Brett Favre (1 Viewer)

[kensat30]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

 

[packersfan]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

I disagree. Driver is a legit No. 1. But there's no question a Walker-Driver combo would be sensational. Of course, if the Packers had drafted Chris Chambers instead of Robert Ferguson as they should have, they could have had a Walker-Chambers-Driver trio. Good luck with defenses trying to defend that.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Agree to disagree. You can't just have "one good game" to win a Super Bowl MVP. You have to lead your team to the playoffs. Lead your team through the playoffs. Then play a great game in the biggest game. Give me a QB with 3 Super Bowl MVPs over the guy with 3 regular season MVPs every day. As a fan of Favre and the Packers...would you trade in Favre's 3 regular season MVPs for even ONE more Super Bowl where he was the MVP? You would. The guys I'm ranking ahead of Favre have done both (or been great in both). Manning, Montana, Elway, Unitas...they have "3 MVPs" too. I'm not ranking Kurt Warner and Doug Williams ahead of him here. It's the whole picture. Not one aspect.

Your point is valid...but flawed in that of course a fan would rather have another SB...and so would a player.But when talking about how good a player was...he was great for 3 seasons...not just great, but what people considered the most valueable player in the league over 16 games.And QBs can have bad games yet still advance to the Super Bowl where they do have the really good game to win it all and the MVP.

I think you're looking at the Super Bowl MVP vs. Regular Season MVP in a vacuum instead of in context with the players we're discussing. I'm not comparing Phil Simms to Peyton Manning. I'm comparing the all-time greats and nit-picking my way to a subjective ranking. These guys we're trying to choose between were all great players. The things that separate them are playoff performance, regular season performance, Super Bowl wins, MVPs...they all have marks in all the categories. You've got to weigh the categories to make a choice. I think there are 6 or 7 guys that have a better overall resume than Favre. Montana's 2 Regular Season MVPs and 3 Super Bowl MVPs rank ahead of Favre's 3 regular season MVPs. By quite a wide margin in my opinion.

 

[sho nuff]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

Driver proves year in and year out that he is a #1. What more does the guy have to do?He is not a big play stretch the field WR. But he is a #1. Along the lines of a Hines Ward type of WR. #1 WRs do not have to be the prototypical 6'5" guy who get the 80 yard bombs.

 

[sho nuff]

Agree to disagree. You can't just have "one good game" to win a Super Bowl MVP. You have to lead your team to the playoffs. Lead your team through the playoffs. Then play a great game in the biggest game. Give me a QB with 3 Super Bowl MVPs over the guy with 3 regular season MVPs every day. As a fan of Favre and the Packers...would you trade in Favre's 3 regular season MVPs for even ONE more Super Bowl where he was the MVP? You would. The guys I'm ranking ahead of Favre have done both (or been great in both). Manning, Montana, Elway, Unitas...they have "3 MVPs" too. I'm not ranking Kurt Warner and Doug Williams ahead of him here. It's the whole picture. Not one aspect.

Your point is valid...but flawed in that of course a fan would rather have another SB...and so would a player.But when talking about how good a player was...he was great for 3 seasons...not just great, but what people considered the most valueable player in the league over 16 games.And QBs can have bad games yet still advance to the Super Bowl where they do have the really good game to win it all and the MVP.

I think you're looking at the Super Bowl MVP vs. Regular Season MVP in a vacuum instead of in context with the players we're discussing. I'm not comparing Phil Simms to Peyton Manning. I'm comparing the all-time greats and nit-picking my way to a subjective ranking. These guys we're trying to choose between were all great players. The things that separate them are playoff performance, regular season performance, Super Bowl wins, MVPs...they all have marks in all the categories. You've got to weigh the categories to make a choice. I think there are 6 or 7 guys that have a better overall resume than Favre. Montana's 2 Regular Season MVPs and 3 Super Bowl MVPs rank ahead of Favre's 3 regular season MVPs. By quite a wide margin in my opinion.

Ive got Montana #1. IMO...the top 5 after that gets cloudy and cases can be made for so many guys (two who are still playing now with Brady and Manning). Then you have Elway, Favre, Unitas, Marino, Young....Though, either way...all of those guys are great great QBs...I think we can all agree about that.

