy" my only (very small) issue is that I think that the ambiguity of Jesse's ending is cheating a little bit. In some ways, it's definitive enough. Whatever happens to Jesse. Jail, life as a fugitive, whatever, it's going to be better than being a meth slave to a bunch of psychopaths. And Jesse's future is largely in his hands.

But the show went to great pains in seasons 3 and 4 to ask the question whether someone can ever forgive himself for certain things (the scenes with Jere Burns). The show deliberately never addresses that (possibly, I'd argue, because it's a question that Vince doesn't know the answer to).
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It appeared to me that him having that detailed dream about making a box was to show that he'd forgiven himself and was ready to live his life.

 
comfortably numb said:
Abraham said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
The scene where Walt gets the ricin and stops where his living room was to reflect (With Hank etc) was amazing as well. That scene hits so hard the second time watching the finale.
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Yup. The flashback to Hank in the living room was very sad.
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That was a very powerful scene.

So sad.

Hank saying easy money....maybe you can come along for ride, get some excitement in your life.
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It was Hank yanking his p-whipping brother in law's chain. People tend to forget what an ##### Hank was at times earlier in the series.

 
Sarnoff said:
Limp Ditka said:
It's not natural to wonder/speculate if the money got to the family?It's not natural to wonder/speculate if Skyler handing over the location of Honk and Gommy to the DEA gets her off the hook?

It's not natural to wonder/speculate what happened to Brock?
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I think my only real gripe with the ending is that we've always seen Walt's grand plans, and then, how they backfire on him. The ending felt a bit off in that it seems like everything wrapped up nice for Walt, and he "won", even "beat cancer" and went out on his own terms... and, based on watching how the show's been in the past, I'm still left waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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Same here. Seems like Gilligan went with that ending to appease the masses.

 
Slapdash said:
Sarnoff said:
Limp Ditka said:
It's not natural to wonder/speculate if the money got to the family?It's not natural to wonder/speculate if Skyler handing over the location of Honk and Gommy to the DEA gets her off the hook?

It's not natural to wonder/speculate what happened to Brock?
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I think my only real gripe with the ending is that we've always seen Walt's grand plans, and then, how they backfire on him. The ending felt a bit off in that it seems like everything wrapped up nice for Walt, and he "won", even "beat cancer" and went out on his own terms... and, based on watching how the show's been in the past, I'm still left waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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I half expected Walt to just get shot in the head by the Neo-Nazis without a chance to set off his machine gun.
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Or that the bullets don't make it through the rebar enforced concrete. Machine gun goes off for 30 seconds and everyone is still standing around looking at Walt.

 
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