 

[packersfan]

If people are going to place a strong emphasis on the "winning is everything" belief than I don't see any way to keep Starr out of the Top 5 and you can make the argument that he should be no lower than Top 3.

 

[Tough As Nails]

Agree to disagree. You can't just have "one good game" to win a Super Bowl MVP. You have to lead your team to the playoffs. Lead your team through the playoffs. Then play a great game in the biggest game. Give me a QB with 3 Super Bowl MVPs over the guy with 3 regular season MVPs every day. As a fan of Favre and the Packers...would you trade in Favre's 3 regular season MVPs for even ONE more Super Bowl where he was the MVP? You would. The guys I'm ranking ahead of Favre have done both (or been great in both). Manning, Montana, Elway, Unitas...they have "3 MVPs" too. I'm not ranking Kurt Warner and Doug Williams ahead of him here. It's the whole picture. Not one aspect.

Your point is valid...but flawed in that of course a fan would rather have another SB...and so would a player.But when talking about how good a player was...he was great for 3 seasons...not just great, but what people considered the most valueable player in the league over 16 games.And QBs can have bad games yet still advance to the Super Bowl where they do have the really good game to win it all and the MVP.

I think you're looking at the Super Bowl MVP vs. Regular Season MVP in a vacuum instead of in context with the players we're discussing. I'm not comparing Phil Simms to Peyton Manning. I'm comparing the all-time greats and nit-picking my way to a subjective ranking. These guys we're trying to choose between were all great players. The things that separate them are playoff performance, regular season performance, Super Bowl wins, MVPs...they all have marks in all the categories. You've got to weigh the categories to make a choice. I think there are 6 or 7 guys that have a better overall resume than Favre. Montana's 2 Regular Season MVPs and 3 Super Bowl MVPs rank ahead of Favre's 3 regular season MVPs. By quite a wide margin in my opinion.

Ive got Montana #1. IMO...the top 5 after that gets cloudy and cases can be made for so many guys (two who are still playing now with Brady and Manning). Then you have Elway, Favre, Unitas, Marino, Young....Though, either way...all of those guys are great great QBs...I think we can all agree about that.

Agreed. Like I said earlier...if you want to put Favre at #3, I don't have much of an issue with it. I'll argue about it just because it's fun...but you wouldn't really be 'wrong'. Putting him at #1 and saying it's a slam dunk (like HK did earlier in the thread) is where I start pulling out the homer calls and biases.

 

[Tough As Nails]

If people are going to place a strong emphasis on the "winning is everything" belief than I don't see any way to keep Starr out of the Top 5 and you can make the argument that he should be no lower than Top 3.

Argue away. Give me your top 10. Who do you have higher on your all-time list: Favre or Starr?

 

[a_rackowski]

The three time MVP may be the come back player of the year. After all, with so many actually considering him dead and done his accomplishments thus far this year are amazing.

Comeback player of the year? How about 4 time MVP? He just keeps doing it with guys nobody else wants. Now its James Jones and 7th round pick Donald Driver. Ruvell Martin, Carlile Holiday, Mark Chumura, Robert Brooks, Ferguson, Donald LeeNot even Ted Thompson can stop him.

 

[packersfan]

If people are going to place a strong emphasis on the "winning is everything" belief than I don't see any way to keep Starr out of the Top 5 and you can make the argument that he should be no lower than Top 3.

Argue away. Give me your top 10. Who do you have higher on your all-time list: Favre or Starr?

Favre. I think Starr is very under-rated but I wouldn't rank him several above other QBs who won less. And that's my point - the "winning is everything" belief is too narrow. Starr has countless number of titles and Marino has none. Who would you or most people rank as the superior QB? I'm sure they'd say Marino, but if you go by the "winning is everything" belief which Jaworski and others have cited than you absolutely have to rank Starr above Marino and above just about everyone else not named Montana.My list would be something like:1. Montana2. Unitas3. Brady4. Elway5. Favre6. Manning7. Marino8. Aikman9. Starr10. Young

 

[Tough As Nails]

The three time MVP may be the come back player of the year. After all, with so many actually considering him dead and done his accomplishments thus far this year are amazing.

Comeback player of the year? How about 4 time MVP? He just keeps doing it with guys nobody else wants. Now its James Jones and 7th round pick Donald Driver. Ruvell Martin, Carlile Holiday, Mark Chumura, Robert Brooks, Ferguson, Donald LeeNot even Ted Thompson can stop him.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. So a guy who's 15th in passer rating and 13th in yards and 10th in TDs and plays for a team being carried by the defense is in the discussion for MVP now? Matt Schaub has a better case then Favre at this point. Wow.

 

[Tough As Nails]

If people are going to place a strong emphasis on the "winning is everything" belief than I don't see any way to keep Starr out of the Top 5 and you can make the argument that he should be no lower than Top 3.

Argue away. Give me your top 10. Who do you have higher on your all-time list: Favre or Starr?

Favre. I think Starr is very under-rated but I wouldn't rank him several above other QBs who won less. And that's my point - the "winning is everything" belief is too narrow. Starr has countless number of titles and Marino has none. Who would you or most people rank as the superior QB? I'm sure they'd say Marino, but if you go by the "winning is everything" belief which Jaworski and others have cited than you absolutely have to rank Starr above Marino and above just about everyone else not named Montana.My list would be something like:1. Montana2. Unitas3. Brady4. Elway5. Favre6. Manning7. Marino8. Aikman9. Starr10. Young

Good list. Very similar to mine. Top 4 are identical. Jaws didn't have Marino in his top 7 and you could certainly say that Starr played a good portion of his career before the "modern era"...so at least he stayed true to his word.

 

[Kleck.]

28/45 for 369 yards and 3 TDs. Not too bad for a washed up old man.

 

[smackdaddies]

The three time MVP may be the come back player of the year. After all, with so many actually considering him dead and done his accomplishments thus far this year are amazing.

Comeback player of the year? How about 4 time MVP? He just keeps doing it with guys nobody else wants. Now its James Jones and 7th round pick Donald Driver. Ruvell Martin, Carlile Holiday, Mark Chumura, Robert Brooks, Ferguson, Donald Lee

Not even Ted Thompson can stop him.

IR, Retired, TradedHe does however, also throw to someone named Jennings.....and sometimes Bubba

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

28/45 for 369 yards and 3 TDs. Not too bad for a washed up old man.

 

[Challenge Everything]

The three time MVP may be the come back player of the year. After all, with so many actually considering him dead and done his accomplishments thus far this year are amazing.

Comeback player of the year? How about 4 time MVP? He just keeps doing it with guys nobody else wants. Now its James Jones and 7th round pick Donald Driver. Ruvell Martin, Carlile Holiday, Mark Chumura, Robert Brooks, Ferguson, Donald Lee

Not even Ted Thompson can stop him.

IR, Retired, TradedHe does however, also throw to someone named Jennings.....and sometimes Bubba

Robert Ferguson was not traded.

 

[Perfect Tommy]

No question for me that Favre is the #1 QB of all time. Not counting the old-timers who I never saw.

Favre

Elway

Montana

Young

Marino

Manning

Montana, Young and Manning never had to carry a team the way Favre, Elway and Marino did.

Brady is ineligible for me. Bradshaw and Aikman were very good, but they benefitted from being on great teams. They are no better than players like Jim Kelly and Warren Moon.

 

[fatness]

If Green Bay had any running game at all they be quite a team this year. They have 3 good WR's finally, a QB who is getting them the ball, a decent tight end in Lee, and a decent defense. All they need is a running game.

 

[sprtbuf]

Trade those draft picks for Turner...

 

[sho nuff]

Trade those draft picks for Turner...

Can we get an Oline to go with him?

 

[sprtbuf]

Oh heck why not... Toss in a few too.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Not to rain on your parade. But as a big Giants fan, let's be real their secondary had something to do with Favre's success today.

Who cares, they are still 2-0.

Yeah, so is Detroit.

What does that have to do with Green Bay being 2-0?

Being 2-0 isn't really that big of an accomplishment. More than 1/4 of the NFL is at 2-0.Don't get me wrong here, starting out 2-0 is nice, but I wouldn't start printing out the Super Bowl or even the playoff tickets just yet.Recent history has given us no reason to believe that Green Bay is going to do much with their 2-0 start.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I think GB makes the playoffs much to the surprise of many preseason prognosticators.

 

[sho nuff]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

 

[thayman]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

 

[thayman]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

:( How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

Walker was not hurt at the time kensat30 made his post. I'm saying that with a healthey Walker/Driver/Jennings Favre's numbers would be Bradyish

 

[Softball 3:16]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

This would be impossible since trading Walker is what ultimately acquired the pick that was used to take Jennings, not to mention helping re-build the offensive line.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

:( How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

Walker was not hurt at the time kensat30 made his post. I'm saying that with a healthey Walker/Driver/Jennings Favre's numbers would be Bradyish

But Walker did get hurt and in this hypothetical situation he wouldn't be in position to help Favre.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

This would be impossible since trading Walker is what ultimately acquired the pick that was used to take Jennings, not to mention helping re-build the offensive line.

:(

 

[thayman]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

Walker was not hurt at the time kensat30 made his post. I'm saying that with a healthey Walker/Driver/Jennings Favre's numbers would be Bradyish

But Walker did get hurt and in this hypothetical situation he wouldn't be in position to help Favre.

hypothetically you can not assertain that Walker would have gotten injured if he was in Green Bay instead of Denver.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

Walker was not hurt at the time kensat30 made his post. I'm saying that with a healthey Walker/Driver/Jennings Favre's numbers would be Bradyish

But Walker did get hurt and in this hypothetical situation he wouldn't be in position to help Favre.

hypothetically you can not assertain that Walker would have gotten injured if he was in Green Bay instead of Denver.

It doesn't matter. The Packers did the right thing by trading Walker. Their offense is doing just fine without him not to mention their decision to let Ahman Green go.

 

[thayman]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

How would a totally gimpy Walker help Favre's numbers this year?

Walker was not hurt at the time kensat30 made his post. I'm saying that with a healthey Walker/Driver/Jennings Favre's numbers would be Bradyish

But Walker did get hurt and in this hypothetical situation he wouldn't be in position to help Favre.

hypothetically you can not assertain that Walker would have gotten injured if he was in Green Bay instead of Denver.

It doesn't matter. The Packers did the right thing by trading Walker. Their offense is doing just fine without him not to mention their decision to let Ahman Green go.

I agreed with the Walker situation. I thought they were nuts at the time to let Green go. Good call by the Packers though

 

[CletiusMaximus]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

One of the Packer beat writers made a point today (referencing R. Moss) that fans often underestimate the intangible value of being a team player. Driver is unique among elite NFL WR's in that he is seemingly completely unselfish. I think its a quality that is an extremely important part of his role on the team. Walker proved that he lacked this quality and I think it is questionable that this team would be better with him, despite the undeniable fact that, when healthy, he is significantly more talented than any current Packer WR.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Packers=Impressive

 

[BroadwayG]

Good thing I was wearing my packers pajamas during the game today.

 

[thayman]

If Favre still had Walker, he would be right up there with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as a fantasy QB. Donald Driver is not an NFL #1.

You mean the Walker whose surgically repaired knee has limited him to finishing 2 games this year?How are Favre's numbers by the way?

His numbers are outstanding. Bout would be Tom Bradyish if he had Walker/Driver/Jennings.

One of the Packer beat writers made a point today (referencing R. Moss) that fans often underestimate the intangible value of being a team player. Driver is unique among elite NFL WR's in that he is seemingly completely unselfish. I think its a quality that is an extremely important part of his role on the team. Walker proved that he lacked this quality and I think it is questionable that this team would be better with him, despite the undeniable fact that, when healthy, he is significantly more talented than any current Packer WR.

Driver is just like Harrison as far as the good quiet WR that just comes in and does his job. Driver is the Warrick Dunn of the fantasy WRs.

 

[donhaas]